the demiurge punishes those who commit suicide in his world

My husband committed suicide. He had OCD very bad and strived too hard in every little thing he did for absolute perfection. He was a good and caring person, loved by many. He worked long hours with little free time, making for constant high stress and persistent anxiety. As he got older, and he wasn't old, he started to have the usual aches and pains or forgetting something not terribly important at home or at work and couldn't handle any of that. He wouldn't admit that he had a problem basically because he did not believe he had a problem despite his ritualistic behaviors such as extreme cleanliness, writing everything he did in great detail everyday, organization of every little detail. One day, I think he came to the realization that not only is the whole world around him imperfect, but that he couldn't fix it, nor himself and that he really did have a major problem all of which was simply unacceptable. So, he just took care of it without searching for a way to try to fix it. All I can think is he felt broken beyond repair. I believe it was his way of giving up. He always did everything to the extreme including suicide.

In essence, how can he not move forth after it is all said and done? He had an illness which was part of him for his whole life since childhood. Personally, I think he was far worse than just OCD and feel he had OCPD (personality disorder), and a far worse thing to have and even more difficult for others to understand.

So, how do people with mental illness fit into this scenario? They cannot. They know not what they are doing. My husbands soul and consciousness is there since his death there have been too many coincidental things happen.

All this said, my belief is that we come to this shit hole for our own reasons and our actually fortunate to be able to do it. His life taught him what he came for, but he also taught others here for their reasons. Not sure of much beyond that except that I believe the suicidal have great remorse after completion because they can't go back for all those other options that they either didn't believe could help or just didn't come to their mind as another option. In my husbands case, there is in-patient treatment centers for personality disorders. Not many because it is a difficult, if not the most difficult mental problem to help, but it does exist. Had he told me anything at all, I'd have done something since I already knew he had OCD, but there was push back whenever I gently brought the subject up, because to him, there was nothing of that sort as he was just a hard worker and on the ball with things. No, to me and mostly only me, he was extreme and at that time I only thought that he had OCD. After the fact, it was OCPD.

Mental illness for which many have simply does not fit into this whole scenario and I'm not saying that because of the loss of my husband.

NO ONE IS IN CONTROL EXCEPT FOR THE SOURCE. WHEN YOU REJECT THE SOURCE(YOUR WAY OUT), YOU END UP IN DARKNESS. STOP SPREADING LIES YOU KNOW NOTHNG ABOUT
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Of the soul of the righteous man who hath not received the mysteries at death.

And the Saviour answered and said unto Mary: "A righteous man who is perfected in all righteousness and who hath never committed any sin of any kind, and such an one who never hath received mysteries of the Light, if the time is at hand when he goeth forth out of the body, then straightway come the receivers of one of the great triple-powers,--those among whom there is a great [one],--snatch away the soul of that man from the hands of the retributive receivers and spend three days circling with it in all the creatures of the world. After three days they lead it down into the chaos, so as to lead it into all the chastisements of the judgments and to dispatch it to all the judgments. The fires of the chaos do not trouble it greatly; but they will trouble it partly for a short time.

"And with haste they take pity on it quickly, to lead it up out of the chaos and lead it on the way of the midst through all the rulers. And they [sc. the rulers] do not chastize it in their harsh judgments, but the fire of their regions troubleth it partly. And if it shall be brought into the region of Yachthanabas, the pitiless, then will he indeed not be able to chastize it in his evil judgments, but he holdeth it fast a short time, while the fire of his chastisements troubleth it partly.

And again they take pity on it quickly, and lead it up out of those regions of theirs and they do not bring it into the æons, so that the rulers of the æons do not carry it away ravishingly; they bring it on the way of the sun and bring it before the Virgin of Light. She proveth it and findeth that it is pure of sins, but letteth them not bring it to the Light, because the sign of the kingdom of the mystery is not with it. But she sealeth it with a higher seal and letteth it be cast down into the body. into the æons of righteousness,--that body which will be good to find the signs of the mysteries of the Light and inherit the Light-kingdom for ever.

"If on the contrary he hath sinned once or twice or thrice, then will he be cast back into the world again according to the type of the sins which he hath committed, the type of which I will tell you when I shall have told you the expansion of the universe.

"But the aeon Jesus says unto you: Even if a righteous man hath committed no sins at all, he cannot possibly be brought into the Light-kingdom, because the sign of the kingdom of the mysteries is not with him. In a word, it is impossible to bring souls into the Light without the mysteries of the Light-kingdom."


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Judas commited suicide

Then was with Jesus when he showed himself to disciples

Please reconcile

A sinner suffereth for each separate sin.

Mary said: "A man who hath committed all sins and all iniquities and hath not found the mysteries of the Light, will he receive the chastisements for them all at once?"

A sinner suffereth for each separate sin.Jesus answered: "Yea, he will receive it; if he hath committed three sins, he will receive chastisement for three."

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judas did because jesus told him to because he had the mysteries he was ignorant

The Outer Darkness is a realm of great torment that departed souls flee to upon death having failed to receive The Mysteries of the godhead whilst in life, as revealed by Jesus. It is the outermost region of extension from the godhead itself – which indeed is the very source of all being.

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I've actually spent a great deal of time and effort mastering the mind and meditating. You're assuming that I have no experience here. In fact, what kicked off my torture was kundalini awakening (which heightened everything) followed by a too-fast taper off of antidepressants. The antidepressant withdrawal damaged my nervous system. Combined with the heightened awareness of kundalini (which on its own can be hellish in some people), it was hell beyond comprehension.

What I'm trying to describe here is agonizing torture, not "mere" despair type thoughts (anxiety and depression -- yes these are awful on their own). The agony can be so awful that meditating is EXTREMELY difficult. Even when able to get deep into meditation, the agony is only lessened -- it still breaks through. Was Jesus able to withstand the pain of crucifixion because of his mind mastery? No, he still suffered and cried out. And BTW, I would have taken his fate a dozen times over compared to what I endured

Unfortunately I know from experience, and have been through (to some lesser extent am still experiencing) pain I would wager very few on the planet have ever experienced (due to the duration of it). Unable to sleep for more than a few hours every night, feelings like a panic attack 24/7 for nearly a year nonstop. This had nothing to do with mind control, it was purely CNS and physiological.

Doctors didn't understand and couldn't help, drugs made it worse. The brunt of this lasted almost a YEAR. Time seemed to go so slowly it seemed to stop entirely. Most of my memories are now of this time. In memory it feels decades long, no joke.

I had the "strength" to commit suicide, but couldn't deal with how my family would feel if I did so. A higher power was also proving its presence throughout (yes I realize most will dismiss me as nuts by this point, though maybe most lost me at kundalini) and felt there was perhaps some reason I had to make it through.

The point is, some unlucky souls are subject to impossibly horrific circumstances, and that they will be punished for not enduring torture is sickening to me. OP would call such a person ignorant for not being able to take it. I know better

The ultimate fate of those that find themselves within the Dragon of the Outer Darkness is absolute annihilation; being dissolved and made non-existent forever. It is important to realise though that this fate is not to be had the very moment a soul enters into the Dragon. Rather, such soul annihilation occurs only when the Outer Darkness itself as a region is destroyed, wherein at such time those souls that are presently trapped within it are themselves destroyed. It is a destruction of both the prison and its prisoners, all at once.

The event is said to occur at some time far-off into the future, when there is a general ‘correction’ of the universe itself.

To understand this more fully, it would be well to note that Gnostic thought regards the material realm inhabited by man as one that was created as a result of cosmic error. Constituting one of the lower realms in the order of creation, the domain of man is set well apart from the pure spiritual realms above it.

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Since it's a reflection, we choose our destiny. Mercy for mercy, wisdom for pursuit of wisdom, freedom for those who seek it through intelligent means. Forgiveness and kindness are the height of the mysteries.

How the demon rulers carry off souls.

"Up to the time of the cipher for them to come forth again, the rulers mutiny through the wrath of their wickedness, going straightway up to the lights, because they [Yew and Melchisedec] are not with them at that time, and they carry off the souls which they may be able to snatch away in ravishment, and destroy them through their dark smoke and their evil fire.

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Just take it from a real nag hammadi.

How do we leave? I believe we're endowed with the physical technology( hardware) to leave, and that being the pineal gland. Which must be functioning. Upon death, as long as your head didn't explode, the pineal gland releases the goodies and your transported to a place of judgement far removed from the material real. Here, you confront the demiurge, and the only way to pass through its clutches is to resonate total love. Total love? WTF? Beyond fear, beyond hate, beyond misunderstanding, there is TOTAL acceptance of good and bad and everything in between. If this vibratory state can be achieve, I believe one will pass through.

all "soul" no matter how they treat their bodies (we all abuse our bodies, now) wait in "limbo" for lack of a better word, until NATURE provides them with another body (duplicate, with upgrades- to replace your UNIQUE body). This process begins at birth, and takes ten generations to manifest as a baby ...

Souls are Spirit entities, who embody the physical world, to expand their consciousness - at their own pace, so it takes many many "life-times" for them to gain the knowledge and skills that they need, before they can move from the 3D into the next dimension of life ... We are not judged - it doesn't matter how we "loose" our ability to progress - no one "graduates" the 3D until they have Mastered the Human Instrument - it is just a matter of time - everyone will "move on" eventually

The "death/waiting" process can be avoided if you take good care of your body ...and it lasts the 200 years needed to replace it ... Science has discovered that Humans CAN live that long and were originally intended to live until they could simply transfer their consciousness into their new body and continue experiencing Life, without any interruptions of consciousness ... or they can follow the example of Jesus, who, because he had established a symbiotic relationship with Nature learned how to reconfigure his body to a higher frequency, and move into the next dimension, while still in the body ...and the "recycling" process is no longer necessary once we know how align it with the next dimensions frequencies.

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Knowing this, allows one to "discover" who they were in their last life, by going back ten generations ... and finding themselves ... because the process demands that your "new" body has the same "bloodlines" as the original ... it is not so much a "new" body but a duplicate of the one(s) we abused ... LIFE is eternal, Souls are eternal, but until we discover how to fuse them together - we can't move into the next dimension ... and will be recycled in the 3D, until we do ... no one is "lost" - there is no "punishment" other than how long you have to wait before you can continue experiencing LIFE ... because there is no "after-life" ... you either participate in LIFE or not (there is no way to cheat)... and without a body, you can't even "watch" what goes on (in the Physical world) because you have no eyes ... ears, mouth - ect ect ect

you can save yourself from the "death" experience, or at least shorten it - or perhaps avoid it all together, depending upon how much you genuinely appreciate you body, and LIFE - which is designed to give you FULL-consciousness of your Origins and the purpose of your creation (Destiny) ... but if you kill yourself, you are just retarding your own progress ...

Death is a choice


keep in mind, Jesus only remained in Death, for three days, before he returned to LIFE, and moved on- inviting us all to "come, follow me"...

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I've often considered this as well.

only through the spirit can you escape

the demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself: ... He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise.

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THE CREATION OF THE WORLD

Gnostics always maintained that the universe was created by a demiurge, by a perverse and wicked creator. They were always wondering why the universe is so imperfect. It is like this because it was created by an equally imperfect being. It was made in his image and resemblance.

THE CREATION OF MAN

Almost all the religious myths relate that man "was created by God from dust of the ground". The bible clearly says: "And the Lord God formed man of dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul". It is saying here that god created the body and the soul of man. A physical material part, the body of dust, and an animic part, the breath of the creator, which we call soul. Now then, if man were only a body and a soul he would be like any other animal. Slightly more intelligent than the others maybe, but inside he would be more or less the same as an animal. Later we will see that after his so-called "fall", man such as we know him today is more than a body and a soul. Although god created the body and the soul there is something else.

There is an uncreated Spirit, not created by god, which has been imprisoned, enclosed, in the soul of man. The bible doesn't say so because the bible speaks of that created by god, and god created the body and soul. But Gnostics maintain that man has a body, a soul and a Spirit. Where did this Spirit, not created by the creator god, come from? Why is It there? This is one of the next issues we will be looking into.

The man in Eden, this "paradise" in which god placed him, didn't know who he was, he was only carrying out orders. He was naming the animals for example, being a sort of administrator, or representative of the creator god. There, in this "paradise" which god had prepared for him, it was like he was asleep, he did not know who he was or where he had come from. Man became aware of who he was, found himself, only after what was called "the sin", the Disobedience, when he ate the forbidden fruit and was thrown out of paradise. We will also be looking at this later on.

We have said that god created the body and the soul. For Gnostics, all creation is satanic, evil and originates from a satan creator, a satanic demiurge. So not only the body but also the soul of man is something evil and satanic.

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THE UNKNOWABLE GOD

For Gnostics, there exists another God higher than the one who created the world and man. The creator god is not the only god. There is above him another God, infinitely superior and perfect. This God, unknowable to man, is outside of this hellish and impure creation. It is impossible for man to find this God via his body and soul, imperfect and created as they are. Only the man who has completely freed himself from this can have the slightest idea or inkling of intuition of what this God, who is outside this finite and limited universe, is about. The ancient Greeks called him Agnostos Theos, the Unknown God. This God is, for the Gnostics, not only unknown but rather impossible to know, unknowable, at the very least with our ordinary form of being in this world. With a body and soul we cannot have the slightest idea of what this God, who is outside all this whole system and infinitely superior to the creator god, is. A God impossible to recognise with this body and soul, from this universe created from matter and time.

This God does not belong to a material plane but to an antimatter one. He is an antimatter God, who abhors the hell of the created matter, who with our current state of being we are not able to recognise, nor even imagine. He is a mystery to us. This Unknowable God is like an inconceivable and indescribable fire. He is the True God. But this True God, normally out of our reach, cannot manifest himself or act in this impure and imperfect universe, in these hellish dimensions of created matter and time. Only in exceptional cases can the Unknowable God penetrate these dimensions, through one of his Messengers, in order to make a generally small change, and with great sacrifice. This only happens on very rare occasions, given the conditions here, in this material hell.

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BODY, SOUL AND SPIRIT

Gnosis maintains that man is formed from three substances, three elements: the body, the soul and the Spirit. We have seen that the body and soul were created by the creator god. He created the body from the dust of the earth and gave it a soul by breathing his breath into man's nose. The body, as much as the soul, was created by the demiurge or creator god.

But there is another element in man which is uncreated, which the creator god did not create. An element which comes from another world, another kingdom, from the unknowable kingdom of antimatter which in our normal state we cannot even imagine. This spark of antimatter without which no human being would have evolved to become what he is today, is the Spirit. Without It, no human being would ever have differentiated himself from a common animal. This special spark, uncreated, divine, coming from the unknowable kingdom, is called Spirit by Gnostics.

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I am of God. I can show you, you must trust me. give me your possessions you must part with them first, or your bonds to this world remain strong

for later

Have you ever played an RPG video game? Role playing game? You are the demiurges toys. It's a technology you can't understand yet.

that spark is the sexual energy from your mommy and daddy.

it didn't come from God it came from them

i can show you the process by which one becomes slowly more alive. that is all you are really seeking, to become MORE alive, more kinetic. you want to feel the rush of violent energy through your being, for that's all God is. it's just you, there is nothing outside yourself and it's just the same for everyone else, you merge via sex , you can share energy via extreme powers of empathy but few people are actually givers.

if you find a giver everyone always knows they got a special person

After reading what some here believe about God and their supposed "demiurge" in a quasi-gnostic model, I can understand why you're miserable.

I'd be miserable too if I were as theologically warped and delusional as you are.

Be more worried about this
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Why would anyone be so foolish as take advice from Lucifer??? That is insane.