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The language we were GIVEN to use?.....heh, be circumspect of the words you say

 
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So, if "bless" is "be less", and "breach" is "be rich", and "bemoan" is "be more on", should you change your prayer with "breach/bemoan this food, our daily bread"?
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Take a shine to is an American expression circa 1830s or so. It means for whatever reason, you felt attracted or liked someone and it wasn't always romantic. It could be just being neighborly out on the prarie when some green horn showed up, but was sincerely trying to make it, but didn't know shit from shinola.

"Aw heck, I've taken a shine to 'em. I'll mentor 'em." Some old fur trapper and his Native American wife might do so to a young couple.

"Fancy that" was different. That's shock or amazement, and might even laughing about it as it was obvious you had taken a shine to someone and it "bowled you over". It then became a term for stating the obvious.

Say a feller was kinda gruff and some pretty gal kept flirting and he tried to resist as she wasn't who he thought he would "get hitched to". But she wore him down! He felt himself GRIN when she flirted.
"What's come over me! She bewitched me body and soul! Fancy that!"
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Dingbat was a substitution word for an alcoholic drink that lacked a proper name and dates from 1838. Now it just means "fool".
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Similarly, a "doohickey" or a "thingamajig" was something a redneck didn't know the proper name for, but knew enough to take it apart, find the bad problematic part, and reassemble it.
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In the early sixties, a country redneck on encountering a virtuous lady who was also devout and gorgeous, would likely secretly call her a "goddess". He was kinda spellbound.

That idea traces back to the Victorian era 1837-1901 as actual romantic courting would rarely happen and some young man might say "goddess divine" as an endearment to his sweetheart as he felt she was the personal paragon of beauty in his eyes. She had unearthly supernatural loveliness.

That especially happened in the PreRaphaelite Brotherhood who painted some of the most romantic painting ever made. They made female virtue iconic in their paintings.

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Like "Flaming June" by Frederich Lord Leighton, the focus was on her flowing hair and it drove men mad with desire and beguiled them.
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The present day term compliment began in 1570 and was spelled complement. It means to offer a term of civility that was not fully sincere ie flattery. So it wasn't a genuine endearment but a means to an end to persuade.

Think of the retort when excessive compliments are given, and the lady says, "Wow you are full of it!", ie you are full of crap. Well, that was the original meaning as a complement completed a person to the brim.

That is from the ancient Latin complere.

Later sincerity enters in as romance begins to enter the mainstream so when one wooed a lady, she measured his ardor by the genuine heartfelt words he used to describe her. So then complimenting because more positive as he wasn't just trying to get in her knickers.
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Sincerity means to be without duplicity ie trying to trick the receiver through words or actions which is a form of guile which is an evil act to achieve an ends. It's about motivation as sinceritas in Latinmeant someone who purehearted and so untainted by duplicity.

That meant any advances toward matrimony were not about acquiring power through an alliance of families, but one might romance a lady who had less power merely because one had actually fallen in love and improving her situation was one's chief desire ie selflessness.

One recognized her worth was inestimable ie "impossible to calculate" and beyond her circumstances. She was a true treasure on her own merits having to do with her wealth or family.

Now that seems normal and ordinary, but that nothing of the kind long ago. One might grow acccustomed to one's marriage and feel affection for a spouse, but romance was nigh impossible. In marriage, one settled for beneficial gain, and romance was for naive adolescents.

So to find that in a suitor or in a lady, was like finding the Holy Grail. Fortune smiled on your pure selfless intensions. It was either greatly respected or mocked by the jaded as the actions of fools.
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Diplomats in royal courts spoke in guile to best effect by strategically timed "honeyed words" and so were dismissed as irritating annoyances trying to better their nation at the expense of others. Such diplomats through arranged marriages then might ultimately lead to war by encouraging hostilities toward a third nation, or betray alliances through terrible royal marriages.

But a courtier was different. That person was at the court of a soverign because their presence added in some beneficial way. Earlier many acted with guile to achieve their own means, but a genuine courtier was a pure hearted loyal noble. It costs them to be there at court as they had to "keep up appearances" by expensive clothing. They very possibly would be judged by every word they said and by all actions. It might be years before they were fully trusted.

They were schooled by tutors in many subjects across a wide breadth to then impress their sovereign and be of some assistance.

And while there, to show their sincerity, some acted in honest kindly ways to be of assistantance to the ladies of the king, either the queen or princesses. Not in true romantic ways as they were unattainable, but as outward signs of "courty love".

Romance was initially impossible through arranged political marriages, so courtly loved allowed flirting by poetry and grand gestures as one might never actually fall in love. Then the princess would acknowledge this by saying they were gallant. Then she would secretly try to help him attain some position or even arrange a romantic marriage to one of the ladies at court.
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A young page from a noble family began in service to the court running countless errands, a term which still exists today, "I'm not your errand boy!"

Eventually the page developed courteous manners and was recognized as worthy and became a squire for a knight. They they attended upon him by managing his weapons, horse, and armor. Then if he did that well, then taught practical fighting skills with sword, bow, and lance.

But a gallant in 1550 was liked so well by upper nobility, usually a lady, he was fitted with grand attire, and in return he paid her complements. She wanted him to show courtly love that was purehearted. Few initially did as the idea of genuine romance was new.

Evenually some stood out and gallant then meant a courtier of inestimable worth as he was absolutely loyal yet honest and courteous and kind. He would never betray his benefactor...even at great personal cost.

That is when such gallants said, "Yes, my Lady and no, my Lady..." as he highly esteemed her and was content to be in her company and to be of service. So to then say, "My Lady" to one's peer who was female, was a true compliment not a complement and that idea arose in French courts in 1650.
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Not even the king knew beyond a shadow of doubt whether even in trysts if the affections shown him were because of his personal attributes or just to curry favor. It must have driven him insane as he was the soverigns of the realm, and never truly knew romance.

We all share his plight as it's within our personal history.

The jaded thought romanz in the French was just a silly tale and impossible to achieve despite even gallantry.

In a way ladies, even to this day, have this immense power regardless of station, over the most powerful men. Why would anyone want a woman when they can have a lady? And why would a lady not exercise her power over even the strongest of us?
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The word embraced means to clasp and typically holds some degree of intimacy whether among friends or lovers. It means more than a mere hug, as if one has not seen their dear friend or sweetheart due an absence, thus some tenderness is involved upon a reunion.

But originally it had an anatomical meaning in the Latin and Greek words mean arms. One wore "bracers" to protect the vulnerable wrist to forearms to protect them from an opponent making a wild chop across your sword or shield arm.

One braced for the impact of a charging foe as their mass and acceleration would be focused through their bodies and weapons.

So it quite evolved from a military meaning of two wrestling soldiers to a loving sincere embrace. And then when we argue and long for the Beloved's embrace, the relationship can even degenerate into a struggle between two combatants.
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There is this moronic idea that the "Boogie Man" is racist. That is nonsense. The earliest colonists to America were English and Scots, sometimes Scotch-Irish. And they brought their folklore to the New World.

A Boogie Man is the entymological drift of old English and Celtic terms from mythology. A bogge was a scarecrow figure, so for them an animated actual being in effigy in a field, and likely traced back to the Green Man who is Cernunos or Pan.

That even shows up in Saxon raiders to the UK as a bogge for them was a goat man ie Baphomet (Pan), thus a pagan demon. It also could mean a goblin.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Black people who were slaves at that time period.
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Because of sycretism and the influx of slaves in the American South, you have Haitian influence and the West African slave trade and that brings voodoo. So whatever boogee began as in effigy in corn fields as goatmen or goblins then might be labeled Obeah which is an analogue of Voodoo/Hoodoo and come to mean Death or the One who collects your soul upon death.

The Boogie Man might be a nickname for Baron Samedi in those Obeah, Voodoo, or Hoodoo systems. One can hardly claim it's racist when it's AfroCarribean slaves who might create the term!
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An elderly Black lady in the American South might be spooked by a supernatural occurrance and feel like, "It's a haint". A haint was a haunted spirit that was lost and didn't know it was dead. If someone had melancholia as their heart was busted by a failed romance, then they might "off themselves" by leaping of a bridge. And then their haint might be trapped at a bridge as water is a conduit to the spirit world or a portal or vortex.

Then if she walked across the bridge, the haint might see sbe was happy and had romance in her life, and be attracted and curious and follow her home. Then the haint haunted her home.
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Because a haint is easily trapped by water, then salt was placed around buildings (in coastal regions as salt was taken from the sea by slow evaporation) and the haint could not cross the threshold. If you live around some African Americans in the Deep South, look and see if salt is around their homes.

Or "haintblue" was the chosen color of their homes, especially poor folks who colored their whitewash a blue tint as haints get mixed up and can't go inside as they think that is water.

A bottle tree is a trap for haints. Sometimes old bottles were a blue tint, but then any old bottle would do and were strung up to confuse haints...maybe especially those who died from alcoholism.
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The Skeleton Key is a very accurate hoodoo film in which some of the above can be seen. To me it's a far scarier horror film as the concept is a type of spirit possession in which young people can be taken over by older people in perpetuity.

It's rather similar to Invasions of the Body Snatchers.
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If German Americans are around, you might hear an elderly lady speak about a nixie. A nixie is a water spirit and might be malevolent and cause careless children to drown. That word is liable to be lost soon, yet it's been around back to the ancient Greeks as a water nymph of river gods.

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These often blend with lycanthropy as they can also appear as horses.

Both Rhinemaidens and Lorelei trace back to Necks and Nixies.
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Something strange may take place around water in the next few days. I keep getting an image of water and calamity.

Y'all be careful especially if you are in any way psychic. I would not go swimming in natural water spots like a river or lake.

My sychronicity sense is flat out alarming.
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I even cast a I Ching 5 just now! Something ain't right. That is water over heaven and waiting.

Y'all be careful.
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I even cast a I Ching 5 just now! Something ain't right. That is water over heaven and waiting.

Y'all be careful.
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The danger is not yet close. One is still waiting on the open plain. Conditions are still simple, yet there is a feeling of something impending. One must continue to lead a regular life as long as possible. Only in this way does one guard against a premature waste of strength, keep free of blame and error that would become a source of weakness later on.

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The danger gradually comes closer. Sand is near the bank of the river, and the water means danger. Disagreements crop up. General unrest can easily develop in such times, and we lay the blame on one another. He who stays calm will succeed in making things go well in the end. Slander will be silenced if we do not gratify it with injured retorts.

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Mud is no place for waiting, since it is already being washed by the water of the stream. Instead of having gathered strength to cross the stream at one try, one has made a premature start that has got him no farther than the muddy bank. Such an unfavorable position invites enemies from without, who naturally take advantage of it. Caution and a sense of the seriousness of the situation are all that can keep one from injury.

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The situation is extremely dangerous. It is of utmost gravity now - a matter of life and death. Bloodshed seems imminent. There is no going forward or backward; we are cut off as if in a pit. Now we must simply stand fast and let fate take its course. This composure, which keeps us from aggravating the trouble by anything we might do, is the only way of getting out of the dangerous pit.
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The "cure of souls" is an old British term for the care of souls ie pastoral care. They believed in the theology of "being". YHWH means I AM WHO I AM, and thus one attribute is YHWH is ever present (omnipresent). Thus a priest or pastor should "be present" when someone needs supernatural aid from the ELOHIM (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

Then the clergy or even just a minister (any Christian doing the work of the sheep as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 24), then is present typically during the sacraments.

It's arguable which sacraments are Biblically listed. Typically baptism and matrimony, but also confession of sins, healing for the sick and others vary.

There are times that are milestones and so at the moments of great joy and terrible grief, then clergy and ministers can care for the souls of others. And that reciprocates as later they care for our souls too. In fact there is a synergy involving all who participate in the process of "being present". Helping others is good for the care of one's own soul.

Just when you got married and your best friends "stood up for you" as witnesses, they got to be present in your joy, but also in your commitment and so are supposed to continually support your marriage promises. They do that when you are sick and that's not just saying prayers but bringing food over and running errands for you. That's being present when you lose your Beloved spouse and are still grieving six months later.
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The only thing I can say of late is I stopped using the word luck or lucky, wishing luck on another and instead say may you be blessed or blessings to you and yours.
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We say, "Good Luck" because the ancient Romans said, "Bonam fortunam". What it really mean was for the goddess of fortune to smile upon that person, and would be horrible for a Christian to say. It would be like calling down a demon.


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Fortuna was this Roman goddess.
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Prior to Fortuna is the Greek goddess Tyche. She is Destiny and thus could bring calamity as well as fortune.

That goes back to the Moirai who are the Fates (maiden, mother, and crone) and could haunt the person are the Furies who are demonic aka the Kindly Ones (an ironic name).
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Please stop poisoning knowledge. It can be innocent to read without your larding it with cursing.





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