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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14566115 United States 07/13/2020 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "evil" socialism and communism Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79142706 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I can do that as well! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55303780 United States 07/13/2020 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In short: it was not so bad, especially not in ex-Yugoslavia (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia...), soft version, all the rest were on the hard version but still not so bad as it is represented in the West. Right, Croatia? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72877847 It is not worth explaining, because in capitalism people are much more brainwashed! We now live in a much sicker society than before ... Za Slovenca na našem... Odrekli smo se nekih ideala, prigrlili novac i pohlepu, razdjelili i popljačkali sve, te danas u svijetu nismo nitko i ništa tako da svaki "pametni" Amer i naš prodan čovjek može pljunuti na ono vrijeme i društvo! Tko nam kriv, nego mi sami! Kada ne cijeniš tko si i što si bio , tada i zaslužuješ da budeš sluga ;) Indeed....thank you! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79143378 Morocco 07/13/2020 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they'll blame capitalism however all the -isms are either rockefeller or rothschild built. ftr you never had capitalism, you have crony capitalism and nepotism it's all lies, only they mix in a little truth, which by definition is deception |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78153080 United States 07/13/2020 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communism felt like a kindergarten - the supervisors ensured that people got their bland but regular meals (both literally and figuratively), that they were taken care of and properly educated. The news was filtered - make-believe positivity... rose-coloured glasses... lullabies. As in any kindergarten, we were constantly watched, disciplined and reprimanded. Individuality was not encouraged, was thought to be a frivolity. And the door to the outer world was safely locked. Quoting: Enigmatta Honestly I can see how this would be appealing to some people. I wouldn't have felt this way in the past but after time spent studying human psychology I can see the class in our animal drives. Still I want a society where everything is clean, tidy, and up to codes. I don't want a communism where everything goes to shit because nobody takes care of their shit. Where I live versus an Indian reservation where everything is trashed. |
The Semi Shut In
User ID: 79089122 United States 07/13/2020 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When my fathers step sister came to the U.S to visit from an Iron Curtain country he took her to a supermarket and when she saw the meat counter she was dumbstruck and asked pop, "Where are the guards?" He then showed her the pet food aisle. Get on Talk Radio and tell your stories. Sometimes I'm in the world but not of it and Sometimes I'm of the world but not in it. |
Kagnimir User ID: 78589715 Poland 07/13/2020 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.bruegel.org (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78153080 United States 07/13/2020 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Festus Hoggbottom So, what was it like? Are things today in the US strangely familiar? What comes next? Communism was great for a certain kind of people. People who are content with what they have and enjoy the simpler things in life. They had their basic needs covered, basic entertainment, a simple apartment, family, simple holidays, a stable non-stressful job. It was an easy life. But for others it was boring, it offered too little. These people wanted consumerism and Western fun as they saw it in the movies. Some of these stories make me want communism. I am not satisfied by western consumerism and find it too shallow and the women unattractive because of it. You can't please everyone I guess. Yes, it was great for some but you have to understand which period was great. Communism had three "ages": - tense youth -> when communism was imposed with brutal force, destroyed many people and caused chaos in societies - stable adulthood -> this is when communism was firmly in control and societies back to stable; this is when all those who regret communism were born and lived their youthful years, and they loved it, that's why they still have fond memories - decrepit old age -> when the economic crisis destroyed it, when basic goods were rationed, people had to wait in long lines, everything came crashing down and new chaos unleashed in societies etc. Basically all forms of government to through cycles of growth and decay then because of human nature....young people always want to do it differently than their elders no matter what, which leads to change for the sake of change, until the change ends up collapsing the system. People don't really know what is in their best interests in the end...they just act on animal drives and urges. Same shit, different generation. |
Dalek Uno User ID: 79143386 Germany 07/13/2020 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Visited the GDR as a child right after the wall fell. The place was run down, but other than that we visited museums and such, not much different than in the West. I bought a book about German and Slavic fairy-tales and legends there too. They were big on that i think, didn't have much other past-times available. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78731861 United States 07/13/2020 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communism felt like a kindergarten - the supervisors ensured that people got their bland but regular meals (both literally and figuratively), that they were taken care of and properly educated. The news was filtered - make-believe positivity... rose-coloured glasses... lullabies. As in any kindergarten, we were constantly watched, disciplined and reprimanded. Individuality was not encouraged, was thought to be a frivolity. And the door to the outer world was safely locked. Quoting: Enigmatta Honestly I can see how this would be appealing to some people. I wouldn't have felt this way in the past but after time spent studying human psychology I can see the class in our animal drives. Still I want a society where everything is clean, tidy, and up to codes. I don't want a communism where everything goes to shit because nobody takes care of their shit. Where I live versus an Indian reservation where everything is trashed. Start from yourself. You can affect people around you, trash is everywhere. Sometimes I clean my street with few plastic bags. Trying to pick up trash and throw it in trash can. One person can change the world. Our problem is that we always blame others and don't want to change anything about ourselves. My best weapon is respect, people are not going to listen to a mad man, who hates everything and everyone. You have power in your hands to change people around you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75060351 United States 07/13/2020 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't live in one, but I did visit East Berlin while it was still Communist. It was very quiet, and no one wore loud colors. In fact the only bright colors you really saw while walking around were the red and yellow on the East German flag. Red was the only noticeable color in an art exhibit that I visited. The East Germans I met secretly told me, "Better dead than Red." But the West Germans were busy rioting, overturning Mercedes Benz cars and setting them on fire, and yelling, "Better Red than dead." I enjoyed visiting East Berlin because it was so quiet and calm, but I wasn't trying to live there. I remember admiring the fact that they had free health care, and everyone was apparently employed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78731861 United States 07/13/2020 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When my fathers step sister came to the U.S to visit from an Iron Curtain country he took her to a supermarket and when she saw the meat counter she was dumbstruck and asked pop, "Where are the guards?" Quoting: The Semi Shut In He then showed her the pet food aisle. Get on Talk Radio and tell your stories. I moved here in 2002. And I remember how I went to walmart for the first time, it was like a museum for me lol. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78287641 United States 07/13/2020 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My polish landlord loves the US as patriotic as anyone. He lived under Iron Curtain in extreme poverty. He started out in America as a carpenter made enough to buy some land. When his family came over they built houses on the property and today he owns 50 different houses. |
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Enigmatta
User ID: 22529338 Bulgaria 07/13/2020 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communism felt like a kindergarten - the supervisors ensured that people got their bland but regular meals (both literally and figuratively), that they were taken care of and properly educated. The news was filtered - make-believe positivity... rose-coloured glasses... lullabies. As in any kindergarten, we were constantly watched, disciplined and reprimanded. Individuality was not encouraged, was thought to be a frivolity. And the door to the outer world was safely locked. Quoting: Enigmatta Honestly I can see how this would be appealing to some people. I wouldn't have felt this way in the past but after time spent studying human psychology I can see the class in our animal drives. Still I want a society where everything is clean, tidy, and up to codes. I don't want a communism where everything goes to shit because nobody takes care of their shit. Where I live versus an Indian reservation where everything is trashed. This is perfectly understandable. Everyone longs to feel sheltered. And we were sheltered indeed, to such an extent that when I first visited a Western country in September 1989, it was an utter shock. The store windows along Oxford St., the stacks of exotic fruits at supermarkets... wow! And then, my second day in London. As I walk towards the tube station at Marble Arch, I see a gaunt one-legged man begging, a sign on his chest "Please help, spare some money for medicine". So I give him 50p, turn around the corner where the stairs are, lean on the wall and start crying. Was sobbing with tears. Passers by asked me if I was OK. Will never forget this. Today, Bulgaria is the same as the UK back then - despair is a way of life for some. Maybe this is why we're having huge protests as I type. We're about to topple the government and I'm joining the crowds in an hour or so. A futile attempt to revive what was once. Probably won't succeed. The world has entered a new era, new Zeitgeist. The ones who were dancing were thought to be crazy by those who didn't hear the music. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25913826 United States 07/13/2020 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Got to visit family in an eastern bloc country several times during the Cold War. A lot of what you see now with covid you saw back then. Example: going into a Cold War era “department store”. You lined up behind counters to look at an item you were interested in. Different floors of the store had limits as to how many people could go there. The employees, while not wearing masks, all wore these cheap looking aprons in every department, the same color blue as the mouth diapers everyone is currently wearing. The media was controlled in one direction, just like here. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76192420 Slovenia 07/13/2020 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no and never was any communist country. Only socialist countries with the communist parties in charge. Big difference. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72877847 I beg to differ because communists control your life right down to your education and choose of work. F... them, I don't like them, but it was not so bad, soft version here in ex-Yugoslavian Slovenia. All was mostly free and free travels anywhere out of country. Anyway, your US current First Lady was into that too, she is obviously fine. Hi from Slovenia. well I have a friend ... a doctor ... formerly from Albania... and fled there when USA fucked up her communist country..... she liked it there.. she was told she would become a doctor and did... When she was told to set up the Albania's online medical system and she did... despite no experience. When the USA Fucked it up .. she fled for safety to Canada with her daughters and husband... and retired not as a doctor... but working in a medical billing department in a hospital.... so much for free Canada... just an interesting story... Her country was stable until the USA whacked it up Your friend must have lied to you because USA never interfered into Albania's business. At least not to the extend that it would be fatal for the country. Idk I might be wrong but I tend to believe I know history of my region pretty good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25913826 United States 07/13/2020 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communism felt like a kindergarten - the supervisors ensured that people got their bland but regular meals (both literally and figuratively), that they were taken care of and properly educated. The news was filtered - make-believe positivity... rose-coloured glasses... lullabies. As in any kindergarten, we were constantly watched, disciplined and reprimanded. Individuality was not encouraged, was thought to be a frivolity. And the door to the outer world was safely locked. Quoting: Enigmatta Honestly I can see how this would be appealing to some people. I wouldn't have felt this way in the past but after time spent studying human psychology I can see the class in our animal drives. Still I want a society where everything is clean, tidy, and up to codes. I don't want a communism where everything goes to shit because nobody takes care of their shit. Where I live versus an Indian reservation where everything is trashed. Many communist or former communist nations are environmental catastrophes. China, Russia etc. Lots of incidents covered up. Watch the Chernobyl hbo mininseries. When I visited eastern bloc nations when I was younger, one of the things I remember the most is how grey and drab everything was. This sense of crumbling from within. It wasn’t clean and modern. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada 07/13/2020 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My parents and grandparents did. They fled the moment they could. My grandparents told me how communism rose and took hold. They first made promises to the youth that equality and fairness would be guaranteed. That the divide between the rich and the poor would be removed and that everyone would have everything they would need. Once the communists took power the first thing they did was slaughter all the most vocal and outgoing people (no matter if they were for or against communism). After a few years the rich got richer and poor got poorer and the middle class vanished. Corruption and top level networking reigned supreme. You had no rights. Not even to food or shelter. When the people complained about all the promises they made that never came true, they were killed. That made everyone else shut up and keep quiet. Those that could escape and run away, did. Those that couldnt, died. |
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Seer777
Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79139322 United States 07/13/2020 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truly excellent thread. Thank you to everyone that contributed. Wish I had more to add but thought this post echoed some posts here.. You think he is still sore about the effect our grocery store, had on Yeltsin? Quoting: Seer777 This day in History On this day 27 yrs ago Boris Yeltsin Left the communist party after visiting a grocery store in Miami. [link to imgur.com (secure)] Whoa!!!!! I never read about that before. The damn liberal press kept this hidden and people need to know the truth. I worked with a Russian who recently came to the U.S. in the 80s. He said he literally thought what he saw here was a show for appearances sake but couldn't understand how we pulled it off until he said slowly realized it was not a show and that was just America. Murica baby! I thought so too. :) I can only imagine. Thanks for sharing. Top comment from the link recalls of your story as well: I immigrated to the US after being raised in USSR and Cuba, I remember my parents crying the first time we went in to a grocery store ~Dsoir Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580604 United States 07/13/2020 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78965170 It felt far, far less communist (in the negative sense of the word) than either Canada or USA today, however. That's because we're in the destabilization phase. Where they pump up the useful idiots to tear down statues and destroy the "four olds." Once the "revolution" is over, the Antifa/BLM types are ruthlessly crushed because they present a threat to the new order. How long does this phase last? In China you had the first phase which was extended civil war followed by ham-handed collectivism. Then to cover up the massive failure of the that (“the Great Leap Forward”), they had the cultural revolution, which was about 10 years. In “classical” communist systems like the USSR or China you have revolution proper (armies, guns, civil war), then the first implementation phase, where everything is fucked up and millions die of starvation (great leap forward, Stalin’s de-Kulakization efforts). Then you have a second period of ideological hysteria (Cultural rev, Stalinist purges). Then comes the long road back to “sanity,” which might take 3 or 4 decades to plop you down in a milder but still unpleasant form of insantity. Then there are places like Cambodia, where the whole process gets compressed into 5-10 years and half the population dies. Great. SO glad I just bought a house way out in the woods, with plenty of game and water and land. |
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RomanianGuy
User ID: 79139148 Romania 07/13/2020 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: RomanianGuy Communism was great for a certain kind of people. People who are content with what they have and enjoy the simpler things in life. They had their basic needs covered, basic entertainment, a simple apartment, family, simple holidays, a stable non-stressful job. It was an easy life. But for others it was boring, it offered too little. These people wanted consumerism and Western fun as they saw it in the movies. Some of these stories make me want communism. I am not satisfied by western consumerism and find it too shallow and the women unattractive because of it. You can't please everyone I guess. Yes, it was great for some but you have to understand which period was great. Communism had three "ages": - tense youth -> when communism was imposed with brutal force, destroyed many people and caused chaos in societies - stable adulthood -> this is when communism was firmly in control and societies back to stable; this is when all those who regret communism were born and lived their youthful years, and they loved it, that's why they still have fond memories - decrepit old age -> when the economic crisis destroyed it, when basic goods were rationed, people had to wait in long lines, everything came crashing down and new chaos unleashed in societies etc. Basically all forms of government to through cycles of growth and decay then because of human nature....young people always want to do it differently than their elders no matter what, which leads to change for the sake of change, until the change ends up collapsing the system. People don't really know what is in their best interests in the end...they just act on animal drives and urges. Same shit, different generation. Yes, pretty much. It's both a generational divide and a difference in the way people's characters are built. Some people are satisfied with what they have provided they have stability and predictability in their lives. Others are always dissatisfied and want more and they enjoy instability and risk-taking. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77192746 United States 07/13/2020 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All my life, I'm posting from North Korea, I would never want to set foot into capitalistic country, here everything is free Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78592066 Yeah Right .. didn't at least a million starve to death there back in the 1990s? Dare to not literally worship their "god" leaders, and you will disappear. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78731861 United States 07/13/2020 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All my life, I'm posting from North Korea, I would never want to set foot into capitalistic country, here everything is free Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78592066 Yeah Right .. didn't at least a million starve to death there back in the 1990s? Dare to not literally worship their "god" leaders, and you will disappear. That guy is a troll. People from N Korea have no access to internet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34791511 United States 07/13/2020 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69775015 Some of these stories make me want communism. I am not satisfied by western consumerism and find it too shallow and the women unattractive because of it. You can't please everyone I guess. Yes, it was great for some but you have to understand which period was great. Communism had three "ages": - tense youth -> when communism was imposed with brutal force, destroyed many people and caused chaos in societies - stable adulthood -> this is when communism was firmly in control and societies back to stable; this is when all those who regret communism were born and lived their youthful years, and they loved it, that's why they still have fond memories - decrepit old age -> when the economic crisis destroyed it, when basic goods were rationed, people had to wait in long lines, everything came crashing down and new chaos unleashed in societies etc. Basically all forms of government to through cycles of growth and decay then because of human nature....young people always want to do it differently than their elders no matter what, which leads to change for the sake of change, until the change ends up collapsing the system. People don't really know what is in their best interests in the end...they just act on animal drives and urges. Same shit, different generation. Yes, pretty much. It's both a generational divide and a difference in the way people's characters are built. Some people are satisfied with what they have provided they have stability and predictability in their lives. Others are always dissatisfied and want more and they enjoy instability and risk-taking. You forgot one. People who are always dissatisfied and want more and want to steal it from everyone else through lies and deceit. It’s called Communism. Also known as Socialism. Also known as Bolshevism. Also known as Satanism. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77192746 United States 07/13/2020 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All my life, I'm posting from North Korea, I would never want to set foot into capitalistic country, here everything is free Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78592066 Yeah Right .. didn't at least a million starve to death there back in the 1990s? Dare to not literally worship their "god" leaders, and you will disappear. That guy is a troll. People from N Korea have no access to internet. I know. Keep in mind N Korea was heavily subsidized by the Soviet Union until it collapsed in the late 1980s. Communist China had not yet ramped up it's quasi (slave) "capitalism". N Koreans literally were reduced to eating grass to survive until China was able to pumped them back up. Smaller communist countries (that have few natural resources) have to be subsized massively to even survive. |