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By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky

 
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By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
They are simply too far away to see!

Inverse Square Law
A law stating that the intensity of an effect such as illumination or gravitational force changes in inverse proportion to the square of the distance from the source.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Do you know how close the closest star is? It's over 4 light years away.

Think of that. Light traveling for over 4 years to get to us.

At that distance, we shouldn't see any of it.
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Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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I bet astronomers just ignore it, like St. Einstein ignored the Aether.

I mean, if a "scientist" simply ignores something, then it doesn't exist, right?

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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
reality isn't what you think it is
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Those aren't stars there are holes in the shield. Everything beyond that is just grass and trees and more land.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
reality isn't what you think it is
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Do you know how close the closest star is? It's over 4 light years away.

Think of that. Light traveling for over 4 years to get to us.

At that distance, we shouldn't see any of it.
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But it's a really big light, and looks really tiny to us!
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this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Do you know how close the closest star is? It's over 4 light years away.

Think of that. Light traveling for over 4 years to get to us.

At that distance, we shouldn't see any of it.
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But it's a really big light, and looks really tiny to us!
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Yeah, but...

The only way you could see even those big stars is if they had a radius of near light years.

Do they? No

So you shouldn't be able to see it.
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this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
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why thank you!
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Do you really think we can see our sun 56 light years away????

I mean we can barely see Jupiter or Saturn and they're right in our backyard.
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this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
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why thank you!
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If there were only a thing where you could type in a question and it would show you the answer on, like, a screen in front of you...

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

<50%--------

A star emits a certain number of visible light photons per second. Assuming they alook travel in random straight lines away from the star the number per unit area per second at a distance R is the total per second divided by the area of the sphere around the star with that radius.

Call the total number of visible light photons per second “L”, the number per unit area per second at distance R is:

L / (4 x Pi x R^2)

Which is why the luminosity depends on the inverse square of the distance.

Lets consider the case of a Sun like star at a distance of 4.4 light years (the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to us, has 2 Sun like stars at 4.37 light years plus a faint red dwarf slightly closer).

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"Peace in our time? All it took was everybody about to die."

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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74270107


why thank you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10606293


If there were only a thing where you could type in a question and it would show you the answer on, like, a screen in front of you...

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

<50%--------

A star emits a certain number of visible light photons per second. Assuming they alook travel in random straight lines away from the star the number per unit area per second at a distance R is the total per second divided by the area of the sphere around the star with that radius.

Call the total number of visible light photons per second “L”, the number per unit area per second at distance R is:

L / (4 x Pi x R^2)

Which is why the luminosity depends on the inverse square of the distance.

Lets consider the case of a Sun like star at a distance of 4.4 light years (the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to us, has 2 Sun like stars at 4.37 light years plus a faint red dwarf slightly closer).
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Well I can say that I'm glad I'm not the only one to have this thought, others have too.

Are you able to discuss the details in the answer you posted?
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74270107


why thank you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10606293


If there were only a thing where you could type in a question and it would show you the answer on, like, a screen in front of you...

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

<50%--------

A star emits a certain number of visible light photons per second. Assuming they alook travel in random straight lines away from the star the number per unit area per second at a distance R is the total per second divided by the area of the sphere around the star with that radius.

Call the total number of visible light photons per second “L”, the number per unit area per second at distance R is:

L / (4 x Pi x R^2)

Which is why the luminosity depends on the inverse square of the distance.

Lets consider the case of a Sun like star at a distance of 4.4 light years (the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to us, has 2 Sun like stars at 4.37 light years plus a faint red dwarf slightly closer).
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Seems like the two links above in the thread come up with two different answers as to how far away we could see the sun.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
this is the most mentally challenging thread ever posted on glp.

i brag im the smartest physicist on earth but you got me with this one.
robo claps for op!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74270107


why thank you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10606293


If there were only a thing where you could type in a question and it would show you the answer on, like, a screen in front of you...

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

<50%--------

A star emits a certain number of visible light photons per second. Assuming they alook travel in random straight lines away from the star the number per unit area per second at a distance R is the total per second divided by the area of the sphere around the star with that radius.

Call the total number of visible light photons per second “L”, the number per unit area per second at distance R is:

L / (4 x Pi x R^2)

Which is why the luminosity depends on the inverse square of the distance.

Lets consider the case of a Sun like star at a distance of 4.4 light years (the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to us, has 2 Sun like stars at 4.37 light years plus a faint red dwarf slightly closer).
 Quoting: ++Richardson++


Well I can say that I'm glad I'm not the only one to have this thought, others have too.

Are you able to discuss the details in the answer you posted?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10606293


Not with any credibility. I was hoping bigger brains than I have on GLP would be able to.

I stand by my original answer, it's a really big star but to us, looks really tiny.
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Do you really think we can see our sun 56 light years away????

I mean we can barely see Jupiter or Saturn and they're right in our backyard.
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Im puzzled about how the sun feels warm after its traveled millions of miles thru cold space.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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I bet astronomers just ignore it, like St. Einstein ignored the Aether.

I mean, if a "scientist" simply ignores something, then it doesn't exist, right?

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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Do you know how close the closest star is? It's over 4 light years away.

Think of that. Light traveling for over 4 years to get to us.

At that distance, we shouldn't see any of it.
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But it's a really big light, and looks really tiny to us!
 Quoting: ++Richardson++


Yeah, but...

The only way you could see even those big stars is if they had a radius of near light years.

Do they? No

So you shouldn't be able to see it.
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Again, you should actually study how it happens, instead of topping your claims with more claims, supporting your assumptions with more assumptions.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Hey and wtf 8s up with moonlight then. That ting is tiny, far away and only reflects light. Fucking tbing is stilp bright.

OP broke reality. Shit.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
They are simply too far away to see!

Inverse Square Law
A law stating that the intensity of an effect such as illumination or gravitational force changes in inverse proportion to the square of the distance from the source.
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Bravo.

i have often thought about this.

i use the example of some of our solar system probes
that go past Pluto etc.

their transmitting signal is pretty weak to start with.
so, by the time a message reaches Earth there
would be less that 1 photon per square mile on earth surface (if that at all),
and how are you going to amplify 1 photon to make an
intelligible signal.

i've been told that all the stars we see are in
our home Galaxy, and everything else is more galaxies.

lots of stuff we can't see though, (weak signal) but
Hubble manages to get enough photons to make images.
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Reality is not what you think it is.

The light from the moon is cold. The light from the sun is warm.
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God placed the stars IN the firmament. Not in outer space.
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
Perhaps you should actually research how the inverse square law applies in astronomy rather than just making a blanket assumption?
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Do you know how close the closest star is? It's over 4 light years away.

Think of that. Light traveling for over 4 years to get to us.

At that distance, we shouldn't see any of it.
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Show the calculations that prove your point instead of just making statments. I'll admit I've never calculated the lumens we should expect at 4 light years away from a star with the estimated luminosity of proxima centauri.

If you actually do the calculation you may have a great point, or you may find you were full shit and be wiser for it.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
So what if ALL the light is already there. The aether, higgs field, cosmic microwave background, ALL these things make up a giant field of waves constantly moving and crashing into each other throughout the universe.

Our eyes, ears, are basically antenna that pick up these waves. Like sound, it is not in the air, it is the crashing of those waves hitting our eardrums, then brains. Making perfect sense of even the smallest of irritations of the waves.

Same with light, Sun emits energy, it doesn't travel like we think of the word travel. It moves by reflecting off the waves that are similar to its own frequency. Kind of like a kinetic energy pendulum. The first wave of the emission stops after its hit it's first wave. That wave hits the next and so on, but dispersing and spreading the energy as it goes.

You never see light, you only see illumination of objects, just like sound. So this diffused energy is "carried" so to speak, to any matter that is in it's way. When it hits the matter it excites the waves of energy that the matter is made of.

Our eyes, like our ears, have a very fine tuned recognition of the energy being excited. We pick it up easily. Some say the energy makes a jump to a higher energy level when it hits matter and the matter itself, then emits energy, which in turn interacts with the waves around it, and goes on to interact with even more matter. But it could just be reflected energy waves. The reason we can see stars so well from our fishbowl atmosphere is because that energy has been bouncing around already for billions of years. It just so happens that when those waves hit our eyes, the atmosphere has acted like a overall brightness enhancer because of all the scattered waves and our eyes tune into that.

When the waves are highly excited they vibrate harder, crash into each other harder, excite the matter and produce heat. Even in the atmosphere. If they're reflected, like in the moon, they've already come from a ton of diffused out energy, so they aren't going to excite the waves to the point of producing heat.

There is a chance that our world is entirely bright white, 24/7, constantly. Our antennae have evolved to give us the ability to filter it all to make sense of it.


Don't ask me to further extrapolate, I'm high as fuck and this is just what came out.
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So what if ALL the light is already there. The aether, higgs field, cosmic microwave background, ALL these things make up a giant field of waves constantly moving and crashing into each other throughout the universe.

Our eyes, ears, are basically antenna that pick up these waves. Like sound, it is not in the air, it is the crashing of those waves hitting our eardrums, then brains. Making perfect sense of even the smallest of irritations of the waves.

Same with light, Sun emits energy, it doesn't travel like we think of the word travel. It moves by reflecting off the waves that are similar to its own frequency. Kind of like a kinetic energy pendulum. The first wave of the emission stops after its hit it's first wave. That wave hits the next and so on, but dispersing and spreading the energy as it goes.

You never see light, you only see illumination of objects, just like sound. So this diffused energy is "carried" so to speak, to any matter that is in it's way. When it hits the matter it excites the waves of energy that the matter is made of.

Our eyes, like our ears, have a very fine tuned recognition of the energy being excited. We pick it up easily. Some say the energy makes a jump to a higher energy level when it hits matter and the matter itself, then emits energy, which in turn interacts with the waves around it, and goes on to interact with even more matter. But it could just be reflected energy waves. The reason we can see stars so well from our fishbowl atmosphere is because that energy has been bouncing around already for billions of years. It just so happens that when those waves hit our eyes, the atmosphere has acted like a overall brightness enhancer because of all the scattered waves and our eyes tune into that.

When the waves are highly excited they vibrate harder, crash into each other harder, excite the matter and produce heat. Even in the atmosphere. If they're reflected, like in the moon, they've already come from a ton of diffused out energy, so they aren't going to excite the waves to the point of producing heat.

There is a chance that our world is entirely bright white, 24/7, constantly. Our antennae have evolved to give us the ability to filter it all to make sense of it.


Don't ask me to further extrapolate, I'm high as fuck and this is just what came out.
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Re: By the inverse square law, we shouldn't see any other stars in the sky
2 or 3 years ago we had like a collapsing tree or fernament in the color green blue ontop of our nightsky with angry shouting peoples going there road path to somewhere.

That was pretty weird back then and shocking... But a green goblin ate the debree an hour later or so

But eventually it was the northern lights ofcourse.
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Without making a sound or vibe besides one tree branch chopped of the top or something when some kind of groot went in an elevator to the top of the tree.
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reality isn't what you think it is
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Thats right.

Reality is actually an illusion brought about by lack of drugs.

Prove it isnt....
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And it snapped but the rest of the structure didn't make any sounds of collapsing, so that's very lightweight.





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