How to determine the true Pentecost date and why it is a possible time of the rapture before the new world order begins

Out of the 7 churches in revelation only the church of Philadelphia and part of Sardis were worthy to escape the wrath to come ...so probably not too many .

To read later


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Confusion.
Seems we are in the days of confusion.

Most people do not read the Bible, have never taken one Bible study class or know the history of the Bible.
They may have accepted John 3:16 believing they have "Jesus in my heart" and that's that.
They know a couple of verses and parrot those.

In the times of plagues and widespread ignorance - during the Middle Ages - William Tyndale was the first man to translate the Bible into English.
He was persecuted and man-hunted for 12 years white he did this work. It was against the law to read the Bible.
The corrupt church leaders forbid anyone to read or own Scripture and was punishable by death.
Burned at the stake for wanting to know about God and God's Son, Jesus.
The Reformation was a bloody time.
It was the DARK AGE. Look it up. Read how terrible it was back then.
William Tyndale translated the Bible into English and he was tortured, hanged, burned and blown up into pieces .. by the Catholic Church and English Aristocracy.
They did not want "The People" to read the Bible.
They killed Tyndale in a most public and terrible manner to instill fear into people of reading the Bible.
Many of the copies were burned at that time.
Only a few copies survived.
Against all odds.

As Americans, do you know this is the reason why the Pilgrims came to this new, unknown land? They wanted to worship God and read the Bible and not to be under the corrupt church system.

Do you understand how important it IS to read and understand the Bible, God's Word?

No, you don't.

"They" are STILL trying to keep you from finding out what it says.

It was punishable by death to read or own one.
Those days are coming again.

The confusion abounds in that subject.
It demands that you must study for yourself.

It wouldn't be a talked about subject if there wasn't so much profiteering on it. Pastors can be billionares if they give out easy believism lessons. Book publishers make millions telling people the mark can be removed.

So we have two possible time lines depending on whether we count 7 sabbaths or 7 full sabbaths as according to the dead sea scrolls in the above link..the difference would be one week...so here are the two time lines according to leviticus 23 7 sabbaths...here is the first one counting 7 sabbaths..but not full sabbaths and then 50 days plus the week for pentecost harvest:











Here is the second option counting 7 full sabbaths(49 days) before counting 50 days for a total of a 99 day count the sabbath after passover and if Pentecost is a week long as the other 2 harvests passover and tabernacles are adding 7 days.








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To get rid of your paganism, christians.

WOW....WOW...WOW....now that’s amazing

In the above video from minute 29 to minute 36 he proved Jesus was on earth 49 days and the secret was Thomas wasn’t there at the first appearance of Jesus so you add resurrection day plus 8 more days....wow the hidden treasures that people haven’t seen until the end times...and that the disciples waited 50 more days after the 49 days Jesus was on earth for a total of 99 days after the sabbath after resurrection for true Pentecost


You count resurrection day then Jesus revealed himself to the disciples “BUT“ Thomas wasn’t there so he went away for 8 more days bringing the total to 9 days before starting the 40 day count of Jesus performing miracles

John 20:26
King James Version
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.









By Jesus ascending on the 49th day instead of the 40th days he fulfills the feast of weeks being you have to wait 49 days

Deuteronomy 16:9-10
New International Version
The Festival of Weeks(A)
9 Count off seven weeks(B) from the time you begin to put the sickle to the standing grain.(C) 10 Then celebrate the Festival of Weeks to the Lord your God by giving a freewill offering in proportion to the blessings the Lord your God has given you.

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WOW....WOW...WOW....now that’s amazing

In the above video from minute 29 to minute 36 he proved Jesus was on earth 49 days and the secret was Thomas wasn’t there at the first appearance of Jesus so you add resurrection day plus 8 more days....wow the hidden treasures that people haven’t seen until the end times...and that the disciples waited 50 more days after the 49 days Jesus was on earth for a total of 99 days after the sabbath after resurrection for true Pentecost



This finding about the real Pentecost is very big news for every believer, thanks for sharing the proof in the scriptures.

I would 10star your thread but there is the rapture-tardation involved ...

Another reason we can’t wait until Pentecost 2021...they are already saying the vaccine will be ready by January .... as soon as the bride leaves I’m betting it will be September 2020

The word "Bible" isn't in there either but I've seen thousands of them!

That was a respectful opinion...I welcome respectful comments it won’t change anything with those who can see a rapture is coming but thanks for your post

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Here’s Barry awe video...very well done




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Exodus 5:1

1And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.


That feast was Pentecost


Something to notice:

1. God the Father was high on the mountain when the day of the feast day ( Pentecost) arrived.

2. The Holy Spirit met the disciples in the “Upper Room” when the feast day (Pentecost) arrived.

3. Jesus will meet the dead in Christ and the bride in the “Upper Heavens” when the feast day (Pentecost) arrives


This year during Passover there was a plaque/corona that kept the world in their houses just like in Moses time when the blood was put on the door posts and the Pentecost after the passover in Moses time the people met with God

The Passover when Jesus put his blood on the cross posts the disciples met with the Holy Spirit the Pentecost after passover.

This passover 2020 the people were in their houses all over the world...for the first time on passover because of a plaque in 3000 years...the question we have to ask ourselves is:

Will the people who are covered with the blood of Jesus meet with him in the “Upper Heavens” during true Pentecost this year?

Here are the two possible counts of Pentecost this year:






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So we have two possible time lines depending on whether we count 7 sabbaths or 7 full sabbaths as according to the dead sea scrolls in the above link..the difference would be one week...so here are the two time lines according to leviticus 23 7 sabbaths...here is the first one counting 7 sabbaths..but not full sabbaths and then 50 days plus the week for pentecost harvest:











Here is the second option counting 7 full sabbaths(49 days) before counting 50 days for a total of a 99 day count the sabbath after passover and if Pentecost is a week long as the other 2 harvests passover and tabernacles are adding 7 days.








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That s a great thread but didn t you read this answer OP? :

" I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil

There is fight here on GLP about that, half of people believe in the rapture and the others don t....strange...

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You have to read the whole chapter to see who that verse is speaking about.....Jesus is praying for the disciples that are living at that time....there won’t be a rapture for another 2000 years so they had to be kept from the evil as they were still in the world.




Let’s look at who is being spoken to....blue will be the disciples and the pink will be the future end time church...you can see from the first verse who is being spoken of first when Jesus says “I was with them in the world”


Watch in verse 20 Jesus starts praying for a different group and that is the classification the bride will fall under...so the bride can be raptured


John 17:

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

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This video speaks about the teacher of righteousness and one interesting part at 26 minutes in coming from the Midrash it say every year in tish b av Moses would have everyone dig their own grave and lie in it til morning. In the morning 15,000 would be dead and the others would.cover them up. The 15,000 were 1 40th of the population and this happened every year in fish b av. Watch the video and see what happens in the 40th year of rosh b av




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It is impossible and cannot exist. Op you are wasting you valuable time on something that cannot happen.

NOPE. the rapture/resurrection event isn't for those of wicked and evil urantia cult. Those taken in the rapture are those who belong to GOD's only begotten son Jesus.

wicked urantia cult belongs to the fake multiple sons of urantia. therefore, they are left behind.

There have been some viral videos lately that are predicting calamities for the Fall. Everything from asteroids to invading armies. While the posters are professed believers, their messages seem to be pushing people to move, prep and fear.

Perhaps their messages will pan out for the world. But we are looking for our blessed hope prior to that time - maybe even this month. Keep looking up and rest in Him! Maranatha!

why are you using the gregorian calendar?

Which calendar are you using...are you using lunar?

Which calendar are you using...are you using lunar?

Lunar to reckon the days, solar and stars also.

Just curious as to your logic for using that calendar as opposed to the one in use at the time of the prophesies?

I trust the jues know how to count Shavuot...they are just 50 days off because they count 49 and say the next day is the feast...when in reality Leviticus 23 states count 7 sabbaths and then count 50 days for a total of 99 days after the sabbath after Passover

The Phrase translated as "after the Sabbath is one word in the Hebrew text from which the KJV was translated

HasShebiy`iy Adjective

The Seventh"

Leviticus 23:16

Even unto the morrow after the seventh H7637 sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

Which refutes the Idea, That After the seven sabbath, that's when the count begins.

Young's Literal Translation

Leviticus 23:16
Even unto the morrow, the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto YAHUWAH

The day after the Seventh Sabbath from the waving of the Sheaves, Resurrection Day = 50 Days Shavuot.

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The word "gleukos" translated as "new wine" is found 1 time in the Greek New Testament.

Young's Literal translation "Sweet Wine"

glucose = Sugar

Having sweet wine means that the grapes were fermented..

The original texts of the Bible were not written in English

Etymology 101

The word for wine is not in this word in the original text, nor is the word new

Compare New wine being put into Old bottles.

It is translated as such because of them being accused of being Drunk and is Added for clarity.

Its not even 9 a.m and they're full of sauce (sweetened grapes)

A contemporary Idiom for grapes that were fermented.

Root Word Etymology

Found in 4 verses

Jas 3:11
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet G1099 water and bitter?
Jas 3:12
Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. G1099
Rev 10:9
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet G1099 as honey.
Rev 10:10
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet G1099 as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Pronunciation
glü-kü's
glucose
Kewse
Kose
Sweet

Sweeeeeeet

Part of the Argument that is given for this teaching is that on Shavuot - Pentecost.

Was extracted from what the mockers said.

Saying these men are full of "new wine"

The argument goes, since grapes are harvested later in the year, It means the wine is new, from that years harvest of grapes.


Act 2:13

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. G1098

G1098 gleukos = Sweet

Found in this form 1 Time in the Greek

Root Etymology

Found 4 Times in the Greek

Jas 3:11

Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet G1099 water and bitter?

Jas 3:12

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. G1099

Rev 10:9

And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet G1099 as honey.

Rev 10:10

And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet G1099 as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

1 time gleukos pronounced glyü'-kos

4 times glykys pronounced glü-kü's


The main point being, The contrast is between something Sweet and Something that is biter.


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Internet Search

"Origin word Glucose"

Dictionary Definition

The word glucose is based on an ancient Greek word gleukos which meant "sweet delightful wine."

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SMH

Lol SMH...while you are shaking your head possibly you could read while doing it....here is an article for you or whoever wants to read it telling about Pentecost being a summer harvest

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There are 3 harvest feast days:

1 unleavened bread/passover/barley spring harvest which Jesus fulfilled

2. Pentecost/wheat summer harvest/the bride of jesus harvest

3. Tabernacles/grape/tribulation saint harvest

Very simple to see...spring harvest...then summer harvest...then fall harvest






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