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Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!

 
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Does he Work for CCP or Americans? NOOK THE SPOOKS.
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The USA has a secret weapon.
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In a war with China our carriers will mostly be kept far away.

Expect our carriers to hang out in the Indian ocean and South of the Philippines interdicting shipping. Also expect them to be sailing west of Hawaii.

The carriers are too valuable to risk against a well prepared, unreduced China anywhere within a thousand miles of her coast.

But one day during the war, at the most opportune moment the carrier groups will arrive in the South China Sea. And on that day their planes and missiles will strike at a thousand targets.

A carrier is a lot to risk, and delivers a powerful blow. Much like a hard right hook to a boxer. It's a punch that opens you up to danger, but that can also end the fight. A boxer doesn't start out with hard right hooks. He nabs and jukes, wears his opponent down, gets to know him, and when the time is right he risks that right hook.
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Projecting much?
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Naw, I just happen to be a knowledgeable source on these matters.
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I think they are counting the life boats , row boats and shit barely floating.CW-cowbell2
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I wouldn’t be concerned
Something tells me the US Military isn’t concerned. They must have a Trump card :)
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
Pentagon Stole $ 27 Trillion from taxpayers.
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If you would like to see a Congressional Research Services assessment that is detail comparing the US Navy vs the Chinese Navy, here's a link. They are authoritilative and constantly updated.

[link to www.everycrsreport.com (secure)]

There are some older think tank ones. I was looking at one about six months ago. Many times more is not better if they are inferior.

At issue is the replacement rate as ships would be sunk and by what means and keeping up with the maintenance schedule.
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The maintenance thing is key. The Soviet Union had an insane number of tanks, but less than half of them actually ran.
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In addition to military vessels, China has a huge merchant marine by commandeering state owner enterprise and corporate vessels, such as COSCO's ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
China's population: 1,427,647,786 (2018)
USA's population: 329,877,505 (2020 estimate)
Let that sink in... and they have modern tech, game over.
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So they just gonna march across the Pacific to the Cali shores...

They don't have enough landing craft...

They can try an airborne assault, but we'd shoot them out of the skies...
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No you build ports and container ships and bases around the world create your own economic trade system steal western technology and duplicate it. in the meantime steal land and resources from neighboring countries and like the proverbial frog in the the boiling water
You know the rest...
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Although the ChiComs DO have a larger Navy in RAW Numbers they have NO amphibious capability worth mentioning. They also count used and badly outdated craft which are hardly any tangible threat to the modernized U.S. Fleet.

A few hundred speed boats with guys holding RPG's is added to these numbers. Again yes they do have numbers but it really just makes for a nice target rich environment when it's weapons FREE-- time

Not to say they don't have some nice new specialty craft that deserve attention-- Rest assured those craft are on a constant watch list.
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They do have a dozen or so very nice destroyers and an extensive submarine fleet. Their missiles are good too.

They still can't go toe to toe with the US in blue water. But within a thousand miles of China they are absolutely capable of defeating a US fleet. In that locale their navy can exploit the cover of land based missiles, strike planes, reconnaissance planes, and sea based sensors.

They are good enough in that geographical locale that disposition, sheer luck, and happenstance will probably be determining factors.

The US simply can't charge in guns blazing. That's actually what China would prefer. They want a quick war.

The US admirals would likely prefer a slowly tightening noose, starting with a long range blockade and denial of blue waters to China.
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China will invade Japan next.
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It would be more Taiwan than Japan...

I'd expect the next move would be for the US to install offensive weapons in Japan and deem them for defensive purposes...

Remember, Abe just stepped out of office. The next leader will be more aggressive towards China...
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Yeah, and they are called junk.

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More importantly they have a HUGE population to conscript soldiers from and over 5 times the industrial capacity of the USA.

We would lose a war with China, badly. We could nuke them but then the world would turn on us after the Chinese nuked us.
We can't win.

Thats what most of you are missing. The US HAS NOT won a war since WW and in my opinion we lost that one BIGLY because we fought for our enemy.
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
China's population: 1,427,647,786 (2018)
USA's population: 329,877,505 (2020 estimate)
Let that sink in... and they have modern tech, game over.
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So they just gonna march across the Pacific to the Cali shores...

They don't have enough landing craft...

They can try an airborne assault, but we'd shoot them out of the skies...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


No you build ports and container ships and bases around the world create your own economic trade system steal western technology and duplicate it. in the meantime steal land and resources from neighboring countries and like the proverbial frog in the the boiling water
You know the rest...
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Gunpowder and rockets/missiles were invented by the Chinese. So was most modern metallurgy and a large percentage of the high tech engineering. You are fucked in the egad if you think we have the chines beat technologically or intelligence wise. Not even a close contest. They have 15 IQ points on an american, on average.
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Yeah, and they are called junk.

1rof1
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weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
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Yeah, and they are called junk.

1rof1
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weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
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Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
Don't the Chinese have one single aircraft carrier they bought from Russia?

Diesel powered, LOL
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Fully indigenous built in sea trials, with supercarriers in the pipeline outfitted with stolen stealth jets

Dont underestimate your enemy.
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Good for them.
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The US navy has squandered several advantages over the last few decades.

The unrefueled strike range of our carrier based planes has shrunk by half. F14s could fly out 900 miles. F18s less than 500. F35s less than 600. The A6 intruder could strike a thousand miles from the carrier.

The aborted attempt at a next generation destroyer program was a huge boondoggle and has resulted in new procurements of older, though still very good, Arleigh burke destroyers.

The US navy refuses to employ diesel submarines, which cost half as much as our nuclear attack subs and are now so quieter as to be virtually invisible. The reasoning being that our global navy can't effectively use subs with such limited range and endurance. However, a squadron of such subs stationed in the western pacific would be worthwhile.
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Yeah, and they are called junk.

1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63155543


weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
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North Korea has 100 diesel submarines that can reek havoc when the time comes.
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
lol these comments are funny, Americans but hurt because they no longer have the largest navy lol
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
China's population: 1,427,647,786 (2018)
USA's population: 329,877,505 (2020 estimate)
Let that sink in... and they have modern tech, game over.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79324498


So they just gonna march across the Pacific to the Cali shores...

They don't have enough landing craft...

They can try an airborne assault, but we'd shoot them out of the skies...
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Pop superiority is kinda alpha. They are behind tech-wise but who knows what kind of strategies they can come up with? Swarming with cheap units might work since they have the pop to afford it. Like how many treats a battleship can repel and send 10 times more. One way to compete with that would be to get drones with AI, like one billion of them.

My take on it is that China is building it's fleet to play a bigger role in the world's affair. They won't have to go to war with the US, they just have to develop and they will eclipse America in no time. China has a dictator and long term plans vs the circus going on in the US. They're like the rest of the world, they know the USA are boiling and might crumble. They want to be the next big thing. Not that I like it one bit but if you're selling out to China, the US Navy can't do shit about it.
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Yeah, and they are called junk.

1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63155543


weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76570565


North Korea has 100 diesel submarines that can reek havoc when the time comes.
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Most are not working and need repair...

Little Kimmie's betting on his nuclear deterrence for protection...
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what good is a navy built with Chinese steel?
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True, but they claim their missiles will sink our Carriers...
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It is morethan claim, it is an indisputable fact. Aircraft carriers wouldn't last 45 minutes.
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
Yeah, and they are called junk.

1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63155543


weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76570565


Blah blah blah.

Why are tanks still useful? Don't cheap antitank missiles make tanks obsolete?

Why are airplanes still flying? Don't air defense missiles make planes obsolete?

Ships can be sank pretty easy. If you hit them before they hit you.
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weapons of war are expendable. best to not put a Trillion Dollars into an aircraft carrier.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76570565


North Korea has 100 diesel submarines that can reek havoc when the time comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Most are not working and need repair...

Little Kimmie's betting on his nuclear deterrence for protection...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


all they have to do is get to the target.
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lol these comments are funny, Americans but hurt because they no longer have the largest navy lol
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Actually, you're ignorant comment is the funniest, anti-American.
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lol these comments are funny, Americans but hurt because they no longer have the largest navy lol
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Actually, you're ignorant comment is the funniest, anti-American.
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what's anti-American about saying the sad truth?
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Surface naval vessels are obsolete because they can be taken out easily.
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North Korea has 100 diesel submarines that can reek havoc when the time comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76809044


Most are not working and need repair...

Little Kimmie's betting on his nuclear deterrence for protection...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


all they have to do is get to the target.
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I totally agree. Place a nuke in a sub and detonate it in a port. No more port to repair ships and to conduct commerce...
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No to worried no Mercedes come from China. Have the shit they make had inferior material and is usually junk that doesn’t work very long.
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Re: Pentagon Warns China has the Worlds Largest Navy!!!
Japan also had America out numbered as far as ships, how did that turn out.





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