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User ID: 79109678 United States 07/09/2020 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was born in America, so that makes me a native American. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77288913 United States 07/09/2020 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its for criminals: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72206100 WASHINGTON paraphrased and chopped by me - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday recognized about half of Oklahoma as Native American reservation land and overturned a tribe member's rape conviction because the location where the crime was committed should have been considered outside the reach of state criminal law. All the "kickout whitey" stuff is typical tardwash. Its only so natives dont pay taxes and can get away with more crime: Unless changes are made, tribe members who live within the boundaries would now become exempt from certain state obligations such as paying state taxes, while certain Native Americans found guilty in state courts would be able to challenge their convictions on jurisdictional grounds. The tribe also may obtain more power to regulate alcohol sales and expand casino gambling. The ruling voided McGirt's sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court This is what's happening. But you left out that McGirt is a pedo. This whole thing is over a pedo trying to get out of sentence after raping a 4-year-old girl. That filth can now be tried in Federal court when his state sentence is thrown out. Doh! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're an American Indian does this mean you have to be tried in a tribal court now if you live in these areas? What if you don't want to be tried by the tribal court? And how does the tribal court differ than a state one? I wonder if the sentences are harsher or more lenient. Stealing from the tribe might be worse than stealing from some store in the state. Hmm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74273450 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? >90% of the sexual abuse of indian woman and children is committed by whites. And that is part of the problem that will be solved. Previous to this whites who raped women or children were outside of our legal jurisdiction, and if it wasn't a federal crime they arent prosecuted. If we beat them senseless it is called a federal crime and the FBI prosecutes us.. Even if it a federal crime and they get caught trafficking Indians kids off the reservation they are not charged. The kids just disappear. Its been that way since the reservations were first thought up |
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User ID: 76731062 United States 07/09/2020 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're an American Indian does this mean you have to be tried in a tribal court now if you live in these areas? What if you don't want to be tried by the tribal court? And how does the tribal court differ than a state one? I wonder if the sentences are harsher or more lenient. Stealing from the tribe might be worse than stealing from some store in the state. Hmm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74273450 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? There's not many true reservations here like you're thinking of in places like Arizona or New Mexico. Everybody lives with each other, which is why we don't have the racial divides and inequalities here like in those places. There are large areas of tribal jurisdiction and then there's Indian owned land which is land owned by a single Indian, a family or a tribe. An example I have is there used to be a bar where we hung out (I'm white), there was some Indian land about 20 feet away. If we was going to get into a fight, we'd do it on the Indian because the regular police couldn't do nothing about it and the tribal police wouldn't care anyways Last Edited by Non AC on 07/09/2020 09:53 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its for criminals: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72206100 WASHINGTON paraphrased and chopped by me - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday recognized about half of Oklahoma as Native American reservation land and overturned a tribe member's rape conviction because the location where the crime was committed should have been considered outside the reach of state criminal law. All the "kickout whitey" stuff is typical tardwash. Its only so natives dont pay taxes and can get away with more crime: Unless changes are made, tribe members who live within the boundaries would now become exempt from certain state obligations such as paying state taxes, while certain Native Americans found guilty in state courts would be able to challenge their convictions on jurisdictional grounds. The tribe also may obtain more power to regulate alcohol sales and expand casino gambling. The ruling voided McGirt's sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court This is what's happening. But you left out that McGirt is a pedo. This whole thing is over a pedo trying to get out of sentence after raping a 4-year-old girl. That filth can now be tried in Federal court when his state sentence is thrown out. Doh! A WHITE PEDO who raped a little indian girl. Funny how things work out, aint it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74273450 United States 07/09/2020 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're an American Indian does this mean you have to be tried in a tribal court now if you live in these areas? What if you don't want to be tried by the tribal court? And how does the tribal court differ than a state one? I wonder if the sentences are harsher or more lenient. Stealing from the tribe might be worse than stealing from some store in the state. Hmm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74273450 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? >90% of the sexual abuse of indian woman and children is committed by whites. And that is part of the problem that will be solved. Previous to this whites who raped women or children were outside of our legal jurisdiction, and if it wasn't a federal crime they arent prosecuted. If we beat them senseless it is called a federal crime and the FBI prosecutes us.. Even if it a federal crime and they get caught trafficking Indians kids off the reservation they are not charged. The kids just disappear. Its been that way since the reservations were first thought up Holy shit, so you're telling me the pedo and sex trafficking was happening there too? Maybe this is all about ending that, then. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're an American Indian does this mean you have to be tried in a tribal court now if you live in these areas? What if you don't want to be tried by the tribal court? And how does the tribal court differ than a state one? I wonder if the sentences are harsher or more lenient. Stealing from the tribe might be worse than stealing from some store in the state. Hmm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74273450 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? There's not many true reservations here like you're thinking of in places like Arizona or New Mexico. There are large areas of tribal jurisdiction and then there's Indian owned land which is land owned by a single Indian, a family or a tribe. An example I have is there used to be a bar where we hung out (I'm white), there was some Indian land about 20 feet away. If we was going to get into a fight, we'd do it on the Indian because the regular police couldn't do nothing about it and the tribal police wouldn't care anyways Mutual combat is not unlawful in Indian law unless one of the combatants cheats |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76060539 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? >90% of the sexual abuse of indian woman and children is committed by whites. And that is part of the problem that will be solved. Previous to this whites who raped women or children were outside of our legal jurisdiction, and if it wasn't a federal crime they arent prosecuted. If we beat them senseless it is called a federal crime and the FBI prosecutes us.. Even if it a federal crime and they get caught trafficking Indians kids off the reservation they are not charged. The kids just disappear. Its been that way since the reservations were first thought up Holy shit, so you're telling me the pedo and sex trafficking was happening there too? Maybe this is all about ending that, then. The rape of Indian women and children by whites has been going on UNABATED BY THE LAW for over 500 years It wasn't until recently the pope said we were human, so I guess it was alright |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78938227 United States 07/09/2020 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's time we give back the Indians back their land, most whites are just squatters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69650743 the Indians need to collect all the property taxes it's their land Incorrect, you ignorant communist. My opinion is that the land belongs to those who currently occupy it. My opinion weighs greater then yours because I am your intellectual superior. Possession is 9/10 of the law. I don’t see how this can possibly be enforced. |
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User ID: 76731062 United States 07/09/2020 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its for criminals: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72206100 WASHINGTON paraphrased and chopped by me - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday recognized about half of Oklahoma as Native American reservation land and overturned a tribe member's rape conviction because the location where the crime was committed should have been considered outside the reach of state criminal law. All the "kickout whitey" stuff is typical tardwash. Its only so natives dont pay taxes and can get away with more crime: Unless changes are made, tribe members who live within the boundaries would now become exempt from certain state obligations such as paying state taxes, while certain Native Americans found guilty in state courts would be able to challenge their convictions on jurisdictional grounds. The tribe also may obtain more power to regulate alcohol sales and expand casino gambling. The ruling voided McGirt's sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court This is what's happening. But you left out that McGirt is a pedo. This whole thing is over a pedo trying to get out of sentence after raping a 4-year-old girl. That filth can now be tried in Federal court when his state sentence is thrown out. Doh! A WHITE PEDO who raped a little indian girl. Funny how things work out, aint it? Wrong, he was Indian. Don't be fooled about the white name. A lot of indians in Eastern OK have white names. they were a part of the civilized tribes that were moved from the South on the trail of tears. Some of Indians (the plains Indians) on thw western side like the Kiowa and Comanches don't considered them real Indians |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its for criminals: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72206100 WASHINGTON paraphrased and chopped by me - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday recognized about half of Oklahoma as Native American reservation land and overturned a tribe member's rape conviction because the location where the crime was committed should have been considered outside the reach of state criminal law. All the "kickout whitey" stuff is typical tardwash. Its only so natives dont pay taxes and can get away with more crime: Unless changes are made, tribe members who live within the boundaries would now become exempt from certain state obligations such as paying state taxes, while certain Native Americans found guilty in state courts would be able to challenge their convictions on jurisdictional grounds. The tribe also may obtain more power to regulate alcohol sales and expand casino gambling. The ruling voided McGirt's sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court This is what's happening. But you left out that McGirt is a pedo. This whole thing is over a pedo trying to get out of sentence after raping a 4-year-old girl. That filth can now be tried in Federal court when his state sentence is thrown out. Doh! A WHITE PEDO who raped a little indian girl. Funny how things work out, aint it? Wrong, he was Indian. Don't be fooled about the white name. A lot of indians in Eastern OK have white names. they were a part of the civilized tribes that were moved from the South on the trail of tears. Some of Indians (the plains Indians) on thw western side like the Kiowa and Comanches don't considered them real Indians PROVE IT He is a WHITE MAN. Trying to weasel out of a life sentence because he was caught raping an Indian girl off the reservation, NOT ON IT Thats what the whole thing is all about, shit for brains. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76724786 United States 07/09/2020 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the SCOTUS Ruling applies. First it only applies to what law is applied to 'Native Americans' who are 'citizens' of the 'The Muscogee (Creek) Nation in this area. www.npr.org/2020/07/09/889562040/supreme-court-rules-that-about-half-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land [link to www.npr.org (secure)] "The first is that going forward, certain major crimes committed within the boundaries of reservations must be prosecuted in federal court rather than state court, if a Native American is involved. So if a Native American is accused of a major crime in downtown Tulsa, the federal government rather than the state government will prosecute it. Less serious crimes involving Native Americans on Indian land will be handled in tribal courts. This arrangement is already common in Western states like Arizona, New Mexico and Montana, said Washburn." |
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User ID: 73153399 United States 07/09/2020 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's time we give back the Indians back their land, most whites are just squatters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69650743 the Indians need to collect all the property taxes it's their land SHiiiit you have seen the yard of a Indian have you It'll be full of junk cars and liquor bottles in no time flat. Not if their pockets are full of money and they can hire YOU to clean it up Indians live in poverty when they are given no choice. Give them a choice and equality before the law, and you'll be mowing their yards and licking their boots in ten years, because their morality and their integrity is FAR superior to yours. . We legally own most of this countries resources and we are owed for those stolen from us. Hundred of billions of dollars. You called us stupid and backwards and yet you signed away the whole country to us thinking we would be exterminated. I very highly doubt this, AC. Just about the only Native Americans these days who knows Native American cultures are the tribal elders, and they are all almost dead. Most of the younger people have wholeheartedly accepted Corruption unto their Hearts. This includes that gangsta crap too. There is no salvation nor anything good in most Native Americans' futures anymore. That right there is the crux for Native Americans as a whole across the U.S. -- the near total lack of knowledge of their own cultures. They will fall alongside what is left of America. It is quite tragic since quite alot of Native Americans once had a very beautiful and rich history. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76724786 United States 07/09/2020 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | imagine how awesome the fire works will be in the entire eastern half of Oklahoma next year... Quoting: MoonKnight everything's legal now suckas! Nope not even close. Read what i posted above The Major Crimes Act which is US Federal law will still apply to these specific 'Natives' if they commit a 'major' crime They would be tried in Federal Court The 'minor crimes' for these Natives will be tried under Tribal Court However everything else remains the same |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's time we give back the Indians back their land, most whites are just squatters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69650743 the Indians need to collect all the property taxes it's their land SHiiiit you have seen the yard of a Indian have you It'll be full of junk cars and liquor bottles in no time flat. Not if their pockets are full of money and they can hire YOU to clean it up Indians live in poverty when they are given no choice. Give them a choice and equality before the law, and you'll be mowing their yards and licking their boots in ten years, because their morality and their integrity is FAR superior to yours. . We legally own most of this countries resources and we are owed for those stolen from us. Hundred of billions of dollars. You called us stupid and backwards and yet you signed away the whole country to us thinking we would be exterminated. I very highly doubt this, AC. Just about the only Native Americans these days who knows Native American cultures are the tribal elders, and they are all almost dead. Most of the younger people have wholeheartedly accepted Corruption unto their Hearts. This includes that gangsta crap too. There is no salvation nor anything good in most Native Americans' futures anymore. That right there is the crux for Native Americans as a whole across the U.S. -- the near total lack of knowledge of their own cultures. They will fall alongside what is left of America. It is quite tragic since quite alot of Native Americans once had a very beautiful and rich history. Actually you're wrong. We have preserved and passed down our culture to 30% of the children at least. You have no distinct culture. We never really mixed with you culturally. Think about it, you're either an Indian or white man no matter what color you are, it's a matter of culture. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76437545 United States 07/09/2020 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're an American Indian does this mean you have to be tried in a tribal court now if you live in these areas? What if you don't want to be tried by the tribal court? And how does the tribal court differ than a state one? I wonder if the sentences are harsher or more lenient. Stealing from the tribe might be worse than stealing from some store in the state. Hmm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74273450 Yes, absolutely, unless it is a Federal crime. And since it is unconstitutional to apply the law inequitably, the whites will be living under our law, tried in our courts That really bites, doesnt it?. In your courts? Do you live on the reservation? What is the law like there? I hear there is a lot of abuse against women and children that is ignored, is this true? >90% of the sexual abuse of indian woman and children is committed by whites. And that is part of the problem that will be solved. Previous to this whites who raped women or children were outside of our legal jurisdiction, and if it wasn't a federal crime they arent prosecuted. If we beat them senseless it is called a federal crime and the FBI prosecutes us.. Even if it a federal crime and they get caught trafficking Indians kids off the reservation they are not charged. The kids just disappear. Its been that way since the reservations were first thought up I accept the idea that this was possible a hundred years ago but not today. Can you give a single ling to a story of what you claim? Right now I say you are a liar. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77101815 United States 07/09/2020 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Supreme Court Ruling means big changes coming to the American Indians living in Oklahoma. Surveyors are currently drawing up new zones for all there people. Residents living in the occupied zones will be receiving formal eviction notices in the near future. Moving allowances will be given to all civilians that live in the new territory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79129205 Exciting times for all american indians! Prosperity is here for you all. Lol. Who is going to force a landowner to leave? The bar owner on the reservation with a broken beer bottle? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76060539 United States 07/09/2020 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | imagine how awesome the fire works will be in the entire eastern half of Oklahoma next year... Quoting: MoonKnight everything's legal now suckas! Nope not even close. Read what i posted above The Major Crimes Act which is US Federal law will still apply to these specific 'Natives' if they commit a 'major' crime They would be tried in Federal Court The 'minor crimes' for these Natives will be tried under Tribal Court However everything else remains the same That is unconstitutional Read the 14th amendment If the law applies to indians it applies to whites, in the same manner. In other words WHITES will be tried in Indian courts for minor crimes. We already have that on Akwesasne. What this ruling says is an Indian cant be tried by the state, local, or county governments, and can only be tried by whitelaw if it is a major crime. If an Indian cant a white cant either. There is no such thing as two laws for people depending on their race in one place, that would be a clear violation of the 14th amendment We have you fuckers on the ropes |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79106639 United States 07/09/2020 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | imagine how awesome the fire works will be in the entire eastern half of Oklahoma next year... Quoting: MoonKnight everything's legal now suckas! Nope not even close. Read what i posted above The Major Crimes Act which is US Federal law will still apply to these specific 'Natives' if they commit a 'major' crime They would be tried in Federal Court The 'minor crimes' for these Natives will be tried under Tribal Court However everything else remains the same but that dont apply to fireworks. You dont have to go to the rez to get the big ones anymore you are the rez!!! party on dudes.... |