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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79219910 United States 08/11/2020 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If one sees that nothing like free will actually exists, the capacity to accuse, blame, and reproach just disappears. No choice implies no blame. That is forgiveness. Not that anyone chooses to forgive, or decides to forgive." Quoting: davidnv The Ten Thousand Things by Robert Saltzman You can choose to forgive based on the realization that free will doesnt exist. In my understanding, our free will was usurped by infiltrating empire builders from another world with low vibration consciousness that does not recognize the harm they do. So you can forgive them for being ignorant, for their inability to understand the harm they do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79219910 United States 08/11/2020 08:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If one sees that nothing like free will actually exists, the capacity to accuse, blame, and reproach just disappears. No choice implies no blame. That is forgiveness. Not that anyone chooses to forgive, or decides to forgive." Quoting: davidnv The Ten Thousand Things by Robert Saltzman You can choose to forgive based on the realization that free will doesnt exist. In my understanding, our free will was usurped by infiltrating empire builders from another world with low vibration consciousness that does not recognize the harm they do. So you can forgive them for being ignorant, for their inability to understand the harm they do. So, detach from political explanations about “Democrats” and detach from anger at them as you forgive the meatsack army for doing the work they were engineered and brainwashed to do. As you do this then your energy is freed up and the matrix is deprived of your energy too. Starve the beast. Take back your spiritual energy and raise it up to a higher vibration. Trust that there is a purge going on and when it’s done this world will be cleansed. Think that way and it shall be. Maintain focus. |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/12/2020 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If one sees that nothing like free will actually exists, the capacity to accuse, blame, and reproach just disappears. No choice implies no blame. That is forgiveness. Not that anyone chooses to forgive, or decides to forgive." Quoting: davidnv The Ten Thousand Things by Robert Saltzman You can choose to forgive based on the realization that free will doesnt exist. In my understanding, our free will was usurped by infiltrating empire builders from another world with low vibration consciousness that does not recognize the harm they do. So you can forgive them for being ignorant, for their inability to understand the harm they do. Whether forgiveness happens or not, the key thing to remember is that there is only a seemingly existent "me" doing it. The "me" that you think you are is a constantly shifting constellation of thoughts, feelings and sensations. Since it is in fact constantly shifting, the "me" that you claim to be is also constantly shifting and changing and is therefore not substantial or "real". You could say that the sense of "me" appears real, but that's as far as you can take it. Food for thought for the supposed "me" that thinks it's doing anything, including 'forgiving'. |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/12/2020 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One enters naturally into the actual flow of ideas, events, and feelings without ever imagining that one is achieving anything—without ever imagining that one comprehends that flow or its source, or even that one stands in any way apart from the flow. Each moment just is what it is when it is. That is what I mean when I say that awakening never ends. Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/12/2020 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If one sees that nothing like free will actually exists, the capacity to accuse, blame, and reproach just disappears. No choice implies no blame. That is forgiveness. Not that anyone chooses to forgive, or decides to forgive." Quoting: davidnv The Ten Thousand Things by Robert Saltzman You can choose to forgive based on the realization that free will doesnt exist. In my understanding, our free will was usurped by infiltrating empire builders from another world with low vibration consciousness that does not recognize the harm they do. So you can forgive them for being ignorant, for their inability to understand the harm they do. So, detach from political explanations about “Democrats” and detach from anger at them as you forgive the meatsack army for doing the work they were engineered and brainwashed to do. As you do this then your energy is freed up and the matrix is deprived of your energy too. Starve the beast. Take back your spiritual energy and raise it up to a higher vibration. Trust that there is a purge going on and when it’s done this world will be cleansed. Think that way and it shall be. Maintain focus. I like that! Thanks. |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/13/2020 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One may fear that awakening to a life without goals and ideologies will lead to depression or despair and so one hesitates to take each moment afresh, free of any spiritual program. But that very reluctance—that avoidance—is an impediment to ordinary awakened living, which requires chewing up and swallowing one’s experience moment-by-moment, without explanations, without promises of future glories, and sometimes with barely enough saliva to get it down. Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/14/2020 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “If we can accept that we are the sum total of all past thoughts, emotions, words, deeds and actions and that our present lives and choices are colored or shaded by this memory bank of the past, then we begin to see how a process of correcting or setting aright can change our lives, our families and our society.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73112757 Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona Thanks |
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User ID: 76539470 United States 08/14/2020 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever you feel, think, and see is you. There is no choice in the matter—no escaping you. That is what I mean by the word “awakening”—a sudden awareness, quite undeniable, that everything you see, feel, and think is you. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73896965 United States 08/14/2020 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One may fear that awakening to a life without goals and ideologies will lead to depression or despair and so one hesitates to take each moment afresh, free of any spiritual program. Quoting: davidnv But that very reluctance—that avoidance—is an impediment to ordinary awakened living, which requires chewing up and swallowing one’s experience moment-by-moment, without explanations, without promises of future glories, and sometimes with barely enough saliva to get it down. Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things As I observe, people with dementia/Alzheimer seem to have no goal, or ideology (since they've forgotten about their religion or their Jesus or their political affiliation), but they're quite often plagued with anxiety without apparent reason (from the non-dementia perspective), in other word, delusional, like believing there's a nazi hiding inside the cupboard or thieves is hiding behind the tree in front of the house. If people with Alzheimer have no anxiety, probably we'd look at them as enlightened since they seem to live moment by moment without remembering what transpired 5 minutes ago. Anxiety seem to suggest that people with Alzheimer still have belief, delusional type of belief. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73896965 United States 08/14/2020 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever you feel, think, and see is you. There is no choice in the matter—no escaping you. That is what I mean by the word “awakening”—a sudden awareness, quite undeniable, that everything you see, feel, and think is you. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. If we're chased by a lion, or an ISIS beheader, whatever we think and feel may emanate from us, from our judgement of the situation, but about what we see, a lion or ISIS terrorist chasing us, normally we wouldn't think the lion or ISIS are us. |
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User ID: 71122222 United States 08/14/2020 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever you feel, think, and see is you. There is no choice in the matter—no escaping you. That is what I mean by the word “awakening”—a sudden awareness, quite undeniable, that everything you see, feel, and think is you. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. If we're chased by a lion, or an ISIS beheader, whatever we think and feel may emanate from us, from our judgement of the situation, but about what we see, a lion or ISIS terrorist chasing us, normally we wouldn't think the lion or ISIS are us. Oddly I have had the very experience of being chased by an angry animal bred to hunt lions..it did nearly kill me but I kept calm, stood my ground, and minimized the damage. I will always bear the scars but did not have severe injuries. I think if I had tried to turn and run it would have taken me down and ripped my throat out. And like many others have experienced, the very person who told me they loved me once tried to kill me. I still have dreams of running barefoot in the snow at night, just trying to get to the dark, away from the yard lights so the children wouldn't see. We are always meeting ourselves, over and over and over. To put yourself in the other's shoes is still your best chance at predictive analysis of the situation. "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73896965 United States 08/14/2020 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever you feel, think, and see is you. There is no choice in the matter—no escaping you. That is what I mean by the word “awakening”—a sudden awareness, quite undeniable, that everything you see, feel, and think is you. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. If we're chased by a lion, or an ISIS beheader, whatever we think and feel may emanate from us, from our judgement of the situation, but about what we see, a lion or ISIS terrorist chasing us, normally we wouldn't think the lion or ISIS are us. Oddly I have had the very experience of being chased by an angry animal bred to hunt lions..it did nearly kill me but I kept calm, stood my ground, and minimized the damage. I will always bear the scars but did not have severe injuries. I think if I had tried to turn and run it would have taken me down and ripped my throat out. And like many others have experienced, the very person who told me they loved me once tried to kill me. I still have dreams of running barefoot in the snow at night, just trying to get to the dark, away from the yard lights so the children wouldn't see. We are always meeting ourselves, over and over and over. To put yourself in the other's shoes is still your best chance at predictive analysis of the situation. I don't know, perhaps in an awakened state, the lion that's supposed to chase us, since we see it as us, may sort of turn into a tame "lamb". We need someone awakened to tell their experience of no-(ego)self (or everything are us). If seeing everything as me, can save from any danger, it's a beneficial state to live by, compared to the typical ego life that still need a gun and 2nd amendment for self defense. |
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User ID: 76539470 United States 08/14/2020 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: drinking buddy Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. If we're chased by a lion, or an ISIS beheader, whatever we think and feel may emanate from us, from our judgement of the situation, but about what we see, a lion or ISIS terrorist chasing us, normally we wouldn't think the lion or ISIS are us. Oddly I have had the very experience of being chased by an angry animal bred to hunt lions..it did nearly kill me but I kept calm, stood my ground, and minimized the damage. I will always bear the scars but did not have severe injuries. I think if I had tried to turn and run it would have taken me down and ripped my throat out. And like many others have experienced, the very person who told me they loved me once tried to kill me. I still have dreams of running barefoot in the snow at night, just trying to get to the dark, away from the yard lights so the children wouldn't see. We are always meeting ourselves, over and over and over. To put yourself in the other's shoes is still your best chance at predictive analysis of the situation. I don't know, perhaps in an awakened state, the lion that's supposed to chase us, since we see it as us, may sort of turn into a tame "lamb". We need someone awakened to tell their experience of no-(ego)self (or everything are us). If seeing everything as me, can save from any danger, it's a beneficial state to live by, compared to the typical ego life that still need a gun and 2nd amendment for self defense. But by very definition..is saving one's self ego (vs. no ego)? It's a slippery slope to be sure. "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73896965 United States 08/14/2020 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73896965 If we're chased by a lion, or an ISIS beheader, whatever we think and feel may emanate from us, from our judgement of the situation, but about what we see, a lion or ISIS terrorist chasing us, normally we wouldn't think the lion or ISIS are us. Oddly I have had the very experience of being chased by an angry animal bred to hunt lions..it did nearly kill me but I kept calm, stood my ground, and minimized the damage. I will always bear the scars but did not have severe injuries. I think if I had tried to turn and run it would have taken me down and ripped my throat out. And like many others have experienced, the very person who told me they loved me once tried to kill me. I still have dreams of running barefoot in the snow at night, just trying to get to the dark, away from the yard lights so the children wouldn't see. We are always meeting ourselves, over and over and over. To put yourself in the other's shoes is still your best chance at predictive analysis of the situation. I don't know, perhaps in an awakened state, the lion that's supposed to chase us, since we see it as us, may sort of turn into a tame "lamb". We need someone awakened to tell their experience of no-(ego)self (or everything are us). If seeing everything as me, can save from any danger, it's a beneficial state to live by, compared to the typical ego life that still need a gun and 2nd amendment for self defense. But by very definition..is saving one's self ego (vs. no ego)? It's a slippery slope to be sure. yes, perhaps all act of self preservation is the the desire of ego, including the belief on salvation by the blood of the lamb. But self preservation instinct that makes one alive seem to be the precondition for the awakening. It seem one may need to be alive/conscious (or saved from harm) to be awakened. No sure if someone in say, dementia or brain dead state, can still be awakened. Perhaps can, I just don't know. |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/14/2020 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever you feel, think, and see is you. There is no choice in the matter—no escaping you. That is what I mean by the word “awakening”—a sudden awareness, quite undeniable, that everything you see, feel, and think is you. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things Does this philosophical school have a name? Just curious because it seems to be a prevalent thought, i.e.... Eckhart Tolle "Ultimately of course, there is no other, and you are always meeting yourself." Rumi "Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there." etc. Agree though, very delectable thinking. Delectable and thought provoking indeed. Thanks for your comments. |
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User ID: 76539470 United States 08/14/2020 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: drinking buddy Oddly I have had the very experience of being chased by an angry animal bred to hunt lions..it did nearly kill me but I kept calm, stood my ground, and minimized the damage. I will always bear the scars but did not have severe injuries. I think if I had tried to turn and run it would have taken me down and ripped my throat out. And like many others have experienced, the very person who told me they loved me once tried to kill me. I still have dreams of running barefoot in the snow at night, just trying to get to the dark, away from the yard lights so the children wouldn't see. We are always meeting ourselves, over and over and over. To put yourself in the other's shoes is still your best chance at predictive analysis of the situation. I don't know, perhaps in an awakened state, the lion that's supposed to chase us, since we see it as us, may sort of turn into a tame "lamb". We need someone awakened to tell their experience of no-(ego)self (or everything are us). If seeing everything as me, can save from any danger, it's a beneficial state to live by, compared to the typical ego life that still need a gun and 2nd amendment for self defense. But by very definition..is saving one's self ego (vs. no ego)? It's a slippery slope to be sure. yes, perhaps all act of self preservation is the the desire of ego, including the belief on salvation by the blood of the lamb. But self preservation instinct that makes one alive seem to be the precondition for the awakening. It seem one may need to be alive/conscious (or saved from harm) to be awakened. No sure if someone in say, dementia or brain dead state, can still be awakened. Perhaps can, I just don't know. Maybe they can be awakened in a different plane/universe? Like an idiot savant? I know my dear friend with dementia said and did things that were often ridiculous and other things that were often profound. Our brains are so interesting and misfires in that complex network can unlock places as well as bypass them. It also makes one realize how there actually has to be another, intangible source for our personalities/spirits/souls/life force..whichever word best fits your personal beliefs. It isn't contained in the chemistry and electricity of our brains, it cannot be. "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/15/2020 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In awakening, one must smoke heaps and heaps of weed. Only then will tou realise that reality as it is percieved, is nothing more than an illusion caused by lack od really good weed Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things (p. 7). New Sarum Press. Kindle Edition. I like this guy. Chop up. Cool. |
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(OP) General Discussion User ID: 77971319 United States 08/17/2020 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...nothing is gained through effort nor lost for the lack of it. In each moment, things simply are as they are, whether “I” like it or not. Quoting: davidnv Saltzman, Robert. The Ten Thousand Things I really don't get this one though? Things just are as they are. We experience gain and loss during the course of our lives no matter what we do. Gain and loss are transitory phenomena so in that sense, things gained or lost are at best transitory. |
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