How to determine the true Pentecost date and why it is a possible time of the rapture before the new world order begins

Muddied Waters

In order to hide their blind insistence of following the traditions and errors of their forbears (Matthew 23), the scribes muddied verse 15 and 16 of Leviticus 23 -- seemingly ignoring the plain Hebrew words contained therein. Then, on top of all that, the English translators tried to argue that the Hebrew word unto/until/"AD", supports counting 50 days from the wave sheaf instead of 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath, Leviticus 23:16. When you understand that there are TWO wheat harvests, one in the spring, about two weeks after the Barley harvest and one in the summer about 50 days after the one in the spring, it will better help you understand the word "UNTIL."

Seeing as there are two types of wheat harvests and Pentecost is the firstfruits of wheat harvest -- it is the duty of every serious truth seeker to find out which of these TWO wheat harvest was originally used for Pentecost. One of these wheat harvests takes place in the spring around the second and third month -- and the other wheat harvest takes place in the summer around the fourth and fifth Hebrew months.

Leviticus 23:16 has been a major topic for those opposing the fourth month summer wheat harvest in favor of the winter wheat harvest which is sown in the fall and reaped in the springtime, about two weeks after Barley harvest. They focus on the Hebrew word for UNTIL and think that it supports their position -- even though the only conclusive wheat harvest found in Scripture is in the summer, NOT spring.

If we were to number 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath complete, it would obviously bring us to a new meat offering of the summer wheat harvest, which is 50 days beyond the spring wheat harvest. But if we numbered ONE day after the seventh Sabbath complete it would obviously bring us to the spring wheat harvest. This is an absolute. The question is, how did ancient Israel number, one day, or 50 days after the seventh Sabbath complete, i.e., WHICH wheat harvest is the scripture referring to?

The Words "AD" and "Min"

It appears that most English translators, motivated by get lost tradition and preconceived ideas stemming from the Catholic Whitsunday, failed to translate ONE little Hebrew word! What is that word? It's the word "MIN."

The beginning of verse 16, in the Hebrew, is "AD-MIN-MOCHORATH." The word "MIN" is a preposition which, when combined with other words, means "FROM."

The Hebrew word "AD" is a preposition, adverb or conjugation that has many uses for describing TIME, SPACE or DEGREE. Ignoring the word "MIN," the translators render "AD" as "EVEN UNTO" -- however there is a major problem with this! The phrase "EVEN UNTO" deals with SPACE, while all of the measurements in verse 16 -- "the morrow," "the seventh Sabbath," and "fifty days" all deal with TIME, not SPACE! Therefore, the English translation for "AD" as "EVEN UNTO" is in error and CANNOT be correct since it deals with "SPACE" and not "TIME."

According to the Koehler and Baumgartner Lexicon the word "AD" can have the following meanings:

"LATER IN THE FUTURE, count fifty days (AD has a future tense).
AND then count fifty days (AD can be a conjunction).
JUST BEFORE counting fifty days, count seven weeks."

It would not be going out on a limb to state that this GROSS misapplication of "even unto" here has been very successful -- albeit a deliberate deception to achieve the translator's personal or traditional meaning for this critical passage. Every English translation -- with the exception of the Ferrar Fenton translation -- is CLEARLY based upon the KJV's MISUSE of "even unto," making it appear that the day following the seventh Sabbath is the terminus or ending point of the fifty-day count. This is in perfect keeping with the "count fifty" Pentecost interpretations that now dominate "Christendom" -- including the unwilling and/or unwary Sabbatarians who should know better since they are always quoting I Thessalonians 5:21!

So HOW should the Hebrew of Leviticus 23:16 be CORRECTLY translated into English? Since the English translation for "AD" as "EVEN UNTO" is misapplied and cannot be correct since it deals with "space" instead of "time," what definitions DO apply to the measuring of "time" in verse 16? They are as follows:

"Hebrew "AD" = English "DURING, WHILE and UNTIL." Other general options for Heb. "AD" include: "AS, AND, AT, BY THAT, AS FAR AS, WHEN, WHILE and YET."

But what if the Hebrew word for "FROM" was at the beginning of verse 16? If this was the case, it would be the STARTING POINT for the fifty-day count rather than the ending point. As we have already seen, the Hebrew word for "FROM" is indeed at the beginning of verse 16. While the word "AD" does NOT mean "FROM," the word "MIN" DOES -- and it is in the very beginning of verse 16 along with the word "AD"! Although the Hebrew word "MIN" is there in the Hebrew text, it has purposely been omitted from every English translation except the Ferrar Fenton version!

Notice how Fenton's version translates verse 16 --

"THEN AFTER the seventh Sabbath, you shall count fifty days, when you shall present a NEW [grain] offering to the EVER-LIVING."

The original Hebrew scriptures CLEARLY show that after counting seven Sabbaths (weeks) from the Wave Sheaf Offering, there is a SECOND NUMBERING of 50 days up unto the actual Feast of Shavuot. That second count of 50 days does NOT conclude, but rather COMMENCES on the morrow AFTER the seventh Sabbath. This places the feast of the WHEAT HARVEST at the very end of the fourth Hebrew month -- right where it belongs in the middle of the SUMMER wheat harvest and at the beginning of the grape harvest, midway between the spring and fall harvest seasons.

Counting and Numbering

Bullinger's Lexicon says "until as long as, marking the continuance of an action up to the time of another action." We have an action of COUNTING seven Sabbaths even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath and then we have ANOTHER action of NUMBERING 50 days.

The first action is to COUNT the Sabbaths.

The second thing they were to do was to NUMBER 50 days.

The third thing they were to do was to bring a new meat offering.

They were not instructed to count seven Sabbaths complete and then bring a new meat offering. They were instructed to count seven Sabbaths complete up “unto” the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then they were instructed to number 50 days -- but not until after they counted seven Sabbaths first. They were instructed to bring a new meat offering, but not until after they numbered 50 days which numbering began after the seventh Sabbath complete.

If the 50-day count were to begin from the wave sheaf, it would read, “even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye bring a new meat offering.” But YEHOVAH does not say "ye shall bring a new meat offering after the seventh Sabbath" -- it says "shall ye number fifty days"!

This is how we understood the words even before we saw the definition. You have an ACTION of COUNTING seven Sabbaths, even UNTO the morrow AFTER the seventh Sabbath and then ye have ANOTHER action to NUMBER 50 days; and then "ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD." If there was only ONE action of numbering from the wave sheaf, we believe the Scripture would read to number 50 days from the wave sheaf instead of 50 days from the morrow after the seventh Sabbath -- but the first action is to COUNT seven Sabbaths and the second action is to NUMBER 50 days. Even if the morrow after the seventh Sabbath was included in the first count for the seven Sabbaths, which would make the seven Sabbaths inexact, it still teaches to number 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath because the Hebrew word for "shall" is ALWAYS future tense.

Adding to the above, the English word "SHALL" is ALWAYS future tense -- and this goes along with the above. "Shall ye number fifty days," in Leviticus 23:16, is future tense and, besides that, even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath complete is 49 days NOT 50, because if the word means up until a certain point -- but not including that point -- it would bring you to the beginning of the morrow after the seventh Sabbath was complete, which would not be 50 days. If the word meant up until a certain point and including that point, it would make the seventh Sabbath inexact -- as the noted Hebrew scholar Rashi says in his commentary on this verse. We say the verse could be understood to count seven Sabbaths up until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath, and then INCLUDING the morrow after the seventh Sabbath "shall ye number fifty days" and then bring a new meat offering. Either way you want to look at it, the children of Israel understood it to be 50 days after the seventh Sabbath.

Remember, there is a difference between “counting” and “numbering.” Even though Strong's Concordance uses the same number for both words, they are TWO different words in the Hebrew interlinear. There is also a difference between weeks and days. You can count seven cars and then count to 50 and then cross the street. You can count seven Sabbaths and then number 50 days and then bring the new meat offering to the Almighty. You do not count seven Sabbaths and then number ONE day, but you count seven Sabbaths and then number 50 days -- not one day.

Scholars such as Rashi and Ferrar Fenton are in harmony with the chag that Aaron and the children of Israel proclaimed in Exodus 32:5 -- which was 50 days after the seventh lunar Sabbath (Leviticus 23:16), which brings you to the summer wheat harvest.

Fenton's translation is also in harmony with the NEW WINE that was present on the day of Pentecost in the second chapter of the book of Acts. As the prophet Joel prophesied in the second chapter of Joel, there are no ripe grapes in the third month, and neither is there a chag mentioned in the third month in the scenario of the traditional third month Pentecost. These scholars and some translations are also in harmony with the Pentecost summer wheat harvest in the FOURTH MONTH, mentioned by the Messiah at Passover-time in the book of John. Notice!

"Do you not say, 'There are still FOUR MONTHS and then comes the harvest'?..." (John 4:35).

The scholars and translations we have mentioned are also in harmony with the many other things that we have covered in the discussion of Pentecost.

When all is said and done, it really doesn't matter how the scholars understand the Hebrew word in Leviticus 23:16. What does matter is how the children of Israel understood it according to Exodus 32:5 -- and how it is confirmed in nature itself.

Every count must have a beginning and ending point, and I think we all agree that the beginning point for the seven Sabbaths complete begins on the morrow after the Sabbath when the priest waves the wave sheaf. The question is, where does this count end and the next count begin? As we have shown above, there are two counts mentioned in Leviticus 23, and they were not to offer the new meat offering until “both” counts were completed. If we count seven Sabbaths complete and ”then” bring a new meat offering, we are partial in the Law, but if we count seven Sabbaths complete up unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath and then number 50 days instead of one day and then bring the new meat offering, we have fulfilled the Law.

10 "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

15 "And ye shall COUNT unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye NUMBER fifty days; and ye shall offer a NEW meat-offering unto the LORD" (King James Version).

The first count goes up “even unto"/until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath and ends. The next count begins and goes for 50 days, and the text is understood as saying, “the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days.” One reason it is to be understood this way is because the morrow after the seventh Sabbath is NOT included in the first count of the seven Sabbaths. The seven Sabbaths goes up until the morrow after and no further -- and THEN "ye shall number fifty days" counting the morrow, and then you bring the new meat (grain) offering, and not before. In other words, the first count goes up to the morrow after the seventh Sabbath then stops -- and then you NUMBER 50 days and bring a new meat (grain) offering after you number the 50th day.

The question is, when do we bring the new meat offering? Is it after we number 50 days? The answer is yes! But when do we began to number the 50 days? Do we number the 50 days from the morrow after the Nisan 15 Sabbath -- the 16th? Or do we number the 50 days from the morrow AFTER the seventh Sabbath complete? Is it one day after the seventh Sabbath complete or is it after numbering 50 days after the seventh Sabbath complete? The Bible says, “until the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat-offering unto the LORD” (Leviticus 23:16). How much plainer can it get? Most people don't understand the Hebrew or English grammar. The children of Israel obviously understood it like it says, number 50 days AFTER the seventh Sabbath complete because they celebrated it exactly 50 days after the seventh lunar Sabbath according to Exodus 32:5. They were to celebrate the feast unto the One that brought them out of Egypt -- but they celebrated it unto a golden calf instead, saying it was the one that brought them out of Egypt (Exodus 32:4).

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It was an admonition not to add anything to that book, only the last book of the Bible, not all scripture.
This is because the many books that make up the Bible had not been compiled into one "book", yet.

Lol member “232” last karma to me was priceless...he posted 3 words and couldn’t spell any of them correct...if I could frame one karma response it would have to be yours...I sent you some green for that one...thanks for the laugh.

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So we have two possible time lines depending on whether we count 7 sabbaths or 7 full sabbaths as according to the dead sea scrolls in the above link..the difference would be one week...so here are the two time lines according to leviticus 23 7 sabbaths...here is the first one counting 7 sabbaths..but not full sabbaths and then 50 days plus the week for pentecost harvest:











Here is the second option counting 7 full sabbaths(49 days) before counting 50 days for a total of a 99 day count the sabbath after passover and if Pentecost is a week long as the other 2 harvests passover and tabernacles are adding 7 days.













The masks are to see how many people will obey the first step of the three step process:

Step 1. Wear the corona mask or you can’t buy anything

Step 2. Get the corona test or you can’t work

Step 3. Get the microdotchip implant/dna manipulation so the elite can control and track every aspect of your new slave life but get it to “prove you are vaccinated”..then you will regularly get your microdotchip implant updated as the owners find new things they can do to gain more power over your lives until you pledge full allegiance because that is all you will be able to do as they will have manipulated your dna to obey levels..and if you don’t you will be cut off from society and won’t be able to buy sell or trade anything because by that time the will have done away with physical money and all your new digital money will be controlled by the elites through that microdotchip implant in you hand....and then not even God will be able to save you because your dna will be changed and you will be unredeemable.

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Qumran Essene calendar

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Thanks for the updates Waterman!

If the Essene Temple Scroll is correct, Av 3 (Feast of New Wine) begins at sundown tonight. Surprised that Dr. Barry hasn't posted anything since last week.

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RAPTURE! AT THE APPOINTED TIME!! NOW UPON US! IT IS THE TRUE CHRISTIAN PENTECOST-NEW WINE (pt.1)

I’ve been waiting all week for this...thanks for posting it

True Pentecost is the wheat harvest














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Jesus fulfilled the first 3 spring feasts and the barley harvest

The next feast to fulfill is Pentecost and the harvest is the wheat harvest/removal of the bride before judgement

After Pentecost the wheat harvest the 3 fall feasts will be the next to be fulfilled




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7 minutes mark for the Pentecost true count

I know he uploaded it and fox took it down for copyright violation so it took a few hours for him to post it again

Pentecost has already passed. It was 50 days after Resurrection Sunday.

The Jues count don’t count full 7 sabbaths and fail to count the 50 days correctly...if you want to know how to count go to 7 minutes in the video if not that’s ok too.

7 minutes mark for the Pentecost true count











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Lunacy and superstition. You truly believe all this op?? How you allow yourself to get into all this ideas.

It’s pretty simple when you look at the world today and watch all your freedoms slipping away and the new world order boldly taking over

2 times when something major happened on passover...something major happened on the following Pentecost those two times were:

1. Passover in Moses time those with the blood on the door lintels were passed over by the angel of death...the following Pentecost the dispensation of the age of law started

2. Passover Jesus was crucified and by the blood shed on the cross lintels salvation was made possible...the following Pentecost the new dispensation of the age of grace started.

PENTECOST IS A DISPENSATION CHANGER

This is the first passover for over 3000 years since the time of Moses that there was once again a world plaque going over and people were once again quarantined in their houses on passover...therefore the following pentecost a dispensation of the age of grace will end...the age of the law will be reinstated and we will once again see the judgement of God on earth

Formula = something world changing happens on passover...then something world changing will happen on the following Pentecost...true Pentecost starts tonight at sunset if it lasts one day it will be over at sunset tomorrow....if it lasts a week like the barley harvest and the grape harvest then it will be over at sunset next saturday

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It’s funny I have to work in a cemetery tomorrow Sunday and I was telling the guys at work that Sunday is a high rapture watch date and really didn’t want to work rapture day and explained how the dead in Christ raise first and those who remain alive who are in Jesus will meet them in the air.

I mentioned there are more who aren’t in Christ then there are who are so the chances the one I bury tomorrow will not be raised after they have been buried tomorrow. The guys at work said “ I guess you didn’t see the name of the guy you are burying tomorrow.....it’s “pastor so and so”...I’ll be in that cemetery tomorrow from 11 to 4 .....so if those graves start opening at that time I’ll be one of the first to know...lol

Blessings op :)

How many more harvest dates do you queerbait motherfuckers think you get?

Something to ponder. Just reading through Joel 2: 12-20 to see how it might fit into the timeline...


“Now, therefore,” says the LORD,
“Turn to Me with all your heart,
With fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.”

So rend your heart, and not your garments;
Return to the LORD your God,
For He is gracious and merciful,
Slow to anger, and of great kindness;
And He relents from doing harm.

Who knows if He will turn and relent,
And leave a blessing behind Him—
A grain offering and a drink offering (True Pentecost - Av 4)
For the LORD your God?

Blow the trumpet in Zion,
Consecrate a fast, (Tisha B'Av - Av 9)
Call a sacred assembly;

Gather the people,
Sanctify the congregation,
Assemble the elders,
Gather the children and nursing babes;
Let the bridegroom (Jesus) go out from his chamber (Heaven),
And the bride (Church) from her dressing room (the world). (Tu B'Av - Av 15?)

Let the priests, who minister to the LORD,
Weep between the porch and the altar;
Let them say, “Spare Your people (Israel), O LORD,
And do not give Your heritage to reproach,
That the nations should rule over them.
Why should they say among the peoples,
‘Where is their God?’”

Then the LORD will be zealous for His land,
And pity His people.

The LORD will answer and say to His people,
“Behold, I will send you grain and new wine and oil,
And you will be satisfied by them;
I will no longer make you a reproach among the nations.

“But I will remove far from you the northern army (Ezekiel 38 battle),
And will drive him away into a barren and desolate land,
With his face toward the eastern sea
And his back toward the western sea;
His stench will come up,
And his foul odor will rise,
Because he has done monstrous things.”


Tu B'Av


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There are always things to ponder....lol



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The feast itself lasts three days. The first day is known as "Trinity Sunday"; the second day is known as "Spirit Monday" (or "Monday of the Holy Spirit"); and the third day, Tuesday, is called the "Third Day of the Trinity."[41] The Afterfeast of Pentecost lasts for one week, during which fasting is not permitted, even on Wednesday and Friday. In the Orthodox Tradition, the liturgical color used at Pentecost is green, and the clergy and faithful carry flowers and green branches in their hands during the services.

A popular tradition arose in both west and east of decorating the church with roses on Pentecost, leading to a popular designation of Pentecost as Latin: Festa Rosalia or "Rose Feast"

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If we use the same Leviticus 23 formula and count 49 days/7 full sabbaths the day after the sabbath after first fruits but use true Pentecost and the bride as first fruits for our start date

Back in April Jesus was first fruits on Easter Sunday April 12 so we start the the 49 day count on the following Saturday April 18th at sunset which brings us to Saturday July 25th at sunset until Sunday July 26th at sunset for true Pentecost.

If we do the 49 day count formula again but this time starting with the bride being first fruits on July 26 then we start the count on the following Saturday evening august 1/Sunday until sunset and again count 49 days which will bring us to Saturday September 19 which is the next feast day feast of trumpets.

Notice we are looking for the Pentecost harvest and if Pentecost lasts 7 days we have til august 1st at evening to still be Pentecost week.... notice if we use the Leviticus 23 forty nine day count formula we would start that count august 1 at evening right when Pentecost week is over...so the highest watch time for Pentecost rapture would be when Pentecost “fully comes” which would be the last day of Pentecost august 1st before sunset...but what time zone?

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We are certainly running out of Pentecost days left..lol...only 5 more days of Pentecost left




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