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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79245219 08/09/2020 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it eliminated or deferred? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79245219 You realize most of what they are doing is forcing people into more debt, since they won't borrow voluntarily anymore. . It is a payroll tax holiday, meaning you will not have to pay it back. I don't believe it. I think it's another $1200 check game. |
Kpduties User ID: 74495628 United States 08/09/2020 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Income tax and payroll tax are 2 different things. Everyone, including retirees and those out of work pay income tax either from a paycheck or at the end of year filing. Payroll tax is separate and is what pays retirees Social Security and partially Medicare. What Trump has done is to weaken an already weak Social Security platform, so anyone hoping to retire in the next 40 years better make alternate plans. |
Keilani
User ID: 77232079 United States 08/09/2020 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you look at your pay stub, you will see 4 things: Quoting: AggregateThreat 1. federal income tax or payroll tax or federal withholding 2. SSN tax 3. medicare tax 4. state tax for those applicable #1 is the biggest, and this is the only one that is going away. here is an hourly paycheck calculator that shows you the deductions [link to www.paycheckcity.com (secure)] i do payroll for a living and pretty sure you are wrong, its not your income tax you pay, that is a variable rate and not what they're taking about. there is FICA tax which is social security and medicare and you pay half and your employer pays other half, which half is atound 6.5% of you gross, this is what payroll tax holiday is |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79245219 08/09/2020 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the "Memorandum" text. Not even an executive order. Notice the word DEFERRING right in the subject. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78250329 [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)] I knew it. . |
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User ID: 79238210 United States 08/09/2020 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correction: The Executive Order is for the 2nd and 3rd items on your list. There is already a number of news articles saying Trump is going to mess up Social Security and Medicare with this EO. People will still have to pay Federal Income tax. And this does not apply to anyone making over $100k a year. doglikeRoRuctions |
Keilani
User ID: 77232079 United States 08/09/2020 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the "Memorandum" text. Not even an executive order. Notice the word DEFERRING right in the subject. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78250329 [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)] these have been done before and always been waived, if democrats were too vote against waiving they would lose lots of votes |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77688195 United States 08/09/2020 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i do payroll for a living and pretty sure you are wrong, its not your income tax you pay, that is a variable rate and not what they're taking about. Quoting: Keilani there is FICA tax which is social security and medicare and you pay half and your employer pays other half, which half is atound 6.5% of you gross, this is what payroll tax holiday is I believe you are correct. This way it gives the employer and the employee a tax holiday. |
Texas Dave
User ID: 72840764 United States 08/09/2020 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keliani is correct, the cut is referring to SS and Medicare which results in 7.65% (6.2 for SS and 1.45% for Medicare). So, if your Gross Check every two weeks is $3,000, you’ll save $229.50 or about $460 per month. Obama has a similar payroll tax cut back in 2011 and 2012, but his only consisted of a 2% reduction (6.2 to 4.2%) in SS. I agree with another thread posted by someone that said something big must be coming as this is a drastic move by Govt. They almost never have a payroll tax holiday. Some folks are fussing as this cut does “nothing to help the unemployed”. Well, I’m sorry, the unemployed are receiving a $600 weekly paycheck from money out of thin air to sit at home to play their TurboGrafx-16 (yeah, I went old school) in their parent’s basement. What it won’t help are the disabled and the retirees; not the retirees with $3MM in their IRAs, I’m referring to the ones living off $1,400 a month in SS like some of my relatives. Last Edited by Texas Dave on 08/09/2020 09:33 AM Texas Dave |
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User ID: 77686894 United States 08/09/2020 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Income tax and payroll tax are 2 different things. Everyone, including retirees and those out of work pay income tax either from a paycheck or at the end of year filing. Payroll tax is separate and is what pays retirees Social Security and partially Medicare. What Trump has done is to weaken an already weak Social Security platform, so anyone hoping to retire in the next 40 years better make alternate plans. Quoting: Kpduties 74495628 But wait a minute. What I pay in is supposed to fund ME. Not people from 40 yrs ago. So maybe you should think about who robbed SS and put it in the general account and used it to fund things 40 yrs ago. So needed your voice back then when the conservatives warned that the democrats were stealing from SS. SS was supposed to be left alone so that it piled continue to earn interest and not need new people to fund for old people. |
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User ID: 5440985 United States 08/09/2020 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freaking Fica...... THESE RULES ARE STARTING TO ANNOY ME! Acts 24:15 15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. 1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist |
CountryWise
User ID: 77686894 United States 08/09/2020 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you look at your pay stub, you will see 4 things: Quoting: AggregateThreat 1. federal income tax or payroll tax or federal withholding 2. SSN tax 3. medicare tax 4. state tax for those applicable #1 is the biggest, and this is the only one that is going away. here is an hourly paycheck calculator that shows you the deductions [link to www.paycheckcity.com (secure)] i do payroll for a living and pretty sure you are wrong, its not your income tax you pay, that is a variable rate and not what they're taking about. there is FICA tax which is social security and medicare and you pay half and your employer pays other half, which half is atound 6.5% of you gross, this is what payroll tax holiday is OP is majorly wrong. It is the 6.2% of SS and possibly the 1.45% of Medicare tax, totaling 7.65%. Even talks about it right here at 26 U.S.C. 3101(a), which is named in the executive memorandum. [link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)] OP is wrong, PDJT never said anything about federal tax withholding. Never. |
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(OP) User ID: 78092574 United States 08/09/2020 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, just saw that you updated it to say FICA instead of FWH at the same time I wrote my last comment. Quoting: CountryWise Yea, I now get what they're doing, saving the employer AND employee some change. BUT, I am surprised, this only gives democrats ammo to scare old people about social security being in jeopardy - you know the drill. The other question is: will your employer adjust your paycheck or leave it alone? Last Edited by CharlieFoxtrot on 08/09/2020 09:56 AM |
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User ID: 77686894 United States 08/09/2020 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, just saw that you updated it to say FICA instead of FWH at the same time I wrote my last comment. Quoting: CountryWise Yea, I now get what they're doing, saving the employer AND employee some change. BUT, I am surprised, this only gives democrats ammo to scare old people about social security being in jeopardy - you know the drill. We should never listen to the dems telling us what a EO or EM is about. We all just got a 7.65% raise of our own money. Only If he means the Medicare too, otherwise it’s a 6.2% raise of our own money we get to keep for anyone making under 100k per yr. Should’ve known they would twist a raise for almost all of working people on payroll! |
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User ID: 27323919 United States 08/09/2020 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you look at your pay stub, you will see 4 things: Quoting: AggregateThreat 1. federal income tax or payroll tax or federal withholding 2. SSN tax 3. medicare tax 4. state tax for those applicable #1 is the biggest, and this is the only one that is going away. here is an hourly paycheck calculator that shows you the deductions [link to www.paycheckcity.com (secure)] i do payroll for a living and pretty sure you are wrong, its not your income tax you pay, that is a variable rate and not what they're taking about. there is FICA tax which is social security and medicare and you pay half and your employer pays other half, which half is atound 6.5% of you gross, this is what payroll tax holiday is The Employer is responsible to make sure these taxes are taken from the employees check. It is the employer who will be responsible to pay it back if Congress does not act to forgive the debt. Now, do you really think your employer is not going to take the payroll tax out if your check without a guarantee that it will be forgiven? Yes, it is going to weaken the already endangered programs, Socual Security and Medicare. |
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LameDame
User ID: 27323919 United States 08/09/2020 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody under 60 is getting SS anyway. What a scam it is. Collapse it and let it die already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79113477 How many 20 to 50 year olds have health issues due to wars and Covid, not to nention arthritis, diabetes, heart conditions, high blood pressure, etc? There are more and more cases if autoimmune disease. In my early sixties I began to suffer from repetitive motion. How many people can work into their 90's? Only a blessed few. It is not a scam. It was started so that those over 65 would have an income. Medicare was started so that the aged and dying did not lose their homes and savings to medical expenses. |
LameDame
User ID: 27323919 United States 08/09/2020 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody under 60 is getting SS anyway. What a scam it is. Collapse it and let it die already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79113477 I heard that 35 years ago.....my moms drawing it now....not saying it won’t die, but spending what we don’t have is kinda our jam isn’t it? Social Security should be well funded. Congress has pilfered the funds and left the people with an IOU. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79133607 United States 08/09/2020 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, just saw that you updated it to say FICA instead of FWH at the same time I wrote my last comment. Quoting: CountryWise Yea, I now get what they're doing, saving the employer AND employee some change. BUT, I am surprised, this only gives democrats ammo to scare old people about social security being in jeopardy - you know the drill. The other question is: will your employer adjust your paycheck or leave it alone? I honestly do not see employers following through and their eliminating these two tax deductions. Executive Orders can (and will) be challenged in court. It's not official law. Too much legal risk. Especially the "defer" language. Sorry ... not happening ... don't get your hopes up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79242797 Indonesia 08/09/2020 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gov obviously doesn’t care anymore how much it spends or takes in as revenue Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76901316 You wouldn’t care much about it either if you knew a meteor is about to hit the Earth up until this year, all previous recessions were handled through interest rate changes. but the Federal Reserve is pretty obviously dysfunctional now. so they're having to do direct cash injections to keep the economy alive, but they can't judge it properly. it's just like the adrenaline injection scene from Pulp Fiction. the system is slowly falling apart but they're trying to maintain a fiction of normality as long as possible. |
LameDame
User ID: 27323919 United States 08/09/2020 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, just saw that you updated it to say FICA instead of FWH at the same time I wrote my last comment. Quoting: CountryWise Yea, I now get what they're doing, saving the employer AND employee some change. BUT, I am surprised, this only gives democrats ammo to scare old people about social security being in jeopardy - you know the drill. The other question is: will your employer adjust your paycheck or leave it alone? It is defered not dismissed. Only Congress can dismiss the debt. It is the employer who will be held for responsible for the debt if Congress does not forgive the debt. Do you think the employer is going to take that risk without a guarantee? Yes, the Dens are already claiming this is paving the way to dissolve the programs. As it is, Congress will either have to raise the tax, cut benefits, or accrue more deficit. |