Measuring the Distance to the Mars 2020 Rover! | |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many rovers “on Mars”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74140004 With all kinds of “information “ sent back. And nothing on the Moon? Odd. [link to www.nasa.gov (secure)] |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's constantly changing under the gravitational forces of the sun and planets. That's why in order to be accurate, the integration I ran at the end of the video actually included all the planets out to Neptune (though you can't see the outer planets in the chart itself). Right now I think the velocity is something like 3.8 km/s relative to the earth. That is of course far lower than it was when I tracked it the evening after launch, earth's gravity is constantly trying to claw it back. It did reach escape velocity from Earth and so it is hyperbolic relative to Earth and my trajectory data shows it will reach Mars. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why not shoot straight at Mars and brake when you're there sideways with the orbital velocity of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79228467 That's not efficient at all. If you want to learn about the basics of orbital mechanics I highly recommend you try out Kerbal Space Program. I prefer Orbiter for higher fidelity simulations of the real solar system, but Kerbal has an easier learning curve when it comes to orbital mechanics. Most players will try to burn straight for their target when they first start in the game but you quickly find out why that doesn't work. Incidentally, the rover will perform a direct entry to Mars and use the atmosphere to slow down, but the martian atmosphere is thin so keeping the encounter velocity low is critical. Last Edited by Astromut on 08/05/2020 10:55 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79228467 Netherlands 08/05/2020 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why not shoot straight at Mars and brake when you're there sideways with the orbital velocity of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79228467 That's not efficient at all. If you want to learn about the basics of orbital mechanics I highly recommend you try out Kerbal Space Program. I prefer Orbiter for higher fidelity simulations of the real solar system, but Kerbal has an easier learning curve when it comes to orbital mechanics. Most players will try to burn straight for their target when they first start in the game but you quickly find out why that doesn't work. Incidentally, the rover will perform a direct entry to Mars and use the atmosphere to slow down, but the martian atmosphere is thin so keeping the encounter velocity low is critical. Yeah but that's a fuel primative |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why not shoot straight at Mars and brake when you're there sideways with the orbital velocity of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79228467 That's not efficient at all. If you want to learn about the basics of orbital mechanics I highly recommend you try out Kerbal Space Program. I prefer Orbiter for higher fidelity simulations of the real solar system, but Kerbal has an easier learning curve when it comes to orbital mechanics. Most players will try to burn straight for their target when they first start in the game but you quickly find out why that doesn't work. Incidentally, the rover will perform a direct entry to Mars and use the atmosphere to slow down, but the martian atmosphere is thin so keeping the encounter velocity low is critical. Yeah but that's a fuel primative What? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79228467 Netherlands 08/05/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why not shoot straight at Mars and brake when you're there sideways with the orbital velocity of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79228467 That's not efficient at all. If you want to learn about the basics of orbital mechanics I highly recommend you try out Kerbal Space Program. I prefer Orbiter for higher fidelity simulations of the real solar system, but Kerbal has an easier learning curve when it comes to orbital mechanics. Most players will try to burn straight for their target when they first start in the game but you quickly find out why that doesn't work. Incidentally, the rover will perform a direct entry to Mars and use the atmosphere to slow down, but the martian atmosphere is thin so keeping the encounter velocity low is critical. Yeah but that's a fuel primative What? Iv no clue about straight on to target fuel consumption, compared to orbital gravity propulsion btw |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut That's not efficient at all. If you want to learn about the basics of orbital mechanics I highly recommend you try out Kerbal Space Program. I prefer Orbiter for higher fidelity simulations of the real solar system, but Kerbal has an easier learning curve when it comes to orbital mechanics. Most players will try to burn straight for their target when they first start in the game but you quickly find out why that doesn't work. Incidentally, the rover will perform a direct entry to Mars and use the atmosphere to slow down, but the martian atmosphere is thin so keeping the encounter velocity low is critical. Yeah but that's a fuel primative What? Iv no clue about straight on to target fuel consumption, compared to orbital gravity propulsion btw Like I said, go try Kerbal Space Program, it's very educational on how orbital mechanics works. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76944367 United States 08/05/2020 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, it's real, it's as far away as NASA says, it's as fast as NASA says, it's heading where NASA says it's heading, and it originated from Earth precisely at the time of the final burn of the centaur upper stage that launched it. I know I'm going to catch all kinds of flack for showing this but I don't care. The truth is all that matters. Like I said yesterday. Even if Astro is larping, he’s picked up enough info along the way, that he might as well be a real astromut. |
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User ID: 70666044 United States 08/05/2020 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, it's real, it's as far away as NASA says, it's as fast as NASA says, it's heading where NASA says it's heading, and it originated from Earth precisely at the time of the final burn of the centaur upper stage that launched it. I know I'm going to catch all kinds of flack for showing this but I don't care. The truth is all that matters. :circlestars5: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77019293 United States 08/05/2020 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime someone has to put the word “truth” into a paragraph that relays no verbal intention on belief or opposition to the underlying meaning of topic, you have a high probability of persuasion on the author. Psychology always highlights the intention. |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime someone has to put the word “truth” into a paragraph that relays no verbal intention on belief or opposition to the underlying meaning of topic, you have a high probability of persuasion on the author. Psychology always highlights the intention. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77019293 Instead of trying to "get in my head," you can either address the empirical evidence I presented or shut up. Your choice. |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if this rover will wind up landing in Devon Island Canada like the others did? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78982076 No. Devon Island is a known testing ground for prototype designs, but that does not mean the actual missions are fake. This is why I actually did some real investigation here into whether or not the actual mission is fake. Last Edited by Astromut on 08/05/2020 11:44 AM |
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User ID: 79198931 United Kingdom 08/05/2020 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i wish i knew how they kept these Rovers so clean,almost like someone wipes the dust off every day! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75990179 Can't be martians cos I heard they only have 3 green slimy fingers...not very conducive to housekeeping The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77019293 United States 08/05/2020 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime someone has to put the word “truth” into a paragraph that relays no verbal intention on belief or opposition to the underlying meaning of topic, you have a high probability of persuasion on the author. Psychology always highlights the intention. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77019293 Instead of trying to "get in my head," you can either address the empirical evidence I presented or shut up. Your choice. Don’t get mad at me. Your subconscious acted out. I understand though. There’s always been this silent argument of proving yourself from within. The ideologies of the last word is the victorious persona. Why would one need to get in your head when your head is not controlled from the web you weave? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada 08/05/2020 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many rovers “on Mars”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74140004 With all kinds of “information “ sent back. And nothing on the Moon? Odd. Not odd. If they put them on the moon then people from Earth would be able to see if they were actually there or not with various telescopes. On Mars, its too far away. They could say anything they want and not a single person on Earth could prove it themselves. |
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User ID: 9653749 United States 08/05/2020 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, it's real, it's as far away as NASA says, it's as fast as NASA says, it's heading where NASA says it's heading, and it originated from Earth precisely at the time of the final burn of the centaur upper stage that launched it. I know I'm going to catch all kinds of flack for showing this but I don't care. The truth is all that matters. Great work. You don't see the flat-Earthers or hoax believers putting in this kind of effort. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 08/05/2020 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime someone has to put the word “truth” into a paragraph that relays no verbal intention on belief or opposition to the underlying meaning of topic, you have a high probability of persuasion on the author. Psychology always highlights the intention. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77019293 Instead of trying to "get in my head," you can either address the empirical evidence I presented or shut up. Your choice. Don’t get mad at me. Your subconscious acted out. I understand though. There’s always been this silent argument of proving yourself from within. The ideologies of the last word is the victorious persona. Why would one need to get in your head when your head is not controlled from the web you weave? Ok so you chose the latter. |