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User ID: 79271041 United States 09/06/2020 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] dont you belong on the CNN forums? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72536926 United States 09/06/2020 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] www.thehill.com |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77807121 Canada 09/06/2020 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll "The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules." So now Trump is tweeting Qtards as backup, hoping we will believe him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75071364 United States 09/06/2020 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. |
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User ID: 33106931 United States 09/06/2020 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. We have never seen so many low IQ, and I mean truly stupid people like yourself, who are bashing Trump 24/7. The constant assault on this president is completely unwarranted, and it shows absolute disrespect for both the office of presidency and this president. The clear effort to destroy Trump and everyone associated with him which is undermining this country. This is not even an attack on Trump and his family, but an attack on the AMERICAN PEOPLE who voted and support POTUS! Trump is the most investigated man in the history of the US. He has committees investigating him He has 100 newspapers investigating him. He has a special counsel investigating him. He has the AG of NY investigating him. And they have nothing. You have nothing! Your libtard friends have nothing! The mentally Ill have nothing! This is not freedom of the press, it is whining and crying by the hysterical far left media, being used as a marketing tool for the DNC narrative. This is just Bolshevik propaganda!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78505854 United States 09/06/2020 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. We have never seen so many low IQ, and I mean truly stupid people like yourself, who are bashing Trump 24/7. The constant assault on this president is completely unwarranted, and it shows absolute disrespect for both the office of presidency and this president. The clear effort to destroy Trump and everyone associated with him which is undermining this country. This is not even an attack on Trump and his family, but an attack on the AMERICAN PEOPLE who voted and support POTUS! Trump is the most investigated man in the history of the US. He has committees investigating him He has 100 newspapers investigating him. He has a special counsel investigating him. He has the AG of NY investigating him. And they have nothing. You have nothing! Your libtard friends have nothing! The mentally Ill have nothing! This is not freedom of the press, it is whining and crying by the hysterical far left media, being used as a marketing tool for the DNC narrative. This is just Bolshevik propaganda!!! You have copied and pasted the same off-topic shit in this thread: Thread: Trump Goes Golfing in Virginia After Promising He Would Stay Home This Weekend to ‘Enforce’ Order in D.C. (Page 2) |
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User ID: 33106931 United States 09/06/2020 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. We have never seen so many low IQ, and I mean truly stupid people like yourself, who are bashing Trump 24/7. The constant assault on this president is completely unwarranted, and it shows absolute disrespect for both the office of presidency and this president. The clear effort to destroy Trump and everyone associated with him which is undermining this country. This is not even an attack on Trump and his family, but an attack on the AMERICAN PEOPLE who voted and support POTUS! Trump is the most investigated man in the history of the US. He has committees investigating him He has 100 newspapers investigating him. He has a special counsel investigating him. He has the AG of NY investigating him. And they have nothing. You have nothing! Your libtard friends have nothing! The mentally Ill have nothing! This is not freedom of the press, it is whining and crying by the hysterical far left media, being used as a marketing tool for the DNC narrative. This is just Bolshevik propaganda!!! You have copied and pasted the same off-topic shit in this thread: Thread: Trump Goes Golfing in Virginia After Promising He Would Stay Home This Weekend to ‘Enforce’ Order in D.C. (Page 2) Libtards whining and crying really has a way of cheering me up. |
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User ID: 78541906 United States 09/06/2020 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. (1) H1N1 is a respiratory virus very similar to H1N1. They are a different class of virus but the symptoms are identical. Where the differences appear is what proves that H1N1 is more lethal. (2) All that information is here: [link to www.wikiwand.com (secure)] It isn't only how they counted deaths, but how they went about testing, diagnosis etc... There are many practices that are different now during this 'pandemic' compared to only 11 years ago that were intentionally designed to inflate the numbers. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75774096 Canada 09/06/2020 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll No need to downplay it, its clear to see it bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75900753 Fuck off OP. Liberals are racist. That's a really well-written and convincing rebuttal of OP's post. Libtards are all about "use your words" Unfortunately, any thinking American has already deciphered that for libtards - "words are turds". Libtards try to make shit up and then throw it at the public like monkeys throw feces thinking that the public will agree just to keep from getting covered in shit. Poor stupid libtards do not understand just how angry the public has become because of these assaults. "Use your words" will be the mocking chant when these fuckers hang. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77793790 Canada 09/06/2020 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. (1) H1N1 is a respiratory virus very similar to H1N1. They are a different class of virus but the symptoms are identical. Where the differences appear is what proves that H1N1 is more lethal. (2) All that information is here: [link to www.wikiwand.com (secure)] It isn't only how they counted deaths, but how they went about testing, diagnosis etc... There are many practices that are different now during this 'pandemic' compared to only 11 years ago that were intentionally designed to inflate the numbers. H1N1 is an influenza virus, which is a negative-sense single stranded RNA virus. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is a coronavirus, which is a positive sense RNA virus. Among viruses, they are not similar both in structure and in the diseases they cause. Also, your link: [link to www.wikiwand.com (secure)] Does *not* say "only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" Just as with COVID-19, for H1N1 deaths, CDC counted those as "influenza related deaths", such as respiratory and circulatory conditions that were caused by the initial influenza disease. [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73239382 United States 09/06/2020 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] STILL VOTING FOR TRUMP And there is not one thing you can do or say to stop me. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75774096 Canada 09/06/2020 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] STILL VOTING FOR TRUMP And there is not one thing you can do or say to stop me. I kind of like this post. :) Yes, definitely like this post. |
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User ID: 78541906 United States 09/06/2020 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such, proving that H1N1 was more dangerous than SARS-CoV-2. Quoting: F*** Trump Thread: Remembering H1N1 of 2009 1. COVID-19 is not "just the flu". 2. Where did you get that "Only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" and did not include other factors such as respiratory failure? It's not in your link. (1) H1N1 is a respiratory virus very similar to H1N1. They are a different class of virus but the symptoms are identical. Where the differences appear is what proves that H1N1 is more lethal. (2) All that information is here: [link to www.wikiwand.com (secure)] It isn't only how they counted deaths, but how they went about testing, diagnosis etc... There are many practices that are different now during this 'pandemic' compared to only 11 years ago that were intentionally designed to inflate the numbers. H1N1 is an influenza virus, which is a negative-sense single stranded RNA virus. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is a coronavirus, which is a positive sense RNA virus. Among viruses, they are not similar both in structure and in the diseases they cause. Also, your link: [link to www.wikiwand.com (secure)] Does *not* say "only people who actually died from H1N1 in 2009 were recorded as such" Just as with COVID-19, for H1N1 deaths, CDC counted those as "influenza related deaths", such as respiratory and circulatory conditions that were caused by the initial influenza disease. [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] You're right I misspoke it should have read 'similar' symptoms. Your link is exactly part of the distinction I'm talking about. Everything you need to get started is sourced in the sites I've provided. Remember Birx said in the beginning that they were taking a 'liberal' approach to counting mortality? I plan to make a thread so I don't want to compile a bunch of info for an AC on a dying thread. Last Edited by It's all a scam. on 09/06/2020 07:05 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77963296 United States 09/06/2020 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] What it shows is that locking down healthy people during a pandemic (which has never been done before) only prolonged the intensity of the virus. Healthy people who had the virus helped weaken it as seen in New York. The initial projection was for 2.2 million people to die in the US of the virus by September if we did everything the CDC recommended. The lockdown was so that hospitals were not overwhelmed it wasn’t supposed be be until the virus goes away or until a vaccine was approved. The data shows the lockdowns were a mistake and the CDC highlighting that only 6% of mortally were healthy people backs that up. Don’t know what conspiracy they’re talking about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76875093 Australia 09/06/2020 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Donald Trump and top Republicans are now using a debunked conspiracy theory to downplay COVID-19 death toll Top Republicans are seeking to downplay the heavy toll of the coronavirus, in part by pointing to a conspiracy theory that the number of deaths is much lower. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78172016 President Trump, along with Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) and Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), who are both in competitive Senate races, have all pointed in recent days to the widely debunked theory that COVID-19 deaths in the United States total just 10,000 instead of the more than 180,000 recorded by health officials. The speculative remarks come at a time when about 1,000 people a day are dying from the virus, providing a grim backdrop to the final sprint to Election Day. Trump, meanwhile, has been trying to project an optimistic message, frequently pointing to rapid progress toward a vaccine and saying he thinks the virus is “going away.” The discredited theory in question points to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) webpage stating that the coronavirus was listed as the sole cause for only 6 percent of deaths from the virus. However, that does not mean the other 94 percent of people did not die from the coronavirus. Instead, it means that another factor directly caused by the coronavirus, such as respiratory failure, was also listed or that there was an underlying condition, such as obesity or diabetes, that is not necessarily fatal on its own but heightens the risks from the coronavirus. The 6 percent figure has been seized on, however, to minimize the death toll. Last weekend, Trump retweeted a post from user Mel Q, who is a believer in the QAnon conspiracy theory, saying only about 9,000 people had “actually” died from the coronavirus. Twitter later removed the tweet for violating its rules. Ernst likewise said Monday that she is “so skeptical” of case and death counts from the coronavirus, later adding, according to the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, “They’re thinking there may be 10,000 or less deaths that were actually singularly COVID-19. ... I’m just really curious. It would be interesting to know that.” Marshall, who is a doctor, pointed to the theory based on the 6 percent statistic in a Facebook post Sunday. “This week the CDC quietly updated its COVID-19 data to reflect the number of deaths from COVID-19 only,” he wrote, adding that it was “only 6%,” Facebook removed the post, with a spokesperson saying it violated “our policies against spreading harmful misinformation about COVID-19 since it misstates CDC data about the deadliness of the disease.” The prominence of the discredited theory and its embrace among high-level Republicans has dismayed experts. “It’s completely, to me, mind-boggling that people are using this as fodder for some conspiracy theory,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. He said experts have long said that underlying conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are risk factors for having a more severe case of the coronavirus, so “that’s not anything surprising” that such conditions were listed as present in many coronavirus deaths. “I’m not sure why this is even a story other than people are trying to minimize what is a serious infectious disease,” Adalja added. [link to thehill.com (secure)] www.theshill.com Fixed |
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