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Midweek Mezzorant The Sequel

 
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I hear you my friend.

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TRUMP IS JESUS. TRUST THE PLAN. Q
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Hi Mezzo. I respectfully disagree on some points.

I still love you, though!

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 Quoting: sseess


Haha, no problem at all my dear. Love you back. smile_kiss

It would be a very boring place on earth if we would all agree on everything. Just a little more understanding and accepting other opinion already makes a big difference.
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Another thoughtful and insightful meandering through the current malaise Mezzo. It is a tragedy of the commons that many feel the need to claim a space and to hell with everyone else. Even the SJW's are especially prone to the need to feel righteous, not just correct. It's become a substitute for religion with those people. Man is God and Marxism is the new church. On paper it's all very appealing, in action it becomes mob rule and violence prevails. Nobody is thinking things through simply because the rules and guidelines keep continually changing. We didn't need to wear masks a month ago but not we must to save the vulnerable. It's as if they lie intentionally then turn everything 180 degrees simply to force us to continually comply and abandon thinking. It short circuits our logic and that is a dangerous precedent to be setting.

I don't see this playing out in to any kind of stable and viable future, I really don't. It goes against a lifetime of being an optimist but the sheer weight of negativity precludes a very heavy price to be paid for any return to normalcy.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Thanks for you thoughts FBK. I totally agree with you on the fact that there is only one consistent factor and that is inconsistency. I guess that goes with the fact that we have become much to dependent on what others say and think through today's communication technology and that gives those who claim to know it or "lead" an edge against the masses.

They have hacked into our own survival mechanism. And you are right, we are far from stability in that respect and it is a (maybe too) long road to normalcy.

But those who still can make their own decisions must keep advocating the positive effect of being your own voice. As tiresome as it can be and even if it is against the odds.

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Over the months I have seen so many videos from people who believe this virus is a hoax and those who believe it is very real, that to me it merely has become a discussion on how capable and convincing someone is in expressing their view on it. If someone says virus, someone else yells hoax and that is how the bidding starts. Everything else, the loss of life, individual grief, the impact and damage on people's personal lives and society, has become irrelevant in the battle of wanting to be right and knowing it best. And if you don't agree? Well, fuck you, your pain and your proof, I still know better. A perfect feeding ground to create a society where who is most aggressive wins. A society divided and broken up by individualism, chaos and violence.

In that respect it is no different from sales and marketing tactics or getting elected as president I guess. With the increase of (social) media, our society has become one big marketing playground, complete with technical analysis and 3D power point strategies on how to increase the sales area and thus increase (political) power. By graphs, personalized ads, subjective media etc.

The Loudest Voice comes to mind. For those who haven’t seen it last year, here’s a trailer


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/Midweek Mezzorant
 Quoting: InterMezzo


It's all a hoax, science, medicine, everything "westernized" is a glittering lie to make money, period.
We haven't done shit to improve human kind, we made it dumber so the rich can control it and exploit it. Period.
Tools like technology were "stolen away" from their best uses and fudged to make money and control masses. Period.
Those "people" who orchestrated this "plan", did it at least for 300 years man, they got so bored and decadent that they started fucking kids for sport and killing them for "youth". We're cattle to them, you ain't swinging that with any vote!!
So go fucking organize a revolution or something because there ain't no fixing of this shit.
 Quoting: Ehhhh young ones 78840384


You might be right in what you say my friend, but I for one refuse to give up and will keep trying to convince others to follow their own instinct. And I know I am naive. So be it. Thanks for your opinion. hf
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On Reason and Passion
by Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931)

From The Prophet (Knopf, 1923). This poem is in the public domain.
 Quoting: Happy in Nature


Poetry is one of the best weapons humanity has to save itself. That one is worth reading several times.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Truly loved that poem. We can use much more of that. Happy in Nature is a beautiful soul. hf
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Sigh.. grouphug
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“People don't want to be informed, they want to féél informed.”

hf

/Midweek Mezzorant
 Quoting: InterMezzo


I agree with your sentiment, but the issues plaguing us are baked into our reptilian brian... :( I'll explain.

Modern history would have us believe that public relations and propaganda started with Edward Bernays.

However history books tell us that the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids under the belief that the sun wouldn't shine tomorrow if they didn't complete their great work. The Egyptian slaves minds were dulled due to being payed for their labor in beer...

Then there's Classical philosophers like Plato bemoaning the intellectual laziness of ancient Greeks with his allegory of the cave.

We only have to look to Cicero to see the skill of the Roman Senate orators, in beguiling the masses with his/their vast intellect and knowledge.

Then there's the myriad of European kings or lords who knelt to the Pope, due to his clergy threatening everyone with a miserable afterlife unless they paid the church money to forgive their indiscretions...

There are countless examples as to why the sheep get shorn.

The ultimate answer is; they want to be sheep.

They want to be told what to think and what to do. Because it's easy and alleviates them of responsibility for anything and everything.

Understanding the desire to be a sheep is steeped in the study of Psychology.

From the need for acceptance to appeal to their normalcy bias to belong to a desirable group or tribe, to confirmation bias where they believe they're morally right whenever they do anything questionable.

I know you'll read my whole post Mezzo, but for those with short attention spans. Sheep gonna sheep.

And to know that I am most likely the most positive guy on earth.

/Midweek Mezzorant
 Quoting: InterMezzo


Everyone has issues, which usually involve other people not living up to their expectation or desire. Even when the desire is good for the person.

It's hard not to think of other people as being just like us or having similar traits.

Wanting the best for others is noble, but they have to want it for themselves.
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname


Thank you so much for your great post my friend. You raise some very valid points.

You are right, we do think a lot for other people and what their level of life should be. If someone is satisfied with their way of living and status, why push something upon them that makes them feel uncomfortable or stressed, just for the sole fact that if they don't, they are not welcome in their circle.

I truly believe that the most creative, lively and complete groups / teams are those who have a big diversity in them when it comes to level of comfort, skills and knowledge. It encourages the use of individual instinct and out of the box thinking to handle the most difficult situations..

Otherwise...

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And yes, we have entered an era where our attention span seem to have become that of a ping pong ball. Gotta love our technology information society. hf
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I love your posts Mezzo! And your *underlying* sense of humor - The Sequel. chuckle

It's happening all around, people who *were* friends, family members who *used to* get along. Before all of this.

If everyone could just mellow out a bit. Self included.

goodenergyworld
 Quoting: ~Sloane~


Thank you my dear Sloane. Had to use The Sequel and I am sure there will be a trilogy coming one of these weeks, lol. tounge

And yes, I will be the first to include myself in this whole deal as well. Too much in a hurry, short fused at times. Like you said, try to mellow out a bit..

wpeace
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A bit simplistic maybe, but everyone should be working on building community..not the kind of 'like minded folks welcome at my compound' communities we talk about all the time on here, but the 'Joe down the road knows how to fix small engines, but doesn't have time to can tomatoes like we do' kind of community. This week alone, I have been paid in venison, black caps (wild raspberries), one of the stumps in my yard was ground out, my barn foundation repaired, and someone left a bottle of wine on the porch. Some weeks there is more, some less. Sometimes I get paid in dollars.
What I do is irrelevant except that it is a skill that is valuable to others, as are many of their skills to me. This is part of pulling together and it needs to start locally..lack of coins? cashless society and you don't have a bank account? what shortages?

I haven't owned a tv since 1992. Now I probably spend too much time on this big blue box, but the time away from both was in some ways magical. I also raised children much of the way up to adulthood with neither. (side note, they do all bear a grudge due to lack of exposure to Sponge Bob)

Arguing isn't likely to change anyone's opinion on here..most consider themselves free thinkers and that alone comes with it's own burdens.

Also, I agree that poetry is one of the ways we can save ourselves. "I contain multitudes" - as do each of you. Understanding and appreciating that alone is a good start.

I am rambling..sadly out of sheer exhaustion rather than some inebriating substance so I am going to stop before it gets even more discombobulated.
peace
 Quoting: drinking buddy


Ramble on my dear DB. hugs Your words always hit home.

I have told you before how I admire your way of life and how you raised your kids and how you stand in life. You are proof of the counterweight to the madness we put ourselves through at times. And you know how to put things in perspective. I love that about you. And that is what we need to make this way of thinking spread like an ink spot, as extremely difficult as that may be. hf
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I hear you my friend.

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Love you Isis! smile_kiss
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TRUMP IS JESUS. TRUST THE PLAN. Q
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To each their own opinion. But with all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree.. Stay safe though!
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On Reason and Passion
by Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931)

From The Prophet (Knopf, 1923). This poem is in the public domain.
 Quoting: Happy in Nature


Poetry is one of the best weapons humanity has to save itself. That one is worth reading several times.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Truly loved that poem. We can use much more of that. Happy in Nature is a beautiful soul. hf
 Quoting: InterMezzo


I love Kahlil Gibran's poetry. I first read this shortly after 9/11, but it took a few years of spiritual development before the words truly resonated in my heart.

On Freedom
Kahlil Gibran - 1883-1931

And an orator said, Speak to us of Freedom.
And he answered:
At the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom,
Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them.
Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff.
And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment.

You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief,
But rather when these things girdle your life and yet your rise above them naked and unbound.

And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour?
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.

And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free?
If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead.
You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them.
And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.
For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride?
And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you.
And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared.

Verily all things move within your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded,the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape.
These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling.
And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light.
And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom.


From The Prophet (Knopf, 1923). This poem is in the public domain.
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On Reason and Passion
by Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931)

From The Prophet (Knopf, 1923). This poem is in the public domain.
 Quoting: Happy in Nature


Poetry is one of the best weapons humanity has to save itself. That one is worth reading several times.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Truly loved that poem. We can use much more of that. Happy in Nature is a beautiful soul. hf
 Quoting: InterMezzo


I love Kahlil Gibran's poetry. I first read this shortly after 9/11, but it took a few years of spiritual development before the words truly resonated in my heart.

On Freedom
Kahlil Gibran - 1883-1931

And an orator said, Speak to us of Freedom.
And he answered:
At the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom,
Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them.
Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff.
And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment.

You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief,
But rather when these things girdle your life and yet your rise above them naked and unbound.

And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour?
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.

And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free?
If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead.
You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them.
And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.
For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride?
And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you.
And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared.

Verily all things move within your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded,the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape.
These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling.
And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light.
And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom.


From The Prophet (Knopf, 1923). This poem is in the public domain.
 Quoting: Happy in Nature


I love how Janis Joplin paraphrased that last bit "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose".
"Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink
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Hi Mezzo! A great post, my friend!

My sister shared something on FB the other day - it basically said that we each have the God-given right to have our own beliefs. We DO NOT always have to agree on those beliefs. But we do have the responsibility to be respectful of each other even when we don't agree.

We used to have more compassion, more tolerance for the other person, and we depended less on how people made us FEEL as a reason for existence. Our world should not be based and governed on our feelings, because feelings are too transient and ephemeral. And too easily controlled by other people who are looking to gain power or authority over everyone else.

You say you feel a need sometimes for a re-set. I am sadly afraid that we are going to have one. Sadly, because it will likely be violent, lots of people will not make it through it, and it will be worse than anyone can imagine because of the tremendous change and upheaval. To see how the changes of the last 6 months have affected us, just multiply what a re-set will do by 1,000!!! We aren't handling change too well, it seems.

Many of us are longing for the return of what normal used to be, but I think we've opened the Pandora's box. We can't undo what we've allowed to happen. We can only move forward to try to make the best of what the new normal is going to be. I personally want to work at developing a world where we respect, value, love and find unity with each other. I am sick in my soul of the divisiveness, anger, hatred, and sometimes pure evil that is running rampant in the world today. But somewhere in all this, I still believe there is beauty, love, hope and goodness. We just have to make it a priority to look for it and celebrate it when we find it.

You are just such a one to celebrate, Mezzo my friend. Keep up the rants - even Star Wars had 6 or 7 sequels, and prequels!!! We need a gentle shaking every now and then to make us look away from the bad and look around for the good. Keep up the good effort!! Love you, my friend!
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