Police and Sheriffs refusing to help Portland Until Politicians support Police.

If they were decent they wouldn't live there. Anyone deserving your sympathy left ten years ago. Anyone who didn't is an idiot. Same with Seattle and San Francisco.

That has been a problem for decades, people leave NY, CA, IL, and bring their politics with them. Many of them think that they are gracing Us with their backwards Ideology.

To protect and serve if I feel like it and I agree with your opinions yeah sounds like the oath all these Patriots took how nice to see their personal inflections supersede the Constitution

You are an intellectually dishonest snake. The insane left is burning down cities and murdering people in the streets, and treasonous leftists in power are holding the police back from bringing order to the situation. This is no mere "disagreement of opinion". This is a communist revolution that needs to be utterly crushed, and all those who took part in it need to be rounded up and put into camps. It's time for Trump to enact the insurrection act!

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Why so you can further engage in your various felonious activities unhindered and unimpeded. Well fuck that.

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Despite Gov. Kate Brown's announcement on Sunday that three neighboring law enforcement jurisdictions and Oregon State Police would help the Portland Police Bureau respond to the protests, the Clackamas County and Washington County Sheriff's Offices said Monday they will not send deputies due to what they said were policy disagreements and a lack of political support from Portland officials for law enforcement.

Is this the start of a trend, of Blue Flu?

This sparring is clear demonstration of the reason we as a society cannot bring improvement to our systems - God forbid one should use the word "change". The roadblock is black or white thinking, good or bad, all or nothing, I'm right, you're wrong, and spectrum extremism. When the fuck did we devolve to such a condition?

Suggesting that our society live without police or laws is simply a faulty extreme position, and batshit crazy, but so is the opposite "head in the sand" position that LE and the judicial system are serving the citizens who employ them.

Factually, police departments need major reform across the country, and many have reached a point of operating like the mafia.

If you are a citizen, regardless of skin color and other labels, you simply are not part of "the club" to use the phrase of George Carlin.

LE and the judicial systems became this way because they police themselves and are immune from accountability through laws such as "qualified immunity". These systems are now run to serve the systems and the "members" of the systems, and as a citizen you aren't part of that club.

I have personally had two situations twenty five years apart dealing with two different but equally unhinged people (mental instability with criminal behavior) who crossed my path. Both situations in two different jurisdictions, the system enabled and promoted criminals and police criminal activity, which as a result created more victims. In both cases, the latter has been proven; it's not speculation.

As a law abiding citizen, I was not part of "the club". The system as it is currently set up and being run is about winning, not upholding law, not due process, not civil rights, not justice. Hell, it's not even concerned about fact.

The 'members' in each of their roles want to "win" - egosyntonic serving self and the system of which you are not a member.

The cause of police and judicial reform is quite legitimate, but it has been overtaken by even more people with egosyntonic agendas and has been diluted to all or nothing, black and white thinking...and as demonstrated by the sparring discussion in this thread, no gray areas, and that's where most civilized people reside. It's also the only place where real and lasting improvements can be achieved.

Yes, we need the whole cast of players to maintain the principles of our Republic.

And, yes, effective police and judicial reform was needed decades ago.

Gray. We need to meet in the gray.

As for the domestic terrorists, anarchists, murderers and their enablers, they each should be held to account through arrest, trial and, hopefully, if justice is served, imprisoned. But they won't as long as the 'members of the club' can act with impunity and do so "under the color of law" used to serve them.

Police policing themselves and attorneys, DAs, judges and politicians having "qualified immunity" must be stopped. Just like the mafia, they should not have protections for crimes against citizens or society.

And that's my Tue morning coffee rant.
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Despite Gov. Kate Brown's announcement on Sunday that three neighboring law enforcement jurisdictions and Oregon State Police would help the Portland Police Bureau respond to the protests, the Clackamas County and Washington County Sheriff's Offices said Monday they will not send deputies due to what they said were policy disagreements and a lack of political support from Portland officials for law enforcement.

Is this the start of a trend, of Blue Flu?

Hmmm
The Police Unions are a protected class.
They are threatenng to not work unless they get what they want.


A similar thing happened with Air Traffic Controller Unions until Regean stepped in and fired them all and had them replaced.

Kate Brown the governor of Oregon, can you spot him in a sea of biological lesbians??

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If all of the Police Chiefs get together the Democrats cannot fire all of them

What if it were teacher or city unions that threatened to not work unless they get what they want?

To protect and serve if I feel like it and I agree with your opinions yeah sounds like the oath all these Patriots took how nice to see their personal inflections supersede the Constitution

Well done Sheriffs!!!!

My buddy in LE says that Sheriffs are one of greatest defenders of the Republic.

This sparring is clear demonstration of the reason we as a society cannot bring improvement to our systems - God forbid one should use the word "change". The roadblock is black or white thinking, good or bad, all or nothing, I'm right, you're wrong, and spectrum extremism. When the fuck did we devolve to such a condition?

Suggesting that our society live without police or laws is simply a faulty extreme position, and batshit crazy, but so is the opposite "head in the sand" position that LE and the judicial system are serving the citizens who employ them.

Factually, police departments need major reform across the country, and many have reached a point of operating like the mafia.

If you are a citizen, regardless of skin color and other labels, you simply are not part of "the club" to use the phrase of George Carlin.

LE and the judicial systems became this way because they police themselves and are immune from accountability through laws such as "qualified immunity". These systems are now run to serve the systems and the "members" of the systems, and as a citizen you aren't part of that club.

I have personally had two situations twenty five years apart dealing with two different but equally unhinged people (mental instability with criminal behavior) who crossed my path. Both situations in two different jurisdictions, the system enabled and promoted criminals and police criminal activity, which as a result created more victims. In both cases, the latter has been proven; it's not speculation.

As a law abiding citizen, I was not part of "the club". The system as it is currently set up and being run is about winning, not upholding law, not due process, not civil rights, not justice. Hell, it's not even concerned about fact.

The 'members' in each of their roles want to "win" - egosyntonic serving self and the system of which you are not a member.

The cause of police and judicial reform is quite legitimate, but it has been overtaken by even more people with egosyntonic agendas and has been diluted to all or nothing, black and white thinking...and as demonstrated by the sparring discussion in this thread, no gray areas, and that's where most civilized people reside. It's also the only place where real and lasting improvements can be achieved.

Yes, we need the whole cast of players to maintain the principles of our Republic.

And, yes, effective police and judicial reform was needed decades ago.

Gray. We need to meet in the gray.

As for the domestic terrorists, anarchists, murderers and their enablers, they each should be held to account through arrest, trial and, hopefully, if justice is served, imprisoned. But they won't as long as the 'members of the club' can act with impunity and do so "under the color of law" used to serve them.

Police policing themselves and attorneys, DAs, judges and politicians having "qualified immunity" must be stopped. Just like the mafia, they should not have protections for crimes against citizens or society.

And that's my Tue morning coffee rant.
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So your point of view is that once the Police and Military take the oath that they are some sort of slave without a choice?

When the system you have sworn to serve stabs you in the back, you have a right to walk away, or refuse orders that are immoral and Un-Constitutional.

Fire all the police, keep the sheriffs then.
Todays Police Force is run by Washington DC, funded by them, trained by them and supplied military gear to terrorize the population IDF style.


Take away all the military toys, DC money and training and hire new cops.

To protect and serve if I feel like it and I agree with your opinions yeah sounds like the oath all these Patriots took how nice to see their personal inflections supersede the Constitution

Police do not prevent crime. There is evidence they not only do not even discourage it, they seem to create it. They come after you're either already dead or raped or robbed.

Increase the police presence and violent crime increases.

100% of the time.

Restrict a citizens right to defend himself, crime increases

EVERY FUCKING TIME.

Kate Brown the governor of Oregon, can you spot him in a sea of biological lesbians??

To protect and serve if I feel like it and I agree with your opinions yeah sounds like the oath all these Patriots took how nice to see their personal inflections supersede the Constitution