The sacking of the great library of Alexandria

Ever wonder why Baghdad happened?

A case of what goes around, comes around.

You have never read any of Plato's work in Greek

Because if you did it would be clear it's an allegory

He said the Greeks fought the atlanteans and won! they were supposed to be super advanced with technology not even fathomable today

But the bronze age Greeks were able to beat them in war?

Zero chance zero chance zero chance, he was an author writing a fiction book

The first science fiction book of all time

He had no evidence because it was all in his mind

No real historian believes in the story of Atlantis as fact

Plato said there was an actual physical war between the Greeks and atlanteans. We know that never happened

He also said the Greeks beat the atlanteans, but they were supposed to be a super advanced civilization

how could a bronze age tribe of people beat a super advanced civilization in war? They didn't because it was a science fiction book

Lovely.

I do believe there are probably others.

Many had foresight to these times we are in.

The dead sea scrolls for instance.

Why do we let people keep these things from us?

I wonder.

What was lost was ancient knowledge on how to be human.

How to live in community.

How to peacefully and harmoniously work within the structures of city and what we call Country.

What was saved was esoteric and meta stuff.

What was lost - is what could have saved us all...

I believe the sleeping prophet Edgar Cayce said there were some ancient writings under the Sphinx.

Look at us today, antifa/blm tribe at war with normal advanced civilized people.

And if they really wanted to start a war, we would decimate them in f****** two days

The Greeks were bronze age, While the atlanteans were supposedly an advanced super civilization

There is literally zero chance the Greeks could beat them in a war. But it was an allegory about Greek dominance over the known world

So of course they beat the atlanteans

Where did everyone get their knowledge from ?

Mesopotamia and they got it from the ancients pre flood,

who got it from ET.


Read a book.

I've always liked this conversation for a new perspective on Atlantis.

"You're asking about advanced technologies, and I tell you this: You cannot have advanced technologies in any beneficial way without advanced thinking. Advanced technology without advanced thought creates not advancement, but demise.
You have already experienced that on your planet, and you are very nearly about to experience it again.
What do You mean? What are You talking about?
I am saying that once before on your planet you had reached the heights—beyond the heights, really—to which you now are slowly climbing. You had a civilization on Earth more advanced than the one now existing. And it destroyed itself.
Not only did it destroy itself, it nearly destroyed everything else as well.
It did this because it did not know how to deal with the very technologies it had developed. Its technological evolution was so far ahead of its spiritual evolution that
it wound up making technology its God. The people worshipped technology, and all that it could create and bring. And so they got all that their unbridled technology brought—which was unbridled disaster.
They literally brought their world to an end.
This all happened here, on this Earth?
Yes.
Are You talking about the Lost City of Atlantis?
Some of you have called it that.
And Lemuria? The land of Mu?
That is also part of your mythology.
So then it is true! We did get to that place before!
Oh, beyond it, My friend. Way beyond it.
And we did destroy ourselves!
Why are you surprised? You're doing the same thing now."

Another time capsule which should surely contain historical records that survived book and document burnings: the Library of Pompeii and Herculaneum, the 'villa of the papyri.'

Simple story. The year was 79 AD. A rich guy had a library on his villa. Mt Vesuvius erupted and buried everything nearby in ash. Before the final, devastating eruptions, much of the library was packed up and ready to be loaded onto ships.

Most of the scrolls are rolled up and not easy to unroll as they are well on their way to becoming charcoal and over the years many were indeed burnt as convenient fire fuel.

We're also told that this library was focused on the topic of the philosophy of Epicureanism, aka the philosophy of living a life of pleasure. Never mind that the primary use of any library is for reference; the official story is to only expect them to release trivial works of navel gazing philosophy now and then.

Nobody has found things which surely must have existed like dictionaries of Egyptian and Carthaginian as how could Rome or Egypt or anywhere be a regional power without any basic language reference for scribes and scholars to work from?

So a while ago, the process of unrolling these scrolls carefully was nearly perfected. And more recently, the process of reading them without unrolling them at all was perfected.

And still it seems, they only go very slowly, indicating that the whole enterprise is bottlenecked through a very small number of scholars. Why would you do that other than to screen everything first? Why screen everything first if not to hide some things?

Genghis was much less of a barbarian than most people think. If you surrendered quickly he would not loot your city, which is more than can be said for most Leaders of the time. His troops were tightly organized and showed excellent strategy, tactics, and logistics. He made good use of war engines...this was not a ragged rabble.

He was tolerant of all religions and exempted them from tax, as well as bringing “wise men” from every culture to his court. He established the world’s first long-distance postal system. And he was more into collecting fine art, texts, and treasures than destroying them: meaning his tomb would probably be filled to the rafters with priceless booty, sourced everywhere from Moscow to Beijing to Persia and the whole Silk Road too.

As well as every man woman or child who witnessed or partook in his burial.

Lol yeah probably.
I read when he died it was way out in Siberia somewhere and they didn’t want the news to get back to Mongolia soon or there would be chaos. So his sons ordered he death of “every living thing” on 100 km of either side of the road they used to transport the body.

Although the story of Atlantis was an allegory for the might of Athens (not for all the Greeks since they were not a single nation state back then but rather a number of city-states and kingdoms, each state or kingdom would look only themselves and maybe their colonies), it had some truth in it, since there was a city in the Corinthian gulf called Helike that totally sunk by an earthquake during the lifetime of Plato, probably inspiring his tale. Some argue that the myth might have to do with the Thera island (known nowadays as Santorini) but the idea that they would remember a thing that took place ages before the Ancient Greek dark ages period (aka fall of the Mycenaean civilization) is probably an exaggeration.

The “sea peoples“ of the Bronze Age collapse!

Last Edited by Ordovician on 07/13/2020 03:16 PM

Greek myth mentions Athens as a tributary of Crete, see the story of the Minotaur. So i doubt Plato would mistake any of those pre-Mycenean civilizations for Atlantis.

if you are looking for knowledge only on paper you are looking in the wrong place

You said that you are a historian specifically in Greek history so you can fully understand Greek language is that correct?

If you are burning books and libraries you aren’t exactly on the road to harmonic ascension, either.

That's white supremacy !

I'm pretty sure in one of my earlier posts I mentioned that the Greeks were a bronze age group of tribes

Of course they were not 1 distinct people but a group of tribes

Using the term Greek is just all-encompassing

Definitely no, I don't think that Plato would mix up Atlantis with any of the pre-Mycenean civilizations (Minoan or Minyan) but it is possible that the destruction of Helike was an inspiration for his Atlantis story.

There are different dialects of Greek but yes I can read Greek

Same thing happening now
Can’t bear it
Read as much as you can
While you can

Then why the roundabout way talking about Egyptian sources ? I agree with the other poster though, too. It is a political allegory aimed at uniting Greeks against the common foe in the West, Carthage.

Of course they were a group of tribes. After all a nation is exactly that, a group of people usually speaking the same language or dialects of the same language, having probably a genetic affinity, having the same religion and beliefs and a common denominator of a common history. Greece was and is a very difficult place to live in since it is mountainous and with few fertile lands for growing food or herding animals, thus it was impossible to have a central point of governance and the city-states and kingdoms would fight each other for controlling these resources or the sea routes that were vital for their survival.

Thera (Santorini) fits Plato's description of a circular (atol) harbor and the Antlanteans were probably the Minoans,,,who's ancientness wasn't that long given oral history time distances, just 1000-1200 years prior and still told of. The waves made it to Egypt.

Epicurianism is very close to Chinese Taoism, NOT summed up as a "life of pleasure" or food enjoying. But that might be a result... It's a life in harmony with Nature and it introduced Atomic theory, said that atoms have tendencies it is best to cooperate with, not battle. It said you are wasting your time feeling self conscious and self judging according to someone else's concept of reality or purpose. It said that life was it's own purpose.

Lots of what we have left of the Greeks was preserved by the early Muslims. In Muslim Spain there was an effort to translate the remaining works, and clerics of 3 religions worked together sometimes to get a result in Latin, later discovered by Medieval document hunters. That's why we got Lucretius the foremost Epicurian poet. That launched The Enlightenment. For awhile the only place in the world to get an education was Baghdad. (I learned that from my dad in the 60s who was a Shriner and a Goldwater Republican)

NASA lost the moon landing information!

Only time man went somewhere. Oops!


Our bad!