COVID-19 - Refuting the narrative (Updated with many more links pg 4)

Just removed a post for going against the thread rules; however, I thought it appropriate to respond anyway.

I don’t care if Trump, Ghandi, or Jesus himself stated that posting something counter to the current narrative is a “disservice.” The true disservice is for any “official” not entertaining both sides of the debate, and then taking reasoned actions to combat this thing after weighing it all and informing us as to why (with very supportable and transparent reasoning). Actions that do not kill our economy in the process. And there are many “experts” in this world - some are more “expert” than others in their chosen fields, and sometimes the teevee doesn’t tell you who they are, or what they have to say. Granted, not every post on this thread will cite “highly credentialed scientists,” but I do intend to keep it relevant. I’ve also learned over my years that many times the most publicly lauded “experts” are not always the most reliable voices (for a variety of reasons). Hence the thread.

In that regard, If the “officials” are only considering one side of “The Science” while drafting policy, and others are only considering what they’re fed by an obviously corrupt media(still) while cheering them on, it is up to US to inform them of the other side. That is what this thread is about - The Other Side of the Debate.

So, go fuck around somewhere else. Deleted poster.

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Publication: American Greatness - [link to amgreatness.com (secure)]

Author: Julie Kelly - [link to amgreatness.com (secure)]

Cited Sources: Anthony Fauci


Article: The “Fatal Conceit” of Dr. Fauci

Snippet: More than four months after abruptly saying goodbye to the daily life we once knew, Americans still live in a surreal and virus-induced dystopia. Summer, essentially, has been canceled: no big family weddings, no trips abroad, no open public beaches and pools, no baseball. Tens of millions remain out of work while small businesses close up shop, permanently altering the landscape of big cities and small towns across the country. Mini Gestapo populated by once-friendly neighbors police face coverings and six feet of separation.

Power-grabbing, attention-addicted governors hog local news cameras each day under the guise of “Coronavirus Update!” to riff about their keen abilities to fight a virus or spew invective at Donald Trump or issue another decree to inflict further misery upon their willing subjects.

As school children and their parents anxiously check email boxes for any update about the fall semester and working parents with small children are scrambling to develop backup plans for online learning, Democrats are pushing hard to keep kids and teachers at home—at least until Election Day.

Link to full article: [link to amgreatness.com (secure)]

An Australian tard posted a thread a while back regarding Worldometer and its ownership. It was actually well done but was subsequently deleted for whatever reason as the shills attacked the OP relentlessly.

In that thread the OP could find not a single source to verify who the current owner(s) of Worldometer are and furthermore they couldn’t find a single source that could link any names to the sites alleged academic researchers and volunteers.

The thread went up in early March hand since then I too have hit walls at every corner trying to ascertain just who currently owns and admins the site. There is simply no publicly available information anywhere to be found.

Just thought I’d add this here, great thread by the way.

Thanks for posting! Relevant, and will be allowed to stand. I would love to see any other info you manage to find on this subject.

BTW, if anyone sees a post from me at least that is worthy of a thread in itself (and there are at least a couple on page 1), feel free! I don’t have the time to manage much more than this one, and will not be offended.

OP - GREAT THREAD - the MSM want to control the narrative and we need a grassroots resistance...otherwise they win

Its critical that we unite and stand together for our inalienable rights. If we dont then we we will have nothing left but servitude

Thanks. Agreed.

The Event 201 people convened a Working Group on Readying Populations for COVID-19 Vaccine. There are two reps from In-Q-Tel (CIA) listed as members. Pharma industry crossover too. They are laying out the plans already for tricking people into taking the vaccine. These include delivering the vaccine in every location imaginable including churches and workplaces; and bundling it with food handouts that many people rely on to survive.

They also plan to employ all the classic PR strategies, especially use of seemingly neutral third parties, from national to local organizations, to promote the approved messages. They will create the appearance that the vaccine is a little scarce so that people feel more urgently they should go get it when it’s available.

And they will flip the fact that blacks are overwhelmingly reluctant to get the vaccine (according to the Group 75% say they won’t) by trying to portray the health care system as racist through its neglect of blacks, and getting the boule types to encourage their flocks to demand the vaccine as their right.

Finally they will continue the war on wrongthink using all forms of media:

“Seeding the communication landscape with beneficial, personally meaningful narratives to keep potentially harmful information from taking root and spreading is an important strategy to counter misinformation while other effective countermeasures are developed. Other proposed interventions include “inoculating” vulnerable audiences with messages that effectively counter a misinformed argument before the argument is sent, correcting misinformation directly to interrupt propagation of that message, and tasking social media sites to alter their algorithms, promote trustworthy sources,
and censor false information and misinformation. There is, however, no singular best practice for counteracting misinformation; multiple approaches are needed.”

TASKING social media sites… thanks In-Q-Tel for being clear on who’s running this “democracy”.

[link to www.centerforhealthsecurity.org (secure)]

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Donald Trump March 9: "There seems to be a Leftist trope that the Covid19 is a “hoax.” You do a disservice by spreading fake information."

Someone asked 2 weeks ago for fake mask photos of the 1918 pandemic.

I think this one is very fake if you study the shadows closely.
[link to eveningreport.nz (secure)]

First photo here: Medical staff and workers in Surry Hills, Sydney, in April 1919, looks very staged.
Second photo: why do all turn away from the photoghrafer?
Third photo: Workers wait to use the ‘inhalatorium’ at Kodak’s Melbourne factory in 1919. Tough guys.
[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

High fashion:
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The Doctors mask and stick:
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I will leave this here, allowing others to comment if they wish. That said, refer to my post above (Page 2) for my position on it.

I will vote Trump because to do otherwise is to seal this country’s fate to the Communist corruptible DNC (and our foreign enemies by extension); however, I’ve never thought he was perfect. And if he turns out to be yet another henchman of the planned apocalypse, I will hold him in similar regard to every other traitor to this country.

I don’t believe that to be the case (Today), but if proven wrong, I will attack him with equal fervor.

Not exactly in the format I was hoping for, but interesting. Will allow to stand.

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Thanks! Please contribute! After posting the first, it’s really easy to do. And it’s pretty interesting delving a little into the people you’re citing. By doing it this way, we learn (and retain) so much more.

Please follow the format if/when you contribute and at least attempt to make sense. Otherwise your post will be deleted.

That is a fact of life. They only believe the propaganda come out of the black box on the wall. Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, Jennings etc etc are their experts. Taught what to think and not how to think.

2014 Obama administration ends dangerous and risky chimeric research.
2017 Chimeric research approved by the Trump admin. Ratified by most of the worlds virology community, all of them funded by governments. AIDS/HIV study their #1 priority for 40 years. Adequate risk assessments not performed on involved labs or dangers.
2017 Chimeric and bioengineering research starts or continues at labs and research institutions/universities worldwide on a collaborative basis. World Health Organisation oversees. Fauci lead scientist. Wants China involved in collaboration. Invests 7 million to upgrade safety protocols and procedures at known to leak Wuhan level 2 lab.
2019 At Wuhan Bat corona messenger virus is bioengineered/gained to make it superinfectious. AIDS/HIV spikes message virus chimerically attached to the underlying corona. Tested on humanised lab animals for AIDS vaccine research.
12/2019 "novel" created virus escapes containment at Wuhan Virological institute probably onboard asymptomatic technician carrier. Unusual disease outbreak noted in Wuhan city by hospital staff. Medical staff track it back to the vicinity of food market, located 200 meters from China CDC building. Panic, coverup, disinformation campaign starts. Quarantine and contact tracing attempted. Not effective.
01/2020 Draconian quarantines and emergency hospitals erected in Wuhan. Preliminary studies indicate low death rate but super spiker infection rate, asymptomatic spread, and large part of population "T" cell immune. WHO aware. PRC army general destroys all evidence and disappears all scientists at Wuhan.
02/2020 WHO recognizes inevitable worldwide spread, recommends spot quarantines to the slow the flow, not economic shutdowns or travel restrictions. WHO provides cover stories for the leak. Fauci in agreement. Politicians identify political risk at not being proactive so slow the spread and this morphs into trying to stop the inevitable spread. Compromised Fauci flipflops and agrees. CDC original estimated death toll in US 37,000 based on Wuhan figures. Stanford epidemis agree based on all available case studies. CDC changes numbers so that they don't look like fools for authorizing the lockdowns and try to silence Stanford, Indian virologists and other medical professionals with differing truthful statements. CDC lends credence to inflated and obviously faulty statistical studies and compromised death certifications. Fosters ludicrous zoonotic origins. Politicians not wanting to be blamed for one covid death increase restrictions to the level of idiocy. Sensationalist agenda driven media panic the population. Panic control 101 suggests keeping populace busy and engaged and less fearful ie practice social distancing, feel good masks etc etc.
03/2020 Peak death rate occurs in early and hardest hit cosmopolitan NYC. Rate follows spike curve and returns to zero at present, herd immunity achieved.Death rate in population under 14 infinitesimal and linked to comorbidity. Virus continues inevitable spread through the hinterlands and less congested areas of the country.
Political agendas rule over science and common sense. Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Besser maintain policy of disinformation, deflection, obfuscation in all media appearances. Birx always deflects to the data on mitigation. There is never a question on causality, or virus sequence. Epidemiologists should have been in charge, not viros. Surgeon General, an honorable and honest man true to his oath, cant stand it anymore and goes awol. Approaching herd immunity has them in a panic because it would reveal their faulty analyses and true low virulence of the disease.. They push to rush out a vaccine to cover their tracks, which is the same messenger virus creation in injectable format and supposedly tested and attenuated correctly. Call it for what it is COVID20, or COVID19 lite.
The attempt, so far largely successful, to coverup the causality and reality of the failure of containment at Wuhan is why we are in our present predicament. The actual damage from the disease and the exponentially more damaging, pointless, and unscientific lockdowns, ensuing civil strife, huge economic cost, deaths and dislocations can be attributed largely to the decisions of one eminent scientist.
I have been following this fiasco continuously since early January when it came across my radar screen as a potentially serious threat. There are a thousand links. Dont ask for them as I am not about to spoon feed anyone.
I am ultra qualified to follow and evaluate the evidence. Use my analysis as a filter to evaluate anything and everything you have been presented by the Government scientists and shills.. A discerning individual will spot the propaganda and agendas of the disinformers and misinformers. It is not difficult. If the OP has any questions ask them. If the OP thinks this post is conspiracy theory and not conspiracy fact then delete it.

Don't know if this has been posted.

study on asymptomatic carriers. zero infected.


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Interesting. Again, nothing is cited, which would normally cause me to delete this. As I said earlier though, this thread is about refuting the narrative with well sourced info that others can verify, and I don’t really care where that leads us. So, if your contention is that the Trump Admin is somehow involved as well, let’s talk about it; however, please provide some links as we progress if possible.

I too have followed this thing since the beginning, and am equally interested in all of the “moving parts,” so maybe we can enhance each other’s knowledge on this entire sordid mess. First, your info above is accurate to the extent that I can tell, but I don’t believe entirely complete.

So, my questions are as follows:

- who drafted, implemented and oversees the robust and “supposed to be” highly critical P3CO guidance for the NIH when the moratorium for chimeric (gain of function) virus research was lifted? The actual guidance under which the moratorium was lifted. Who are the “overseers” under this new guidance? Trust the “scientists,” right?

- who advised the Trump Admin on reversing course? Or was the Obama era moratorium fixed for a certain period of time, allowing them to resume after a certain date (under these new guidelines for instance)? I don’t know the answer to this one (yet). Just curious if you do.

- who is behind EcoHealth Alliance, the “non-profit” that receives and directs funding part of this research, and why did they direct funds to a certain Level 2 lab (or Level 4 lab with serious concerns - debatable). One in Wuhan China suspected of releasing this virus on an unsuspecting population? Who is EcoHealth’s president?

- who is behind the Global Virome Project, an organization that touts Bill and Melinda Gates as significant contributors (Among others)? Who sits on their board, directing activities? What do they do, and how involved with EcoHealth Alliance are they? Who are their board members?

- why are the Rockerfellers also cited as significant contributors to this organization? Pretty sure that Soros is too, but have not yet found the link.

- who exactly comprises “Partners in Health,” and why are they so heavily involved in Funding various contract tracing programs around the globe and in the US?

- who is behind Sanofi Pasteur, who funds them, and why are they so heavily involved in the development of a vaccine? What is Fauci’s relationship here?

- Why did one of their former VPs of Sanofi leave to go work for Wuxi AppTech, the Soros funded company that maintained offices at the Wuhan lab in question? A company that is also related to the former head of the CCP.

I have some others, but no time right now. Will check back later to see your responses, and maybe add a few others.

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BTW - I plan to continue adding info here as I find it, and hope that others will do the same, in the prescribed format; however, the above post is worthy of consideration and further discussion, so I will continue to dig about and respond to this poster. Others feel free to join if you have something to contribute.

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Some can be swayed. I’ve done it many times. Just have to try, and be credible while doing it.

Big Government, Group think, "We know what is best for you",

New world Order types are all implicated. Soros funds, Gates funds, Government funds, Clinton funds, and naturally massive government funding into all vaccine research primarily to eradicate AIDS. All of these organisations are connected, share board members, have common goals---public health and world health is one of them. Big pharma of course is involved as they want to sell you vaccines--that is what they do. Shady operators promising world class "contact tracing" capabilities are signing gigantic contracts all over the states, obvious graft. Follow the money when you cant figure out what is happening. The tight knit world virological community will never say a word. Vast majority of them work for the government or in government/charity funded institutions. There has been no discussion about the actual genetic sequence of this bug. Why. This would have been automatic under any other circumstance. None of these scientists ever discuss where the parts the virus came from or what is its actual physical makeup. They know what the make-up and purpose is, and do not want to have to lie in public, only to have the actual sequence revealed in the future. Liability issue. So it is not discussed. It is a massive ongoing coverup of the greatest science disaster in history. Would you own up to something like that. Fauci wont. His credibility, funding, world view, entire lifes work is at stake. Faith in science itself also at risk, due directly to big government, no debate, no alternative narrative, science. State run monopolies bring you this routinely. The health of you and your family is way down on their list of priorities. That health responsibility is yours, not Faucis, not Trumps, not Birx, not Pfizers, not some politician. They have their agendas--power and money.

As far as links go, I have read thousands of articles, studies, opinions, research papers, biographies, histories, watched many videos and interviews, studied the cast of characters etc etc. The information gleaned from these sources enters my brain and becomes evidence. The evidence supports conclusions. I have not kept a list of the multitudinous sources. 96 pages of blue lined sources and links is not going anywhere on this site. That is for a footnote section of a book.

Thinking that we agree on most of these issues; however, I’m not convinced that Trump is an integral part of it all (and I don’t believe that you think so either when you get down to it). That said, I do think it feasible that he went along with the lifting of the moratorium because at the time it seemed the right thing to do after listening to “the experts” and trusting that the new guidelines would be followed. This is why it is sooo important to identify and reference the players and moving parts. If Trump pops into that ever revolving paradigm, I will throw him under the proverbial bus as well; however, I simply haven’t seen it in all of the research I’ve completed.

When he became wise to the shell game, he started reversing course. Too little too late I think, but at least he has reversed course. Heard anything much from Fauci or Birx as of late? The fact that he put them on center stage, however, is a flaw and one of the primary reasons we are so screwed up today. But maybe he knew well before. Maybe he is allowing them the rope they need to hang themselves? Maybe this “issue” we face is so big, so enmeshed, so encompassing and corrupted, this was the only way to combat it...

That said, regarding the GOF research, what else would a non-scientist leader do when your own long-time established “experts” are in your ear about the subject weekly, and a host of other “experts” (who all stand to gain from the renewed GOF research they’re cheering) are constantly publishing pieces about the need. Interestingly, one would think Trump might have been praised for this decision, but nary a word from our “trusted media” after. In fact, to the contrary. Instead, hit pieces over the decision to lift this moratorium (and the very real related dangers) ensue. Wonder why?

In short, the related “scientific community” and many others are up to their eyeballs in shit on this thing as a result, and the only opportunity for justice will either be Trump continuing forward broadly exposing the scam and holding people accountable, or that enough of the affected people (US) finally tell them all to fuck off - with extreme prejudice if necessary. That second option won’t happen unless enough are properly informed; hence, the effort on this thread. Not everyone has the time to dig and cite sources, but it is vitally important if one wishes to form the debate and expose the weaknesses (and lies) of the other side.

Maybe someone will read our respective posts and do some digging themselves, and maybe that will birth an influential voice that has the power to change things, but until then, we must enlighten one mind at a time. Arming them to hopefully change the minds of those around them.

Great posts BTW! Thanks for contributing.

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Publication: FÉE.org - [link to fee.org (secure)]

Author: Jon Miltimore - [link to fee.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: Annals of Internal Medicine, Anthony Fauci, WHO

Study was “retracted” after this article was published. Read the comments of the authors post retraction though. Shenanigans?


Article: New Study Casts More Doubt on Effectiveness of Masks in Preventing COVID-19 Spread

Snippet: “ Millions of people are turning to masks in an effort to protect themselves from COVID-19, but new evidence suggests those efforts could be for naught.

Research published in the Annals of Internal Medicine last month found that both surgical and cloth masks proved ineffective in preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

UPDATE: The authors retracted this study based on the advice of the editors of Annals of Internal Medicine. Read the Notice of Retraction Here

Conducted by clinical researchers at several universities in Seoul, South Korea, the study involved four patients receiving medical care for COVID-19. (Previous studies researching the efficacy of masks examined transmission of other viruses.)

Unfortunately, the results were not encouraging.

“Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients,” researchers concluded. (Note: N95 respirators, which CDC Guidelines advise for medical personnel only, were not part of the test. You can read more about the study at Medical News Today.)”

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