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Listen.......If We're Going To Talk About The Problems In The Black Community, Then Let's Establish The Facts And Have A Civil Discussion...

 
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I wholeheartedly concur with the OP's assessment. Five stars for truth.
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The "problem" isn't about the black co.munity or even race. It's socio economic/class.

Until we elwvate, have decorum and human dignity, until there is a higher bar for subsistence in this country, until there is basic healthcare...THIS NATION WILL STRUGGLE AND HAVE STRIFE. We're doing it to ourselves.

It's short term thinking.
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You are wrong. I don't see poor White people whom are affected by socio economic circumstances going out into our society playing knock out games, looting and rioting at every little thing that triggers them. I don't see White communities making blanket death threats to police and Blacks in general.

I grew up with zero White privilege, wearing my older brothers hand me downs for ten years. I grew up a poor White kid in a predominantly Black and Mexican neighborhood in south Los Angeles during the 70's. Go ahead and ask me about White privilege, or how those socio economic situations kept me down.

Bullshit. I made it on my own pretty damn well!

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I can find a link but there was a whistleblower for "rap music" back in the 90's that said the label execs wanted to glorify murder, drugs, guns, violence etc. with the agenda to keep private prisons full since their investors had invested and numerous of these private prisons. The more inmates a prison has the more money they get. Im not sure that I 100% explained that accurately, but I always think about the message a lot of rappers put out and have definitely influenced "black culture" in general. Disrespect of women, side chicks, baby mamas, crime, drugs, strippers, money... Drug money, gangs, the list goes on. There is not much (but I have heard some) about being there for your kids and wife... Having a family and raising your kids. I've seen it not even just in "black" culture, but all races that go that direction where it's normal and cool to have side chicks and several kids with several different women etc. Then these children are growing up fatherless, and either repeating the cycle or girls getting pregnant at a young age by a man that won't be there. It's sad, but lack of family values in general. Not all and it's not just a black thing, but I think they have been conned and manipulated to fulfill certain sick agendas. I'm sure there's many more than just that specific one too.
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Oprah and Michael Jordan both invested 10 Mil EACH on a For-profit prison in Illinois, they do it to their own
and they still look up to them, like sheep waiting their turn.. I don`t get it..
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I can find a link but there was a whistleblower for "rap music" back in the 90's that said the label execs wanted to glorify murder, drugs, guns, violence etc. with the agenda to keep private prisons full since their investors had invested and numerous of these private prisons. The more inmates a prison has the more money they get. Im not sure that I 100% explained that accurately, but I always think about the message a lot of rappers put out and have definitely influenced "black culture" in general. Disrespect of women, side chicks, baby mamas, crime, drugs, strippers, money... Drug money, gangs, the list goes on. There is not much (but I have heard some) about being there for your kids and wife... Having a family and raising your kids. I've seen it not even just in "black" culture, but all races that go that direction where it's normal and cool to have side chicks and several kids with several different women etc. Then these children are growing up fatherless, and either repeating the cycle or girls getting pregnant at a young age by a man that won't be there. It's sad, but lack of family values in general. Not all and it's not just a black thing, but I think they have been conned and manipulated to fulfill certain sick agendas. I'm sure there's many more than just that specific one too.
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Oprah and Michael Jordan both invested 10 Mil EACH on a For-profit prison in Illinois, they do it to their own
and they still look up to them, like sheep waiting their turn.. I don`t get it..
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Lol so do voters. Politicians represent the debt and the bank, then money over the illusion that politics is for people.
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I have nothing really to add except to say that's spot on. They perpetuate the myth of white supremacy so as to have a constant excuse for their failings and for their lack of personal responsibility.
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I have nothing really to add except to say that's spot on. They perpetuate the myth of white supremacy so as to have a constant excuse for their failings and for their lack of personal responsibility.
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Multiple generations of drug abuse...certainly introduced by outside elements but it's just the facts...if crack heads have babies and they have babies and they have babies...there isn't much happening as far as coherent thought or civilization anymore.
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We need each other for appropriation. The more data, the more possible outcomes. People are amazing when they are pushed to their creative limits. The problem is THE MEDIA and HISTORY. Blacks were more conservative than whites traditionally, yet THE MEDIA and REWRITTEN HISTORY make blacks into the tunnel vision we see today. Melanated people are fighting against rewritten history making them out to be savages and unskilled on a level non-melanted people can't grasp unless you can go out into the world and camoflouge as melanated to find out for yourself.

People are natural mimics. Some are better at it than others. When you pass on hatred, it will beget hatred. It's true with all people. Maybe it's stronger in the black community because they truly were dealt a shitty hand by THE CONTROLLERS WHO CREATED THIS CURRENT NARRATIVE.

HISTORY HAS BEEN SCRUBBED by the controllers who are not white, per say, they are in a tribe of their own.

An "elite" poster on here recently stated: "The strong control the weak, and the clever control the strong." Who controls what you see on TV? What clever words are IMPOSED on YOU? What clever narratives are pushed in movies, print ads, social media??

HOODWINKED? The one's wearing the hoods and winking at you with one eye are the problem.

Now, the issue at hand, what are we going to do about it?
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OP, you're missing the fact about the number of single parent households.

Only 38% of black households have 2 parents. That's a huge drop from 1960, when it was like 70%.

That's the core problem.
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I'm the OP just using a different computer as I'm traveling. I mentioned a few times in my opening post about the households not having fathers. Anyway, thanks for the comment.
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The "problem" isn't about the black co.munity or even race. It's socio economic/class.

Until we elwvate, have decorum and human dignity, until there is a higher bar for subsistence in this country, until there is basic healthcare...THIS NATION WILL STRUGGLE AND HAVE STRIFE. We're doing it to ourselves.

It's short term thinking.
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This the type of thinking that has been part of the entire problem. We have already proven time and time again, that this is by no means a "money" issue. It's more than likely an IQ issue. Do all blacks have low IQ's? No. Do all whites have high IQ's? No. However, the ones that have the lowest IQ's, historically have suffered the most. At the same time, giving Blacks free crap isn't solving the issue. I think blacks are just intelligent enough to grasp the fact that despite having many different social programs including affirmative action, that they are still falling behind in society. So what is their next step, since that isn't working? They now feel that they have no choice but to take it away from white people, via force. Study history and you will recognize a fact pattern among Africans and Arabs surrounding their record attacking other cultures. For some strange reason colleges seem to leave that out in their lessons while they blame everything on whites.
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I can find a link but there was a whistleblower for "rap music" back in the 90's that said the label execs wanted to glorify murder, drugs, guns, violence etc. with the agenda to keep private prisons full since their investors had invested and numerous of these private prisons. The more inmates a prison has the more money they get. Im not sure that I 100% explained that accurately, but I always think about the message a lot of rappers put out and have definitely influenced "black culture" in general. Disrespect of women, side chicks, baby mamas, crime, drugs, strippers, money... Drug money, gangs, the list goes on. There is not much (but I have heard some) about being there for your kids and wife... Having a family and raising your kids. I've seen it not even just in "black" culture, but all races that go that direction where it's normal and cool to have side chicks and several kids with several different women etc. Then these children are growing up fatherless, and either repeating the cycle or girls getting pregnant at a young age by a man that won't be there. It's sad, but lack of family values in general. Not all and it's not just a black thing, but I think they have been conned and manipulated to fulfill certain sick agendas. I'm sure there's many more than just that specific one too.
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Right here on GLP Laural Canyon was in the title, and now it is gone.

Infact there were several outlining the CIA/Military influence on rock and roll and they are all gone.

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The truth is we’re just too different. Modern / advanced technological civilization isn’t in their nature. That doesn’t make them inferior or superior to any other group just means they evolved for a much different type of lifestyle more in tune with nature. Placing them in Western nation’s would be like placing average Caucasian people into a vulcan civilization. They would constantly feel inferior just by the nature of what the Vulcans are capable of as proven by their advanced technology and infrastructure surrounding them ie. The roads they walk and drive on, the buildings, high tech vehicles, and so on. The Caucasian man wouldn’t be able to compete with the Vulcans in many ways except for maybe some creative endeavors, would feel paranoid that they’re out to screw him over/he just can’t get a lucky break, might resort to crime and feel justified about it. There might be a small percentage of caucasians who are similar enough to Vulcans in terms of intelligence and personality metrics but they would be uncommon. Sometimes reality just stinks but pretending fairies exist won’t fix anything. In fact, it’ll just cause the problems to become worse as they grow while we’re not looking.
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Blacks are the problems in the black community. They admit it.
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No they don't......how much reporting do you see about the weekly black on black massacres in democrat run cities?....it doesn't fit the narrative......they push white nationalists are the top problem facing the black community......how many white on black shootings been going on every week?.......surely they would top the charts being reported by the liberal media, yet its not.....

I don't think there will be any meaningful change until the elephant in the room is addressed....
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1. I don’t call myself the N word for precisely the reasons stated nor does anyone I know.
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That's good to hear. In that case, you would be considered a "normal" every day, decent person, although an outlier for your race.

2. I have a Science degree. I know who Tesla is and I don’t look up to anyone who hasn’t achieved anything worthwhile. That being said, I know of former criminals who I admire purely because they DID change their lives for the better.
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Again, that's great to hear and you would be an outlier. However, the mere fact that you're even having to point out that you have a degree and that know who Tesla is, underscores the original, much broader issue with the black community. Your accomplishment wouldn't stand out to the same degree if you were white.

3. History is written by the victors. I believe that what we know can be skewed, just look at the current situation with Covid some people even question its existence! There is no consensus as to whether it is manmade or not in the science community. In 10 years we don’t know what will be told of 2020 let alone 100 years. I tend to be pragmatic and stick to published data regarding anthropology and biology science and history. If someone with my background is here on GLP questioning the narrative since I was in University imagine what others are doing?
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Not sure what your point is here, other than yes, history can (and has) been greatly skewed with today's history lessons being heavily weighted against white people. Sadly, it's been that way since the 60's and has gotten worse over time. As I mentioned, the relativity recent phenomenon among black culture is to completely invert actual fact based historical events and anthropology. As a black person, you should be denouncing such acts of stupidity.

4. I tip with good service. It’s not a requirement here in UK as much as US, however I find it quite a nice thing to do in a restaurant when you have a lovely atmosphere and good service. I don’t think tipping should be mandatory as I think it actually encourages good service, but that’s just my personal opinion. If I ever visit US I would tip all the time because it’s your culture regardless and it is polite to respect others culture in there own land.
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You would absolutely hate being a food delivery driver in the deep south. Blacks rarely tip anyone, regardless of race.


5. Everyone I know is proud of my achievements. As the oldest I went to University first, my sister followed. A lot of my black friends attended University whereas some of my white friends haven’t and I respect my friends black or white regardless of their higher education status. On my WhatsApp I get texts from people supporting black businesses so I disagree that blacks keep each other down
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Much of this probably has a lot to with the fact that you're not living in the Unites States, much less in the Southern states. Your personal experience and success might also have something to do with your genetics to some degree. Occasionally it's luck, but regardless of race, genetics clearly play a role in a person's outcome in many cases. There's actually several studies out there that analyze the genetic differences (in aggregate) between US blacks and blacks who have been brought up in a traditional European and/or British country and/or environment.

6. I know the statistics in US are not good. I don’t defend criminality. Also the Viking gene in some whites is quite similar just an observation but there seems to be the same mentality within a population of whites who commit similar crimes. If I really were to look it would be the same in other races too. I call it the Viking gene because of the mythology surrounding berserkers and the raping and pillaging. Seems to be a male characteristic found in all races and dampened down by ‘society’. Regardless I believe that the current climate is awakening the same anarchist behaviour in whites Anitifa is an example.
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Firstly, are there violent whites? Of course. However, the point here is that in aggregate, blacks are overwhelmingly more violent. Also, the "viking gene" as you call it, ultimately led to a modern society that enables blacks to have the ability to drive a car, own a house and like you, go to college. Blacks were never known for their ability or desire for conquests and adventure. Secondly, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges. Attempting to compare and contrast the raping and pillaging committed by whites in America, vs. the raping and pillaging committed by blacks in America is once again a fool's errand. Blacks culture revels in its violence. White culture generally condemns and shuns violence when it occurs. The last two decades of endless videos on the internet easily reveal the violence within the black community to anyone who denies it, although this fact was obviously known long before the internet was around.


8. Vikings wore braids, Egyptians wore wigs (I believe) Cultural appropriation is something I am not even going there with since over time vultures have appropriated so much from each other. Britain has appropriated from every invasion to the land such as Roman and Norman, linguists, fashion,technology, it’s the British way. I have absolutely no problem with anything from black culture being appropriated. I get my hair braided in a salon before lockdown and a lot of the customers are white girls who like the 2 braid look I think black people should take it as a compliment and actually make money!
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So once again you're exhibiting what would be considered normal, decent behavior. If more blacks did this, we'd be having a different conversation entirely.

9. I’m starting to believe that there really is no such thing as ‘racism’. I personally call it tribalism and all humans display this behaviour. Some are more tribal than others. That’s the only way I can describe what I’m witnessing from 2020. I’ve got more to say about it but I could end up talking forever!
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Regardless of the label you wish to attach to general, rotten behavior, the statistics are clear: Blacks in America exhibit this destructive behavior many, many, many times over whites. The facts are in the open for anyone to view. Attempting to make this somehow "ambiguous" or insinuating that whites in any way, account for the same rotten behavior exhibited by blacks, is just childishly viewing the world from rose colored glasses as means to avoid accountability. Blacks are genetically many times more tribal than whites. That's just a fact. So the question is, what can society do about this?

10. Never taught to be ‘racist’. Nor has any of my friends. People are also white in my family I’ve dated white and blacks and mixed race men and truthfully all of what you are saying comes down to character of a person. And EVERYONE has flaws.

Hope this thread gives you the answers and the discourse you want because I don’t think or at least I hope I’m not the only black person who will take the time to post a reply.

hf
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Thank you for your comments. As I said in my opening post, the fact pattern doesn't represent every black person, although it does represent the majority. Thank you for replying.
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1. I don’t call myself the N word for precisely the reasons stated nor does anyone I know.
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That's good to hear. In that case, you would be considered a "normal" every day, decent person, although an outlier for your race.

2. I have a Science degree. I know who Tesla is and I don’t look up to anyone who hasn’t achieved anything worthwhile. That being said, I know of former criminals who I admire purely because they DID change their lives for the better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Again, that's great to hear and you would be an outlier. However, the mere fact that you're even having to point out that you have a degree and that know who Tesla is, underscores the original, much broader issue with the black community. Your accomplishment wouldn't stand out to the same degree if you were white.

3. History is written by the victors. I believe that what we know can be skewed, just look at the current situation with Covid some people even question its existence! There is no consensus as to whether it is manmade or not in the science community. In 10 years we don’t know what will be told of 2020 let alone 100 years. I tend to be pragmatic and stick to published data regarding anthropology and biology science and history. If someone with my background is here on GLP questioning the narrative since I was in University imagine what others are doing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Not sure what your point is here, other than yes, history can (and has) been greatly skewed with today's history lessons being heavily weighted against white people. Sadly, it's been that way since the 60's and has gotten worse over time. As I mentioned, the relativity recent phenomenon among black culture is to completely invert actual fact based historical events and anthropology. As a black person, you should be denouncing such acts of stupidity.

4. I tip with good service. It’s not a requirement here in UK as much as US, however I find it quite a nice thing to do in a restaurant when you have a lovely atmosphere and good service. I don’t think tipping should be mandatory as I think it actually encourages good service, but that’s just my personal opinion. If I ever visit US I would tip all the time because it’s your culture regardless and it is polite to respect others culture in there own land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


You would absolutely hate being a food delivery driver in the deep south. Blacks rarely tip anyone, regardless of race.


5. Everyone I know is proud of my achievements. As the oldest I went to University first, my sister followed. A lot of my black friends attended University whereas some of my white friends haven’t and I respect my friends black or white regardless of their higher education status. On my WhatsApp I get texts from people supporting black businesses so I disagree that blacks keep each other down
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Much of this probably has a lot to with the fact that you're not living in the Unites States, much less in the Southern states. Your personal experience and success might also have something to do with your genetics to some degree. Occasionally it's luck, but regardless of race, genetics clearly play a role in a person's outcome in many cases. There's actually several studies out there that analyze the genetic differences (in aggregate) between US blacks and blacks who have been brought up in a traditional European and/or British country and/or environment.

6. I know the statistics in US are not good. I don’t defend criminality. Also the Viking gene in some whites is quite similar just an observation but there seems to be the same mentality within a population of whites who commit similar crimes. If I really were to look it would be the same in other races too. I call it the Viking gene because of the mythology surrounding berserkers and the raping and pillaging. Seems to be a male characteristic found in all races and dampened down by ‘society’. Regardless I believe that the current climate is awakening the same anarchist behaviour in whites Anitifa is an example.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Firstly, are there violent whites? Of course. However, the point here is that in aggregate, blacks are overwhelmingly more violent. Also, the "viking gene" as you call it, ultimately led to a modern society that enables blacks to have the ability to drive a car, own a house and like you, go to college. Blacks were never known for their ability or desire for conquests and adventure. Secondly, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges. Attempting to compare and contrast the raping and pillaging committed by whites in America, vs. the raping and pillaging committed by blacks in America is once again a fool's errand. Blacks culture revels in its violence. White culture generally condemns and shuns violence when it occurs. The last two decades of endless videos on the internet easily reveal the violence within the black community to anyone who denies it, although this fact was obviously known long before the internet was around.


8. Vikings wore braids, Egyptians wore wigs (I believe) Cultural appropriation is something I am not even going there with since over time vultures have appropriated so much from each other. Britain has appropriated from every invasion to the land such as Roman and Norman, linguists, fashion,technology, it’s the British way. I have absolutely no problem with anything from black culture being appropriated. I get my hair braided in a salon before lockdown and a lot of the customers are white girls who like the 2 braid look I think black people should take it as a compliment and actually make money!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


So once again you're exhibiting what would be considered normal, decent behavior. If more blacks did this, we'd be having a different conversation entirely.

9. I’m starting to believe that there really is no such thing as ‘racism’. I personally call it tribalism and all humans display this behaviour. Some are more tribal than others. That’s the only way I can describe what I’m witnessing from 2020. I’ve got more to say about it but I could end up talking forever!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Regardless of the label you wish to attach to general, rotten behavior, the statistics are clear: Blacks in America exhibit this destructive behavior many, many, many times over whites. The facts are in the open for anyone to view. Attempting to make this somehow "ambiguous" or insinuating that whites in any way, account for the same rotten behavior exhibited by blacks, is just childishly viewing the world from rose colored glasses as means to avoid accountability. Blacks are genetically many times more tribal than whites. That's just a fact. So the question is, what can society do about this?

10. Never taught to be ‘racist’. Nor has any of my friends. People are also white in my family I’ve dated white and blacks and mixed race men and truthfully all of what you are saying comes down to character of a person. And EVERYONE has flaws.

Hope this thread gives you the answers and the discourse you want because I don’t think or at least I hope I’m not the only black person who will take the time to post a reply.

hf
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Thank you for your comments. As I said in my opening post, the fact pattern doesn't represent every black person, although it does represent the majority. Thank you for replying.
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Who PROFITS off of all that?
Who OWNS the Hollywood propoganda machine?
Who CONTROLS the music industry?
Who created the Projects?
Who profits off private for profit prisons?
Who introduced crack to the black community?
Who reneged on 40 acres and a mule- leaving newly homeless freed slaves with no education no way to read or write and no way to support themselves.
What alphabet agency owns the NAACP?

Who REALLY created this situation you mention?
What Religion and it wasn't the Christians who brought them over here on slave ships was it?
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So based on your brilliant logic, because blacks are easily controlled, we should just ignore the immeasurable harm that so many of them unleash onto society? You act as if blacks rob liquor stores because the CIA told them to. Hispanics often have it MUCH worse than blacks financially, but still commit far less violent crime, despite being a larger population. Why do so many illegals cross the border with nothing but then actually make something of themselves, when so many blacks who have been in this country for generations manage to do absolutely nothing?
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No, that person accurately touched on the true problem: the jeews at the top who are pulling the strings. Nothing gets resolved if you don't address the actual cause at the top of the pyramid.

If some jeews threw a hornet nest into your house, would you focus your anger on the hornets, or on the jeews?

Focus on the masterminds at the top, not the pawns.
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I see a lot of people talking about blacks on this forum. Instead of resorting to the typical hate filled rants about black people, I think it's much more productive to establish the verifiable facts surrounding blacks and their culture, and then go from there. If America is to solve racial issues, we need to start with being honest with one another. We cannot continue to ignore the issues at hand if we truly want to solve them.

The following points below are what I believe are the top dilemmas with blacks and black culture. It goes without saying that these points don't represent all blacks. However, the following points do, in my opinion, represent the majority of blacks. Whether that majority is 51% or 91% is debatable, however, the fact patterns remain very consistent.

1.) They call themselves a name (the "N" word) which they hate being called by whites. It’s counterintuitive. It's illogical. It's disrespectful to themselves and their own ethnicity, yet they continue to do it.

2.) They look up to thugs, murderers, abusers, druggies, and overrated, high paid talentless hacks like Jay-Z. How many blacks look up to Tesla? How many blacks even know who the he was?

3.) They constantly invert truth and blatantly lie about statistics, world history and anthropology. It's not even subtle. You see this all the time on social media and even here on GLP. Blacks who refer to themselves as being "woke" are the normal suspects who resort to this nonsense. Aside from it being just downright embarrassing for their culture, this near mentally challenged way of perceiving reality only emboldens other blacks to participate in the same behavior. It's not a good look and they're just pushing whites (and other races) further away from them. I've literally seen comments from blacks who claim that a black man invented the submarine, or that the first humans on earth were Africans. We need to stop encouraging this madness.

4.) 80% of the Black community is high 80% of the time. A few years ago I delivered food in Atlanta to make ends meet. One day out of boredom I decided to do an experiment. For the entire day I counted how many tips I received from Blacks vs. Whites. I delivered to 7 different black people and 5 different white people. Only 1 black person gave me a $2 tip and 4 whites gave me a total of $24. Out of the 7 blacks, literally 5 of them opened their door that released an overwhelming waft of weed.

5.) Blacks keep each other down and they impose shame anytime another black person experiences any type of conventional success in life. How do they do this? Many ways, ranging from bullying and physical abuse to calling each other "coons." Blacks are literally the only race known to shame success. If a black person went into business and has predominantly black customers, that's usually the one exception where they wouldn't be called a coon. This issue coincides with blacks lacking the desire to improve their own communities. Any time they are confronted with this observation, they once again claim that white people are somehow responsible for their actions, or lack thereof.

6.) Blacks are roughly 14% of today's population in the U.S. and without fail, they commit nearly 50% of all violent crime, every single year. Any time they are confronted with this fact, Blacks will often attempt to claim that the FBI statistics are bogus, and/or that blacks account for a much larger % of the population than 14%, which of course are both blatant fallacies. Similarly to Arabs, the Blacks seem to be genetically and innately violent when compared to other races, but particularly when compared to Caucasians. This can be documented rather clearly when looking at the crime statistics.

7.) Blacks lack the ability to delay gratification and the ability to foresee consequences. There seems to be an instant, knee jerk component with their daily behavior. Whether it be drugs, crime, women, not saving money, there is something going on there that cannot be ignored. If one was so inclined to learn why, just google "the marshmallow experiment". You may need to skip to the third or fourth page page of the results though, since Google doesn't really want you to know what that's all about. This also ties in with what could actually be an entirely new point, which is the fact that blacks are undeniably obsessed with image and materialism. This problem fuels their instant gratification need, which then circles back to crime.

8.) Blacks scream "cultural appropriation" on nearly every facet of a white person's existence. This needs to end, as it's absurd beyond comprehension and is clearly just being used as a channel to hate white people. In fact, if white people actually cared one iota about their own cultural appropriation, blacks would be guilty as charged 100 times over. When Beyonce sews real blonde hair into her scalp, do you see white people screaming cultural appropriation? When a black person walks into a Mexican restaurant do you see Mexicans calling out cultural appropriation? If a black person has an Asian/eastern philosophical tattoo, do you see Asians getting upset? The hypocrisy is staggering.

9.) Blacks (with the help of far left whites) have given themselves "a right to be racist against white people" card, and that card never expires. It allows them to literally get away with murder. It allows them to never be held accountable for the very crimes they are falsely accusing other races of.

10.) Blacks are taught to be racist towards white people before they are able to walk. This is sacred in many black "households", and not teaching this to young black kids is often considered to be a form of betrayal to the black race. I used quotes around the word household since it's typically just the mother who's around. In any event, black mothers are notorious for instilling this kind of "hate whitey" mentality, and it can be exceptionally toxic when it's taught to young black girls, as they typically just carry on the tradition when they become single parent mothers themselves.

There are no doubt many other issues that I could point out. However, I'd argue that the top points above are probably the most destructive attributes of the black race and their culture. I'm open to discuss this further with anyone, regardless of their race.
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Who PROFITS off of all that?
Who OWNS the Hollywood propoganda machine?
Who CONTROLS the music industry?
Who created the Projects?
Who profits off private for profit prisons?
Who introduced crack to the black community?
Who reneged on 40 acres and a mule- leaving newly homeless freed slaves with no education no way to read or write and no way to support themselves.
What alphabet agency owns the NAACP?

Who REALLY created this situation you mention?
What Religion and it wasn't the Christians who brought them over here on slave ships was it?
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It's fair to be angry at the group who you're talking about, but at the end of the day, blacks are supposed to have free will, right? Regardless of who's coordinating it, you can't just allow blacks to have ZERO accountability. Who's forcing black people's hands to bust open a BestBuy and steal shit? Who physically forced that black person to ambush those cops in cold blood te other day? No one. Blacks can decide not to do that shit if they really wanted to. Stop scapegoating everything away from blacks...
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Stop focusing on treating the symptoms of Jeewish Supremacy, and stop scapegoating away from the real problem.

The problem flows from the top down, not from the bottom up.
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No, that person accurately touched on the true problem: the jeews at the top who are pulling the strings. Nothing gets resolved if you don't address the actual cause at the top of the pyramid.

If some jeews threw a hornet nest into your house, would you focus your anger on the hornets, or on the jeews?

Focus on the masterminds at the top, not the pawns.
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Stop focusing on treating the symptoms of Jeewish Supremacy, and stop scapegoating away from the real problem.

The problem flows from the top down, not from the bottom up.
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Pay attention, both of you. No one is denying that blacks are being controlled. You're missing the point entirely and at the same time condemning the behavior of blacks. If your house is being attacked by hornets, you better fucking deal with the hornets inside your house before they sting you to death, you fucking retard. Do J's force the hands of blacks to murder on a daily basis? No, they do not. Blacks are here to stay in the United States, and they have a natural aversion towards whites because it's very literally in their DNA. The majority don't fit it into modern society. We need to deal with BOTH issues, bottom to top and top to bottom. Dealing with the powerful influences that control blacks will take years, and if you wait to confront the imminent issues literally laying in front you, there won't be a fucking America to save, you utter retards. Comments like yours are highly suspect, as it shifts ALL blame away from the accomplices and foot soldiers that are doing the daily dirty work, while you attempt to shift ALL the focus to mysterious forces in the ether. It's cointel, right out of the standard plabook at it's finest. Except it won't work anymore.
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Lol at anyone foolish enough to think that worthless wall of text would mean anything to a circke, blm or a woke white liberal. You are so old fashioned and naive it hurts
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Lol at anyone foolish enough to think that worthless wall of text would mean anything to a circke, blm or a woke white liberal. You are so old fashioned and naive it hurts
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Last time I checked, it clearly appears that the OP posted for people that we're not "woke" nor in BLM. They wrote it to open up a discussion among those who are likely very much aware of the issues but just aren't openly talking about it. Also, last time I checked, idiots who respond with the childish and trite phrase "wall of text" are inept, lazy fuckwads who aren't able to comprehend anything longer than a simple sentence.
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Quite simply, we just don't being together.
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1. I don’t call myself the N word for precisely the reasons stated nor does anyone I know.
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That's good to hear. In that case, you would be considered a "normal" every day, decent person, although an outlier for your race.

2. I have a Science degree. I know who Tesla is and I don’t look up to anyone who hasn’t achieved anything worthwhile. That being said, I know of former criminals who I admire purely because they DID change their lives for the better.
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Again, that's great to hear and you would be an outlier. However, the mere fact that you're even having to point out that you have a degree and that know who Tesla is, underscores the original, much broader issue with the black community. Your accomplishment wouldn't stand out to the same degree if you were white.

3. History is written by the victors. I believe that what we know can be skewed, just look at the current situation with Covid some people even question its existence! There is no consensus as to whether it is manmade or not in the science community. In 10 years we don’t know what will be told of 2020 let alone 100 years. I tend to be pragmatic and stick to published data regarding anthropology and biology science and history. If someone with my background is here on GLP questioning the narrative since I was in University imagine what others are doing?
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Not sure what your point is here, other than yes, history can (and has) been greatly skewed with today's history lessons being heavily weighted against white people. Sadly, it's been that way since the 60's and has gotten worse over time. As I mentioned, the relativity recent phenomenon among black culture is to completely invert actual fact based historical events and anthropology. As a black person, you should be denouncing such acts of stupidity.

4. I tip with good service. It’s not a requirement here in UK as much as US, however I find it quite a nice thing to do in a restaurant when you have a lovely atmosphere and good service. I don’t think tipping should be mandatory as I think it actually encourages good service, but that’s just my personal opinion. If I ever visit US I would tip all the time because it’s your culture regardless and it is polite to respect others culture in there own land.
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You would absolutely hate being a food delivery driver in the deep south. Blacks rarely tip anyone, regardless of race.


5. Everyone I know is proud of my achievements. As the oldest I went to University first, my sister followed. A lot of my black friends attended University whereas some of my white friends haven’t and I respect my friends black or white regardless of their higher education status. On my WhatsApp I get texts from people supporting black businesses so I disagree that blacks keep each other down
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Much of this probably has a lot to with the fact that you're not living in the Unites States, much less in the Southern states. Your personal experience and success might also have something to do with your genetics to some degree. Occasionally it's luck, but regardless of race, genetics clearly play a role in a person's outcome in many cases. There's actually several studies out there that analyze the genetic differences (in aggregate) between US blacks and blacks who have been brought up in a traditional European and/or British country and/or environment.

6. I know the statistics in US are not good. I don’t defend criminality. Also the Viking gene in some whites is quite similar just an observation but there seems to be the same mentality within a population of whites who commit similar crimes. If I really were to look it would be the same in other races too. I call it the Viking gene because of the mythology surrounding berserkers and the raping and pillaging. Seems to be a male characteristic found in all races and dampened down by ‘society’. Regardless I believe that the current climate is awakening the same anarchist behaviour in whites Anitifa is an example.
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Firstly, are there violent whites? Of course. However, the point here is that in aggregate, blacks are overwhelmingly more violent. Also, the "viking gene" as you call it, ultimately led to a modern society that enables blacks to have the ability to drive a car, own a house and like you, go to college. Blacks were never known for their ability or desire for conquests and adventure. Secondly, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges. Attempting to compare and contrast the raping and pillaging committed by whites in America, vs. the raping and pillaging committed by blacks in America is once again a fool's errand. Blacks culture revels in its violence. White culture generally condemns and shuns violence when it occurs. The last two decades of endless videos on the internet easily reveal the violence within the black community to anyone who denies it, although this fact was obviously known long before the internet was around.


8. Vikings wore braids, Egyptians wore wigs (I believe) Cultural appropriation is something I am not even going there with since over time vultures have appropriated so much from each other. Britain has appropriated from every invasion to the land such as Roman and Norman, linguists, fashion,technology, it’s the British way. I have absolutely no problem with anything from black culture being appropriated. I get my hair braided in a salon before lockdown and a lot of the customers are white girls who like the 2 braid look I think black people should take it as a compliment and actually make money!
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So once again you're exhibiting what would be considered normal, decent behavior. If more blacks did this, we'd be having a different conversation entirely.

9. I’m starting to believe that there really is no such thing as ‘racism’. I personally call it tribalism and all humans display this behaviour. Some are more tribal than others. That’s the only way I can describe what I’m witnessing from 2020. I’ve got more to say about it but I could end up talking forever!
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Regardless of the label you wish to attach to general, rotten behavior, the statistics are clear: Blacks in America exhibit this destructive behavior many, many, many times over whites. The facts are in the open for anyone to view. Attempting to make this somehow "ambiguous" or insinuating that whites in any way, account for the same rotten behavior exhibited by blacks, is just childishly viewing the world from rose colored glasses as means to avoid accountability. Blacks are genetically many times more tribal than whites. That's just a fact. So the question is, what can society do about this?

10. Never taught to be ‘racist’. Nor has any of my friends. People are also white in my family I’ve dated white and blacks and mixed race men and truthfully all of what you are saying comes down to character of a person. And EVERYONE has flaws.

Hope this thread gives you the answers and the discourse you want because I don’t think or at least I hope I’m not the only black person who will take the time to post a reply.

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Thank you for your comments. As I said in my opening post, the fact pattern doesn't represent every black person, although it does represent the majority. Thank you for replying.
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5 star reply!!!!! nothing but truth
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data?

My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.

Thus I won’t be saying anything else. I’ve been on GLP for a long time with 2 user names (even longer if you count that I’ve was lurking since 1999 2000 time) I’ll get crucified for saying all this probably get red karma lol

That’s life and I’d really like some other black people especially from the US to jump in this thread and say how they feel and talk about the REALITY. It gets tiresome reading that all black people are this and that without someone saying ‘well hang on a minute, that’s not my reality at all’ I really would like some black opinions and views even if it’s opposite to mine.

I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.
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So, as a black person, is it interesting that you know that you're truly an outlier, or is interesting that someone else thinks that you're an outlier?

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.
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If you disagree with something that the OP stated in particular, which point do you disagree with?

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.
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The increasingly hostile behavior from blacks worldwide, but in particular in the United States, should not only agitate you, it should outright anger you that so any people from your race are on a mission to destroy white (western) culture. The same culture that afforded you the possibility to even go to college. Perhaps you are living in a bubble, where you mange to escape this behavior, however it's still a reality.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?
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Indeed, your experience is likely very different from the experience as a black person in the United States. In many ways British culture are is more "civilized"or "proper" than in the States and certainly more strict in varying degrees. The freedom that is allowed in America (freedoms that are not found anywhere else) is ironically a component that fuels an environment in which blacks in the US are able walk all over others. Freedoms that are clearly being abused on a daily basis. If America goes to waste and falls, so does the rest of western civilization. Therefore, you and anyone who else stands for freedom should have a vested interested (not just a curiosity) in the future of America.

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data? My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.
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Yes, you've already established that you're an exception to the rule.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.
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As I stated several times in my opening post, not EVERY black person falls into the same obvious fact patterns and ongoing issues that plague black culture and the black community. However, in aggregate, blacks as a race, have very serious problems with cognitive abilities and destructive behavior.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.
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Instead of spending energy making a point to white people that intelligent blacks exist, why not reach out to blacks and the black community with the same message? This is yet another frustration among white people. Blacks don't often reach out to fellow blacks. When a successful black "makes it" they'll leave the ghetto and typically want nothing to do with their race's ongoing social problems. There's a real "me, me, me" sense of being that overtly dominates black culture.


I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you truly want everything to be equal. If you truly believe that skin color doesn't matter, then why would you turn around and suggest that it would be good to be "underestimated" by whites, merely because you're black? A statement like that (although somewhat subtle) suggests that there's either a desire to display a type of "dominance" over another race.
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.
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So, as a black person, is it interesting that you know that you're truly an outlier, or is interesting that someone else thinks that you're an outlier?

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne



If you disagree with something that the OP stated in particular, which point do you disagree with?

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


The increasingly hostile behavior from blacks worldwide, but in particular in the United States, should not only agitate you, it should outright anger you that so any people from your race are on a mission to destroy white (western) culture. The same culture that afforded you the possibility to even go to college. Perhaps you are living in a bubble, where you mange to escape this behavior, however it's still a reality.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


Indeed, your experience is likely very different from the experience as a black person in the United States. In many ways British culture are is more "civilized"or "proper" than in the States and certainly more strict in varying degrees. The freedom that is allowed in America (freedoms that are not found anywhere else) is ironically a component that fuels an environment in which blacks in the US are able walk all over others. Freedoms that are clearly being abused on a daily basis. If America goes to waste and falls, so does the rest of western civilization. Therefore, you and anyone who else stands for freedom should have a vested interested (not just a curiosity) in the future of America.

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data? My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.
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Yes, you've already established that you're an exception to the rule.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.
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As I stated several times in my opening post, not EVERY black person falls into the same obvious fact patterns and ongoing issues that plague black culture and the black community. However, in aggregate, blacks as a race, have very serious problems with cognitive abilities and destructive behavior.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


Instead of spending energy making a point to white people that intelligent blacks exist, why not reach out to blacks and the black community with the same message? This is yet another frustration among white people. Blacks don't often reach out to fellow blacks. When a successful black "makes it" they'll leave the ghetto and typically want nothing to do with their race's ongoing social problems. There's a real "me, me, me" sense of being that overtly dominates black culture.


I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


If you truly want everything to be equal. If you truly believe that skin color doesn't matter, then why would you turn around and suggest that it would be good to be "underestimated" by whites, merely because you're black? A statement like that (although somewhat subtle) suggests that there's either a desire to display a type of "dominance" over another race.
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im not caucasian but i got to admit you have some very good points.
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.
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So, as a black person, is it interesting that you know that you're truly an outlier, or is interesting that someone else thinks that you're an outlier?

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne



If you disagree with something that the OP stated in particular, which point do you disagree with?

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


The increasingly hostile behavior from blacks worldwide, but in particular in the United States, should not only agitate you, it should outright anger you that so any people from your race are on a mission to destroy white (western) culture. The same culture that afforded you the possibility to even go to college. Perhaps you are living in a bubble, where you mange to escape this behavior, however it's still a reality.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?
 Quoting: TheFierceOne


Indeed, your experience is likely very different from the experience as a black person in the United States. In many ways British culture are is more "civilized"or "proper" than in the States and certainly more strict in varying degrees. The freedom that is allowed in America (freedoms that are not found anywhere else) is ironically a component that fuels an environment in which blacks in the US are able walk all over others. Freedoms that are clearly being abused on a daily basis. If America goes to waste and falls, so does the rest of western civilization. Therefore, you and anyone who else stands for freedom should have a vested interested (not just a curiosity) in the future of America.

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data? My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.
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Yes, you've already established that you're an exception to the rule.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.
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As I stated several times in my opening post, not EVERY black person falls into the same obvious fact patterns and ongoing issues that plague black culture and the black community. However, in aggregate, blacks as a race, have very serious problems with cognitive abilities and destructive behavior.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.
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Instead of spending energy making a point to white people that intelligent blacks exist, why not reach out to blacks and the black community with the same message? This is yet another frustration among white people. Blacks don't often reach out to fellow blacks. When a successful black "makes it" they'll leave the ghetto and typically want nothing to do with their race's ongoing social problems. There's a real "me, me, me" sense of being that overtly dominates black culture.


I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you truly want everything to be equal. If you truly believe that skin color doesn't matter, then why would you turn around and suggest that it would be good to be "underestimated" by whites, merely because you're black? A statement like that (although somewhat subtle) suggests that there's either a desire to display a type of "dominance" over another race.
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Thanks for your detailed reply. It’s good because it shows that I really need to clarify my statements as you’re not in my head and most of what I really think can’t be condensed as easily. I try not to produce a wall of text.

1. I find it interesting that someone believes I am an outlier. I don’t think I am but it’s interesting that someone does. When there are 2 conflicting beliefs it becomes an interest to me, I’m always curious as to other belief systems outside my own.

2. I have stated where I disagree with his views. My experience is different from his and by replying to his thread I believe that I’m at least trying to have the discussion he wanted. The OP has the right to his opinions and his take on the facts that he has presented.

3. The statement that it should agitate me, annoyed me. In no way have I mentioned that I am complicit in the views and actions of some black people. They have to own their actions and thoughts and words just like everyone else. If I feel angry about anything it’s mostly that there seems to be a concerted effort by people to destroy other people’s things white AND black people are having homes and livelihoods damaged by people who are black and white who have their own agendas. I’m not even going to mention their organisations everyone knows who they claim to be and what they want. Of course it affects me, it affects everyone even the perpetrators because you know there are consequences. This wall of text I’ve written seems over the top to me and it is sad that something I find normal which is to be compassionate about the destruction I’m witnessing, actually has to be spelt out. IT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR TO GO AROUND DESTROYING THINGS and I feel bad that it’s happening. I also feel fortunate that I have been able to go to University etc but some people don’t. I don’t tell people how they should feel it’s not my place. Your feelings are yours and mine are mine sometimes they are the same sometimes not.

4. I do have a vested interest in US and the world in general. I just didn’t feel I needed to mention it. I came to GLP when 9/11 happened having browsed before. Once again telling me how I should feel has annoyed me. I’m here to hear your views on how YOU feel and think about since I believe you made an interesting post. It would have been better worded had you just asked me about it and not assumed, and told me how I should feel or think. Just ask I really don’t mind. If I don’t want to answer I don’t answer sometimes I could probably expand more but just say and I’ll try.

5. I have mentioned that I don’t believe I am an exception. Just thought I would state that again. Mostly I believe that people like me keep to themselves and don’t shout from the rooftops. We just get on with it. I don’t post on twitter etc and it’s not everyday that I post to GLP. I mostly observe and get on with trying to come up with a solution to things that I believe are a problem. I’m working on something that solves a problem and I believe that I’m doing my bit for the human race not just blacks. When I’m done GLP will probably know first!

6. I have a question for you. Do you believe that just because you don’t hear about people trying to solve these issues you find in black people, that it’s not happening? I haven’t said there’s not a problem. My main disagreement with you is DATA. I look at statistics a whole lot differently than you. What you state is a verifiable FACT ie 80% of blacks are high 80% of the time for example I just haven’t seen enough evidence that that Is statistically true let alone ACTUALLY true. Please give me some links or sources to look at. I think your objectives will be best served if you produce the verifiable facts that you said in your opening statement. A problem is best solved if you have the whole facts of a situation. Maybe we could work together. Like I say I’m working on something and this thread has actually made me look at something again that I missed.

7. Reaching out to people is what I do if I post here. I’m not a social media person but I know that blacks also frequent this site. You know anyone can be an ac right or even a member? I’m working on something. Martin Luther king reached out to blacks and look where that got him! There’s one of the most obvious reasons that keeping low key is what I do. Are you seriously suggesting that my life will be safe if I try to become a leader of blacks who wants to bring about the I have a dream speech? That speech was to bring EVERYONE together ALL races. Do you not see an agenda that doesn’t want that to happen? I’m open to your suggestions and I have my own ideas but it occurred to me a time ago that blacks who are opposed to the current agenda are not safe. You’re a glper you might have an understanding where I’m coming from since this pertains to why most GLPers stay anonymous.

8. Being underestimated by the people who read this black or white. I want things to happen that some blacks or whites or anyone else want. That is who I’m talking to when I say YOU. Some blacks won’t like it some whites won’t, some people underestimate what a single person can achieve. And I’m not just black I just say black it makes things easier as I’m perceived as black by blacks and whites. Blacks might call me light skin. I am Caribbean Native Indian and Indian and Indonesian and white!
Why would I want to dominate my own self??? You don’t have that information till now so I felt the need to clarify. I don’t know what you want. So please clarify. I don’t know if you’re white but I’ve made the assumption that you are and what you might want. I don’t like assumptions and I’d rather redefine a person based on what they say for themselves than rely on my assumptions. We ALL make assumptions and clarification is important.

Thanks for the reply it was informative
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One of the primary genetic reasons for black anti-social behavior is the high frequency of certain monamine oxidase gene variants which lead to violent impulsive behavior. They’ve got a significantly higher frequency of MAOA 2R and an astronomically higher frequency of MAOA 3R (if one has this variant they are almost guaranteed to be a sociopath).
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The "problem" isn't about the black co.munity or even race. It's socio economic/class.

Until we elwvate, have decorum and human dignity, until there is a higher bar for subsistence in this country, until there is basic healthcare...THIS NATION WILL STRUGGLE AND HAVE STRIFE. We're doing it to ourselves.

It's short term thinking.
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Nope....you are wrong.
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I can find a link but there was a whistleblower for "rap music" back in the 90's that said the label execs wanted to glorify murder, drugs, guns, violence etc. with the agenda to keep private prisons full since their investors had invested and numerous of these private prisons. The more inmates a prison has the more money they get. Im not sure that I 100% explained that accurately, but I always think about the message a lot of rappers put out and have definitely influenced "black culture" in general. Disrespect of women, side chicks, baby mamas, crime, drugs, strippers, money... Drug money, gangs, the list goes on. There is not much (but I have heard some) about being there for your kids and wife... Having a family and raising your kids. I've seen it not even just in "black" culture, but all races that go that direction where it's normal and cool to have side chicks and several kids with several different women etc. Then these children are growing up fatherless, and either repeating the cycle or girls getting pregnant at a young age by a man that won't be there. It's sad, but lack of family values in general. Not all and it's not just a black thing, but I think they have been conned and manipulated to fulfill certain sick agendas. I'm sure there's many more than just that specific one too.
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Music influences everyone, however, TRAIN UP A CHILD IN THE WAY HE SHOULD GO AND WHEN HE IS OLD HE WILL NOT DEPART FROM IT. White people are not their problem. they are victims of their own father; lack of parents, parenting, teaching ethics. The blacks that have good parents get an education and succeed.
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Who PROFITS off of all that?
Who OWNS the Hollywood propoganda machine?
Who CONTROLS the music industry?
Who created the Projects?
Who profits off private for profit prisons?
Who introduced crack to the black community?
Who reneged on 40 acres and a mule- leaving newly homeless freed slaves with no education no way to read or write and no way to support themselves.
What alphabet agency owns the NAACP?

Who REALLY created this situation you mention?
What Religion and it wasn't the Christians who brought them over here on slave ships was it?
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EXCUSES for personal accountability!

#1 really irks me. Why do they use the N-word ALL THE TIME to each other, but if a white says it OMG, end of your world. Call the cops. Were they ever taught, sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you? Walk away. Oh yeah, they don't have parents to teach them anything.
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I can find a link but there was a whistleblower for "rap music" back in the 90's that said the label execs wanted to glorify murder, drugs, guns, violence etc. with the agenda to keep private prisons full since their investors had invested and numerous of these private prisons. The more inmates a prison has the more money they get. Im not sure that I 100% explained that accurately, but I always think about the message a lot of rappers put out and have definitely influenced "black culture" in general. Disrespect of women, side chicks, baby mamas, crime, drugs, strippers, money... Drug money, gangs, the list goes on. There is not much (but I have heard some) about being there for your kids and wife... Having a family and raising your kids. I've seen it not even just in "black" culture, but all races that go that direction where it's normal and cool to have side chicks and several kids with several different women etc. Then these children are growing up fatherless, and either repeating the cycle or girls getting pregnant at a young age by a man that won't be there. It's sad, but lack of family values in general. Not all and it's not just a black thing, but I think they have been conned and manipulated to fulfill certain sick agendas. I'm sure there's many more than just that specific one too.
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And they eat it up.





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