How is Frank Zappa an Iconoclast when all his music sucks, it sucked from day 1 and it sucks now

Same goes for the Grateful Dead.

Laurel Canyon mind controlled kids of military/industrial complex...early version.

You can almost always find elements of atonality and doo wop influences in Zappa's music. Mix in some blues and a little jazz, and that's your basic Frank mix. Lyrically you can hear strands of Three Penny Opera and Kurt Weil/Brecht. It's not for everyone, but there's one track that really stands out and it's, "Peaches En Regalia." It stands out because he never did another song that remotely sounded like it. Zappa's tunes are often caustic, bitter, cynical and darkly humorous--but not "Peaches" which manages to be triumphal, even though Frank was being patently kitsch.

As a guitarist he's amazing. Shut up and play your guitar is a masterpiece. Each song contains the licks of multiple songs. Also as a rock and roll character and the inspiration and training he provided to other artists spun off multiple genres.

Neither did drugs.

The only way the Dead can be truly understood is on acid. I know this for a fact. I was a punk rock kid and I hated the Dead. One night on a rooftop party in SF, we dosed and some dude had bootleg live tape on and bang! I got it. I still never liked them much after that, but at least I understood the spell at some chemical level.

Yes Frank Zappa's music sucked.
That was the point, he made it sound bad like pointless wondering jazz.
Its unsettling and unpleasant.
That was the point, the message was unsettling and unpleasant.
Joe's garage was released in 1979 and contained the song Catholic girls.
The song criticized the hypocrisy of the church and rampant sexual deviation inside it.
An example line is "Father Riley's a fairy but it don't bother Mary".
This was years before all the scandals were popularized about the clergy and their mistreatment of children.

I am coming over shortly

Because I am a portly.

never really listened to him..

no opinion..

must be too young..

never cared for most of the 70's stuff..

punk/industrial more my style growing up in mid=80's

He has a song on "Freak Out" called, "Ritual Dance of the Child-Killer>'

100% Agree
Shut up and Play Your Guitar is incredible

You’re entitled to your opinion, I disagree though.

I'd say the " Lather " set is a great place to start for anyone who's interested what Frank's art was all about .

He took on the suits and torn them a new one .

His releases of his live material also genius move .

Shut up and play your guitar was a masterpiece and Zappa a guitar master. His training of people like Steve Vai spawned new genres. No musician would agree with you.

Frank was a dual Citizen.

He was C_I Child, and a Cult Icon - facilitated by the C_I.

He may have went Rogue, or may have been pretending. Still history may point this out. Still a story.

Naval Intelligence, Deep State,


and Laurel Canyon



go research OP

the whole rock and roll hippie movement was poison and mostly a waste of time distraction perfectly designed

OP is shallow, unperceptive, and unimaginative. An obvious liberal dipshit.

We mock that which we don not understand OP.

One of my favorite musical interactions ever:

Mike as Frank (to "Mike") - "Like your Monkey's music which appears to be banal and insipid"

Mike as Frank (to "Mike") - "No, you're a popular musician and I'm dirty, gross and ugly.

He was an "Iconoclast" in regards to good music.

it wasn't the acid that made you "get them", it's that you allowed yourself go dive into the depths that the grateful dead provides. i bet some of the lyrics rang some bells for you that night. it wasn't the acid, in the big picture.

Long time fan, I agree, can bring a tear to your eye, the guitar is so mournful.

I dunno he’s ugly and not funny

it isn't what he did it is WHO he is!

Oops, love that tune, but The guitar solo I was referring to is Water Mellon In Easter Hay :

[link to m.youtube.com (secure)]

Most of his music sucks, agreed.
Kind of suspect that he is the son of a military guy and lived in Laurel Canyon.

But he made a few really good albums.
His band during the Roxy era is one of the best band ever.