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For 2 years I've been working on a system to rehabilitate the dreaming mind from cognitive atrophy using sensory replay and sensory stimulation and created a program that uses neuroscience and my 33 years of lucid dreaming expertise to help people dream.

There was this lady who loves her dreams running the free course and she moved on to the perception training to bring sensory atrophy back online so we can see, hear, touch, taste and smell in our dreams, as dreams should be full-sensory feedback assuming there is no cognitive development problems with atrophy.
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Let's start then with healing that damaged dreaming mind...
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I think I am quite a good dreamer.. but the realm I usually deal with is in a state of war. Mankind is under attack so to speak, so I try to limit my access as much as possible.

Nevertheless your advice is correct. My mission is coming to an end, I will "retire" and switch all that crappy shit off and also heal my damaged eye sight.

I am not against your method if it helps people.. but since "objective reality" does not exist (as was finally proven in 2018) in what realm are those who use technology end up in the long run? The technology we all use to talk to each other around the world was not given for our benefit, even though it seems convenient and fun at first glance.
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Well, our time is always short on planet doom, I don't support or represent any social, religious or political group and stay away from their influence. I just want to dream cool shit and do it my way free from influences and for the art.

But one thing is sure, our waking world influences our dreams, so watch what influences you inherit.

Unplug from all the influence and have some nice dreams friend, you deserve at least that much.
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No that is actually completely wrong, your dreaming creates your waking life. I would have thought for someone interested in dreaming you would have become aware of this through keeping a dreamers diary proving my claim to be 100% accurate.

The purpose for dreaming is not some fancy entertainment, if it were then animals did not need to dream to function properly, yet they dream just like us.

It is also astonishing that for someone who is so deeply interested in dreaming has not yet found out that we have no time, that we actually leave our sleeping body (OBE) during our dreaming and that when our time comes to end physical presence in what people call "material" world.. we continue to be ETERNAL if we don't get lost or.. such unfortunate circumstances trapping us in some way or manner.

Before the age of computers people did not suffer from the atrophy you talk about. In the dream-world we are not restricted as in the waking state by the very narrow band of visible light to whish we have been confined to.. now imagine if all the stuff you seem to be able to see, experience and do.. you could do in your waking state as well..

it seems you got stuck on the pleasure instead of finding out who you are and what your original puropse to even exist here is... but I guess you may be ready to dig a whole lot deeper one day..

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Our thoughts, actions, feelings, and intentions most certainly impact and change our waking life reality. I’m just now learning more about dreaming and dream training, but I’ve spent a very long time learning to harness my mind and shape my waking life reality.

Now imagine (or you know from experience) using your dreams to build confidence, try new skills, consider spiritual truths, etc. Dreams add more conscious experiences, and those experiences can help instill conviction. From my own experiences, the more I believe something, the more likely I will experience that which I believe in.

Yes, as you suggest the mind is a powerful too. One that should be hardness in both the waking and dream life. My opinion anyway.
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about 6 years ago, i had a lucid dream which was the longest I ever experienced. I still remember going to a steakhouse in this dream, and smelling the steak cooking. as i waited in my chair, i was totally aware i was sleeping but shocked and amazed that i was still sitting down smelling the steak. Then the steak came, and i ate a little peice. it tasted steaky. ;)

the key is to get enough sleep. which i have stopped doing because of out of dream situations.
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Why stop at just that one? I can stretch time and experience 2 weeks of lucid dreaming in 30 minutes of sleep (on second sleep cycle only) and if not pressured by work that day. I need a lot of sleep too, to pull that off to lead up to that stretch. I peak at 2 weeks, but I know practitioners that say they can do months, years and a rare few say entire lifetimes in one night of sleep.

The longest I seem to reach is roughly 2 weeks of a time-stretched lucid dream then I unlock and wake up, can't seem to shake the fear and once that creeps in I'm done (ie... hmm been here far to long maybe something is wrong... poof insta wake-up)

Still working on it, I want to try the year or entire lifetime but even I am not that ready. Too much life-stress career, family drama pressure waking me up all the time. I need to be alone, in solitude and without interruption.
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Wow! I didn’t realize lucid dreams could be that long. That’s simply amazing! I would love to have a lucid dream that spanned over a days time.

BTW, I just read the full SWTOR dream and WOW! What a fking cool dream that was. I would love to be a Jedi in a dream and to lightsaber fight a sigh, amazing!
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instead of paying for this wack just look into binarual and isometric beats and follow the rabbit hole.
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He is good though
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33 years huh?

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For 2 years I've been working on a system to rehabilitate the dreaming mind from cognitive atrophy using sensory replay and sensory stimulation and created a program that uses neuroscience and my 33 years of lucid dreaming expertise to help people dream.

There was this lady who loves her dreams running the free course and she moved on to the perception training to bring sensory atrophy back online so we can see, hear, touch, taste and smell in our dreams, as dreams should be full-sensory feedback assuming there is no cognitive development problems with atrophy.

For 30 years she's been a visual and audible dreamer and on the Perception course for tactile feedback she for the first time was able to feel and touch in her dream. I take it for granted, my dream life is full-sensory with full awareness as I trained this as a cognitive developmental skill (which it is). Imagine though 30 years no touch and finally she can reach out and feel dream tactile feedback. That's amazing!

Anyways the site is starting to get some big attention because people are having explosive results and I have shown the results to some friends who study dreams and they said the results were also very rapid especially the tactile recovery from atrophy. Such good feels.

Check out some of the student reviews at the bottom of the course:

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

Ahh... it's like giving the blind the gift of sight in their dreams through neuroscience. Well as you know I've been a resident dream tard here for over a decade and this passion project it been in the works since my last book publication.

Best of all 11 students now have all dreamed in their source material be it a video game or other source of interest.

Update: Check this submission from a student on her 11th day who when she came had no dream recall, no dream programming skills to this... in only 11 days wow!

SUBMISSION
I opened this game in the last hour of the evening but still had to learn how to use it. EN ALTERA QUE VEHAT ARGO [link to argoigdp.itch.io (secure)] i ended up in the water but i used this setting as source material.

So, i'm laying in bed and im immersed in the wonder of being lost in this maze of a game. I created sensations to feel, added sound and felt my way through to the waters edge with my avatar. Suddenly, the dogs in my area all bark at once so i woke up. When i finally allowed myself to drift back into the dream i was back in the game again. Only this time the colors were brighter and the sun was shinning on me, so i allowed myself extra time to stay in the dream just to enhance my full body sensors. It was a lovely experience.

[DPA04] The Fourth Cognitive Mapping Tactile Dream Training Exercise submission by Angie88

Update: I contacted her so with her permission I did a quick youtube video.


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Wow, make your sleep the same as your waking life... total fantasy and 'escape' from reality! I can see where this would be appealing... complete with HW assignments of playing video games all day.

This is an interesting concept but is missing the point, dreams are not there to 'entertain' us they are our connection to the 'collective' and beyond. learning to be lucid and having control over content is something that only matters if the conscious, cognitive component to the psyche/individual is solid and actively employing ethical principles and a well-founded intention of 'progressing' (which can be flavored to taste, but is generally the same across the board (do unto others/be good/don't be a dick...)- If one denies this aspect and attempts to 'rewrite' their most fundamental, primal process for psychic growth and connectivity, based upon some concept founded in 'entertainment' they are in essence binding their own wings... and potentially a lot worse IMO.

What I am hearing in the 'pitch' is actually pretty dangerous sounding and admitted as such "some people never come back" (I guess this becomes a selling point , the same way that fentanyl is?).

90% of sleep is for dreaming, in fact it is the only logically found reason that we do sleep (much to the befuddlement of many an empiricist/materialist) hence, it can be easily, rationally concluded that dreams are VERY important- especially when the necessity of sleep and the fact we spend 1/3 of our entire lives doing it is taken into consideration.

Learning the skill of lucid dreaming and merely purposely imposing the construct of someone else (movies, video-games, etc.) upon it for no reason other than 'entertainment' is the height of using information/technology for a 'regressive', unproductive and potentially dangerous purpose... which I suppose makes perfect sense when taking a look around at our society currently.

I get it OP, this is your thing... and it 'feels like' (where's the beef?) you know your stuff, more power to you- it is just the 'marketing' aspect of this, admittedly even to children, could be a karically unsound endeavor, just sayin'.
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I'm not a gamer and spend most of my time working, researching and thinking. I find most games to be absolutely boring. Will this course work for me?
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about 6 years ago, i had a lucid dream which was the longest I ever experienced. I still remember going to a steakhouse in this dream, and smelling the steak cooking. as i waited in my chair, i was totally aware i was sleeping but shocked and amazed that i was still sitting down smelling the steak. Then the steak came, and i ate a little peice. it tasted steaky. ;)

the key is to get enough sleep. which i have stopped doing because of out of dream situations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79186683


Why stop at just that one? I can stretch time and experience 2 weeks of lucid dreaming in 30 minutes of sleep (on second sleep cycle only) and if not pressured by work that day. I need a lot of sleep too, to pull that off to lead up to that stretch. I peak at 2 weeks, but I know practitioners that say they can do months, years and a rare few say entire lifetimes in one night of sleep.

The longest I seem to reach is roughly 2 weeks of a time-stretched lucid dream then I unlock and wake up, can't seem to shake the fear and once that creeps in I'm done (ie... hmm been here far to long maybe something is wrong... poof insta wake-up)

Still working on it, I want to try the year or entire lifetime but even I am not that ready. Too much life-stress career, family drama pressure waking me up all the time. I need to be alone, in solitude and without interruption.
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Wow! I didn’t realize lucid dreams could be that long. That’s simply amazing! I would love to have a lucid dream that spanned over a days time.

BTW, I just read the full SWTOR dream and WOW! What a fking cool dream that was. I would love to be a Jedi in a dream and to lightsaber fight a sigh, amazing!
 Quoting: Tanoros


What do you think the extending time in dreams module is all about ;)

Yeah I love that Knight of the Old Republic influenced dream, one of my best Star Wars influenced dreams. It was amazing, still remember it, Boba Fett was so awesome! The light saber I had was so cool too, the special effects off the rails.
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instead of paying for this wack just look into binarual and isometric beats and follow the rabbit hole.
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He is good though
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I have a few decades behind me on this.
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33 years huh?

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Ah that's just the timing, I started in 1987, 2020 - 1987 = 33. No affiliation to any group. I'm a lone wolf GLPer dreamtard. You've missed all my posts when it was 32, 31, 30, 29, 28 etc... but yeah not at all mason, will never be a mason, fuck that shit!
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Wow, make your sleep the same as your waking life... total fantasy and 'escape' from reality! I can see where this would be appealing... complete with HW assignments of playing video games all day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


We all have 3-5 dreams every night... some birds dream, all mammals with a brain dream. It is a part of our cognitive development and actually has many health benefits but can also be very bad for you (nightmare, fear, hate, depression ) as it connects to the limbic-system and releases the same waking hormones for fight-flight ie Adrenaline and Cortisil causing damage to the hippocampus and prefontal cortext as well as enlarges the amygadala further deepening fear.

The opposite happens if we have good, fun, positive dreams as it releases dopamine, seretonin, oxytocin and endorphins elevating mood towards joy, happiness, love and provides better long-term memory development, improves cognitive development in the pre-frontal cortex having an opposite effect, and also boost the immune system, releases built of stress and tension, ever hear the term... sleep on it? We know sleep helps us manage our anxieties, concerns and more.

So you chose... dream in fear and promote your fears to scare others into releasing adrenaline and cortasil or dream for fun, joy, happiness and love.

I don't make that choice for you.
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This is an interesting concept but is missing the point, dreams are not there to 'entertain' us they are our connection to the 'collective' and beyond. learning to be lucid and having control over content is something that only matters if the conscious, cognitive component to the psyche/individual is solid and actively employing ethical principles and a well-founded intention of 'progressing' (which can be flavored to taste, but is generally the same across the board (do unto others/be good/don't be a dick...)- If one denies this aspect and attempts to 'rewrite' their most fundamental, primal process for psychic growth and connectivity, based upon some concept founded in 'entertainment' they are in essence binding their own wings... and potentially a lot worse IMO.
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Dreams actually provide a safe-place for us too work out our problems. You have 3-4 dreams each night, and yes you will succeed at having a dream of your own design but the subconscious needs to work out other activities in dream replay that you have done during the day so those work dreams, walking in a park dreams will also be there.

People already immersed into a influence will dream that influence in their sleep. Most will not remember due to atrophic damage to their prefrontal cortex, hippocampus and temporal lobes.

Working on rehabilitating those damaged regions of the brain however, more and more of the 3-5 dreams return allowing one to further work out the mind and correct negative patterns of experience once they tune into the power they really have to better direct their own lives devoid of any influence but the ones they choose.

Many people seek drugs, alcohol, sex and violence as a means to cope with these build-up "feelings" that are not being released in the body that dreams are trying to release but that mechanism is so fucked up and damaged they do not arrive to that benefit.

I don't use drugs, I don't drink, I don't watch porn, I don't seek instant-gratification and "cheap thrill" dopamine releases... why? I know where those choices lead, and my course on Overcoming Fear and Nightmares covers the neurscience of fear, how this process takes place and how to use dreams to "release" safely these negative anti-social, anti-self, self-sabotaging behaviors.

Again only if one wants to use that knowledge to clean house. Trust me, many want to clean house so they don't have nightmares and fear dominating their dream replay.

What I am hearing in the 'pitch' is actually pretty dangerous sounding and admitted as such "some people never come back" (I guess this becomes a selling point , the same way that fentanyl is?).
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Based on what evidence bro... I can forward you a shit done of evidence that engage our dreams in a fun, entertaining way invokes quite the opposite effect on our mental and physical health. That is just your armchair opinion.

The only dream you need to fear for it's damaging effect on your body are the ones that trip the fear replay and I teach fear management to rehabilitate away from nightmares.

But hey it's ok to let people run off and do that fentanyl and prescribe opiates but lord help me don't let them dream for fun or entertainment because you the expert think it's going to be bad for them. It's dream they wake up with a smile, inconsequential and beneficial to their over all quality of mental and physical health.

90% of sleep is for dreaming, in fact it is the only logically found reason that we do sleep (much to the befuddlement of many an empiricist/materialist) hence, it can be easily, rationally concluded that dreams are VERY important- especially when the necessity of sleep and the fact we spend 1/3 of our entire lives doing it is taken into consideration.
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And that I can agree on...

Learning the skill of lucid dreaming and merely purposely imposing the construct of someone else (movies, video-games, etc.) upon it for no reason other than 'entertainment' is the height of using information/technology for a 'regressive', unproductive and potentially dangerous purpose... which I suppose makes perfect sense when taking a look around at our society currently.
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They are going to do it anyways, Angie when she first came her first remembered dream was being in a hot shower and it was so hot it melted off her skin, she turned to psychoanalyse that it must have a positive meaning...

Now she is feeling the warmth of the sun, the calmness of water and waking up feeling stable, blissful and riveted with joy. Hmmm... so maybe just keep letting her have dreams are tormenting her from the wildness of her subconscious?

Which is better in your opinion? Control, or the wild random ones like that?

I get it OP, this is your thing... and it 'feels like' (where's the beef?) you know your stuff, more power to you- it is just the 'marketing' aspect of this, admittedly even to children, could be a karically unsound endeavor, just sayin'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


Again that is your opinion, my website is substantiated on a lot of actual neuroscience, behavior psychology for better wellness and mental health through fun, positive and exciting dreams.

Not everyone chooses video games I make that clear it can be any source material, you can use it to go out for steak dinner for all I care, but what matters here is that you, not me are picking your influence based on your desired experience, not mine.

You are the dreamer of your own dreams and should be unhinged from any influence that you don't want to experience.

Watch a horror movie, have nightmares... I make that very ... very ... clear.
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33 years huh?

Idol1
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Ah that's just the timing, I started in 1987, 2020 - 1987 = 33. No affiliation to any group. I'm a lone wolf GLPer dreamtard. You've missed all my posts when it was 32, 31, 30, 29, 28 etc... but yeah not at all mason, will never be a mason, fuck that shit!
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Here I say 32 here from last year... just to make sure you don't numbertard label me a mason.
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Wow, make your sleep the same as your waking life... total fantasy and 'escape' from reality! I can see where this would be appealing... complete with HW assignments of playing video games all day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


We all have 3-5 dreams every night... some birds dream, all mammals with a brain dream. It is a part of our cognitive development and actually has many health benefits but can also be very bad for you (nightmare, fear, hate, depression ) as it connects to the limbic-system and releases the same waking hormones for fight-flight ie Adrenaline and Cortisil causing damage to the hippocampus and prefontal cortext as well as enlarges the amygadala further deepening fear.

The opposite happens if we have good, fun, positive dreams as it releases dopamine, seretonin, oxytocin and endorphins elevating mood towards joy, happiness, love and provides better long-term memory development, improves cognitive development in the pre-frontal cortex having an opposite effect, and also boost the immune system, releases built of stress and tension, ever hear the term... sleep on it? We know sleep helps us manage our anxieties, concerns and more.

So you chose... dream in fear and promote your fears to scare others into releasing adrenaline and cortasil or dream for fun, joy, happiness and love.

I don't make that choice for you.
[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]

This is an interesting concept but is missing the point, dreams are not there to 'entertain' us they are our connection to the 'collective' and beyond. learning to be lucid and having control over content is something that only matters if the conscious, cognitive component to the psyche/individual is solid and actively employing ethical principles and a well-founded intention of 'progressing' (which can be flavored to taste, but is generally the same across the board (do unto others/be good/don't be a dick...)- If one denies this aspect and attempts to 'rewrite' their most fundamental, primal process for psychic growth and connectivity, based upon some concept founded in 'entertainment' they are in essence binding their own wings... and potentially a lot worse IMO.
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Dreams actually provide a safe-place for us too work out our problems. You have 3-4 dreams each night, and yes you will succeed at having a dream of your own design but the subconscious needs to work out other activities in dream replay that you have done during the day so those work dreams, walking in a park dreams will also be there.

People already immersed into a influence will dream that influence in their sleep. Most will not remember due to atrophic damage to their prefrontal cortex, hippocampus and temporal lobes.

Working on rehabilitating those damaged regions of the brain however, more and more of the 3-5 dreams return allowing one to further work out the mind and correct negative patterns of experience once they tune into the power they really have to better direct their own lives devoid of any influence but the ones they choose.

Many people seek drugs, alcohol, sex and violence as a means to cope with these build-up "feelings" that are not being released in the body that dreams are trying to release but that mechanism is so fucked up and damaged they do not arrive to that benefit.

I don't use drugs, I don't drink, I don't watch porn, I don't seek instant-gratification and "cheap thrill" dopamine releases... why? I know where those choices lead, and my course on Overcoming Fear and Nightmares covers the neurscience of fear, how this process takes place and how to use dreams to "release" safely these negative anti-social, anti-self, self-sabotaging behaviors.

Again only if one wants to use that knowledge to clean house. Trust me, many want to clean house so they don't have nightmares and fear dominating their dream replay.

What I am hearing in the 'pitch' is actually pretty dangerous sounding and admitted as such "some people never come back" (I guess this becomes a selling point , the same way that fentanyl is?).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


Based on what evidence bro... I can forward you a shit done of evidence that engage our dreams in a fun, entertaining way invokes quite the opposite effect on our mental and physical health. That is just your armchair opinion.

The only dream you need to fear for it's damaging effect on your body are the ones that trip the fear replay and I teach fear management to rehabilitate away from nightmares.

But hey it's ok to let people run off and do that fentanyl and prescribe opiates but lord help me don't let them dream for fun or entertainment because you the expert think it's going to be bad for them. It's dream they wake up with a smile, inconsequential and beneficial to their over all quality of mental and physical health.

90% of sleep is for dreaming, in fact it is the only logically found reason that we do sleep (much to the befuddlement of many an empiricist/materialist) hence, it can be easily, rationally concluded that dreams are VERY important- especially when the necessity of sleep and the fact we spend 1/3 of our entire lives doing it is taken into consideration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


And that I can agree on...

Learning the skill of lucid dreaming and merely purposely imposing the construct of someone else (movies, video-games, etc.) upon it for no reason other than 'entertainment' is the height of using information/technology for a 'regressive', unproductive and potentially dangerous purpose... which I suppose makes perfect sense when taking a look around at our society currently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


They are going to do it anyways, Angie when she first came her first remembered dream was being in a hot shower and it was so hot it melted off her skin, she turned to psychoanalyse that it must have a positive meaning...

Now she is feeling the warmth of the sun, the calmness of water and waking up feeling stable, blissful and riveted with joy. Hmmm... so maybe just keep letting her have dreams are tormenting her from the wildness of her subconscious?

Which is better in your opinion? Control, or the wild random ones like that?

I get it OP, this is your thing... and it 'feels like' (where's the beef?) you know your stuff, more power to you- it is just the 'marketing' aspect of this, admittedly even to children, could be a karically unsound endeavor, just sayin'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79079929


Again that is your opinion, my website is substantiated on a lot of actual neuroscience, behavior psychology for better wellness and mental health through fun, positive and exciting dreams.

Not everyone chooses video games I make that clear it can be any source material, you can use it to go out for steak dinner for all I care, but what matters here is that you, not me are picking your influence based on your desired experience, not mine.

You are the dreamer of your own dreams and should be unhinged from any influence that you don't want to experience.

Watch a horror movie, have nightmares... I make that very ... very ... clear.
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Them's a lot of words^ but, as a response it lacks empirical resources (shared knowledge/facts/litmus test) with which to support the claim.



Ignorance is bliss? -potentially... but it is with certainty the cause of all experienced suffering.
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I'm not a gamer and spend most of my time working, researching and thinking. I find most games to be absolutely boring. Will this course work for me?
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Yes, in the course we have 4 students using walks in parks, or nature for their source material. Others using movies they enjoy.

You can even be inventive and use your own story like a writer and create your own source material.

I leave that up to you... I just enjoy really artistic genres to dream in due to my interest in art. I was breaking into comics but then Marvel filed for bankruptcy before the movies came out so turned to the canvas of the mind as my new artform.
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Them's a lot of words^ but, as a response it lacks empirical resources (shared knowledge/facts/litmus test) with which to support the claim.



Ignorance is bliss? -potentially... but it is with certainty the cause of all experienced suffering.
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People dreaming based on waking life influences is not a claim, it's well presented in dream research and study since Freud and Jung.

So I don't give a fuck about your blah blah claim, blah blah litmus shit weak ass argument if you are too lazy to do some research or read a scientific paper on dream studies...but that steak dinner does look good. You can train for that make that your source material.

Hit it in the replay when your dreams consolidate that into long-term memory. Or not and dream shit you don't want to dream.
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Them's a lot of words^ but, as a response it lacks empirical resources (shared knowledge/facts/litmus test) with which to support the claim.



Ignorance is bliss? -potentially... but it is with certainty the cause of all experienced suffering.
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People dreaming based on waking life influences is not a claim, it's well presented in dream research and study since Freud and Jung.

So I don't give a fuck about your blah blah claim, blah blah litmus shit weak ass argument if you are too lazy to do some research or read a scientific paper on dream studies...but that steak dinner does look good. You can train for that make that your source material.

Hit it in the replay when your dreams consolidate that into long-term memory. Or not and dream shit you don't want to dream.
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OK butthurt fancy-pants, how about this claim:

"Videogames make it HARDER to have a lucid dream and decreases one's ability to think and be creative in general"-

Here is some pesky support from the world of empirical scientific research:


Frequent lucid dreaming associated with increased functional connectivity between frontopolar cortex and temporoparietal association areas
" Compared to controls, the frequent lucid dream group showed significantly increased resting-state functional connectivity between left aPFC and bilateral angular gyrus, bilateral middle temporal gyrus and right inferior frontal gyrus, and higher node degree and strength in left aPFC. In contrast, no significant differences in brain structure were observed. Our results suggest that frequent lucid dreaming is associated with increased functional connectivity between aPFC and temporoparietal association areas, regions normally deactivated during sleep."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Impact of videogame play on the brain's microstructural properties: cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses
"We also confirmed an association between the amount of VGP and decreased verbal intelligence in both cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses. In conclusion, increased VGP is directly or indirectly associated with delayed development of the microstructure in extensive brain regions and verbal intelligence."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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OK butthurt fancy-pants, how about this claim:

"Videogames make it HARDER to have a lucid dream and decreases one's ability to think and be creative in general"-

Here is some pesky support from the world of empirical scientific research:


Frequent lucid dreaming associated with increased functional connectivity between frontopolar cortex and temporoparietal association areas
" Compared to controls, the frequent lucid dream group showed significantly increased resting-state functional connectivity between left aPFC and bilateral angular gyrus, bilateral middle temporal gyrus and right inferior frontal gyrus, and higher node degree and strength in left aPFC. In contrast, no significant differences in brain structure were observed. Our results suggest that frequent lucid dreaming is associated with increased functional connectivity between aPFC and temporoparietal association areas, regions normally deactivated during sleep."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Impact of videogame play on the brain's microstructural properties: cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses
"We also confirmed an association between the amount of VGP and decreased verbal intelligence in both cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses. In conclusion, increased VGP is directly or indirectly associated with delayed development of the microstructure in extensive brain regions and verbal intelligence."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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Virtual Reality May Help You Control Your Dreams
Research suggests people dream more lucidly after they’ve immersed themselves in virtual worlds.
ELISABETH ROSEN SEPTEMBER 15, 2016

When Jayne Gackenbach’s son took up Nintendo in the 1990s, she began to worry. As she watched him spend hours manipulating characters on the screen, she wondered if all that time in fictional worlds was messing with his head.

It’s a concern that any parent might have. But Gackenbach, a psychologist at MacEwan University, put the question to the test.

Put down your phone after an intense Pokémon Go session, and you might find yourself thinking about “catching” the dog across the street as if it were a character in the game. That momentary mix-up between the world on the screen and the physical reality of the street is called game transfer phenomenon, and it’s a common effect among gamers. As Gackenbach puts it: “Your brain’s kind of stupid, at least when it comes to reality.”
[link to www.theatlantic.com (secure)]

Lucid dreaming: Neural virtual reality as a mechanism for performance enhancement
Commentary on “The neurobiology of consciousness:
Lucid dreaming wakes up” by J. Allan Hobson
Daniel Erlacher1 & Heather Chapin2 1 Institute of Sports and Sports Science, Heidelberg University, Germany 2 Florida Atlantic University, USA

[link to journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de (secure)]

It's a new science... and I'm not butthurt, this is an intelligent discussion albeit a bit tougue-and-cheek like a good argument should be. It's productive.
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OK butthurt fancy-pants, how about this claim:

"Videogames make it HARDER to have a lucid dream and decreases one's ability to think and be creative in general"-

Here is some pesky support from the world of empirical scientific research:


Frequent lucid dreaming associated with increased functional connectivity between frontopolar cortex and temporoparietal association areas
" Compared to controls, the frequent lucid dream group showed significantly increased resting-state functional connectivity between left aPFC and bilateral angular gyrus, bilateral middle temporal gyrus and right inferior frontal gyrus, and higher node degree and strength in left aPFC. In contrast, no significant differences in brain structure were observed. Our results suggest that frequent lucid dreaming is associated with increased functional connectivity between aPFC and temporoparietal association areas, regions normally deactivated during sleep."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Impact of videogame play on the brain's microstructural properties: cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses
"We also confirmed an association between the amount of VGP and decreased verbal intelligence in both cross-sectional and longitudinal analyses. In conclusion, increased VGP is directly or indirectly associated with delayed development of the microstructure in extensive brain regions and verbal intelligence."
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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Virtual Reality May Help You Control Your Dreams
Research suggests people dream more lucidly after they’ve immersed themselves in virtual worlds.
ELISABETH ROSEN SEPTEMBER 15, 2016

When Jayne Gackenbach’s son took up Nintendo in the 1990s, she began to worry. As she watched him spend hours manipulating characters on the screen, she wondered if all that time in fictional worlds was messing with his head.

It’s a concern that any parent might have. But Gackenbach, a psychologist at MacEwan University, put the question to the test.

Put down your phone after an intense Pokémon Go session, and you might find yourself thinking about “catching” the dog across the street as if it were a character in the game. That momentary mix-up between the world on the screen and the physical reality of the street is called game transfer phenomenon, and it’s a common effect among gamers. As Gackenbach puts it: “Your brain’s kind of stupid, at least when it comes to reality.”
[link to www.theatlantic.com (secure)]

Lucid dreaming: Neural virtual reality as a mechanism for performance enhancement
Commentary on “The neurobiology of consciousness:
Lucid dreaming wakes up” by J. Allan Hobson
Daniel Erlacher1 & Heather Chapin2 1 Institute of Sports and Sports Science, Heidelberg University, Germany 2 Florida Atlantic University, USA

[link to journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de (secure)]

It's a new science... and I'm not butthurt, this is an intelligent discussion albeit a bit tougue-and-cheek like a good argument should be. It's productive.
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The last I checked, "...So I don't give a fuck about your blah blah claim, blah blah litmus shit weak ass argument..."

Does not qualify as a non-butthurt intelligent discussion.

The "Atlantic" eh? lmao

And your second link supports my claim, thank you very much!
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I would suggest you ask yourself one simple question OP, 'WHAT is your motivation?'

Therein lies the answer that you seek.

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I was doing well last year with dreams, able to lucid dream and astral projection, even occasionally obe, however lately I have hit a road block and am lucky to even remember one dream a week of at all. Not sure what is up. If anyone ya any suggestions that would be greatly appreciated. Would love to get back into dreaming again.
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I would suggest you ask yourself one simple question OP, 'WHAT is your motivation?'

Therein lies the answer that you seek.

yoda
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OP claimed to be doing this to help others. As he stated in a few posts, those that conquer fear, and explore dreaming, favor being happy in waking life, finding more joy in general.

Much of what OP’s course teaches is mindfulness. Mindfulness is key to controlling aspects of dreaming, and mindfulness is key to many aspects of life. It’s one of the most important skills to learn, if not the most. Once the mind is harnessed, it’s a tool they can do wonders.

I’m personally learning Lucid dreaming because of spiritual goals. To me, being in the dream world fully conscious will allow me to explore deeper into my mind and subconscious. I would love to have to entertaining experiences as well, but that’s not my ultimate motivation.

OP doesn’t care what anyone dreams in, he just wants those that take the courses to control the whole process, while understanding what they are doing.

I find it amusing how a few of the posters seem to be attacking someone who clearly means to help others. I would caution those posters to explore their purpose for attacking in the first place? I’d wager, it’s related to unresolved internal struggles, and their internal anger is then directed at the OP. As many students of mindfulness understand, attacking another is only bribing that energy back to oneself, thus hurting the attacker in the end. Not smart.

Good luck to all, especially those still grasping for a basic understanding of how life works.....hint, it’s not as presented in the mainstream.

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I was doing well last year with dreams, able to lucid dream and astral projection, even occasionally obe, however lately I have hit a road block and am lucky to even remember one dream a week of at all. Not sure what is up. If anyone ya any suggestions that would be greatly appreciated. Would love to get back into dreaming again.
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OP has a website with a free course that teaches how to remember dreams. I’ve completed it, and I was able to remember dreams every night, sometimes up to 5, and I’ve never remembered more than one dream a night before. I never even used to remember a dream every night as is. So if you want to remember your dreams more, take the free course and see if it works for you too.

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

That’s the link to his site. Check out the course options in the menu and you will see the free course. The YouTube videos at the link asks describe signing up for the course too.

Good luck on your adventure. I hope it works for you as well or better than for me.
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For 2 years I've been working on a system to rehabilitate the dreaming mind from cognitive atrophy using sensory replay and sensory stimulation and created a program that uses neuroscience and my 33 years of lucid dreaming expertise to help people dream.

There was this lady who loves her dreams running the free course and she moved on to the perception training to bring sensory atrophy back online so we can see, hear, touch, taste and smell in our dreams, as dreams should be full-sensory feedback assuming there is no cognitive development problems with atrophy.

For 30 years she's been a visual and audible dreamer and on the Perception course for tactile feedback she for the first time was able to feel and touch in her dream. I take it for granted, my dream life is full-sensory with full awareness as I trained this as a cognitive developmental skill (which it is). Imagine though 30 years no touch and finally she can reach out and feel dream tactile feedback. That's amazing!

Anyways the site is starting to get some big attention because people are having explosive results and I have shown the results to some friends who study dreams and they said the results were also very rapid especially the tactile recovery from atrophy. Such good feels.

Check out some of the student reviews at the bottom of the course:

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

Ahh... it's like giving the blind the gift of sight in their dreams through neuroscience. Well as you know I've been a resident dream tard here for over a decade and this passion project it been in the works since my last book publication.

Best of all 11 students now have all dreamed in their source material be it a video game or other source of interest.

Update: Check this submission from a student on her 11th day who when she came had no dream recall, no dream programming skills to this... in only 11 days wow!

SUBMISSION
I opened this game in the last hour of the evening but still had to learn how to use it. EN ALTERA QUE VEHAT ARGO [link to argoigdp.itch.io (secure)] i ended up in the water but i used this setting as source material.

So, i'm laying in bed and im immersed in the wonder of being lost in this maze of a game. I created sensations to feel, added sound and felt my way through to the waters edge with my avatar. Suddenly, the dogs in my area all bark at once so i woke up. When i finally allowed myself to drift back into the dream i was back in the game again. Only this time the colors were brighter and the sun was shinning on me, so i allowed myself extra time to stay in the dream just to enhance my full body sensors. It was a lovely experience.

[DPA04] The Fourth Cognitive Mapping Tactile Dream Training Exercise submission by Angie88

Update: I contacted her so with her permission I did a quick youtube video.


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Wow, make your sleep the same as your waking life... total fantasy and 'escape' from reality! I can see where this would be appealing... complete with HW assignments of playing video games all day.

This is an interesting concept but is missing the point, dreams are not there to 'entertain' us they are our connection to the 'collective' and beyond. learning to be lucid and having control over content is something that only matters if the conscious, cognitive component to the psyche/individual is solid and actively employing ethical principles and a well-founded intention of 'progressing' (which can be flavored to taste, but is generally the same across the board (do unto others/be good/don't be a dick...)- If one denies this aspect and attempts to 'rewrite' their most fundamental, primal process for psychic growth and connectivity, based upon some concept founded in 'entertainment' they are in essence binding their own wings... and potentially a lot worse IMO.

What I am hearing in the 'pitch' is actually pretty dangerous sounding and admitted as such "some people never come back" (I guess this becomes a selling point , the same way that fentanyl is?).

90% of sleep is for dreaming, in fact it is the only logically found reason that we do sleep (much to the befuddlement of many an empiricist/materialist) hence, it can be easily, rationally concluded that dreams are VERY important- especially when the necessity of sleep and the fact we spend 1/3 of our entire lives doing it is taken into consideration.

Learning the skill of lucid dreaming and merely purposely imposing the construct of someone else (movies, video-games, etc.) upon it for no reason other than 'entertainment' is the height of using information/technology for a 'regressive', unproductive and potentially dangerous purpose... which I suppose makes perfect sense when taking a look around at our society currently.

I get it OP, this is your thing... and it 'feels like' (where's the beef?) you know your stuff, more power to you- it is just the 'marketing' aspect of this, admittedly even to children, could be a karically unsound endeavor, just sayin'.
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Why is it that you feel OP is wrong for trying to help others?

BTW the OP doesn’t ask anyone to play video games. What he asks is to review “source material” for 5-30 minutes close to going bed. Source material can be, actual things from life (I used this method), books, TV, games, or even ones own unique story. Literally anything.

Do you lucid dream yourself? If so, what are your motivations for doing so?
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Signed up for the course. Let's see if I can get my synapses firing again!
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I can confirm the course is amazing. not at all aware of dream/mind science.

Youaredreaming is an amazing teacher who gives great feedback. I highly recommend this site for anyone who is interested in developing dreaming as a skill.

Good luck to any who take this adventure.
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I don't know if you got my e-mail but I have to comp you on that second course but won't let me until you mark the first one complete, the three doing that perception training OMG the results are beyond my own expectation, but I did know it would come back online just not that fast.

I mean, you dreams in the last 3 days were off the rails dude! Killing it yourself!
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Got up to take the quiz, checked GLP, and found out your GLPer too. That’s awesome.


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What a coincidence that you checked GLP and found out they were also a GLPer lol.

This thread is all starting to sound very staged, to drum up support for some you end up having to pay for.

It reads more like a fake reviewlmao
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Signed up for the course. Let's see if I can get my synapses firing again!
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That's the spirit!
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C'mon, just stop.
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What a coincidence that you checked GLP and found out they were also a GLPer lol.

This thread is all starting to sound very staged, to drum up support for some you end up having to pay for.

It reads more like a fake reviewlmao
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More than just you on GLP... us GLPers are everywhere. I was pleasantly surprised because Tanoros is rocking this course. He's just moving to the next more exciting challenge... perception training!

The guantlet awaits...
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I can confirm the course is amazing. not at all aware of dream/mind science.

Youaredreaming is an amazing teacher who gives great feedback. I highly recommend this site for anyone who is interested in developing dreaming as a skill.

Good luck to any who take this adventure.
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I don't know if you got my e-mail but I have to comp you on that second course but won't let me until you mark the first one complete, the three doing that perception training OMG the results are beyond my own expectation, but I did know it would come back online just not that fast.

I mean, you dreams in the last 3 days were off the rails dude! Killing it yourself!
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Got up to take the quiz, checked GLP, and found out your GLPer too. That’s awesome.


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What a coincidence that you checked GLP and found out they were also a GLPer lol.

This thread is all starting to sound very staged, to drum up support for some you end up having to pay for.

It reads more like a fake reviewlmao
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The point was I was already in the course. The surprise was the teacher of the course is also a GLPer. Didn’t know that when I signed up.

If your interested in improved dream recall give it a shot. Prior to taking the free week, I was watching how to lucid YouTube videos. From different content creators and I tried different methods. I had been trying different methods for 2 months and only dream journaling for 1 month. Prior to the course I had one 5 day period of dreams every day. Since taking the course (I didn’t do 1 lesson a day, but probably all 7 in 10 days) I have had a minimum of 1 dream remembered a night and one night with 5 another with 3 and a small portion of 1.

For me personally I’ve seen improvement. And I’ve realized I need to develop my mind in a new way in order to achieve my goal of lucidity. And in the process I’ve learned that I can be lucid in a way I didn’t even imagine possible. I’m excited for the process and the end result, thus my enthusiasm in this thread. But don’t make a judgment on what you read here, judge by trying yourself, it’s free and only requires your time (and not too much considering part of the exercise requires sleeping, something we all do anyway).

Good luck whichever you choose





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