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If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?

 
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08/14/2020 08:24 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
So socialism is good
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Who says this?

Why do you refuse to answer this?

Is it because nobody actually says full socialism is good?
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because you are being disingenuous and you know it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


Lol you are the one claiming socialism is so good like it's a given fact, when what people actually claim is to want good social security.

Disingenuous? lol, nice projection
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So what you are doing is softening the message from the left radicals to something people will be ok with,

They do not say that at all. They say socialism. Even Bernie. Not we need a better safety net.
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08/14/2020 08:24 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany.
All have higher incomes and freedom index scores than USA.
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Those are all capitalist countries with high tax rates.
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08/14/2020 08:26 AM

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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Venezuela.

The government will give you free housing there.
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But there’s no food.
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08/14/2020 08:26 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
In the US the monthly cost for people needing insulin is around 500$

In Germany it's around 5€


Explain that shit if the US healtcare is so great.


Insurance companies in the US are in bed with pharma companies to pump prices and share the profit.


In Europe, one of the actor (the insurance) is public so it can tell pharma company "fuck you, 500$ is absurd. Offer a fair price or we are going to blacklist you and tell patients to buy somewhere else".

It's a good thing to limit the greed of companies.
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VERY VERY bad example

Trump just fixed this with an executive order.
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08/14/2020 08:27 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
In the US the monthly cost for people needing insulin is around 500$

In Germany it's around 5€


Explain that shit if the US healtcare is so great.


Insurance companies in the US are in bed with pharma companies to pump prices and share the profit.


In Europe, one of the actor (the insurance) is public so it can tell pharma company "fuck you, 500$ is absurd. Offer a fair price or we are going to blacklist you and tell patients to buy somewhere else".

It's a good thing to limit the greed of companies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


VERY VERY bad example

Trump just fixed this with an executive order.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


So the system WAS fucked for decades :)
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08/14/2020 08:27 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Most Americans are so selfish, that the idea to pay slightly more taxes to get bigger benefits is hideous to them, because other people benefit it too.



In their mind it's literally "I can't accept this if it benefits someone else too. I rather pay more to make sure nobody else benefits from it".


It's irrational, sociopathic, and extremely short sighted.



Imagine you can choose between a 10% chance you or one of 10 other people wins 1000$, or a 100% that everybody gets 100$.

What would you choose?

Most Americans would prefer the first choice because they are greedy and selfish, to their own detriment.

Many Europeans will prefer the second choice because they are pragmatic, and the idea that win-win is desirable is accepted.
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This is the best post I think I've read on the whole internet.

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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
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08/14/2020 08:28 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
In the US the monthly cost for people needing insulin is around 500$

In Germany it's around 5€


Explain that shit if the US healtcare is so great.


Insurance companies in the US are in bed with pharma companies to pump prices and share the profit.


In Europe, one of the actor (the insurance) is public so it can tell pharma company "fuck you, 500$ is absurd. Offer a fair price or we are going to blacklist you and tell patients to buy somewhere else".

It's a good thing to limit the greed of companies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


VERY VERY bad example

Trump just fixed this with an executive order.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


So the system WAS fucked for decades :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The socialists were trying to crash our system so we would have no choice but to accept their crappy healthcare system.
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08/14/2020 08:29 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
If capitalism is so good why do we rely on socialist china for so many products?
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China is communist not socialist..and we were sold down the river to them.
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By capitalists
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08/14/2020 08:29 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
So if it took the POTUS to keep greedy pharma companies in check, it PROVES that more business regulation is a GOOD thing.

Thank you Trump for making a point in favor of more government :)
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08/14/2020 08:29 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
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Sure, good example.

Without all that oil money how will they be when the world goes green?

Seems ironic that socialism only works when a country is blessed with natural resources and the government can exploit the resources by selling to the capitalist economies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


You must have missed my previous answer where I state I happily finance my social safety with 40% income tax.

Funny how you cherry pick what you answer to.

Don't worry your blatant sophistry is noticed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


Not at all

My point is that you are using a capitalist system to generate the tax.

No hypocrisy or sophistry, just basic facts that the capitalist system provides for the safety net.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


From the beginning I and many others claimed there's no full socialist or full capitalist countries.

It's always a mix with more or less for profit, more or less taxes, more or less government interference.


Only you try to reduce everything to socialism vs capitalism because your brain can't deal with nuances
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393



Not me, those claiming socialism will fix all problems.

You are talking about reality of hybrid systems where there are social safety nets funded by the money from capitalist profits.

(Yes it is a simplistic generalization)
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08/14/2020 08:30 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
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08/14/2020 08:32 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
In the US the monthly cost for people needing insulin is around 500$

In Germany it's around 5€


Explain that shit if the US healtcare is so great.


Insurance companies in the US are in bed with pharma companies to pump prices and share the profit.


In Europe, one of the actor (the insurance) is public so it can tell pharma company "fuck you, 500$ is absurd. Offer a fair price or we are going to blacklist you and tell patients to buy somewhere else".

It's a good thing to limit the greed of companies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


VERY VERY bad example

Trump just fixed this with an executive order.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


So the system WAS fucked for decades :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The socialists were trying to crash our system so we would have no choice but to accept their crappy healthcare system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


American companies are crashing the system all by themselves fine for being too greedy ;)

Polluting without a hint of responsibility, making people pay huge amounts for basic medicines, making people buy everything at credit.

Sorry, unchecked US corporate greediness will be what makes the US crash
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08/14/2020 08:32 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


So you can't let the market decide itself what's best for people :)
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08/14/2020 08:33 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
So if it took the POTUS to keep greedy pharma companies in check, it PROVES that more business regulation is a GOOD thing.

Thank you Trump for making a point in favor of more government :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


He's removing regulations and shrinking the government, while making the regulations we do have make sense. Bog government is the problem, not the solution.
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08/14/2020 08:33 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Not me, those claiming socialism will fix all problems.

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Not a single person in this thread said this, and you refuse to show me quotes of people saying this.

The only instance of such a claim is in your OP.

nice try
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08/14/2020 08:34 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
while making the regulations
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yes I agree, regulations are good :)

nice to see we agree :)
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08/14/2020 08:36 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
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No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


Spin it how you want.
It is big government getting involved in the market place.
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08/14/2020 08:37 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Not me, those claiming socialism will fix all problems.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


Not a single person in this thread said this, and you refuse to show me quotes of people saying this.

The only instance of such a claim is in your OP.

nice try
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


It was the premise of the OP based on statements from the Democrats and left wing radicals.

and a bunch of others

Never said it was reality, only that it was someones reality and claim. Even people here on GLP have claimed this just not in this thread.
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08/14/2020 08:37 AM
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VERY VERY bad example

Trump just fixed this with an executive order.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


So the system WAS fucked for decades :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The socialists were trying to crash our system so we would have no choice but to accept their crappy healthcare system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


American companies are crashing the system all by themselves fine for being too greedy ;)

Polluting without a hint of responsibility, making people pay huge amounts for basic medicines, making people buy everything at credit.

Sorry, unchecked US corporate greediness will be what makes the US crash
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The big corporations only exist because big government and over regulation allows them to price small companies out of the market. You socialists are so backwards it hurts....
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08/14/2020 08:40 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
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No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


So you can't let the market decide itself what's best for people :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


Not when big government is in the way. They allowed the corporations to charge us a higher price than the rest of the world. In an actual free market they would have to compete, not just pay crooked politicians to let them overcharge us. You are dumber than a sack of used condoms, son. Your university screwed you up.
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08/14/2020 08:41 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
while making the regulations
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yes I agree, regulations are good :)

nice to see we agree :)
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Fuck off, retard....
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08/14/2020 08:42 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
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No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


Spin it how you want.
It is big government getting involved in the market place.
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Big government made the mess in the first place.
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08/14/2020 08:43 AM
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So the system WAS fucked for decades :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The socialists were trying to crash our system so we would have no choice but to accept their crappy healthcare system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


American companies are crashing the system all by themselves fine for being too greedy ;)

Polluting without a hint of responsibility, making people pay huge amounts for basic medicines, making people buy everything at credit.

Sorry, unchecked US corporate greediness will be what makes the US crash
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The big corporations only exist because big government and over regulation allows them to price small companies out of the market. You socialists are so backwards it hurts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838

Maybe we should have regulations like Beirut or China they get monthly explosions are pollution you can cut with a knife.
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08/14/2020 08:43 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
If capitalism is so good why do we rely on socialist china for so many products?
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So they can afford suicide nets! You want a net when it comes here!
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08/14/2020 08:43 AM
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
It was the premise of the OP based on statements from the Democrats and left wing radicals.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79233079


Show these statements that exist only in your head.

Nobody in the US said America should be a socialist country.

That someone says he espouse socialist political tendencies is absolutely not the same thing, sorry if you fail to see that.


Genuine lol if you think Democrats want to turn America into Cuba. Just lol


democrats are no different than repubs. All corporate stooges trying to appeal to different segment of the population.
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
Commie fucks!
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
And it took big gov to do something about it :)
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No, it took a right wing president who cares about the people to fix it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


Spin it how you want.
It is big government getting involved in the market place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178057


Big government made the mess in the first place.
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No, greedy capitalists and lobbyists did.
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Re: If socialism is so good then which socialist country should I move to?
while making the regulations
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yes I agree, regulations are good :)

nice to see we agree :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


Fuck off, retard....
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lol you just can't accept that not all social talking points are bad and many are in fact good :)


It's because your brain is not capable of nuance. So you think only one side is 100% correct, and the other 100% wrong.


That's the level of reasoning of an child. No actually child are more nuanced than you
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The socialists were trying to crash our system so we would have no choice but to accept their crappy healthcare system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838


American companies are crashing the system all by themselves fine for being too greedy ;)

Polluting without a hint of responsibility, making people pay huge amounts for basic medicines, making people buy everything at credit.

Sorry, unchecked US corporate greediness will be what makes the US crash
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78477393


The big corporations only exist because big government and over regulation allows them to price small companies out of the market. You socialists are so backwards it hurts....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8296838

Maybe we should have regulations like Beirut or China they get monthly explosions are pollution you can cut with a knife.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178057


Or maybe we should only have necessary regulations and not let you useless eaters protest all competition away with your over burdensome nonsense.





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