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COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774)

 
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Continent of Africa is definitely entering their next wave.....

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I finally got the shot yesterday. Pfizer.

I experienced dizziness and hot flashes. Dizziness within ten minutes. Wasn't severe. Was off and on for about four hours post-vax. Also, hot flashes. Sore arm.

This morning. Feel pretty normal except for a few hot flashes (I am also post-menopausal).

Everyone in my extended family's had the shot...and my mother, who's in her 80's. Not one of them had a problem with it. Also, not one of them has been sick with COVID or anything else since.

I put it off because of how all of you feel, BUT my husband who is disabled, has high blood pressure and diabetes, which was a concern.

After doing months of research, going back and forth on whether I should or shouldn't get it, etc. I finally said, "Fuck it."
I didn't feel 'coerced', but I live in an area that is concerning with the Delta variant.

I do personally feel that it will most likely offer more protection against severe illness than not being vaccinated.
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Sorry, but you may well get infected, have a higher viral load and infect your husband whilst asymptomatic because of this vaccine.

I'm 100% certain the CDC will eventually admit tha the viral load in vaccinated persons is higher than for unvaxed because the virus does what it does best to transmit, when
REPLICATION AND TRANSMISSION IS NOT STOPPED.
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I finally got the shot yesterday. Pfizer.

I experienced dizziness and hot flashes. Dizziness within ten minutes. Wasn't severe. Was off and on for about four hours post-vax. Also, hot flashes. Sore arm.

This morning. Feel pretty normal except for a few hot flashes (I am also post-menopausal).

Everyone in my extended family's had the shot...and my mother, who's in her 80's. Not one of them had a problem with it. Also, not one of them has been sick with COVID or anything else since.

I put it off because of how all of you feel, BUT my husband who is disabled, has high blood pressure and diabetes, which was a concern.

After doing months of research, going back and forth on whether I should or shouldn't get it, etc. I finally said, "Fuck it."
I didn't feel 'coerced', but I live in an area that is concerning with the Delta variant.

I do personally feel that it will most likely offer more protection against severe illness than not being vaccinated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80171622


Sorry, but you may well get infected, have a higher viral load and infect your husband whilst asymptomatic because of this vaccine.

I'm 100% certain the CDC will eventually admit tha the viral load in vaccinated persons is higher than for unvaxed because the virus does what it does best to transmit, when
REPLICATION AND TRANSMISSION IS NOT STOPPED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76729146


Well you can feel a smidge better.... I don’t think they are telling the truth.

They blamed GLP for not taking the shot. We know for a fact that family and friends are much more pressure (love my GLP friends that had the shot) than the folks here.

Sooooooo. No soup for them.
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What "test" are they using to determine all these new cases? The discredited one?
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What "test" are they using to determine all these new cases? The discredited one?
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:thereitis:

Oh worse. In Iowa, we are using home antigen for a majority of tests.

And negative does not mean negative.

So about that......
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Study all the things and hope you find something is acceptable at this point. Just don't go around thinking that any of it will work or even might work just because it is being studied.
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Will the Moderna Jabs preform better over time with the higher dosing rate than Pfizer?

Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. And yet, they aren’t getting better results. The government’s vaccine development program, formerly called Operation Warp Speed, has asked Moderna to test if it could lower the dosage of its vaccine without eroding the vaccine’s protection.

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Agreed, Dutchy. I just thought it was a nice new perspective versus 21st century uv blood idiocy.
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If anyone is interested in watching Thumper unhinge....

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I finally got the shot yesterday. Pfizer.

I experienced dizziness and hot flashes. Dizziness within ten minutes. Wasn't severe. Was off and on for about four hours post-vax. Also, hot flashes. Sore arm.

This morning. Feel pretty normal except for a few hot flashes (I am also post-menopausal).

Everyone in my extended family's had the shot...and my mother, who's in her 80's. Not one of them had a problem with it. Also, not one of them has been sick with COVID or anything else since.

I put it off because of how all of you feel, BUT my husband who is disabled, has high blood pressure and diabetes, which was a concern.

After doing months of research, going back and forth on whether I should or shouldn't get it, etc. I finally said, "Fuck it."
I didn't feel 'coerced', but I live in an area that is concerning with the Delta variant.

I do personally feel that it will most likely offer more protection against severe illness than not being vaccinated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80171622


Sorry, but you may well get infected, have a higher viral load and infect your husband whilst asymptomatic because of this vaccine.

I'm 100% certain the CDC will eventually admit tha the viral load in vaccinated persons is higher than for unvaxed because the virus does what it does best to transmit, when
REPLICATION AND TRANSMISSION IS NOT STOPPED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76729146


May still get infected yes, higher viral load then non-vaccinated is not likely (fringe cases due to the extreme variance given, anecdotal evidence can be worse then no evidence), and higher chance of being asymptomatic is correct.

That said though, if you do not change your behaviour pre- into post-vaccination there is still a lower overall chance of becoming infected (40-65% reduction, data is shaky) and a much lower chance of any infection progressing into severe illness for the person itself.

Sure the vaccine won't stop the outbreak but there are very few scenario's where the vaccine will actively make things worse for a individual. Just because it does not eliminate all cases and all transmission does not make it useless. Any net gain should be welcomed.
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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....

The long term is still now lurking in more people.

Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....

The long term is still now lurking in more people.

Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


Holy shit... How many times do we need to say it. It prevents some transmission.

Infected is infected (not really but I will stipulate).

But not infected is not fucking infected.
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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....

The long term is still now lurking in more people.

Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
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40-65% is still a net gain, big problem is we don't know for sure and it will take a long time to figure it out.

Most of the current data is from observational studies where you look at what is happening in the real world, this gets messy because there are there to many variables.

Lab studies are less precise because humans are still largely black boxes, we can precisely measure the effects of a few dependent variables but only in isolation outside of the larger system that is the human body....

So infected may lead to long Covid at rate X. For sake of argument let's say 100% but we know it's likely much lower. Vaccine's reduce chance of infection by Y%, let's say 10% though it's likely higher. Even then in isolation there would be a 10% reduction, net gain.

If people increase their chances of infection then it becomes a dice roll. Ideally we would have vaccinated and maintained restrictions at a level to push infections to near 0. In reality we are seeing every decrease in transmission used as a excuse to increase exposure and people then shocked that nothing changed overall.
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Nice. So you still can get a life insurance which will pay if you catch covid? You just have to be vaxxed?
Nice. Really. So now we get insurances for all those vaxxed and cash out a bit later? Sounds like a business idea..
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India is in trouble.

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Wordsie.... I don’t think you are gonna like the next couple of waves...

Don’t look.

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I finally got the shot yesterday. Pfizer.

I experienced dizziness and hot flashes. Dizziness within ten minutes. Wasn't severe. Was off and on for about four hours post-vax. Also, hot flashes. Sore arm.

This morning. Feel pretty normal except for a few hot flashes (I am also post-menopausal).

Everyone in my extended family's had the shot...and my mother, who's in her 80's. Not one of them had a problem with it. Also, not one of them has been sick with COVID or anything else since.

I put it off because of how all of you feel, BUT my husband who is disabled, has high blood pressure and diabetes, which was a concern.

After doing months of research, going back and forth on whether I should or shouldn't get it, etc. I finally said, "Fuck it."
I didn't feel 'coerced', but I live in an area that is concerning with the Delta variant.

I do personally feel that it will most likely offer more protection against severe illness than not being vaccinated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80171622


Sorry, but you may well get infected, have a higher viral load and infect your husband whilst asymptomatic because of this vaccine.

I'm 100% certain the CDC will eventually admit tha the viral load in vaccinated persons is higher than for unvaxed because the virus does what it does best to transmit, when
REPLICATION AND TRANSMISSION IS NOT STOPPED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76729146


May still get infected yes, higher viral load then non-vaccinated is not likely (fringe cases due to the extreme variance given, anecdotal evidence can be worse then no evidence), and higher chance of being asymptomatic is correct.

That said though, if you do not change your behaviour pre- into post-vaccination there is still a lower overall chance of becoming infected (40-65% reduction, data is shaky) and a much lower chance of any infection progressing into severe illness for the person itself.

Sure the vaccine won't stop the outbreak but there are very few scenario's where the vaccine will actively make things worse for a individual. Just because it does not eliminate all cases and all transmission does not make it useless. Any net gain should be welcomed.
 Quoting: Dutchy20

May I humbly suggest a good read:

[link to www.pbs.org (secure)]


From the article:

The reason this is a problem for Marek’s disease is because the vaccine is “leaky.” A leaky vaccine is one that keeps a
microbe from doing serious harm to its host, but doesn’t stop the disease from replicating and spreading to another
individual
. On the other hand, a “perfect” vaccine is one that sets up lifelong immunity that never wanes and blocks both
infection and transmission.

Sounds familiar? The mRNA vaccines do the exact same thing, they are a leaky vaccine that prevents symptoms but not providing
immunization to the disease meaning the vaccinated can catch the virus and still spread it to unvaccinated.

The result of their study confirms the fact leaky vaccines will produce killer variants wiping out the unvaccinated.

More from the article:

This study argues yes. In a second experiment, unvaccinated and vaccinated chickens were infected with one of the five
Marek’s disease strains, and then put into a second arena with a second set of unimmunized birds, known as sentinels. In
particular, the team was interested in a middle-of-the-road strain called “595” and whether it would become hotter.

It did. The virus spread to sentinel birds nine days faster if it came from a vaccinated chicken versus an unvaccinated one.
In addition, sentinels died faster when exposed to vaccinated chickens versus unvaccinated chickens.


“One way to look at that experiment is that shows vaccinating birds kills unvaccinated birds. The vaccination of one group of
birds leads to the transmission of a virus so hot that it kills the other birds, said Read said. “If you vaccinate the
mothers, the same thing happens. The offspring are protected by the maternal antibodies of the mother and that allows the
virus in the chicks to transmit before they kill the host. So they transmit and kill the other individuals.”
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Found this...

Important observations

During the study period, the delta variant was found to cause about 58% of all new COVID-19 cases in the metropolitan Houston area. Of 3,913 patients studied, 213 were infected with the delta variant and 255 were identified as vaccine breakthrough cases.

Among all vaccine breakthrough cases, 84% received the BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech), 13% received the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna), and 2% received the JNJ-78436735 vaccine (J&J/Janssen). Again, this is a reflection of the high proportion of BNT162b2 vaccinations in the U.S. health system.

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And that's how you fix the housing crisis.
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What "test" are they using to determine all these new cases? The discredited one?
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thereitis

Oh worse. In Iowa, we are using home antigen for a majority of tests.

And negative does not mean negative.

So about that......
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actually it isn't. poster is correct based on what media and CDC puts out. they lie so much nobody buys what they sell. we know they changed the testing and rules keep changing. 1 minute part of govern tells u they need 3 shots.next they say no.

causing confusion is all they have accomplished. failed tests. eveything leads to the reverse CT. they don't work to help the ppl.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....

The long term is still now lurking in more people.

Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


Holy shit... How many times do we need to say it. It prevents some transmission.

Infected is infected (not really but I will stipulate).

But not infected is not fucking infected.
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Vaccinated and infected

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Implosion of the narrative in full swing



This is astonishing, because only about 49% of Americans are fully vaccinated... yet they make up a larger share of hospitalized?
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This information from israel and uk has been available for months now and has been happening also in the usa yet in the usa people just cited bs data from so many institutions that said the opposite. Now the cdc says the vaccinated are screwed and then all of a sudden people are shocked that its happening? What a bunch of drone followers in this country its so disturbing.
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ikr. What a shock, it's almost as if the virus acts the same no matter WHAT the location is!
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Vast majority of ICU patients with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, ABC News survey finds.. [link to abcnews.go.com (secure)]
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated.. [link to apnews.com (secure)]

97% Of People Entering Hospitals For COVID-19 Are Unvaccinated.. [link to www.npr.org (secure)]


So, which is true?
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verydamned

Echoes of Vanden Bossche again...




Article also mentions the recombination of the SA variant which CC suggested last week.


A doomsday new Covid variant that could kill UP TO one in three people is a realistic possibility, according to the Government's top scientists.

Documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS — which which has a case fatality rate of 35 per cent — could be on the way.

No10's expert panel It said the likelihood of the virus mutating is highest when it is most prevalent — as is currently the case in Britain.

And a downside of Britain's hugely successful vaccine drive, it appears the country's greater levels of immunity could help speed up the process.


Scientists unveiled the threat of a super mutant variant in a paper looking at potential scenarios that could emerge in the not-so-distant future.

Experts said a future strain could be resistant to vaccines if it came about by the jab-resistant South Africa Beta variant combining with the more transmissible Kent Alpha or 'India' Delta variants.

The process — known as recombination — could lead to a strain with increased morbidity and mortality.

The team admitted vaccines should work unless there was an extra-potent mutation that rendered jabs much less effective at blocking serious disease — which many experts say is unlikely.

But they said the extra lethality would be expected even in the face of vaccination since vaccines do not provide absolute sterilising immunity.

The prospect of a deadlier variant is a realistic possibility and would have a huge impact on the UK's death toll moving forward, the scientists said.


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If the vaccine does not prevent a new variant from minimizing hospitalizations, the vaccine becomes worthless. To me, the reduction in hospitalizations is the only % that counts. Everything else is just fluff. Do I care if I get infected, no. Do I care if am laid up in my own house as sick as a dog, no. Do I care if I have to be hospitalized, gasping for every breath, thinking it might be my last, and wracking up horrendous hospital bills for my family? YES. I. DO. .... So far, as of July 30th, 2021, “Almost everyone hospitalized with COVID-19 in LA County is unvaccinated; in the month of June, 92% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 were unvaccinated,”. [link to nypost.com (secure)]
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Most people do not head to the hospital for symptoms that are basically flu-like - perhaps a bit more severe - but still in that realm. This is especially true in the more benign summer viral season. However, Fall and Winter are just around the corner and with the vaxed testing positive already - at least those they bother to - we may be facing a complete catastrophe in the making. With hundreds of thousands of the vaccinated being maimed by the shot - with a range of severity, of course - how will they fare in the more stringent viral months that are coming? I suspect the 'authorities' know very well it's going to get bad - quickly.
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I have yet to read any convincing hard evidence of long term damage due to being vaccinated. Surely, by now, if it exists we would be reading about it as BILLIONS of people have been vaccinated worldwide, not mention the vast majority of the military worldwide....Tracking Coronavirus Vaccinations Around the World.... [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] Saying, "YOU WAIT" just doesn't cut it.
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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....

The long term is still now lurking in more people.

Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


40-65% is still a net gain, big problem is we don't know for sure and it will take a long time to figure it out.

Most of the current data is from observational studies where you look at what is happening in the real world, this gets messy because there are there to many variables.

Lab studies are less precise because humans are still largely black boxes, we can precisely measure the effects of a few dependent variables but only in isolation outside of the larger system that is the human body....

So infected may lead to long Covid at rate X. For sake of argument let's say 100% but we know it's likely much lower. Vaccine's reduce chance of infection by Y%, let's say 10% though it's likely higher. Even then in isolation there would be a 10% reduction, net gain.

If people increase their chances of infection then it becomes a dice roll. Ideally we would have vaccinated and maintained restrictions at a level to push infections to near 0. In reality we are seeing every decrease in transmission used as a excuse to increase exposure and people then shocked that nothing changed overall.
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DUTCHY,i'm going to ask u the dumb question of the day just to rile CC up.

isn't your %'s and theory based on the data from the govern and makers of these vaccines?

hence,we really don't know much. it has been mostly lies. most everything on the virus was lies since the beginning in CHINA. if u read reports from SOS, u get different results.

now does the vax prevent hospitalizations and severe illness? that verdict is in limbo. let's again do some history. cases were coming down when they gave ut shots. if i give the shot to a healthy person, there is a good chance that person will not need a hospital. but the fact is that person most likely wouldn't need it without the shot either. this alone screws the %'s. it's like adding jelly beans to a bag of marbles. sure the bag weighs more,but does it really have more marbles in it?

i gave my theory to this virus. from what i have seen locally. granted that is limited due to avoiding ppl. the original strain that swept this area. skipped over healthy ppl. it only affected those with health issues. and out of those few died. this was before the vaccine. without a vax,the odds here of getting sick from the virus hinged on if u had health issues. anyone else was fine without the shot and would b with it too.


now unless u have a study on ppl who had med issues and took the shot, we have no study that tells us what % this vax is helping. and so far the only reports i see are old age nursing homes that are getting infected.

thing is the virus is mutating that ain't rocket science. GLP been saying from day 1 that would happen. anyone believing Dr Farci just realized that all of a sudden is brainwashed and should not b on GLP at all. we have no data on how the vax will deal with any mutation. it was developed to deal with the original. hence,it was doomed to failure before it got released since the virus changed by then. they can make up all the #'s they want based on the original and know that will not b reality due to the ever changing virus. it is political double talk BS as always.

they went from fake hope to keep ppl calm to confusion doing that now. yet they have no hope.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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So I said at some point waves will get closer and closer.... India is already concerned about the next wave.




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I know most people know this but 1 Lakh = 100,000
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Re: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774)
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Echoes of Vanden Bossche again...




Article also mentions the recombination of the SA variant which CC suggested last week.


A doomsday new Covid variant that could kill UP TO one in three people is a realistic possibility, according to the Government's top scientists.

Documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS — which which has a case fatality rate of 35 per cent — could be on the way.

No10's expert panel It said the likelihood of the virus mutating is highest when it is most prevalent — as is currently the case in Britain.

And a downside of Britain's hugely successful vaccine drive, it appears the country's greater levels of immunity could help speed up the process.


Scientists unveiled the threat of a super mutant variant in a paper looking at potential scenarios that could emerge in the not-so-distant future.

Experts said a future strain could be resistant to vaccines if it came about by the jab-resistant South Africa Beta variant combining with the more transmissible Kent Alpha or 'India' Delta variants.

The process — known as recombination — could lead to a strain with increased morbidity and mortality.

The team admitted vaccines should work unless there was an extra-potent mutation that rendered jabs much less effective at blocking serious disease — which many experts say is unlikely.

But they said the extra lethality would be expected even in the face of vaccination since vaccines do not provide absolute sterilising immunity.

The prospect of a deadlier variant is a realistic possibility and would have a huge impact on the UK's death toll moving forward, the scientists said.


less than 50% [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]
 Quoting: CoronaCoaster


hiding

If the vaccine does not prevent a new variant from minimizing hospitalizations, the vaccine becomes worthless. To me, the reduction in hospitalizations is the only % that counts. Everything else is just fluff. Do I care if I get infected, no. Do I care if am laid up in my own house as sick as a dog, no. Do I care if I have to be hospitalized, gasping for every breath, thinking it might be my last, and wracking up horrendous hospital bills for my family? YES. I. DO. .... So far, as of July 30th, 2021, “Almost everyone hospitalized with COVID-19 in LA County is unvaccinated; in the month of June, 92% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 were unvaccinated,”. [link to nypost.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Lago


Most people do not head to the hospital for symptoms that are basically flu-like - perhaps a bit more severe - but still in that realm. This is especially true in the more benign summer viral season. However, Fall and Winter are just around the corner and with the vaxed testing positive already - at least those they bother to - we may be facing a complete catastrophe in the making. With hundreds of thousands of the vaccinated being maimed by the shot - with a range of severity, of course - how will they fare in the more stringent viral months that are coming? I suspect the 'authorities' know very well it's going to get bad - quickly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80679477

I have yet to read any convincing hard evidence of long term damage due to being vaccinated. Surely, by now, if it exists we would be reading about it as BILLIONS of people have been vaccinated worldwide, not mention the vast majority of the military worldwide....Tracking Coronavirus Vaccinations Around the World.... [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] Saying, "YOU WAIT" just doesn't cut it.
 Quoting: Lago


Well, you're our guinea-pig!

vCJD: 2-5y to incubate from UK foodchain infections. Once symptomatic: 12 months uniformly fatal.





GLP