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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56514037 United States 08/08/2020 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75172675 murderers They're cops you just have to trust that they are. Don't worry that you can't see them it's definitely not a criminal or cop sitting around the corner waiting to ambush and murder you. So basically if somebody knocks and claims to be a cop but hides from view don't answer it. Because if it's a cop they're going to murder you and if it's a criminal they're going to murder you. Are cops just government thugs and goons? YES. Don't answer it. Call 911 and ask if the people claiming to be cops really are. This is great advice |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79178057 United States 08/08/2020 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I hate what they represent, comply or die. That's not freedom This is a zionist occupation putting down an insurgency, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE They use the same tactics IDF does on Palestinians, with the same results. Not "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS", it would be absurd to believe that. There are psychos in their ranks though. Those psychos need to be weeded out. So when does that start. This asshole cop is still on the force. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Criminals that are armed with deadly force don't "bring humanity with them". Officers have to be prepared and expect the worst. Else they will orphan their children. There's only one criminal in this story... |
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User ID: 79236051 United States 08/08/2020 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Both are equally bad OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76993700 George Floyd was unarmed if you really want to push the issue He should have not answers the door with a gun in his hand when the police identify themselves knocking He should have put both hands up Oh bullshit, it’s his domicile and he has every RIGHT to open his door in the middle of the night with a gun, and that doesn’t mean he heard them announce themselves during a knock. Floyd had no rights to resist, there is NO comparison. This was murder In some of my posts in this thread, Rorschach Watchmen, I too made the distinction that chances are the now dead man more than likely heard the loud booms for knocks on his front door late at night. If this is indeed a bad neighborhood then chances are he correctly answered his door while armed. He quite possibly never heard anything beyond a muffled voice accompanying the loud booming knocks on his front door. So if I were to be on the Jury of this specific court case I would easily rule in favor of the dead man and his family. Watching the second cop's camera body cam footage it is very clear the guy was never given ample warning about anything. He was shot and killed inside of literally one second. The first cop was as close to being a good cop as a modern cop can really become. He tried to loudly warn the guy something about putting the gun away or putting it down on the ground. He was rudely cut off by his amazingly blood thirsty trigger happy partner. However, because both cops did not call for an ambulance as soon as possible afterwards both cops need to go prison for the rest of their lives or be on death row. The first cop murdered the guy. The second cop was a willing accomplice because he never rendered aid in any sort of way or ways. To me calling for an ambulance is a form of rendering aid. Especially if you are not a medical or healer type of individual. Standard procedure now to let the victim bleed out so he can't be a witness in court. OH!! I so want to believe that, AC... Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78218917 United States 08/08/2020 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78703378 So basically if somebody knocks and claims to be a cop but hides from view don't answer it. Because if it's a cop they're going to murder you and if it's a criminal they're going to murder you. Are cops just government thugs and goons? YES. Don't answer it. Call 911 and ask if the people claiming to be cops really are. This is great advice So long as they don't kick the door in and murder everybody inside. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78218917 United States 08/08/2020 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Criminals that are armed with deadly force don't "bring humanity with them". Officers have to be prepared and expect the worst. Else they will orphan their children. There's only one criminal in this story... Exactly, officer thug. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78218917 United States 08/08/2020 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Rorschach Watchmen Oh bullshit, it’s his domicile and he has every RIGHT to open his door in the middle of the night with a gun, and that doesn’t mean he heard them announce themselves during a knock. Floyd had no rights to resist, there is NO comparison. This was murder In some of my posts in this thread, Rorschach Watchmen, I too made the distinction that chances are the now dead man more than likely heard the loud booms for knocks on his front door late at night. If this is indeed a bad neighborhood then chances are he correctly answered his door while armed. He quite possibly never heard anything beyond a muffled voice accompanying the loud booming knocks on his front door. So if I were to be on the Jury of this specific court case I would easily rule in favor of the dead man and his family. Watching the second cop's camera body cam footage it is very clear the guy was never given ample warning about anything. He was shot and killed inside of literally one second. The first cop was as close to being a good cop as a modern cop can really become. He tried to loudly warn the guy something about putting the gun away or putting it down on the ground. He was rudely cut off by his amazingly blood thirsty trigger happy partner. However, because both cops did not call for an ambulance as soon as possible afterwards both cops need to go prison for the rest of their lives or be on death row. The first cop murdered the guy. The second cop was a willing accomplice because he never rendered aid in any sort of way or ways. To me calling for an ambulance is a form of rendering aid. Especially if you are not a medical or healer type of individual. Standard procedure now to let the victim bleed out so he can't be a witness in court. OH!! I so want to believe that, AC... He's telling the truth. A survivor can testify. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78218917 United States 08/08/2020 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I hate what they represent, comply or die. That's not freedom This is a zionist occupation putting down an insurgency, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE They use the same tactics IDF does on Palestinians, with the same results. Not "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS", it would be absurd to believe that. There are psychos in their ranks though. Those psychos need to be weeded out. So when does that start. This asshole cop is still on the force. It won't because they operate like gangs. Don't ever let cops tell you AA's need to turn the bad ones when they themselves protect the bad ones in their ranks. |
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User ID: 74787602 United States 08/08/2020 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea how do you do that when you're not sure who's at the motherfucking door late at night Wise ass Exactly! If you can't see who is outside your door, how the hell do you know it's actual police? The best move is don't open the door, call 911, confirm they are officers, then open the door. Of course, with all the TRT abusing, crossfitting soy boys, you're likely to have them kickin' in your door whilst you're on the phone with dispatch. The police lose their shit so often it's hard not to sympathize, albeit not agree with, BLM. A lot of people agree with BLM on the issue of police violence. Those people have no idea that BLM is a Marxist organization, funded by Soros, for goals that have nothing to do with people getting shot by cops. Outrage about the murders of innocent people is a legitimate issue but because there's never any backlash from white people about it, Soros was able to hijack the issue and use blacks as his pawns to take down the US. Those who sympathize with BLM - for right reasons - probably also have no idea that far more white people are murdered by cops because the media won't report it. Left wing media - CNNPC and MSNPC - are only in it to stir racial hatred so only cover blacks getting shot. Fox News is in the all cops are heroes camp so won't report it either. Well said. BLM is a cover for a political coup, using some public outrage over police-actions to achieve a wider-support for an altogether different agenda and mission. The public needs to be careful and exercise caution when blindly supporting alleged likeminded organizations on any given issue. Last Edited by Grey Eagle on 08/08/2020 03:19 PM :fireplace: "Remember when we used to treat colds and flu with chicken soup, saltwater gargles and warm tea instead of Communism?" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79178057 United States 08/08/2020 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75995089 Let's not forget about the guy who came to the door pretending to be a tough guy with a gun. Real men don't need guns. Your opinion about who needs a gun doesn't track with my experience. Mine neither. If you knock on my door at 2 in the morning and then hide from the peephole so I can't see you, you can bet your ass I am going to be armed. EVERY FUCKING TIME Just make sure you STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY. That's where the victim messed up. If he had of stayed inside the door threshold he would probably still be with us. Bull shit, they would have shot him inside his apartment as well. It would have made no difference to them. |
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User ID: 78212432 United States 08/08/2020 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | straight up murder guy was dropping the gun, on his knees, had one hand in the air... these cops need to be prosecuted How many of these threads have we had over the years? Some that come to mind: The guy in Arizona (Tempe, I think) who was in the motel with an air soft rifle. Remember he was face down on the floor with that psychopath cop barking contradictory orders at him? He cried and begged for his life. That cop was prosecuted and the fucking jury acquitted him. Eric Garner, Brooklyn, strangled over possibly selling individual cigarettes. Cop charged, jury acquitted. Native American man and wood working artist, in Seattle. He's deaf. Walks down street, whittling a piece of wood, cops scream at him (from behind his back) to stop and drop the (pocket) knife. Because he couldn't hear, he didn't stop walking and they shot him in the back, killing him. No cop charged. Homeless guy in New Mexico, sleeping outside of town, outdoors. Cops approach like soldiers hunting the Taliban, guy - about 50' away - is holding a knife so they kill him. Nobody charged. Kelly Thomas, southern California. Schizophrenic but not violent. Cops tell him to sit on curb and he does. Then they start beating and kicking him as he screamed and called out for his father. That beating went on for 20 minutes. Five cops, IIRC. Kelly died the next day, so badly beaten he was unrecognizable. Cop got off. Mother, in argument with teenage daughter in some parking lot. Dad calls cops. Cops arrive, kill dad. Nobody charged. Video of handcuffed woman (maybe 110 lbs) arrested for drunk driving. In some room at police station she asked for her one phone call. Cops starts to rough her up (while she's handcuffed) and she demands he get his hands off her. Camera turns off then comes back on with her face down (still handcuffed) in a pool of blood because he beat the shit out of her. She lived, he was fired, no charges. Young woman in holding cell. Peeks out OPEN door to ask cop in hallway a question and he slams her face into a cement bench. She lived, no charges for him. SWAT team in Arizona (Phoenix, I think) goes to wrong house, early in the AM. Couple is sleeping. Wife wakes husband and says strangers are creeping around the bushes. Husband grabs firearm, cops break in their door and shoot over 80 times, killing him, an innocent man inside his own home. No charges for cops. SWAT, or several cops, break into wrong house, again. Missouri, maybe. Terrified couple and their two little kids scared to death, lots of screaming. Cops shoot both of their dogs who IN THEIR CRATES. Nobody charged. So many other horrible similar events where cops shoots dogs. Most in their own yards or houses. Those are just some of the videos I remember. Never mind the huge number of articles with the same stories, over and over again. Every fucking time we have these assholes jump on the threads and start defending the cops. It's like clockwork. They're as despicable as BLM and have the same black and white (no pun intended) thinking: all cops good or all cops bad stupidity. Extremists who are too stupid to see GRAY and simply oppose abuse and murder, no matter who the victim is and who did it. Fucking idiots. There have been a lot of people murdered by cops in this country and it demands a major reform. People may say that it is still a small percentage. Well, when the North Hollywood Shootout went down where the cops were outgunned, from that one small incident alone, they were able to change the entire nations police force with more powerful weapons and many military toys thanks to the federal government. So if they can change the police force across the nation from one incident, we can change it from hundreds of incidents where they are killing our loved ones and family members. Recently, there have been attempts to reform the police in several cities and in every instance, the police unions stepped in and had all attempts crushed. All unions of public sector employees need to be abolished. As for the cops, one big problem is many of the proposals about police reform are not serious and are presented by leftist idiots. Cops cannot be replaced by social workers or community groups of commies. What needs to be done is applicants have to go through extensive psychological testing prior to even getting into a police academy. Every ASPD bully needs to be weeded out. They're no different than the ASPD criminals. We need calm and confident personalities in police who have a good understanding of psychology, sociology and given the know how to handle violent situations and how to determine those that are not. We can't have these scared, over reactive, itchy trigger finger personalities on police forces. They need better education, like a full four year degree. Departments must be demilitarized. No training from Israelis or even US military. Cops are civilians not Marines. They need to be schooled in the constitution and they need to learn how to stay the fuck away from dogs! We need dog lovers on police forces. This would all be a major over hall, requiring a lot of thought and research but it has to be done or it's not serious reform. For all of these buttlickers making excuses for cops murdering people - cops were not like this in past. I remember that N Hollywood shootout and agree that that opened the door for the situation we're in now. In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined: With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world, And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor. Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator. “Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.” – Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79178057 United States 08/08/2020 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76422031 Your opinion about who needs a gun doesn't track with my experience. Mine neither. If you knock on my door at 2 in the morning and then hide from the peephole so I can't see you, you can bet your ass I am going to be armed. EVERY FUCKING TIME Just make sure you STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY. That's where the victim messed up. If he had of stayed inside the door threshold he would probably still be with us. I don't think it would have made a bit a difference. The cop shot the instant he saw a gun and it wouldnt have made any difference if the guy was in his own SHOWER A lot of them are trained to do just that by zionist madmen. The cops are being trained for the last 30 years like pavlogs dogs to point and shoot the moment they see a gun, but that makes the cops our enemy and a threat to constitution supporting pro second amendment citizens. Americans right to carry guns openly in public goes back years and years. The Communist and IDF took over control of the cops 30 years ago. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76818441 United States 08/08/2020 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Agreed! You got cops out there roaming the streets with a survival like mindset when they should be having a peace officer mindset. I get it's a savage world, but that's what they signed up for. Don't want to worry about being killed, don't become a cop. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29842978 United States 08/08/2020 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BINGO. And make police unions illegal, their purpose is to circumvent the law by putting pressure on the municipality or jurisdiction not to prosecute them. No government employed law enforcement officer should be allowed to belong to a private union. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79240841 I concur with this reform proposal, too. Now, how do we get rid of the BAR Assoc.? . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523340 United States 08/08/2020 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s amazing to me that so many people watch this video and comment on it without stating all the facts. I don’t wanna did the person who was shot open the door with a firearm in his hand but he made an aggressive step out of the door way. The step out in front of the doorway can be interpreted as a hostile action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78916442 A really dumb move. What kind of idiot lunges at a cop with a gun? The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ^TrInItY^ straight up murder guy was dropping the gun, on his knees, had one hand in the air... these cops need to be prosecuted How many of these threads have we had over the years? Some that come to mind: The guy in Arizona (Tempe, I think) who was in the motel with an air soft rifle. Remember he was face down on the floor with that psychopath cop barking contradictory orders at him? He cried and begged for his life. That cop was prosecuted and the fucking jury acquitted him. Eric Garner, Brooklyn, strangled over possibly selling individual cigarettes. Cop charged, jury acquitted. Native American man and wood working artist, in Seattle. He's deaf. Walks down street, whittling a piece of wood, cops scream at him (from behind his back) to stop and drop the (pocket) knife. Because he couldn't hear, he didn't stop walking and they shot him in the back, killing him. No cop charged. Homeless guy in New Mexico, sleeping outside of town, outdoors. Cops approach like soldiers hunting the Taliban, guy - about 50' away - is holding a knife so they kill him. Nobody charged. Kelly Thomas, southern California. Schizophrenic but not violent. Cops tell him to sit on curb and he does. Then they start beating and kicking him as he screamed and called out for his father. That beating went on for 20 minutes. Five cops, IIRC. Kelly died the next day, so badly beaten he was unrecognizable. Cop got off. Mother, in argument with teenage daughter in some parking lot. Dad calls cops. Cops arrive, kill dad. Nobody charged. Video of handcuffed woman (maybe 110 lbs) arrested for drunk driving. In some room at police station she asked for her one phone call. Cops starts to rough her up (while she's handcuffed) and she demands he get his hands off her. Camera turns off then comes back on with her face down (still handcuffed) in a pool of blood because he beat the shit out of her. She lived, he was fired, no charges. Young woman in holding cell. Peeks out OPEN door to ask cop in hallway a question and he slams her face into a cement bench. She lived, no charges for him. SWAT team in Arizona (Phoenix, I think) goes to wrong house, early in the AM. Couple is sleeping. Wife wakes husband and says strangers are creeping around the bushes. Husband grabs firearm, cops break in their door and shoot over 80 times, killing him, an innocent man inside his own home. No charges for cops. SWAT, or several cops, break into wrong house, again. Missouri, maybe. Terrified couple and their two little kids scared to death, lots of screaming. Cops shoot both of their dogs who IN THEIR CRATES. Nobody charged. So many other horrible similar events where cops shoots dogs. Most in their own yards or houses. Those are just some of the videos I remember. Never mind the huge number of articles with the same stories, over and over again. Every fucking time we have these assholes jump on the threads and start defending the cops. It's like clockwork. They're as despicable as BLM and have the same black and white (no pun intended) thinking: all cops good or all cops bad stupidity. Extremists who are too stupid to see GRAY and simply oppose abuse and murder, no matter who the victim is and who did it. Fucking idiots. There have been a lot of people murdered by cops in this country and it demands a major reform. People may say that it is still a small percentage. Well, when the North Hollywood Shootout went down where the cops were outgunned, from that one small incident alone, they were able to change the entire nations police force with more powerful weapons and many military toys thanks to the federal government. So if they can change the police force across the nation from one incident, we can change it from hundreds of incidents where they are killing our loved ones and family members. Recently, there have been attempts to reform the police in several cities and in every instance, the police unions stepped in and had all attempts crushed. All unions of public sector employees need to be abolished. As for the cops, one big problem is many of the proposals about police reform are not serious and are presented by leftist idiots. Cops cannot be replaced by social workers or community groups of commies. What needs to be done is applicants have to go through extensive psychological testing prior to even getting into a police academy. Every ASPD bully needs to be weeded out. They're no different than the ASPD criminals. We need calm and confident personalities in police who have a good understanding of psychology, sociology and given the know how to handle violent situations and how to determine those that are not. We can't have these scared, over reactive, itchy trigger finger personalities on police forces. They need better education, like a full four year degree. Departments must be demilitarized. No training from Israelis or even US military. Cops are civilians not Marines. They need to be schooled in the constitution and they need to learn how to stay the fuck away from dogs! We need dog lovers on police forces. This would all be a major over hall, requiring a lot of thought and research but it has to be done or it's not serious reform. For all of these buttlickers making excuses for cops murdering people - cops were not like this in past. I remember that N Hollywood shootout and agree that that opened the door for the situation we're in now. As does the idea of qualified immunity for cops. Qualified immunity is supposed to protect an ELECTED government official from undo pressure on doing his job right, not defend murderers and thugs who rob, rape, beat and murder citizens.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Agreed! You got cops out there roaming the streets with a survival like mindset when they should be having a peace officer mindset. I get it's a savage world, but that's what they signed up for. Don't want to worry about being killed, don't become a cop. They are trained to be an occupying paramilitary force. It is that simple. Their job is not "law enforcement", it is enforcing COMPLIANCE to the 1% with the threat of death or bodily injury. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s amazing to me that so many people watch this video and comment on it without stating all the facts. I don’t wanna did the person who was shot open the door with a firearm in his hand but he made an aggressive step out of the door way. The step out in front of the doorway can be interpreted as a hostile action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78916442 A really dumb move. What kind of idiot lunges at a cop with a gun? The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. Knock on my fucking door at 2 in the morning. I wont be standing right in front of it, I WILL BE BEHIND YOU |
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User ID: 78212432 United States 08/08/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77590476 I will not agree that he deserved to die but I do understand why a neighbor would not go to the guy's apartment to tell him to turn it down. Wonder what kind of neighborhood the apartment was in? I would assume it was in a sketchy neighborhood if people were being noisy night after night. Anyone who has ever lived in an apartment should know sound really carries, so I get the guy bring upset about the noise. Was the neighbor embellishing the bit about domestic violence? Sounds like it; however, even the girlfriend said earlier, Whitaker had gone to a close by apartment to check on a woman because he thought there was domestic violence going on. Yes, it is tragic... di, you all say, the cops are guilty because there was no domestic violence, yet they would have been equally delinquent and maybe gotten killed themselves if there was. Why does someone open the door when they don't know who is there? If someone was there to do them harm, they could have shot Whitaker within the first second as he opened the door. I wonder if he thought it was a jealous husband of the girlfriend or even his piseed off wife? If Whitaker had the mind to, he could have easily shot within a second or two the one officer facing him, the officer behind him probably reacted within the law and common sense. The sensible thing to have occurred would have been for Whitaker to have turned down the game noise and asked who was there before opening the door. I don't think he wanted to gave a confrontation with the police, but I do suspect he thought the person at the door had something to do with them no liking the arrangement of he being married and possibly the girlfriend also . Jimmy Christ, you should write some fiction. I mean you spun that whole tale out of thin air, it's almost impressive Not thin air. The guy was married but with a girlfriend. I am certain someone did not like that arrangement. Do you have any idea how quickly someone can fire upon another person? With a gun in their hand, it is a split second. Even with a gun in their holster it is a split second. DH shoots SASS shooting competition and I have done it once or twice. We are talking a fraction of a second to hit targets and that is with a gun holstered. You have no idea of how quickly a person with a gun can shoot someone. I said it was tragic but what would you have the police do? Wait to see if he fired upon the one officer? I fault the guy opening the door with a gun which in all training, they say do not have a gun unless you are prepared to fire it without hesitation and with the intent to kill (aiming for the largest area of mass) - not an arm or leg. If the cop had shot him with a taser, the guy could have gotten off a shot. They had no idea what was in his mind - it was less than three seconds! I also fault the police operator who knew it was unlikely a 'real' domestic violence situation and did not convey that to the officers.. Yet, still, even in that situation, the guy had a gun which he could have easily shoot within a fraction of a second. Moral of the story: Having a gun is fine, but assume that whomever is on the other side of the door also has a gun. Ask who is there before blindly opening the door. Like I said, I don't think the guy meant harm to the police or anyone at the door. He meant to scare whomever was there - but he certainly misunderstood that reactions to guns is not 'Oh, he has a gun, I better retreat', you have a weapon drawn unless you assume you are going to fire it AND the police assumed this. Like I have said, it is tragic but I don't fault the police on this one. He could have blown the one officer away if he was violent or high. It only takes a fraction of a second to fire! Your certain someone didn't like the arrangement? Know the family well then I take it? Familiar with everything going on in their personal lives? Taking all that conjecture away... Yes, I world expect them to have an ounce of discipline and bravery. How many open gun carriers in America? If at any time they can draw and fire (yes, it can be quick) means it's a life threatening situation for the cops .. Fuck you're going to have a lot of dead civilians. One cop saw the gun - said hands and gave a second or two for a response from the subject. The response was to lower the gun to the ground while going to his knees. The other officer opened fire. In that moment of panic two people reacted rationally, one did not. If you're that scared of being in danger, you should not be a police officer... especially in a country with so many lawfully armed citizens. Edit - fuck autocorrect Respect for that cop. he could have killed the guy and gotten away with it but he didn't want to kill anyone if he wasn't absolutely forced to. That's respect for the lives of others and his own soul. In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined: With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world, And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor. Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator. “Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.” – Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Agreed! You got cops out there roaming the streets with a survival like mindset when they should be having a peace officer mindset. I get it's a savage world, but that's what they signed up for. Don't want to worry about being killed, don't become a cop. The very first qualification for cop should be courage. How many do you see exhibiting that quality? None? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79178057 United States 08/08/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Criminals that are armed with deadly force don't "bring humanity with them". Officers have to be prepared and expect the worst. Else they will orphan their children. The cops are supposed to serve us, the majority who are not criminals but that is not what they are doing. Everyone is their enemy. Those that go along with this evil guy need to be fired. We have no use for them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari Jimmy Christ, you should write some fiction. I mean you spun that whole tale out of thin air, it's almost impressive Not thin air. The guy was married but with a girlfriend. I am certain someone did not like that arrangement. Do you have any idea how quickly someone can fire upon another person? With a gun in their hand, it is a split second. Even with a gun in their holster it is a split second. DH shoots SASS shooting competition and I have done it once or twice. We are talking a fraction of a second to hit targets and that is with a gun holstered. You have no idea of how quickly a person with a gun can shoot someone. I said it was tragic but what would you have the police do? Wait to see if he fired upon the one officer? I fault the guy opening the door with a gun which in all training, they say do not have a gun unless you are prepared to fire it without hesitation and with the intent to kill (aiming for the largest area of mass) - not an arm or leg. If the cop had shot him with a taser, the guy could have gotten off a shot. They had no idea what was in his mind - it was less than three seconds! I also fault the police operator who knew it was unlikely a 'real' domestic violence situation and did not convey that to the officers.. Yet, still, even in that situation, the guy had a gun which he could have easily shoot within a fraction of a second. Moral of the story: Having a gun is fine, but assume that whomever is on the other side of the door also has a gun. Ask who is there before blindly opening the door. Like I said, I don't think the guy meant harm to the police or anyone at the door. He meant to scare whomever was there - but he certainly misunderstood that reactions to guns is not 'Oh, he has a gun, I better retreat', you have a weapon drawn unless you assume you are going to fire it AND the police assumed this. Like I have said, it is tragic but I don't fault the police on this one. He could have blown the one officer away if he was violent or high. It only takes a fraction of a second to fire! Your certain someone didn't like the arrangement? Know the family well then I take it? Familiar with everything going on in their personal lives? Taking all that conjecture away... Yes, I world expect them to have an ounce of discipline and bravery. How many open gun carriers in America? If at any time they can draw and fire (yes, it can be quick) means it's a life threatening situation for the cops .. Fuck you're going to have a lot of dead civilians. One cop saw the gun - said hands and gave a second or two for a response from the subject. The response was to lower the gun to the ground while going to his knees. The other officer opened fire. In that moment of panic two people reacted rationally, one did not. If you're that scared of being in danger, you should not be a police officer... especially in a country with so many lawfully armed citizens. Edit - fuck autocorrect Respect for that cop. he could have killed the guy and gotten away with it but he didn't want to kill anyone if he wasn't absolutely forced to. That's respect for the lives of others and his own soul. I didnt see if he had a weapon, If he had a gun Id have knee capped him. It was obvious he was wanting to be shot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't hate the police but I don't kiss their ass either. Part of the problem is their "Bullet Proof Warrior" mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76818441 I have watched a few of his seminars and I have to say he is one evil motherfucker devoid any humanity. We do not want cops that are automatic robot like killers but ones that are human beings as well and bring humanity with them. What that guy wants is for cops to be brain dead killers with no humanity or care about their actions and where every American is their enemy. Criminals that are armed with deadly force don't "bring humanity with them". Officers have to be prepared and expect the worst. Else they will orphan their children. The cops are supposed to serve us, the majority who are not criminals but that is not what they are doing. Everyone is their enemy. Those that go along with this evil guy need to be fired. We have no use for them. IMO they behave exactly like an occupying military force suppressing an insurgency. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78523340 United States 08/08/2020 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78217190 A really dumb move. What kind of idiot lunges at a cop with a gun? The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. Knock on my fucking door at 2 in the morning. I wont be standing right in front of it, I WILL BE BEHIND YOU Wow. You must be a real badass. LOL. Are you also the kind of asshole who has no consideration for your neighbors? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Gorgol The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. Knock on my fucking door at 2 in the morning. I wont be standing right in front of it, I WILL BE BEHIND YOU Wow. You must be a real badass. LOL. Are you also the kind of asshole who has no consideration for your neighbors? My neighbors all make noise themselves. None of us call the police on each other, not since I scared off the child molester. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Gorgol The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. Knock on my fucking door at 2 in the morning. I wont be standing right in front of it, I WILL BE BEHIND YOU Wow. You must be a real badass. LOL. I know enough to get the drop on someone that is probably going to murder me if I don't. I'll give him a choice, more than he would me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29842978 United States 08/08/2020 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It won't because they operate like gangs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78218917 Don't ever let cops tell you AA's need to turn the bad ones when they themselves protect the bad ones in their ranks. Any self-avowed "good cop" who allows crime and trash within their ranks by ignoring or turning a blind eye is a complicit enabler, and, in my perspective, worse than the bad cop. The enabler accomplices are the very reason bad / dangerous / corrupt cops remain on the force. This applies to every group or organization, even churches. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77784512 United States 08/08/2020 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Gorgol The kind that did not hear the identification yell, or who does not believe that anyone shouting they are Police are indeed Police Because that can be also be used by home invaders and rapists If he didn't know it was the police then he thought it was his neighbor that he had been arguing with about the noise and not some "invader and/or rapist". If so then he came out of his apt. to threaten his neighbor with a gun because of a dispute about noise. Only a real asshole does that. Knock on my fucking door at 2 in the morning. I wont be standing right in front of it, I WILL BE BEHIND YOU Wow. You must be a real badass. LOL. Are you also the kind of asshole who has no consideration for your neighbors? Calling the cops over noise is like calling in the army because 2 guys are fighting. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79240841 United States 08/08/2020 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO what do you think was more concerning to the tenants, the video game or the GUN SHOTS and the dead tenant murdered by police? Idiot. This was not even a reason to call the police. A rule was being broken, NOT A LAW. Police should have told the Karen to call the landlord, not the police. |