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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80362156 United States 05/13/2021 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) The article is a pretty interesting look into how errors can creep into science overtime and become accepted as dogma, to quote one paragraph: "What must have happened, she thought, was that after Wells died, scientists inside the CDC conflated his observations. They plucked the size of the particle that transmits tuberculosis out of context, making 5 microns stand in for a general definition of airborne spread. Wells’ 100-micron threshold got left behind. “You can see that the idea of what is respirable, what stays airborne, and what is infectious are all being flattened into this 5-micron phenomenon,” Randall says. Over time, through blind repetition, the error sank deeper into the medical canon. The CDC did not respond to multiple requests for comment. " Such simple rules of thumb if you will often make it harder to accept other more viable explanations like the airborne route. Look at the evidence without the notion of a 5-micron limit and airborne is the only logical explanation, impose that limit however and every other explanation gains in favorability. So basically, in the past they didn't know of any pathogen particle larger than 5 microns that could be transmitted by the airborne route. So they assumed 5 microns was the limit and to them this meant sarscov2 could not be airborne? However sarscov2 can probably be airborne at larger than 5 microns? Airborne illness itself had a bit of stigma around it after miasma theory (bad air) was prevalent in the medical world for so long before being made nearly obsolete with germ theory. So you had one guy that showed that pathogens can spread through the air whose work was mostly ignored until it was picked up for TB, whose specific pathogeneses (only works in actual lung tissue) makes it hard for particles in excess of 5 microns to make it to the lungs. So only the nitpicked 5-micron definition, which works well for tuberculosis, made it into the medical lexicon. That limit however does not apply to pathogens like influenza/cold/Sars-nCov-2 that are less picky about what part of the respiratory tract they will party in. So you have medicine as a field of science and particle physics as a separate field of science, somewhere in the 50's the two briefly talked over drinks and separated. Medical science came away with the 5-micron rule after sleeping it off forgetting that the scope of the conversation was limited to tuberculosis... Funny comment, the last paragraph. And how sad that the WHO and the CDC were not open to changing their ideas. And yes, it means significant shifts in how we set up and design buildings at great expense. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80362156 United States 05/13/2021 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Most people will remember the WHO for famously calling this virus a global threat at a far too late stage. Quoting: CoronaCoaster There was something I didn't know about, and that early last year the WHO tweeted “FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne.” (They now accept it is airborne) https://twitter.com/_/status/1392846218137464842 Allow me.... GLP knew. The article is a pretty interesting look into how errors can creep into science overtime and become accepted as dogma, to quote one paragraph: "What must have happened, she thought, was that after Wells died, scientists inside the CDC conflated his observations. They plucked the size of the particle that transmits tuberculosis out of context, making 5 microns stand in for a general definition of airborne spread. Wells’ 100-micron threshold got left behind. “You can see that the idea of what is respirable, what stays airborne, and what is infectious are all being flattened into this 5-micron phenomenon,” Randall says. Over time, through blind repetition, the error sank deeper into the medical canon. The CDC did not respond to multiple requests for comment. " Such simple rules of thumb if you will often make it harder to accept other more viable explanations like the airborne route. Look at the evidence without the notion of a 5-micron limit and airborne is the only logical explanation, impose that limit however and every other explanation gains in favorability. So basically, in the past they didn't know of any pathogen particle larger than 5 microns that could be transmitted by the airborne route. So they assumed 5 microns was the limit and to them this meant sarscov2 could not be airborne? However sarscov2 can probably be airborne at larger than 5 microns? Other things also need to be taken into consideration. Humidity, wind, etc, help to keep it aloft. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14347167 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) From another thread. A celebrity that DID get the shot and now wishes he hadn't. Quoting: Dosha Thread: BREAKING: Eric Clapton Says He Regrets Getting the Jab https://twitter.com/_/status/1392789987142389762 Stop posting this he's talking about illegal drugs. |
Dosha
User ID: 77473202 United States 05/13/2021 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) From another thread. A celebrity that DID get the shot and now wishes he hadn't. Quoting: Dosha Thread: BREAKING: Eric Clapton Says He Regrets Getting the Jab https://twitter.com/_/status/1392789987142389762 Stop posting this he's talking about illegal drugs. Chill out. He still took the jab and now regrets that. As for his drug use, not my issue. Dosha |
Covid19sars2.0
User ID: 71493486 05/13/2021 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Part from DR I can see the logic in what he says..... But would or could it happen.... When the next wave starts (October 2021), they will USE NUMBERS to show that the new variants affects the NON-VACCINATED, have more people scared enough to get vaccinated, and by March 2022, there will be a NEW VARIANT, that will kill MOST OF THE VACCINATED ONES, because their immune system, after being vaccinated, will go into overdrive, their anti-bodies will exponentially flood the body...but the new variant will be 100% resistant to those anti-bodies. Sadly, the vaccinated ones won't be ABLE to create NATURAL anti-bodies, because the ARTIFICIAL ones (created by the vaccines) will overwhelm their immune system, but won't be able to fight off the new variant, will create MORE artificial anti-bodies to fight off the virus, but they won't be able to, and so on, and so on, until cykotine storm will KILL THEM. I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch. But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling. We all love green, thanks in advance :) So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking. We all love green. Thanks in advance :) |
ShylaRose
User ID: 80349111 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) If you're going to do surge vaccinations then at least offer it to the whole country. Not surprised the decision was reversed. https://twitter.com/_/status/1392895207105089545 |
CoronaCoaster
(OP) User ID: 79702399 United States 05/13/2021 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Part from DR Quoting: Covid19sars2.0 I can see the logic in what he says..... But would or could it happen.... When the next wave starts (October 2021), they will USE NUMBERS to show that the new variants affects the NON-VACCINATED, have more people scared enough to get vaccinated, and by March 2022, there will be a NEW VARIANT, that will kill MOST OF THE VACCINATED ONES, because their immune system, after being vaccinated, will go into overdrive, their anti-bodies will exponentially flood the body...but the new variant will be 100% resistant to those anti-bodies. Sadly, the vaccinated ones won't be ABLE to create NATURAL anti-bodies, because the ARTIFICIAL ones (created by the vaccines) will overwhelm their immune system, but won't be able to fight off the new variant, will create MORE artificial anti-bodies to fight off the virus, but they won't be able to, and so on, and so on, until cykotine storm will KILL THEM. Seems to me you're much more likely to suffer cytokine storm if you have NO antibodies, rather than antibodies from either natural infection or vaccination. I do think there could be future surges of infections including in those who have been vaccinated, but I don't agree with what DR is saying there. Last Edited by CoronaCoaster on 05/13/2021 02:46 PM |
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Covid19sars2.0
User ID: 71493486 05/13/2021 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Part from DR Quoting: Covid19sars2.0 I can see the logic in what he says..... But would or could it happen.... When the next wave starts (October 2021), they will USE NUMBERS to show that the new variants affects the NON-VACCINATED, have more people scared enough to get vaccinated, and by March 2022, there will be a NEW VARIANT, that will kill MOST OF THE VACCINATED ONES, because their immune system, after being vaccinated, will go into overdrive, their anti-bodies will exponentially flood the body...but the new variant will be 100% resistant to those anti-bodies. Sadly, the vaccinated ones won't be ABLE to create NATURAL anti-bodies, because the ARTIFICIAL ones (created by the vaccines) will overwhelm their immune system, but won't be able to fight off the new variant, will create MORE artificial anti-bodies to fight off the virus, but they won't be able to, and so on, and so on, until cykotine storm will KILL THEM. Seems to me you're much more likely to suffer cytokine storm if you have NO antibodies, rather than antibodies from either natural infection or vaccination. I do think there could be future surges of infections including in those who have been vaccinated, but I don't agree with what DR is saying there. DR not the first to say it. I seen a few other biologist and biologists say that this is a worry going forward. I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch. But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling. We all love green, thanks in advance :) So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking. We all love green. Thanks in advance :) |
Serenity Now
User ID: 80362614 Italy 05/13/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Airborne illness itself had a bit of stigma around it after miasma theory (bad air) was prevalent in the medical world for so long before being made nearly obsolete with germ theory. So you had one guy that showed that pathogens can spread through the air whose work was mostly ignored until it was picked up for TB, whose specific pathogeneses (only works in actual lung tissue) makes it hard for particles in excess of 5 microns to make it to the lungs. So only the nitpicked 5-micron definition, which works well for tuberculosis, made it into the medical lexicon. That limit however does not apply to pathogens like influenza/cold/Sars-nCov-2 that are less picky about what part of the respiratory tract they will party in. Quoting: Dutchy20 So you have medicine as a field of science and particle physics as a separate field of science, somewhere in the 50's the two briefly talked over drinks and separated. Medical science came away with the 5-micron rule after sleeping it off forgetting that the scope of the conversation was limited to tuberculosis... Thanks for the explanation. Separate field of science, but still, 50's - that's a pretty long time ago. Yeah, that was a very good explanation / analogy. First tell the truth, then give your opinion.... |
Covid19sars2.0
User ID: 72336146 05/13/2021 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) https://twitter.com/_/status/1392924438757314566 https://twitter.com/_/status/1392896775942443013 So AZ is better in shot than pfizers 2 it seems I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch. But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling. We all love green, thanks in advance :) So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking. We all love green. Thanks in advance :) |
Lago
User ID: 80284035 United States 05/13/2021 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Maharashtra may have over 2,000 cases of Mucormycosis: Health Minister Rajesh Tope.... [link to www.indiatoday.in (secure)] Lago |
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Lago
User ID: 80284035 United States 05/13/2021 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Maharashtra may have over 2,000 cases of Mucormycosis: Health Minister Rajesh Tope.... [link to www.indiatoday.in (secure)] Quoting: Lago Thanks for the green, Bastetcat! Lago |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73892801 United States 05/13/2021 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) I have had bronchitis a lot in my life. 60 years hf Should I be worried about catching the woohoo flu? Is the flu done in the US? My region had no cases and people are out like it is celebration time Not worried about some hypothetical zombies infiltration years to come. That is life. What about now? It seems safe now. How about in your region? Boots on the ground in Thailand say the UK variant is really contagious and it is crazy at the hospitals. Only hearing contagious. Not zombified. |
Lago
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Dutchy20
User ID: 79233391 Netherlands 05/13/2021 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) I have had bronchitis a lot in my life. 60 years hf Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73892801 Should I be worried about catching the woohoo flu? Is the flu done in the US? My region had no cases and people are out like it is celebration time Not worried about some hypothetical zombies infiltration years to come. That is life. What about now? It seems safe now. How about in your region? Boots on the ground in Thailand say the UK variant is really contagious and it is crazy at the hospitals. Only hearing contagious. Not zombified. There is no verified zombification happening anywhere to my knowledge. From your post I take it you are from Thailand, which seems to be experience it's first big case spike in cases currently. The fact there are no cases being reported in your area does not have to mean there is no spread, there is always some delay. Best advice I can give you is to just be cautious and avoid being in crowded indoor spaces when you can. Wearing a mask helps but does not offer full protection, it's a risk reduction factor. Having had bronchitis often could mean you are at higher risk but there are so many factors involved it's impossible to tell. Vaid Status: It's a small world after all! |
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User ID: 33116269 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) U.K. If it’s 520 to 1300 Indian variant cases in a week then in 8 weeks it could be 2,000,000 a week or 285k a day! Last Edited by ParamedicUK on 05/13/2021 04:58 PM Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way…… Peace not War. |
ShylaRose
User ID: 80349111 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) This confirms what my workplace was saying weeks ago about young people getting it and preparing in case of a surge. https://twitter.com/_/status/1392926360323112963 |
kdf-77
User ID: 80356688 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Hello from westhoughton,neighbouring town to Bolton aka Indian variant capital of U.K. It’s like being back in august last year.rest of the country was out of lock down,but us still in it! same old people not abiding to rules and here we are again.hate being tarred with the BL post code as we as a town have very few cases and will be thrown back into lockdown! Message from my sons high school shows they are taking it seriously Face Coverings in schools As you may be aware, guidance around face coverings in schools will be relaxed nationally from Monday 17th May. However, this guidance allows for local decisions to reintroduce face coverings in response to localised outbreaks. Due to the current position within Greater Manchester, our Local Public Health Body has made the decision that in Bolton we should retain the current face covering guidance, involving the wearing of masks in classrooms and indoor circulation/social spaces. Thank you Let’s hope common sense prevails,even though it probably won’t |
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User ID: 80356688 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) And this appears on local news sites ummm something we are not being told? X |
Diffster
User ID: 79495338 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Hello from westhoughton,neighbouring town to Bolton aka Indian variant capital of U.K. Quoting: kdf-77 It’s like being back in august last year.rest of the country was out of lock down,but us still in it! same old people not abiding to rules and here we are again.hate being tarred with the BL post code as we as a town have very few cases and will be thrown back into lockdown! Message from my sons high school shows they are taking it seriously Face Coverings in schools As you may be aware, guidance around face coverings in schools will be relaxed nationally from Monday 17th May. However, this guidance allows for local decisions to reintroduce face coverings in response to localised outbreaks. Due to the current position within Greater Manchester, our Local Public Health Body has made the decision that in Bolton we should retain the current face covering guidance, involving the wearing of masks in classrooms and indoor circulation/social spaces. Thank you Let’s hope common sense prevails,even though it probably won’t Lisa Nandy (a very powerful Labour politician) and Robert Buckland (Tory Lord Chancellor) were on Question Time tonight, they were in agreement that the situation in Lancashire could result in a national (England) implementation of new rules/lockdown but not a local, or any local lockdowns/new rules. |
kdf-77
User ID: 80356688 United Kingdom 05/13/2021 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Hello from westhoughton,neighbouring town to Bolton aka Indian variant capital of U.K. Quoting: kdf-77 It’s like being back in august last year.rest of the country was out of lock down,but us still in it! same old people not abiding to rules and here we are again.hate being tarred with the BL post code as we as a town have very few cases and will be thrown back into lockdown! Message from my sons high school shows they are taking it seriously Face Coverings in schools As you may be aware, guidance around face coverings in schools will be relaxed nationally from Monday 17th May. However, this guidance allows for local decisions to reintroduce face coverings in response to localised outbreaks. Due to the current position within Greater Manchester, our Local Public Health Body has made the decision that in Bolton we should retain the current face covering guidance, involving the wearing of masks in classrooms and indoor circulation/social spaces. Thank you Let’s hope common sense prevails,even though it probably won’t Lisa Nandy (a very powerful Labour politician) and Robert Buckland (Tory Lord Chancellor) were on Question Time tonight, they were in agreement that the situation in Lancashire could result in a national (England) implementation of new rules/lockdown but not a local, or any local lockdowns/new rules. Yep I’m thinking they won’t mess about with the tires this time like before as it didn’t work (people travelling to lower tires for days out)back then.can’t see 21st of June full unlocking happening sadly.just frustrating being a neighbouring town to such a shitshow x |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80082546 United States 05/14/2021 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774) Part from DR Quoting: Covid19sars2.0 I can see the logic in what he says..... But would or could it happen.... When the next wave starts (October 2021), they will USE NUMBERS to show that the new variants affects the NON-VACCINATED, have more people scared enough to get vaccinated, and by March 2022, there will be a NEW VARIANT, that will kill MOST OF THE VACCINATED ONES, because their immune system, after being vaccinated, will go into overdrive, their anti-bodies will exponentially flood the body...but the new variant will be 100% resistant to those anti-bodies. Sadly, the vaccinated ones won't be ABLE to create NATURAL anti-bodies, because the ARTIFICIAL ones (created by the vaccines) will overwhelm their immune system, but won't be able to fight off the new variant, will create MORE artificial anti-bodies to fight off the virus, but they won't be able to, and so on, and so on, until cykotine storm will KILL THEM. Seems to me you're much more likely to suffer cytokine storm if you have NO antibodies, rather than antibodies from either natural infection or vaccination. I do think there could be future surges of infections including in those who have been vaccinated, but I don't agree with what DR is saying there. DR not the first to say it. I seen a few other biologist and biologists say that this is a worry going forward. I think this is also what happened in the animal trials. |