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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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You lost me at 16 years go. Dude 2004 is like another century, gtfo!

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You lost me at 16 years go. Dude 2004 is like another century, gtfo!

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I still study virology on and off to this day in my free time.

The situation is not getting any better.


For example, AD-36, the obesity causing Adeno virus turned out to be an endogenous stem cell regulator that causes stem cells to mature into fat cells.

The virologists of the world wanted us to believe that AD-36 was an infectious organism and that obesity is a disease you get when a fat person coughs on you.

Total nonsense as usually from the pseudoscience of virology
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Hopefully the Coronavirus psyops will motivate people to look into the field of virology and see it for the farce it truly is!
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Thanks OP.


This is really interesting.


What is also interesting is that a lot of the 'symptoms' of coronavirus are also symptoms of certain nutritional deficiencies.

For example, loss of taste and smell are classic symptoms of zinc deficiency, and zinc is being used, along with a quinine to fight the virus. Does covid cause a sudden depletion of, or greater demand for, zinc in the body? Does a zinc deficiency contribute to the development of covid?


As well as causing scurvy, severe vitamin C deficiency causes 'viral' and bacterial pneumonia. Severe Provatella bacterium infection is frequently found in cases of covid. Aspirin destroys vitamin C in the body and most elderly are taking mini-aspirin, which keeps them in a state of clinical or sub-clinical scurvy. Those big bruises you see the elderly developjng are a symptom of scurvy.

Vitamin D deficiency causes a weakened immune system and most elderly are kept locked up indoors, away from the sun. The general population is largely vitamin D deficient, too.

Low selenium levels make 'viruses' virulent - or is it that a selenium deficient state causes the toxicity you are talking about? People used to get selenium from eggs, but for years we were told to avoid eggs because; muh, cholesterol, so many people are selenium deficient. Certain parts of China have very selenium deficient soil.

Some very interesting connections.



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The other interesting thing is that it turns out that many, if not most, of the deaths from Spanish Flu were actually due to asprin toxicity and aspirin induced scurvy!

When this was first suggested a few years ago it was ridiculed, but since then several researchers have found it to be true.
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Hopefully the Coronavirus psyops will motivate people to look into the field of virology and see it for the farce it truly is!
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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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What are your credentials to analyze the data and come to these conclusions?
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i was of very similar thought recently, the more i dive into viruses the more holes i find. since i started reading about HIV and saw how full of holes that was too

would love to know more bump
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Virology is a form of Artificial Intelligence. My Uncle who won a Nobel in Virology was actually doing more with AI, MK, and the Manhattan project him and my Dad worked on. Yet a third uncle also won a noble in Virology.

Most science is still pseudo Science, they know next to nothing about anything. What they do know they hide as long as possible.
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"Virus" is the name of these things they are seeing.
even they will tell you there's alot they don't understand about them.
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Am intrigued by the lack of understanding of illness- which is lumped on Viruses. Till date we know next to nothing about common cold. Absolutely disturbing that so many careers have been build on this deception and even more so that many lives have been lost needlessly.

"immune system response/ Overdrive" is the real reason.
Not a living organism.
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Am intrigued by the lack of understanding of illness- which is lumped on Viruses. Till date we know next to nothing about common cold. Absolutely disturbing that so many careers have been build on this deception and even more so that many lives have been lost needlessly.

"immune system response/ Overdrive" is the real reason.
Not a living organism.
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but, when they do have a success (which is rare)
it is usually pretty spectacular.
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i was of very similar thought recently, the more i dive into viruses the more holes i find. since i started reading about HIV and saw how full of holes that was too

would love to know more bump
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You lost me at 16 years go. Dude 2004 is like another century, gtfo!

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truth is truth...50 years ago, 30, or 10...

What are you saying you illogical moron.
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Ignore the trolls, most of these people are heavily vaccinated and have lost much of their reasoning ability. I've done something similar, but only over the past few years. Someone I know has been at this for 10+ years and has come to the same conclusion.

The only other input I'd add to your lucid post is that many of these 'diseases' are in-fact the result, as you said, of toxins; however, there is also the element of ionized free radicals that seem to pop up in almost every known 'symptom' of every known disease.

Many studies have proven the formation of free radicals causes the body to respond to expel them, thus forming these endogenous 'virus' particles which interact with the other cells to expel the excess electrons and restore the balance to the body.

In today's toxic, radio-active electric world, the body is bombarded constantly with unbalanced electrons that cause a disturbance in the Shumann Resonance, which the body needs to maintain homeostasis.

I've already written a thesis scientifically proving that the 'corona virus' is a fraud, although you're correct, all of the others are as well. Pasteur defrauded his journals, as was proven in the 1990's when Harvard finally released them after they were relinquished from the hands of his private family trust. He defrauded every last thing. Not a single experiment was legitimate. Unforuntately this fraud goes on to this day where 'scientists' use dubious methodology that eschews the scientific method to reach 'results' that are more inconclusive than inferred.

Almost all 'medical science' (science is a laughable term, really) relies on overly technical methodology and language to 'baffle them with BS', as the saying goes, and in-fact use protocols such as PCR which was only meant to copy DNA strands, yet have been erroneously applied to copy RNA strands, which result in even more cellular particles from the testing procedure itself. I believe many of these 'viruses' are indeed a direct result of the PCR testing procedure.

It is impossible for a technician to get even half of the DNA to 'rebuild' via reverse transcription or real-time PCR. Since the PCR uses many different factors: e.g. an RNA primer, a polymerase transciption, a DNA primer, the cycle amount, even the test itself; these will vary from lab to lab, and no lab will have the same result. In fact, as there is no 'positive' or 'negative' in a PCR test, there is only the number of cycles the lab tech decides to arbitrarily run PCR before it comes back 'positive' - which is what the virologists use as 'proof of virus'.

I've argued this and written a scathing rebuke arguing with an actual doctor on an amazon review and utterly destroyed him when he claimed the methodology was sound.

If you'd like to read it in full I'll post the link.
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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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What are your credentials to analyze the data and come to these conclusions?
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Asking for 'credentials' of a virologist is like asking for a witch doctor to show you his certificates. Does it really matter where he was certified?

Not a single 'disease' has been cured by them, in-fact people are more sick today than at any point in history, but the illogical morons repeatedly trust their 'credentials' over reason and evidence. No, 'polio' wasn't cured, it was renamed, but you keep running back to the frauds for more, because you want to believe.

There is a word for this kind of stupidity: Faith.

That's what you have. Faith in a priest. You don't follow science, you follow priests. There is zero empirical evidence for the existence of any communicable pathogenic virus.

Not a single one has ever been isolated, purified, proven to attack cells, replicate, and induce symptoms in any controlled laboratory environment. Instead what you'll find is pseudo-science masquerading under 'statistics' and supposition with the use of PCR, or antibody testing, en lieu of the actual 'virus' that they just can't seem to find. There sure that darned thing exists, but with every advancement in technology all they've managed to find are scraps of inert protein RNA that are incapable of causing infection or illness, that they claim are PART of a 'larger' virus.

Bologna, inside and out. You'd be better off asking for 'credentials' of a used car salesman, at least what he sells you will work for a few years.
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This is for the 1/1000 non mentally retarded, thinking people that might actually visit this forum:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

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It's all documented. It's all fraud. There are no 'viruses'.

There are only poisons.
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This is for the 1/1000 non mentally retarded, thinking people that might actually visit this forum:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

It's all documented. It's all fraud. There are no 'viruses'.

There are only poisons.
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Ah, also forgot to mention the Schussler Cell Salts.

An above poster was correct, deficiencies play a large role in making us ill. Our body is an electro-chemical organism, and when it's disturbed in one regard it can cause the body to become ill in an attempt to repair itself.

Cellular Biology proved as early as the 18060's that there are 12 cell salts that are necessary for the body to function properly.

This book:

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The Biochemic System of Medicine by George W. Carey, M.D. 1894

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The george carrey cell salt books you should be able to find free as they are in the public domain. He took the work of the german Schussler and expounded upon it in America.
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This is for the 1/1000 non mentally retarded, thinking people that might actually visit this forum:

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[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

It's all documented. It's all fraud. There are no 'viruses'.

There are only poisons.
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Right. Great points on the PCR!

And doesn't virus actually mean toxic poison? Something akin to that is what I recollect.

There is a pathogen out there, but I really don't think there is anything that is actually a virus.

We started down this path because of Sars Cov-2. Just wanted to know who actually discovered viruses....It's a theory.

Still.

FFS.

I have a great deal of difficulty taking anything a "virologist" says seriously now.
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This is for the 1/1000 non mentally retarded, thinking people that might actually visit this forum:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

It's all documented. It's all fraud. There are no 'viruses'.

There are only poisons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77721904


Right. Great points on the PCR!

And doesn't virus actually mean toxic poison? Something akin to that is what I recollect.

There is a pathogen out there, but I really don't think there is anything that is actually a virus.

We started down this path because of Sars Cov-2. Just wanted to know who actually discovered viruses....It's a theory.

Still.

FFS.

I have a great deal of difficulty taking anything a "virologist" says seriously now.
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YES!

'virus' originally meant poison before the definition changed over the past few hundred years.

What a scam!

Even the word disease!

I just meant a 'dis' 'ease' of the body, since homeostasis has been disturbed.it has nothing to do with pathogens.
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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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a virus is the recognized signal and the bacteria a signal?
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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

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In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.
the bacteria is the soldier.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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a virus is the recognized signal and the bacteria a signal?
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16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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What are your credentials to analyze the data and come to these conclusions?
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Asking for 'credentials' of a virologist is like asking for a witch doctor to show you his certificates. Does it really matter where he was certified?

Not a single 'disease' has been cured by them, in-fact people are more sick today than at any point in history, but the illogical morons repeatedly trust their 'credentials' over reason and evidence. No, 'polio' wasn't cured, it was renamed, but you keep running back to the frauds for more, because you want to believe.

There is a word for this kind of stupidity: Faith.

That's what you have. Faith in a priest. You don't follow science, you follow priests. There is zero empirical evidence for the existence of any communicable pathogenic virus.

Not a single one has ever been isolated, purified, proven to attack cells, replicate, and induce symptoms in any controlled laboratory environment. Instead what you'll find is pseudo-science masquerading under 'statistics' and supposition with the use of PCR, or antibody testing, en lieu of the actual 'virus' that they just can't seem to find. There sure that darned thing exists, but with every advancement in technology all they've managed to find are scraps of inert protein RNA that are incapable of causing infection or illness, that they claim are PART of a 'larger' virus.

Bologna, inside and out. You'd be better off asking for 'credentials' of a used car salesman, at least what he sells you will work for a few years.
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clappa


there is no way mainstream science would publish or even acknowledge a theory like that!!! there is no money in it for them and it would ruin a major cash cow of theirs.


just like everything else mainstream ... pure BS

very nice thoughts OP...very nice
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I have watched read a few articles and watched several videos on exosomes and viruses. One Dr. was discussing experiments where they would take a bag and place in on a sick horse's head and have it sneeze and snot in the bag, then place that bag on a different horse to try and infect it, and it never worked.

One thing I don't get, if true, then why do we catch colds from people?
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Re: Virology is a Pseudoscience: Potato Necrosis and F.C. Bawden
16 years ago I studied the history and field of virology all the way back to its origins in the 19th century.

I concluded that virology is a pseudoscience and a fraud that misrepresent endogenous cellular particles as infectious organisms.

I concluded that these virus particle were in reality endogenous cellular signalling particles and endogenous cellular transport particles. They cause disease when an organism over produces these particles.

I also concluded that all virological diseases are not infectious disease but instead most were either caused by toxicological exposures or nutrient deficiencies (like the pellagra virus). Certain other biological stressors can also cause the over prodcution of "virus" particles by an organism.

A couple months ago I posted "Peyton Rous and his chickens". This was a short review on how Peyton Rous accidentally proved that cancer viruses are not self-replicating infectious organisms but in reality were endogenous cellular particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance.

-------------------------

In this post I shall review very long paper by a virologist named F.C. Bawden. The paper is called, "Studies on a Virus Causing Foliar Necrosis of the Potato". It was publish in 1934 by Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.

FC Bawden found the same thing that Peyton Rous found. That viruses are not infinitely transmissible and in fact loose potency rather fast.

This is what you would expect if viruses are not self-replicaing infectious organisms but in reality are finite particles behaving as finite toxins due to their over abundance in the organism.

Some examples:

He found that grafting a leaf full of the virus to a healthy potato plant would produce potent symptoms in the healthy plant. However if you used a leaf full of the virus to transfer virus to a healthy plant using needle inoculation the symptoms in the healthy plant would be very weak.

This is what you would expect if the virus is not a self-replicating organism. The needle inoculation method transfers a low dose of the virus. If viruses behave like finite toxins then one would expect very dose dependent reactions int he healthy receiver. This is exactly what Bawden, and also Rous with his chickens, reported.


Bawden also found that when performing his leaf grafting experiments that sometimes a graft would take poorly to the healthy plant. The leaf would never really attach that well. In these experiments he found that the symptoms in the healthy plant would be weaker. This makes sense because a lower dose of the virus was being transfered to the healthy plant by the faulty graft. Once again showing that virus behave in a strongly dose dependent manner.


When doing his leaf grafting research Bawden found that in potato plants that he was able to transfer a large dose of virus to the tubers had an interesting property.

If one planted these tubers in the soil they would produce a new plant that did in fact have the potato necrosis disease. However, the disease in these new plants was clearly a milder version of the disease. Once again showing that the virus was not behaving like a self replicating organism. It was behaving like a finite toxin.

It should be pointed out now that F.C Bawden was a conventional virologist and, just like Rous, did not come to the conclusions in his paper that I came to. In fact he out right ignore the obvious evidence that he had uncovered.

This is not surprising however as this is what almost all virologist do. The whole history of virology consist of paper after paper showing that virus are not infectious organisms. But almost every virologist just tows the party line and goes along to get along.

Virology has been used for evil ends since its origins with the agricultural chemist Adolf Mayer. It's original purpose was to cover up the damage being done to crops by industrial pesticides like Paris Green.

Paris Green was causing various new diseases in plant crops, such as the mosaic disorders of tobacco plant. Paris green also caused a disease very similar to polio in the late 19th century.

Later in the 20th century DDT caused the classic polio epidemic. Virology was used to cover that up as well.
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So what do you think of the Wuhan Lab incident, where a weaponized and gained corona virus was chimerically attached to an AID/HIV virus during vaccine research. It is still killing about 1/2000 which is not insignicant. Good post by the way





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