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COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774)

 
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey



We are back in South America. And the vaccinated are radiating like Chernobyl. It is absolutely jaw dropping the levels of damage done to vaccinated people before they even become symptomatic. They are literally working and living life until it all comes to a shuddering screaming halt.

"But I wasn't ill..."


Oh and do NOT get me started on what the drop in oxygen levels on a long haul flight does to vaccinated. I am not shocked at all that the airline staffers are on strike.

Not shocked at all. If you want a full up flight medical certificate and get this jab? You are placing your life inside the hands of something that wants to main you forever.
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I don't think they knew how the vaccines were going to work. They hoped it would help to prevent infection and transmission but they did not have enough time to test that outcome. They saw overwhelmed healthcare systems, even in first world countries, and probable world-wide financial collapse if they waited long enough in testing to find out. So they kicked the can down the road, perhaps hoping for a miracle. Would it have been better if they waited another two years before releasing the vaccines? I honestly doubt it.
 Quoting: Lago


Ironic…I don’t think they knew how the vaccines were going to work…anyone want to guess if they know with any certainty there’s no long term vaccine injuries…since no required long term trials were ever accomplished. I guess an acceptable risk, lies, and a fake fda approval is worth it to stop an infection that only has a 1% average death rate is worth the vaccine injuries?
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If healthcare systems had collapsed world-wide, the death-rate from all illnesses, not just covid, would have likely been unimaginable. This could still happen if a strong variant forms that over-shadows Delta and the vaccines have no effect on it. If this happens, we are going to find out what it's like living in a world without healthcare. In the 1750s, the average life expectancy was 36 years old.

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Vaccines and sarscov2 create clotting problems and damage lungs / heart. This cascades into a drop of blood saturation levels (02)

Flying at height drops the saturations lower just by the very simple act of being in a less than perfect pressurized cabin with a less than sea level pressure rating.

Which makes the body work harder and the blood thickens to compensate as it wants more of the good stuff to transport oxygen about the body.


Which is why pilots are dying at rapid rates. Their bodies are ravaged. Their hearts weakened. And at altitude, this thicker blood just grinds to a halt.


Simple physiology at work.
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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
 Quoting: Uncle Doom 77457008


After the first round of deaths… most in the US will bow. 60 to 90 days. Rough estimate
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I think it's time for

-- The Cure --


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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I do not believe it was ever intended to be false. Delta changed the game. Surely a university professor such as yourself should understand that?
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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
 Quoting: Uncle Doom 77457008


After the first round of deaths… most in the US will bow. 60 to 90 days. Rough estimate
 Quoting: CleverCreator


Excellent bit of forecasting there - as 90 days is the .Gov data on how long the 'hold outs' can stay away from all stores.

At best, 90 days.
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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
 Quoting: Uncle Doom 77457008


After the first round of deaths… most in the US will bow. 60 to 90 days. Rough estimate
 Quoting: CleverCreator


surely you get your "premonitions" from fiction Novels.

or it could be from all of your research

Two More Weeks = (60-90 days)

gotbop

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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
 Quoting: Uncle Doom 77457008


After the first round of deaths… most in the US will bow. 60 to 90 days. Rough estimate
 Quoting: CleverCreator


surely you get your "premonitions" from fiction Novels.

or it could be from all of your research

Two More Weeks = (60-90 days)

gotbop

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If you don’t see the rationing coming…. Not my problem.

I sleep just fine.
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If you don’t see the "insert expert premonition "coming…. Not my problem.

I sleep just fine.
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You have been filling in the blank
and repeating the same non-sense for How Long?
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If you don’t see the "insert expert premonition "coming…. Not my problem.

I sleep just fine.
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You have been filling in the blank
and repeating the same non-sense for How Long?
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No. Nice try. Everything is currently happening. Ignorance is the issue.

Enjoy your rations.
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If you don’t see the "insert expert premonition "coming…. Not my problem.

I sleep just fine.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


You have been filling in the blank
and repeating the same non-sense for How Long?
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No. Nice try. Everything is currently happening. Ignorance is the issue.

Enjoy your rations.
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Sure, sure, everything is currently happening.

lmao

WTB-bs
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Just a personal update -- despite the rather regular contact with others, I still seem to be Covid-free. I'm hurting a lot, but I think that's mainly from stress.

My mom is deteriorating quickly, and it's excruciating to witness. At least her pain is controlled, but that affects her cognition, and her ability to stay awake.

I'm a bit of a wreck -- trying to keep focused on work, but not doing it very effectively. I am focusing on my garden, which is flourishing, despite my inexperience. I think I'm officially hooked on gardening. I've spent too much money on garden stuff, but I'll be pretty self-sufficient with vegetables from here on out, and that's a big thing. Because I'm indoors, I'm still screwed with a long power outage ... but eventually I will have an outdoor garden (if I live that long.) For the immediate moment, I'm staying where I am, and learning all I can about indoor gardening. I'll take this setup with me wherever I end up, so it is an investment I'll use for years to come.

The plants are providing some much-needed solace in all this sadness and uncertainty.
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I am sorry about your mother. I know plants can really add a special focus to your life. I have never done plants that much and this year I got some flowering perennials. I have enjoyed watching them grow on my small outside patio.
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RATION CARDS


The good lady was in a closed door meeting with senior health advisors from around the world.



And ration cards are coming*. Digital rationing with calorific intake monitored in real time via covid pass on digital devices.


*If the steering groups in the EU and the UK *Nudge Unit* can 'sell them' as a 'Green effort' and NOT have them seen as a .Gov tool of oppression.
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Will life even be worth living? I am having mandate nightmares, really, inhibiting my sleep now, and I have been able so far to avoid a lot of the virus health fallout.
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Scotland U.K. 82% of COVID deaths are vaxxed when 80% of the population vaxxed. The jab is killing people.

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One for CC1



Fertility rate in UK at lowest since records began.

But, stillbirths also reach record low, one good point. Next year will be interesting to see if the jabby jabs affect it.

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Fertility rate in UK at lowest since records began.

But, stillbirths also reach record low, one good point. Next year will be interesting to see if the jabby jabs affect it.


 Quoting: lightning1977



While I don't disagree that people are increasingly having issues conceiving, etc, I do take issue to the way they name these stats.

"Fertility Rate" makes it sound like people are becoming infertile.

But this is not what the graph shows, it shows birth rates.

Why people are having less children cannot be concluded from this, thus one cannot tell if its a fertility issue or just people not having babies.

Its only logical during 2020/21 etc that couples planning on getting pregnant would hold off. If I have been planning to start a family in 2020 I would for sure have held off, thus birth rates would drop but not because fertility itself is affected.

Also more and more people are having less children (cost) or no children (cost/etc) and of course are seeing the world is a cesspool, and why bring a child into it?

To determine fertility itself, they would have to invasivly test every women.man, and of course this is not being done.

That said, is been clear for some time 1st populations at least (and causcasians across the board) are well on their way to breeding themselves into extinction, thus I don' believe covid/vaxx is in any way a fertility destoryer**.

There is no need as we are doing it to ourselves, and if it was, it could have been focused on Africa etc where birth rates are rampant (in poor populations primarily).


** [Edit] That is, I don't believe its primary purpose it to destroy fertility over next 10 years or whatever, it may cause in fertility but thats not the main goal.

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Vaccinated still can get long Covid but 50% lesser risk than unvaccinated.

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A new study finds that vaccinated people who get a breakthrough case of COVID-19 have a 49 percent lower risk of developing long-haul COVID-19.

Symptoms of long-haul COVID-19 can last weeks to months or even longer. They include brain fog, fatigue, persistent loss of smell or taste, hair loss, and numbness.

Some people who had mild cases of COVID-19 still end up with symptoms of long-haul COVID-19. This new study finds breakthrough cases are less likely to lead to long-haul COVID-19.
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Just a personal update -- despite the rather regular contact with others, I still seem to be Covid-free. I'm hurting a lot, but I think that's mainly from stress.

My mom is deteriorating quickly, and it's excruciating to witness. At least her pain is controlled, but that affects her cognition, and her ability to stay awake.

I'm a bit of a wreck -- trying to keep focused on work, but not doing it very effectively. I am focusing on my garden, which is flourishing, despite my inexperience. I think I'm officially hooked on gardening. I've spent too much money on garden stuff, but I'll be pretty self-sufficient with vegetables from here on out, and that's a big thing. Because I'm indoors, I'm still screwed with a long power outage ... but eventually I will have an outdoor garden (if I live that long.) For the immediate moment, I'm staying where I am, and learning all I can about indoor gardening. I'll take this setup with me wherever I end up, so it is an investment I'll use for years to come.

The plants are providing some much-needed solace in all this sadness and uncertainty.
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I'm so sorry about your mom. I'm doing indoor gardening, too. Check out the Kratky method if you haven't heard of it. It can really offset some of the more expensive equipment like the AeroGardens.

Take care. :)
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I don't think they knew how the vaccines were going to work. They hoped it would help to prevent infection and transmission but they did not have enough time to test that outcome. They saw overwhelmed healthcare systems, even in first world countries, and probable world-wide financial collapse if they waited long enough in testing to find out. So they decided that the vaccines were the lesser of two evils, perhaps hoping for a miracle. Would it have been better if they waited another two years before releasing the vaccines? I honestly doubt it. Would the world have been better off without the vaccines? I doubt it, but that is going to be debated ad-nauseam. It's not like they have stopped throwing billions at producing a more effective therapeutic, maybe a miracle will happen. Meanwhile, we still have a world to live in(be it somewhat dysfunctional).
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Question for those of you far more into conspiracy theories than myself...

WHY... WHY... WHY did they (meaning the medical community and worldwide leaders like the CDC, for instance) not push for everyone to start an immune system bolstering regiment with readily available vitamins, supplements, etc. early on (like February 2020)? Why did they not make a push for the usage of Ivermectin, HCQ, etc.? Not only didn't they push for usage, they actually demonized it (still do).

I don't get it... Was it because Trump advocated for some of the aforementioned products prior to the vaccine hitting the market? Or is Big Pharma that powerful and money hungry they'd rather people die doing nothing than to take OTC medication which actually helps?

I'm at a loss here.
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I don't think they knew how the vaccines were going to work. They hoped it would help to prevent infection and transmission but they did not have enough time to test that outcome. They saw overwhelmed healthcare systems, even in first world countries, and probable world-wide financial collapse if they waited long enough in testing to find out. So they decided that the vaccines were the lesser of two evils, perhaps hoping for a miracle. Would it have been better if they waited another two years before releasing the vaccines? I honestly doubt it. Would the world have been better off without the vaccines? I doubt it, but that is going to be debated ad-nauseam. It's not like they have stopped throwing billions at producing a more effective therapeutic, maybe a miracle will happen. Meanwhile, we still have a world to live in(be it somewhat dysfunctional).
 Quoting: Lago


Question for those of you far more into conspiracy theories than myself...

WHY... WHY... WHY did they (meaning the medical community and worldwide leaders like the CDC, for instance) not push for everyone to start an immune system bolstering regiment with readily available vitamins, supplements, etc. early on (like February 2020)? Why did they not make a push for the usage of Ivermectin, HCQ, etc.? Not only didn't they push for usage, they actually demonized it (still do).

I don't get it... Was it because Trump advocated for some of the aforementioned products prior to the vaccine hitting the market? Or is Big Pharma that powerful and money hungry they'd rather people die doing nothing than to take OTC medication which actually helps?

I'm at a loss here.
 Quoting: liber8tr


There are a lot more questions than that, why did the waffle on masks, why are N95 masks still not widely available to the public, why coverup previous mask studies proving they are not effective, why did they relax lockdowns just as the next wave was appearing, why did the stop flatten the wave campaign, why let kids return to school knowing they would spread the virus, why open large sporting events, why coverup vaccine injuries, why mandates for a virus that only kills 1-2%, why fire employees who will lose health benefits and income, why no fda approved version of the vaccine available, why prevent lawsuits for vaccine injuries if they are so sure it’s safe?
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I don't think they knew how the vaccines were going to work. They hoped it would help to prevent infection and transmission but they did not have enough time to test that outcome. They saw overwhelmed healthcare systems, even in first world countries, and probable world-wide financial collapse if they waited long enough in testing to find out. So they decided that the vaccines were the lesser of two evils, perhaps hoping for a miracle. Would it have been better if they waited another two years before releasing the vaccines? I honestly doubt it. Would the world have been better off without the vaccines? I doubt it, but that is going to be debated ad-nauseam. It's not like they have stopped throwing billions at producing a more effective therapeutic, maybe a miracle will happen. Meanwhile, we still have a world to live in(be it somewhat dysfunctional).
 Quoting: Lago


Question for those of you far more into conspiracy theories than myself...

WHY... WHY... WHY did they (meaning the medical community and worldwide leaders like the CDC, for instance) not push for everyone to start an immune system bolstering regiment with readily available vitamins, supplements, etc. early on (like February 2020)? Why did they not make a push for the usage of Ivermectin, HCQ, etc.? Not only didn't they push for usage, they actually demonized it (still do).

I don't get it... Was it because Trump advocated for some of the aforementioned products prior to the vaccine hitting the market? Or is Big Pharma that powerful and money hungry they'd rather people die doing nothing than to take OTC medication which actually helps?

I'm at a loss here.
 Quoting: liber8tr


There are a lot more questions than that, why did the waffle on masks, why are N95 masks still not widely available to the public, why coverup previous mask studies proving they are not effective, why did they relax lockdowns just as the next wave was appearing, why did the stop flatten the wave campaign, why let kids return to school knowing they would spread the virus, why open large sporting events, why coverup vaccine injuries, why mandates for a virus that only kills 1-2%, why fire employees who will lose health benefits and income, why no fda approved version of the vaccine available, why prevent lawsuits for vaccine injuries if they are so sure it’s safe?
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The only one that fits consistently is that THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US.

They can't do it overtly. There are too many of us. Thay can't just shut our power grid off.. we would repair it. It has to be boiling frog.
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I did something weird and embedded my comment in a quote... lol.

This part is from me.

Agreed, Lago, that we are just now beginning to see how this has changed our lives, for the foreseeable future.

The vax *was* marketed as helping to prevent infection and transmission, though. Even if the main goal was to reduce the number hospitalized, tptb should have said so from the beginning. All they false advertising/propaganda is just working against them. Most of the unvaxxed, at this point, have a solid reason (medical, ideological, religious, etc.) for not getting vaxxed. The more they lie, the less likely those folks are to comply.v
 Quoting: Doommonkey


I don't think they knew how the vaccines were going to work. They hoped it would help to prevent infection and transmission but they did not have enough time to test that outcome. They saw overwhelmed healthcare systems, even in first world countries, and probable world-wide financial collapse if they waited long enough in testing to find out. So they decided that the vaccines were the lesser of two evils, perhaps hoping for a miracle. Would it have been better if they waited another two years before releasing the vaccines? I honestly doubt it. Would the world have been better off without the vaccines? I doubt it, but that is going to be debated ad-nauseam. It's not like they have stopped throwing billions at producing a more effective therapeutic, maybe a miracle will happen. Meanwhile, we still have a world to live in(be it somewhat dysfunctional).
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Question for those of you far more into conspiracy theories than myself...

WHY... WHY... WHY did they (meaning the medical community and worldwide leaders like the CDC, for instance) not push for everyone to start an immune system bolstering regiment with readily available vitamins, supplements, etc. early on (like February 2020)? Why did they not make a push for the usage of Ivermectin, HCQ, etc.? Not only didn't they push for usage, they actually demonized it (still do).

I don't get it... Was it because Trump advocated for some of the aforementioned products prior to the vaccine hitting the market? Or is Big Pharma that powerful and money hungry they'd rather people die doing nothing than to take OTC medication which actually helps?

I'm at a loss here.
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Here is just one long story about pharmacy corruption. I am sure there are many others. A lot of company owners and politicians are sociopaths. If they can make money or increase their power out of fear at the expense of others, they will.

[link to time.com (secure)]
Merck wants Americans to pay $712 for a Covid drug that taxpayers helped develop... [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

The verdict is still out on Ivermectin and HCQ.. [link to headlinehealth.com (secure)]

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I still don't fully get it...

Intentional world depopulation seems about as real to me as Santa Claus. It's just too much work for too few people. And why? We're talking the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world. Too many actors would need to be involved. Just not feasible. At least not for me.

Money. Now that makes more sense and is understandable (however deplorable). I can easily see a company like Phizer paying shills to shoot down the effectiveness of Ivermectin (among other things). Look at their stock prices the past year. We're not talking about insignificant amounts of money. We're talking BILLIONS and BILLIONS!

Money is the root of all evil. Occam's Razor.
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I still do not believe for a minute this is a global-killer, however. With my very last breath I'll continue saying shutting down the entire world and destroying the global economy for something that could have been treated with OTC medication (had everyone acted early-on) will go down as the biggest blunder in the history of the world.
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I still do not believe for a minute this is a global-killer, however. With my very last breath I'll continue saying shutting down the entire world and destroying the global economy for something that could have been treated with OTC medication (had everyone acted early-on) will go down as the biggest blunder in the history of the world.
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If you go to the beginning of the main covid thread, the fear that this novel Covid virus was going to destroy the planet was palpable. Page 1 "they say that a danger for a pandemic killing thousands or millions is more lethal and more likely than a nuke war."

All we really knew was what we learnt from the 1918 Spanish flue. Masks and quarantine. Then we saw what China was doing, basically locking up its population in cities, increased that fear. We did not know then, that if we did not shut down countries, whether humanity would survive. If we had perfect hindsight, it's easier to make the right decisions.

I always remember what Dr Sanjay Gupta said last year: "For a moment, think of the United States as a human body. Full of heart and mind. Bile and blood. Muscle and fat. Like any body, it has its strengths and weaknesses, and must consistently work to prevent disease and optimize function. It needs to nourish itself, exercise, and take care of its physical and mental health.
And if the country, like the human body, were to get sick or infected, it should seek the best medical guidance and follow it, as hard as that might be.". [link to www.cnn.com (secure)]

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I still do not believe for a minute this is a global-killer, however. With my very last breath I'll continue saying shutting down the entire world and destroying the global economy for something that could have been treated with OTC medication (had everyone acted early-on) will go down as the biggest blunder in the history of the world.
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Ok, OK, it's about control.
Servitude.
Slavery.
We must not be allowed to ruin their planet.

Passports / passes / mandates / ... it's all about the control. A servile, belittled, dehumanised serf population.

And a not wery well population, either.
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I still do not believe for a minute this is a global-killer, however. With my very last breath I'll continue saying shutting down the entire world and destroying the global economy for something that could have been treated with OTC medication (had everyone acted early-on) will go down as the biggest blunder in the history of the world.
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Ok, OK, it's about control.
Servitude.
Slavery.
We must not be allowed to ruin their planet.

Passports / passes / mandates / ... it's all about the control. A servile, belittled, dehumanised serf population.

And a not wery well population, either.
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Here’s what the Covid inquiry didn’t tell you – being poor was like a death sentence... [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

This, of course, is true throughout the world.
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I still do not believe for a minute this is a global-killer, however. With my very last breath I'll continue saying shutting down the entire world and destroying the global economy for something that could have been treated with OTC medication (had everyone acted early-on) will go down as the biggest blunder in the history of the world.
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Ok, OK, it's about control.
Servitude.
Slavery.
We must not be allowed to ruin their planet.

Passports / passes / mandates / ... it's all about the control. A servile, belittled, dehumanised serf population.

And a not wery well population, either.
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Here’s what the Covid inquiry didn’t tell you – being poor was like a death sentence... [link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

This, of course, is true throughout the world.
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What neither the Guardian, nor the Covid inquiry told you...
There are theraputics that give you a 70-90% chance of not even needing a hospital, let alone a funeral director..

Ivermectin [link to c19ivermectin.com (secure)]
Nigella Sativa [link to c19ns.com (secure)]
HCQ,
Zinc,
Quercetin,
Aspirin,
NAC,
Budesonide,
Colchicine ...





GLP