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Listen.......If We're Going To Talk About The Problems In The Black Community, Then Let's Establish The Facts And Have A Civil Discussion...

 
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It's actually mainly black males that commit most of the serious crime, so 7% of the population.

Let that sink in... 7% commit more than half of the serious crimes.
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You're not factoring in that 1/3 of 7% is elderly and 1/3 is children, so it's closer to 2%. Let that sink in.

2% committing 52% of violent crime.
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Where is the stat on Black on Black crimes? How much do their lives really matter to them? Show us.
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1. I don’t call myself the N word for precisely the reasons stated nor does anyone I know.

2. I have a Science degree. I know who Tesla is and I don’t look up to anyone who hasn’t achieved anything worthwhile. That being said, I know of former criminals who I admire purely because they DID change their lives for the better.

3. History is written by the victors. I believe that what we know can be skewed, just look at the current situation with Covid some people even question its existence! There is no consensus as to whether it is manmade or not in the science community. In 10 years we don’t know what will be told of 2020 let alone 100 years. I tend to be pragmatic and stick to published data regarding anthropology and biology science and history. If someone with my background is here on GLP questioning the narrative since I was in University imagine what others are doing?

4. I tip with good service. It’s not a requirement here in UK as much as US, however I find it quite a nice thing to do in a restaurant when you have a lovely atmosphere and good service. I don’t think tipping should be mandatory as I think it actually encourages good service, but that’s just my personal opinion. If I ever visit US I would tip all the time because it’s your culture regardless and it is polite to respect others culture in there own land.

5. Everyone I know is proud of my achievements. As the oldest I went to University first, my sister followed. A lot of my black friends attended University whereas some of my white friends haven’t and I respect my friends black or white regardless of their higher education status. On my WhatsApp I get texts from people supporting black businesses so I disagree that blacks keep each other down

6. I know the statistics in US are not good. I don’t defend criminality. Also the Viking gene in some whites is quite similar just an observation but there seems to be the same mentality within a population of whites who commit similar crimes. If I really were to look it would be the same in other races too. I call it the Viking gene because of the mythology surrounding berserkers and the raping and pillaging. Seems to be a male characteristic found in all races and dampened down by ‘society’. Regardless I believe that the current climate is awakening the same anarchist behaviour in whites Anitifa is an example.

7. See 6.

8. Vikings wore braids, Egyptians wore wigs (I believe) Cultural appropriation is something I am not even going there with since over time vultures have appropriated so much from each other. Britain has appropriated from every invasion to the land such as Roman and Norman, linguists, fashion,technology, it’s the British way. I have absolutely no problem with anything from black culture being appropriated. I get my hair braided in a salon before lockdown and a lot of the customers are white girls who like the 2 braid look I think black people should take it as a compliment and actually make money!

9. I’m starting to believe that there really is no such thing as ‘racism’. I personally call it tribalism and all humans display this behaviour. Some are more tribal than others. That’s the only way I can describe what I’m witnessing from 2020. I’ve got more to say about it but I could end up talking forever!

10. Never taught to be ‘racist’. Nor has any of my friends. People are also white in my family I’ve dated white and blacks and mixed race men and truthfully all of what you are saying comes down to character of a person. And EVERYONE has flaws.

Hope this thread gives you the answers and the discourse you want because I don’t think or at least I hope I’m not the only black person who will take the time to post a reply.

hf
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Sounds like you had good parents. That is the exception and not the rule.
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1. I don’t call myself the N word for precisely the reasons stated nor does anyone I know.
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That's good to hear. In that case, you would be considered a "normal" every day, decent person, although an outlier for your race.

2. I have a Science degree. I know who Tesla is and I don’t look up to anyone who hasn’t achieved anything worthwhile. That being said, I know of former criminals who I admire purely because they DID change their lives for the better.
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Again, that's great to hear and you would be an outlier. However, the mere fact that you're even having to point out that you have a degree and that know who Tesla is, underscores the original, much broader issue with the black community. Your accomplishment wouldn't stand out to the same degree if you were white.

3. History is written by the victors. I believe that what we know can be skewed, just look at the current situation with Covid some people even question its existence! There is no consensus as to whether it is manmade or not in the science community. In 10 years we don’t know what will be told of 2020 let alone 100 years. I tend to be pragmatic and stick to published data regarding anthropology and biology science and history. If someone with my background is here on GLP questioning the narrative since I was in University imagine what others are doing?
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Not sure what your point is here, other than yes, history can (and has) been greatly skewed with today's history lessons being heavily weighted against white people. Sadly, it's been that way since the 60's and has gotten worse over time. As I mentioned, the relativity recent phenomenon among black culture is to completely invert actual fact based historical events and anthropology. As a black person, you should be denouncing such acts of stupidity.

4. I tip with good service. It’s not a requirement here in UK as much as US, however I find it quite a nice thing to do in a restaurant when you have a lovely atmosphere and good service. I don’t think tipping should be mandatory as I think it actually encourages good service, but that’s just my personal opinion. If I ever visit US I would tip all the time because it’s your culture regardless and it is polite to respect others culture in there own land.
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You would absolutely hate being a food delivery driver in the deep south. Blacks rarely tip anyone, regardless of race.


5. Everyone I know is proud of my achievements. As the oldest I went to University first, my sister followed. A lot of my black friends attended University whereas some of my white friends haven’t and I respect my friends black or white regardless of their higher education status. On my WhatsApp I get texts from people supporting black businesses so I disagree that blacks keep each other down
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Much of this probably has a lot to with the fact that you're not living in the Unites States, much less in the Southern states. Your personal experience and success might also have something to do with your genetics to some degree. Occasionally it's luck, but regardless of race, genetics clearly play a role in a person's outcome in many cases. There's actually several studies out there that analyze the genetic differences (in aggregate) between US blacks and blacks who have been brought up in a traditional European and/or British country and/or environment.

6. I know the statistics in US are not good. I don’t defend criminality. Also the Viking gene in some whites is quite similar just an observation but there seems to be the same mentality within a population of whites who commit similar crimes. If I really were to look it would be the same in other races too. I call it the Viking gene because of the mythology surrounding berserkers and the raping and pillaging. Seems to be a male characteristic found in all races and dampened down by ‘society’. Regardless I believe that the current climate is awakening the same anarchist behaviour in whites Anitifa is an example.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Firstly, are there violent whites? Of course. However, the point here is that in aggregate, blacks are overwhelmingly more violent. Also, the "viking gene" as you call it, ultimately led to a modern society that enables blacks to have the ability to drive a car, own a house and like you, go to college. Blacks were never known for their ability or desire for conquests and adventure. Secondly, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges. Attempting to compare and contrast the raping and pillaging committed by whites in America, vs. the raping and pillaging committed by blacks in America is once again a fool's errand. Blacks culture revels in its violence. White culture generally condemns and shuns violence when it occurs. The last two decades of endless videos on the internet easily reveal the violence within the black community to anyone who denies it, although this fact was obviously known long before the internet was around.


8. Vikings wore braids, Egyptians wore wigs (I believe) Cultural appropriation is something I am not even going there with since over time vultures have appropriated so much from each other. Britain has appropriated from every invasion to the land such as Roman and Norman, linguists, fashion,technology, it’s the British way. I have absolutely no problem with anything from black culture being appropriated. I get my hair braided in a salon before lockdown and a lot of the customers are white girls who like the 2 braid look I think black people should take it as a compliment and actually make money!
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So once again you're exhibiting what would be considered normal, decent behavior. If more blacks did this, we'd be having a different conversation entirely.

9. I’m starting to believe that there really is no such thing as ‘racism’. I personally call it tribalism and all humans display this behaviour. Some are more tribal than others. That’s the only way I can describe what I’m witnessing from 2020. I’ve got more to say about it but I could end up talking forever!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343287


Regardless of the label you wish to attach to general, rotten behavior, the statistics are clear: Blacks in America exhibit this destructive behavior many, many, many times over whites. The facts are in the open for anyone to view. Attempting to make this somehow "ambiguous" or insinuating that whites in any way, account for the same rotten behavior exhibited by blacks, is just childishly viewing the world from rose colored glasses as means to avoid accountability. Blacks are genetically many times more tribal than whites. That's just a fact. So the question is, what can society do about this?

10. Never taught to be ‘racist’. Nor has any of my friends. People are also white in my family I’ve dated white and blacks and mixed race men and truthfully all of what you are saying comes down to character of a person. And EVERYONE has flaws.

Hope this thread gives you the answers and the discourse you want because I don’t think or at least I hope I’m not the only black person who will take the time to post a reply.

hf
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Thank you for your comments. As I said in my opening post, the fact pattern doesn't represent every black person, although it does represent the majority. Thank you for replying.
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5 star reply!!!!! nothing but truth
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data?

My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.

Thus I won’t be saying anything else. I’ve been on GLP for a long time with 2 user names (even longer if you count that I’ve was lurking since 1999 2000 time) I’ll get crucified for saying all this probably get red karma lol

That’s life and I’d really like some other black people especially from the US to jump in this thread and say how they feel and talk about the REALITY. It gets tiresome reading that all black people are this and that without someone saying ‘well hang on a minute, that’s not my reality at all’ I really would like some black opinions and views even if it’s opposite to mine.

I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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That's good to hear. In that case, you would be considered a "normal" every day, decent person, although an outlier for your race.

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Again, that's great to hear and you would be an outlier. However, the mere fact that you're even having to point out that you have a degree and that know who Tesla is, underscores the original, much broader issue with the black community. Your accomplishment wouldn't stand out to the same degree if you were white.

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Not sure what your point is here, other than yes, history can (and has) been greatly skewed with today's history lessons being heavily weighted against white people. Sadly, it's been that way since the 60's and has gotten worse over time. As I mentioned, the relativity recent phenomenon among black culture is to completely invert actual fact based historical events and anthropology. As a black person, you should be denouncing such acts of stupidity.

...


You would absolutely hate being a food delivery driver in the deep south. Blacks rarely tip anyone, regardless of race.


...


Much of this probably has a lot to with the fact that you're not living in the Unites States, much less in the Southern states. Your personal experience and success might also have something to do with your genetics to some degree. Occasionally it's luck, but regardless of race, genetics clearly play a role in a person's outcome in many cases. There's actually several studies out there that analyze the genetic differences (in aggregate) between US blacks and blacks who have been brought up in a traditional European and/or British country and/or environment.

...


Firstly, are there violent whites? Of course. However, the point here is that in aggregate, blacks are overwhelmingly more violent. Also, the "viking gene" as you call it, ultimately led to a modern society that enables blacks to have the ability to drive a car, own a house and like you, go to college. Blacks were never known for their ability or desire for conquests and adventure. Secondly, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges. Attempting to compare and contrast the raping and pillaging committed by whites in America, vs. the raping and pillaging committed by blacks in America is once again a fool's errand. Blacks culture revels in its violence. White culture generally condemns and shuns violence when it occurs. The last two decades of endless videos on the internet easily reveal the violence within the black community to anyone who denies it, although this fact was obviously known long before the internet was around.


...


So once again you're exhibiting what would be considered normal, decent behavior. If more blacks did this, we'd be having a different conversation entirely.

...


Regardless of the label you wish to attach to general, rotten behavior, the statistics are clear: Blacks in America exhibit this destructive behavior many, many, many times over whites. The facts are in the open for anyone to view. Attempting to make this somehow "ambiguous" or insinuating that whites in any way, account for the same rotten behavior exhibited by blacks, is just childishly viewing the world from rose colored glasses as means to avoid accountability. Blacks are genetically many times more tribal than whites. That's just a fact. So the question is, what can society do about this?

...


Thank you for your comments. As I said in my opening post, the fact pattern doesn't represent every black person, although it does represent the majority. Thank you for replying.
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5 star reply!!!!! nothing but truth
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data?

My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.

Thus I won’t be saying anything else. I’ve been on GLP for a long time with 2 user names (even longer if you count that I’ve was lurking since 1999 2000 time) I’ll get crucified for saying all this probably get red karma lol

That’s life and I’d really like some other black people especially from the US to jump in this thread and say how they feel and talk about the REALITY. It gets tiresome reading that all black people are this and that without someone saying ‘well hang on a minute, that’s not my reality at all’ I really would like some black opinions and views even if it’s opposite to mine.

I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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I was talking about the ‘narrative’ if you read clearly. That is how it seems that this thread is playing out. It seems that the NARRATIVE is that all black people are somehow degenerate. That is my PERCEPTION of the narrative. Many sentences say black people are this that or the other not SOME black people are that way. I was merely pointing out my perception of the overall narrative throughout this thread. And there are other instances where posters have made clear that difference. I’m talking about overall perception. I’m not sure where I KEEP stating it.

This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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5 star reply!!!!! nothing but truth
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data?

My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.

Thus I won’t be saying anything else. I’ve been on GLP for a long time with 2 user names (even longer if you count that I’ve was lurking since 1999 2000 time) I’ll get crucified for saying all this probably get red karma lol

That’s life and I’d really like some other black people especially from the US to jump in this thread and say how they feel and talk about the REALITY. It gets tiresome reading that all black people are this and that without someone saying ‘well hang on a minute, that’s not my reality at all’ I really would like some black opinions and views even if it’s opposite to mine.

I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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I was talking about the ‘narrative’ if you read clearly. That is how it seems that this thread is playing out. It seems that the NARRATIVE is that all black people are somehow degenerate. That is my PERCEPTION of the narrative. Many sentences say black people are this that or the other not SOME black people are that way. I was merely pointing out my perception of the overall narrative throughout this thread. And there are other instances where posters have made clear that difference. I’m talking about overall perception. I’m not sure where I KEEP stating it.

This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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While I'm sure most of us can appreciate your civil responses, you're typing a hell of a lot of words, but you're not really saying much with those words. What exactly is your counter argument or "perspective" with the fact that blacks do indeed commit 50% of all violent crime in the United States? The conversation really should begin and END there regarding whether there's a "narrative" or not. There's no narrative. That's not an "opposing view". It's just a fact. Instead of sidestepping the point that the black population is greatly over represented in both crime thus terrible lifestyle choices, why not just accept that black culture as it stands, is overwhelmingly destructive for not only their own humanity, but everyone else's?
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This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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While I'm sure most of us can appreciate your civil responses, you're typing a hell of a lot of words, but you're not really saying much with those words. What exactly is your counter argument or "perspective" with the fact that blacks do indeed commit 50% of all violent crime in the United States? The conversation really should begin and END there regarding whether there's a "narrative" or not. There's no narrative. That's not an "opposing view". It's just a fact. Instead of sidestepping the point that the black population is greatly over represented in both crime thus terrible lifestyle choices, why not just accept that black culture as it stands, is overwhelmingly destructive for not only their own humanity, but everyone else's?
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I have seen the reply and it’s very interesting that I’m considered an outlier.

Other points represent the writers viewpoint and I’ve stated mine which on reflection is quite simplified based on the parameters I was given.

I have leeway in that I’m quite open to the view points of others, since it interests me more than it aggravates me.

In essence I feel that my experience as a black British person is most likely very different from that of a US black person, and even so I only speak for myself because that’s all you can do, right?

As for patterns recognition. I’m working on something at the moment that kind of ties into that. What are we without data?

My area of science relies heavily on statistical analysis and my measured intelligence is Cognitve pure maths is the bane of my life whereas statistical analysis is my forte. I score extremely high (it is not bragging I’m actually a genius in that area of intelligence) with Cognitive intelligence rather than others such as musical ( I only play one instrument which is the flute) where I’m only average. Linguistically i can pick up languages like french and Spanish but if I don’t use them I forget. I have a lot on my mind right now so English is what I use.

My point is with the above is that I feel I need to point out all of this because the narrative so far seems to be that ALL black people are a problem for white peoples and are less than when it comes to intelligence.

I can’t even tell you how, but I’m an asset to my country, and I’m sure there are black people in your country who are the same or even more of an asset but they don’t brag about it. Most people I know who are like me don’t even mention it and it is embarrassing to feel like I have to just to make a point because I have different skin tone.

Thus I won’t be saying anything else. I’ve been on GLP for a long time with 2 user names (even longer if you count that I’ve was lurking since 1999 2000 time) I’ll get crucified for saying all this probably get red karma lol

That’s life and I’d really like some other black people especially from the US to jump in this thread and say how they feel and talk about the REALITY. It gets tiresome reading that all black people are this and that without someone saying ‘well hang on a minute, that’s not my reality at all’ I really would like some black opinions and views even if it’s opposite to mine.

I just want to get on in life and I prefer to compete especially intellectually, on a level playing field. In some ways it’s actually good that I’m underestimated by you. Makes me work faster and with space, no pressure on me to actually solve things on a schedule outside of the norm.
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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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I was talking about the ‘narrative’ if you read clearly. That is how it seems that this thread is playing out. It seems that the NARRATIVE is that all black people are somehow degenerate. That is my PERCEPTION of the narrative. Many sentences say black people are this that or the other not SOME black people are that way. I was merely pointing out my perception of the overall narrative throughout this thread. And there are other instances where posters have made clear that difference. I’m talking about overall perception. I’m not sure where I KEEP stating it.

This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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While I'm sure most of us can appreciate your civil responses, you're typing a hell of a lot of words, but you're not really saying much with those words. What exactly is your counter argument or "perspective" with the fact that blacks do indeed commit 50% of all violent crime in the United States? The conversation really should begin and END there regarding whether there's a "narrative" or not. There's no narrative. That's not an "opposing view". It's just a fact. Instead of sidestepping the point that the black population is greatly over represented in both crime thus terrible lifestyle choices, why not just accept that black culture as it stands, is overwhelmingly destructive for not only their own humanity, but everyone else's?
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I honestly thought I have addressed this in my walls of text. I don’t think I sidestepped anything I tried to discuss each point made in the OP and gave my opinion. I like discussion but it seems that I’m just not good at it because I truly believe I gave as much of my perception of the points made by the original OP. I talked about my experience as a black person and note that I’m not American. I think an American black person might give you more of the black experience that could inform this discussion so I think I should step away from the thread and let them speak for themselves.
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It's actually mainly black males that commit most of the serious crime, so 7% of the population.

Let that sink in... 7% commit more than half of the serious crimes.
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EXACTLY!!!

Because the rest are Black FEMALES.....so the number of Black Violent Criminal Felons [males] are actually much smaller but yet still cause the most crime.
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I see a lot of people talking about blacks on this forum. Instead of resorting to the typical hate filled rants about black people, I think it's much more productive to establish the verifiable facts surrounding blacks and their culture, and then go from there. If America is to solve racial issues, we need to start with being honest with one another. We cannot continue to ignore the issues at hand if we truly want to solve them.

The following points below are what I believe are the top dilemmas with blacks and black culture. It goes without saying that these points don't represent all blacks. However, the following points do, in my opinion, represent the majority of blacks. Whether that majority is 51% or 91% is debatable, however, the fact patterns remain very consistent.

1.) They call themselves a name (the "N" word) which they hate being called by whites. It’s counterintuitive. It's illogical. It's disrespectful to themselves and their own ethnicity, yet they continue to do it.

2.) They look up to thugs, murderers, abusers, druggies, and overrated, high paid talentless hacks like Jay-Z. How many blacks look up to Tesla? How many blacks even know who the he was?

3.) They constantly invert truth and blatantly lie about statistics, world history and anthropology. It's not even subtle. You see this all the time on social media and even here on GLP. Blacks who refer to themselves as being "woke" are the normal suspects who resort to this nonsense. Aside from it being just downright embarrassing for their culture, this near mentally challenged way of perceiving reality only emboldens other blacks to participate in the same behavior. It's not a good look and they're just pushing whites (and other races) further away from them. I've literally seen comments from blacks who claim that a black man invented the submarine, or that the first humans on earth were Africans. We need to stop encouraging this madness.

4.) 80% of the Black community is high 80% of the time. A few years ago I delivered food in Atlanta to make ends meet. One day out of boredom I decided to do an experiment. For the entire day I counted how many tips I received from Blacks vs. Whites. I delivered to 7 different black people and 5 different white people. Only 1 black person gave me a $2 tip and 4 whites gave me a total of $24. Out of the 7 blacks, literally 5 of them opened their door that released an overwhelming waft of weed.

5.) Blacks keep each other down and they impose shame anytime another black person experiences any type of conventional success in life. How do they do this? Many ways, ranging from bullying and physical abuse to calling each other "coons." Blacks are literally the only race known to shame success. If a black person went into business and has predominantly black customers, that's usually the one exception where they wouldn't be called a coon. This issue coincides with blacks lacking the desire to improve their own communities. Any time they are confronted with this observation, they once again claim that white people are somehow responsible for their actions, or lack thereof.

6.) Blacks are roughly 14% of today's population in the U.S. and without fail, they commit nearly 50% of all violent crime, every single year. Any time they are confronted with this fact, Blacks will often attempt to claim that the FBI statistics are bogus, and/or that blacks account for a much larger % of the population than 14%, which of course are both blatant fallacies. Similarly to Arabs, the Blacks seem to be genetically and innately violent when compared to other races, but particularly when compared to Caucasians. This can be documented rather clearly when looking at the crime statistics.

7.) Blacks lack the ability to delay gratification and the ability to foresee consequences. There seems to be an instant, knee jerk component with their daily behavior. Whether it be drugs, crime, women, not saving money, there is something going on there that cannot be ignored. If one was so inclined to learn why, just google "the marshmallow experiment". You may need to skip to the third or fourth page page of the results though, since Google doesn't really want you to know what that's all about. This also ties in with what could actually be an entirely new point, which is the fact that blacks are undeniably obsessed with image and materialism. This problem fuels their instant gratification need, which then circles back to crime.

8.) Blacks scream "cultural appropriation" on nearly every facet of a white person's existence. This needs to end, as it's absurd beyond comprehension and is clearly just being used as a channel to hate white people. In fact, if white people actually cared one iota about their own cultural appropriation, blacks would be guilty as charged 100 times over. When Beyonce sews real blonde hair into her scalp, do you see white people screaming cultural appropriation? When a black person walks into a Mexican restaurant do you see Mexicans calling out cultural appropriation? If a black person has an Asian/eastern philosophical tattoo, do you see Asians getting upset? The hypocrisy is staggering.

9.) Blacks (with the help of far left whites) have given themselves "a right to be racist against white people" card, and that card never expires. It allows them to literally get away with murder. It allows them to never be held accountable for the very crimes they are falsely accusing other races of.

10.) Blacks are taught to be racist towards white people before they are able to walk. This is sacred in many black "households", and not teaching this to young black kids is often considered to be a form of betrayal to the black race. I used quotes around the word household since it's typically just the mother who's around. In any event, black mothers are notorious for instilling this kind of "hate whitey" mentality, and it can be exceptionally toxic when it's taught to young black girls, as they typically just carry on the tradition when they become single parent mothers themselves.

There are no doubt many other issues that I could point out. However, I'd argue that the top points above are probably the most destructive attributes of the black race and their culture. I'm open to discuss this further with anyone, regardless of their race.
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Who PROFITS off of all that?
Who OWNS the Hollywood propoganda machine?
Who CONTROLS the music industry?
Who created the Projects?
Who profits off private for profit prisons?
Who introduced crack to the black community?
Who reneged on 40 acres and a mule- leaving newly homeless freed slaves with no education no way to read or write and no way to support themselves.
What alphabet agency owns the NAACP?

Who REALLY created this situation you mention?
What Religion and it wasn't the Christians who brought them over here on slave ships was it?
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They weaponized the black race. Killed their strong leaders and fed them a bunch of garbage hip hop and gang culture.

They using them just like they use the arabs.

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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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I was talking about the ‘narrative’ if you read clearly. That is how it seems that this thread is playing out. It seems that the NARRATIVE is that all black people are somehow degenerate. That is my PERCEPTION of the narrative. Many sentences say black people are this that or the other not SOME black people are that way. I was merely pointing out my perception of the overall narrative throughout this thread. And there are other instances where posters have made clear that difference. I’m talking about overall perception. I’m not sure where I KEEP stating it.

This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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While I'm sure most of us can appreciate your civil responses, you're typing a hell of a lot of words, but you're not really saying much with those words. What exactly is your counter argument or "perspective" with the fact that blacks do indeed commit 50% of all violent crime in the United States? The conversation really should begin and END there regarding whether there's a "narrative" or not. There's no narrative. That's not an "opposing view". It's just a fact. Instead of sidestepping the point that the black population is greatly over represented in both crime thus terrible lifestyle choices, why not just accept that black culture as it stands, is overwhelmingly destructive for not only their own humanity, but everyone else's?
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I honestly thought I have addressed this in my walls of text. I don’t think I sidestepped anything I tried to discuss each point made in the OP and gave my opinion. I like discussion but it seems that I’m just not good at it because I truly believe I gave as much of my perception of the points made by the original OP. I talked about my experience as a black person and note that I’m not American. I think an American black person might give you more of the black experience that could inform this discussion so I think I should step away from the thread and let them speak for themselves.
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Stop acting as if you're unaware that blacks are not overrepresented in crime in the UK. We'd like to assume that you're much smarter than that. Blacks have a big problem, in virtually any country they exist. We won't allow you to get way that easy!

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Figure 4.12: Arrest rates per 1,000 members of the population by self identified
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Figure 7.01: British nationals in the prison population by ethnicity per 10,000
people aged 15 years old or more, 2014

Figure 7.06: Rates of assaults in prison, by type of participant and ethnicity,
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Figure 4.14: Offenders cautioned for notifiable offences, per 1000 people, by
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It's actually mainly black males that commit most of the serious crime, so 7% of the population.

Let that sink in... 7% commit more than half of the serious crimes.
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You're not factoring in that 1/3 of 7% is elderly and 1/3 is children, so it's closer to 2%. Let that sink in.

2% committing 52% of violent crime.
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I think if the body count from all the wars white politicians started to steal people's resources was factored in, the stats you are using would pale in comparison. I guess war crimes and crimes of people in power that are never prosecuted don't count. I have no problem with white people but sometimes you're so busy pointing the finger you don't see the 3 pointing back at you. Yes, we had Obama. The wealth, the political power, the defense companies, the banks, the media conglomerates, the tech companies......all the things people complain about on this website and that most conspiracies are made of.....involve white people 90 percent of the time.

So yeah.....we have a lot of bad apples caught in a cycle of destruction that few will ever escape because regardless of how how much free will they have, that 2% actually controls very little that surrounds them. 1% of white people control everything and their crimes aren't quantifiable because they are hidden. Sometimes they result in hundreds of thousands of bodies. Perspective. I don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black. Even the shootings in a place like Chicago are a byproduct of decisions made by white people. Surely you remember the violence of the prohibition era when alcohol was illegal. The war on drugs is no different. If there wasn't so much money to be made, street gangs wouldn't even be relevant. Young men would have to actually learn how to apply themselves or starve. Respectable men would become desirable again.

You have only years of bad governance by mostly white people and constant bombarding and brainwashing with stereotypes by media companies primarily owned by white people to thank for most of the ignorant behavior you see. Hell, almost all the black people who have any real wealth, power, fame, or status in America are sellouts to some white man's agenda anyway.

None of this absolves anyone from any personal blame for their actions. I'm not saying we should blame whitey for all black societies ills. Some people are assholes. But the conditions necessary to create these crazy mfers we are seeing roaming the streets today were created by outside forces with ill intent and unfortunately most are in a condition they can't be red pilled. Even the ones that think they're woke believe making all white people the enemy is a good idea. When really it's just a tiny minority of white people in power we should ALL be against.

And I know someone will say most of those aren't white people they are really dual citizens of Israeli nationality. But to black people there is no difference.
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I think if the body count from all the wars white politicians started to steal people's resources was factored in, the stats you are using would pale in comparison. I guess war crimes and crimes of people in power that are never prosecuted don't count.
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What fucking planet are you on? Since when do crimes of people in power don't count? You're straw manning this shit out of this "discussion" by attempting to inject and argue against an entirely different subject. This discussion is about how destructive black culture is, you got that? You're attempting to deflect away from the fact that Blacks account for over 50% of all violent crime in America, and on a per capita basis, contribute next to zero to society, when compared to whites, Mexicans, Asians and just about every other race on earth. Blacks are an endless economic siphon, and their burning, looting and murder will only continue to increase exponentially as they continue to realize their demands aren't met, and as they realize they don't actually fit into a modern society. This is a a big fucking problem. Black destructive behavior and people attempts to deflect black accountability, needs to end.

I have no problem with white people but sometimes you're so busy pointing the finger you don't see the 3 pointing back at you.
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If you didn't have an issue with whites, you wouldn't bother writing your obnoxious drivel, filled with deflections and whataboutisms. You're also terrible a math. Again, in aggregate, blacks commit far more crime than whites and contribute far less that whites. Those are facts, not opinion. If you actually gave a flying fuck, you would acknowledge that the "Marxist Africanization" of western culture is indeed one the most eminent threats that our nation is currently facing.


Yes, we had Obama. The wealth, the political power, the defense companies, the banks, the media conglomerates, the tech companies......all the things people complain about on this website and that most conspiracies are made of.....involve white people 90 percent of the time.
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Oh, but you don't have a problem with white people, remember? In regards to power, corruption and control (even though again, this thread is about blacks) you know damn well that the people you're referring to are by no means "white". So then why bother bringing this up?

So yeah.....we have a lot of bad apples caught in a cycle of destruction that few will ever escape because regardless of how how much free will they have, that 2% actually controls very little that surrounds them. 1% of white people control everything and their crimes aren't quantifiable because they are hidden. Sometimes they result in hundreds of thousands of bodies. Perspective. I don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black. Even the shootings in a place like Chicago are a byproduct of decisions made by white people. Surely you remember the violence of the prohibition era when alcohol was illegal. The war on drugs is no different. If there wasn't so much money to be made, street gangs wouldn't even be relevant. Young men would have to actually learn how to apply themselves or starve. Respectable men would become desirable again.
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If you're not white, you're clearly a racist, scapegoating, poorly educated, vile piece of shit who fails to grasp what's actually happening here in America. If you're indeed white, then you're still those things, but you're also the poster child of today's useless, indoctrinated youth.

You have only years of bad governance by mostly white people and constant bombarding and brainwashing with stereotypes by media companies primarily owned by white people to thank for most of the ignorant behavior you see. Hell, almost all the black people who have any real wealth, power, fame, or status in America are sellouts to some white man's agenda anyway.
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It was only a matter of time before your white hating, uneducated brain accused other successful blacks as being coons. The way in which blacks perpetually keep each other down by being obsessed with the "white agenda" is half the problem, and here you are, contributing to the problem.


None of this absolves anyone from any personal blame for their actions. I'm not saying we should blame whitey for all black societies ills. Some people are assholes. But the conditions necessary to create these crazy mfers we are seeing roaming the streets today were created by outside forces with ill intent and unfortunately most are in a condition they can't be red pilled. Even the ones that think they're woke believe making all white people the enemy is a good idea. When really it's just a tiny minority of white people in power we should ALL be against.
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What fucking "conditions" did white people create for blacks? Taking them out from their mud huts in Africa? Giving them affirmative action? Welfare? Handout after handout? Placating to their materialistic, fragile, precious egos? You're probably too obtuse to realize that that by your statement above, you literally just proved a dozen points regarding the issue with blacks not being intellectually capable of integrating with society. It's embarrassing.

And I know someone will say most of those aren't white people they are really dual citizens of Israeli nationality. But to black people there is no difference.
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Finally! The one true and relevant thing you've said yet. Thank you for at least finally acknowledging how fucking dense and blindly racist blacks are.

Now fuck off with your pointless comments, already.
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I think if the body count from all the wars white politicians started to steal people's resources was factored in, the stats you are using would pale in comparison. I guess war crimes and crimes of people in power that are never prosecuted don't count.
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What fucking planet are you on? Since when do crimes of people in power don't count? You're straw manning this shit out of this "discussion" by attempting to inject and argue against an entirely different subject. This discussion is about how destructive black culture is, you got that? You're attempting to deflect away from the fact that Blacks account for over 50% of all violent crime in America, and on a per capita basis, contribute next to zero to society, when compared to whites, Mexicans, Asians and just about every other race on earth. Blacks are an endless economic siphon, and their burning, looting and murder will only continue to increase exponentially as they continue to realize their demands aren't met, and as they realize they don't actually fit into a modern society. This is a a big fucking problem. Black destructive behavior and people attempts to deflect black accountability, needs to end.

I have no problem with white people but sometimes you're so busy pointing the finger you don't see the 3 pointing back at you.
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If you didn't have an issue with whites, you wouldn't bother writing your obnoxious drivel, filled with deflections and whataboutisms. You're also terrible a math. Again, in aggregate, blacks commit far more crime than whites and contribute far less that whites. Those are facts, not opinion. If you actually gave a flying fuck, you would acknowledge that the "Marxist Africanization" of western culture is indeed one the most eminent threats that our nation is currently facing.


Yes, we had Obama. The wealth, the political power, the defense companies, the banks, the media conglomerates, the tech companies......all the things people complain about on this website and that most conspiracies are made of.....involve white people 90 percent of the time.
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Oh, but you don't have a problem with white people, remember? In regards to power, corruption and control (even though again, this thread is about blacks) you know damn well that the people you're referring to are by no means "white". So then why bother bringing this up?

So yeah.....we have a lot of bad apples caught in a cycle of destruction that few will ever escape because regardless of how how much free will they have, that 2% actually controls very little that surrounds them. 1% of white people control everything and their crimes aren't quantifiable because they are hidden. Sometimes they result in hundreds of thousands of bodies. Perspective. I don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black. Even the shootings in a place like Chicago are a byproduct of decisions made by white people. Surely you remember the violence of the prohibition era when alcohol was illegal. The war on drugs is no different. If there wasn't so much money to be made, street gangs wouldn't even be relevant. Young men would have to actually learn how to apply themselves or starve. Respectable men would become desirable again.
 Quoting: rustyclutch151


If you're not white, you're clearly a racist, scapegoating, poorly educated, vile piece of shit who fails to grasp what's actually happening here in America. If you're indeed white, then you're still those things, but you're also the poster child of today's useless, indoctrinated youth.

You have only years of bad governance by mostly white people and constant bombarding and brainwashing with stereotypes by media companies primarily owned by white people to thank for most of the ignorant behavior you see. Hell, almost all the black people who have any real wealth, power, fame, or status in America are sellouts to some white man's agenda anyway.
 Quoting: rustyclutch151


It was only a matter of time before your white hating, uneducated brain accused other successful blacks as being coons. The way in which blacks perpetually keep each other down by being obsessed with the "white agenda" is half the problem, and here you are, contributing to the problem.


None of this absolves anyone from any personal blame for their actions. I'm not saying we should blame whitey for all black societies ills. Some people are assholes. But the conditions necessary to create these crazy mfers we are seeing roaming the streets today were created by outside forces with ill intent and unfortunately most are in a condition they can't be red pilled. Even the ones that think they're woke believe making all white people the enemy is a good idea. When really it's just a tiny minority of white people in power we should ALL be against.
 Quoting: rustyclutch151


What fucking "conditions" did white people create for blacks? Taking them out from their mud huts in Africa? Giving them affirmative action? Welfare? Handout after handout? Placating to their materialistic, fragile, precious egos? You're probably too obtuse to realize that that by your statement above, you literally just proved a dozen points regarding the issue with blacks not being intellectually capable of integrating with society. It's embarrassing.

And I know someone will say most of those aren't white people they are really dual citizens of Israeli nationality. But to black people there is no difference.
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Finally! The one true and relevant thing you've said yet. Thank you for at least finally acknowledging how fucking dense and blindly racist blacks are.

Now fuck off with your pointless comments, already.
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OP, you're missing the fact about the number of single parent households.

Only 38% of black households have 2 parents. That's a huge drop from 1960, when it was like 70%.

That's the core problem.
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That and IQ. Socialist policies are dysgenic. Pay the drug dealing jailbird class to get vasectomies and pay the highest IQ and productive black men to raise large families. End single mom welfare. Better genes will do the rest.
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1. Until we can acknowledge and discuss the statistically epidemic levels of crime committed by young black men without being called racists, this will continue to be the norm.


2. "Our children and grandchildren may yet curse the day we began hyping race and ethnicity. There are countries where that has led to slaughters in the streets but you cannot name a country where it has led to greater harmony." - Thomas Sowell


3. "We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the black minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the blacks. We will aid the blacks to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the black will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

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4. Black males age 18-35 years of age are only 1.8% of the U.S. population, yet have committed 52% of homicides
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OP, you're missing the fact about the number of single parent households.

Only 38% of black households have 2 parents. That's a huge drop from 1960, when it was like 70%.

That's the core problem.
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That and IQ. Socialist policies are dysgenic. Pay the drug dealing jailbird class to get vasectomies and pay the highest IQ and productive black men to raise large families. End single mom welfare. Better genes will do the rest.
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Pretty sure low IQ and poor cognitive ability has been discussed several times in this thread
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1. Until we can acknowledge and discuss the statistically epidemic levels of crime committed by young black men without being called racists, fully segregate again, this will continue to be the norm.

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Fixed it for ya
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OP, you're missing the fact about the number of single parent households.

Only 38% of black households have 2 parents. That's a huge drop from 1960, when it was like 70%.

That's the core problem.
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That and IQ. Socialist policies are dysgenic. Pay the drug dealing jailbird class to get vasectomies and pay the highest IQ and productive black men to raise large families. End single mom welfare. Better genes will do the rest.
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Pretty sure low IQ and poor cognitive ability has been discussed several times in this thread
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And eugenics would go a long ways towards solving that.

Press gangs and hangings in England in the 1700-1800s did wonders for improving the gene pool.
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Right here on GLP Laural Canyon was in the title, and now it is gone.

Infact there were several outlining the CIA/Military influence on rock and roll and they are all gone.
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Awww, that's too bad the Laurel Canyon thread was lost. It was great info and discussion!
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It's actually mainly black males that commit most of the serious crime, so 7% of the population.

Let that sink in... 7% commit more than half of the serious crimes.
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You're not factoring in that 1/3 of 7% is elderly and 1/3 is children, so it's closer to 2%. Let that sink in.

2% committing 52% of violent crime.
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I think if the body count from all the wars white politicians started to steal people's resources was factored in, the stats you are using would pale in comparison. I guess war crimes and crimes of people in power that are never prosecuted don't count. I have no problem with white people but sometimes you're so busy pointing the finger you don't see the 3 pointing back at you. Yes, we had Obama. The wealth, the political power, the defense companies, the banks, the media conglomerates, the tech companies......all the things people complain about on this website and that most conspiracies are made of.....involve white people 90 percent of the time.

So yeah.....we have a lot of bad apples caught in a cycle of destruction that few will ever escape because regardless of how how much free will they have, that 2% actually controls very little that surrounds them. 1% of white people control everything and their crimes aren't quantifiable because they are hidden. Sometimes they result in hundreds of thousands of bodies. Perspective. I don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black. Even the shootings in a place like Chicago are a byproduct of decisions made by white people. Surely you remember the violence of the prohibition era when alcohol was illegal. The war on drugs is no different. If there wasn't so much money to be made, street gangs wouldn't even be relevant. Young men would have to actually learn how to apply themselves or starve. Respectable men would become desirable again.

You have only years of bad governance by mostly white people and constant bombarding and brainwashing with stereotypes by media companies primarily owned by white people to thank for most of the ignorant behavior you see. Hell, almost all the black people who have any real wealth, power, fame, or status in America are sellouts to some white man's agenda anyway.

None of this absolves anyone from any personal blame for their actions. I'm not saying we should blame whitey for all black societies ills. Some people are assholes. But the conditions necessary to create these crazy mfers we are seeing roaming the streets today were created by outside forces with ill intent and unfortunately most are in a condition they can't be red pilled. Even the ones that think they're woke believe making all white people the enemy is a good idea. When really it's just a tiny minority of white people in power we should ALL be against.

And I know someone will say most of those aren't white people they are really dual citizens of Israeli nationality. But to black people there is no difference.
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Thanks for jumping in the thread with your take, you made some good points and if you don’t get positive responses don’t worry, there’s a reason for that. There are tribal wars now. Liberal V conservatives, blm v police, 2020 is just the worst year!

Just by saying I’m black...wow... it’s as though people want me to take responsibility for others behaviour. No one should unless it’s your own children. I don’t even support BLM so why would I defend their behaviour?

I re read my responses and I have responded with my perception and even agreed with a couple of the OPs points but there is definitely hostility toward black people in this thread.

Please carry on with your thoughts. Lots of people read GLP. I was here for years before I posted even once!
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I think if the body count from all the wars white politicians started to steal people's resources was factored in, the stats you are using would pale in comparison. I guess war crimes and crimes of people in power that are never prosecuted don't count.
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What fucking planet are you on? Since when do crimes of people in power don't count? You're straw manning this shit out of this "discussion" by attempting to inject and argue against an entirely different subject. This discussion is about how destructive black culture is, you got that? You're attempting to deflect away from the fact that Blacks account for over 50% of all violent crime in America, and on a per capita basis, contribute next to zero to society, when compared to whites, Mexicans, Asians and just about every other race on earth. Blacks are an endless economic siphon, and their burning, looting and murder will only continue to increase exponentially as they continue to realize their demands aren't met, and as they realize they don't actually fit into a modern society. This is a a big fucking problem. Black destructive behavior and people attempts to deflect black accountability, needs to end.

I have no problem with white people but sometimes you're so busy pointing the finger you don't see the 3 pointing back at you.
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If you didn't have an issue with whites, you wouldn't bother writing your obnoxious drivel, filled with deflections and whataboutisms. You're also terrible a math. Again, in aggregate, blacks commit far more crime than whites and contribute far less that whites. Those are facts, not opinion. If you actually gave a flying fuck, you would acknowledge that the "Marxist Africanization" of western culture is indeed one the most eminent threats that our nation is currently facing.


Yes, we had Obama. The wealth, the political power, the defense companies, the banks, the media conglomerates, the tech companies......all the things people complain about on this website and that most conspiracies are made of.....involve white people 90 percent of the time.
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Oh, but you don't have a problem with white people, remember? In regards to power, corruption and control (even though again, this thread is about blacks) you know damn well that the people you're referring to are by no means "white". So then why bother bringing this up?

So yeah.....we have a lot of bad apples caught in a cycle of destruction that few will ever escape because regardless of how how much free will they have, that 2% actually controls very little that surrounds them. 1% of white people control everything and their crimes aren't quantifiable because they are hidden. Sometimes they result in hundreds of thousands of bodies. Perspective. I don't think the pot should be calling the kettle black. Even the shootings in a place like Chicago are a byproduct of decisions made by white people. Surely you remember the violence of the prohibition era when alcohol was illegal. The war on drugs is no different. If there wasn't so much money to be made, street gangs wouldn't even be relevant. Young men would have to actually learn how to apply themselves or starve. Respectable men would become desirable again.
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If you're not white, you're clearly a racist, scapegoating, poorly educated, vile piece of shit who fails to grasp what's actually happening here in America. If you're indeed white, then you're still those things, but you're also the poster child of today's useless, indoctrinated youth.

You have only years of bad governance by mostly white people and constant bombarding and brainwashing with stereotypes by media companies primarily owned by white people to thank for most of the ignorant behavior you see. Hell, almost all the black people who have any real wealth, power, fame, or status in America are sellouts to some white man's agenda anyway.
 Quoting: rustyclutch151


It was only a matter of time before your white hating, uneducated brain accused other successful blacks as being coons. The way in which blacks perpetually keep each other down by being obsessed with the "white agenda" is half the problem, and here you are, contributing to the problem.


None of this absolves anyone from any personal blame for their actions. I'm not saying we should blame whitey for all black societies ills. Some people are assholes. But the conditions necessary to create these crazy mfers we are seeing roaming the streets today were created by outside forces with ill intent and unfortunately most are in a condition they can't be red pilled. Even the ones that think they're woke believe making all white people the enemy is a good idea. When really it's just a tiny minority of white people in power we should ALL be against.
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What fucking "conditions" did white people create for blacks? Taking them out from their mud huts in Africa? Giving them affirmative action? Welfare? Handout after handout? Placating to their materialistic, fragile, precious egos? You're probably too obtuse to realize that that by your statement above, you literally just proved a dozen points regarding the issue with blacks not being intellectually capable of integrating with society. It's embarrassing.

And I know someone will say most of those aren't white people they are really dual citizens of Israeli nationality. But to black people there is no difference.
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Finally! The one true and relevant thing you've said yet. Thank you for at least finally acknowledging how fucking dense and blindly racist blacks are.

Now fuck off with your pointless comments, already.
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COMMENT OF THE YEAR!!
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Apparently you just read things and see what you want when you read them.

1.) If you think the crimes of people in power that never go prosecuted are included in those FBI or other crime statistics you are using to make your point, you're smoking crack. All these threads about the deep state, and Hillary, and pedogate. The one idea that binds them all is that the perpetrators largely go unpunished.

2.) I don't support BLM. At all. I agree with the idea that police have become militarized and frequently resort to unnecessary force. I also acknowledge that the application of said force is applied to all races and age groups.

3.) Being successful and black doesn't make you a coon. Being successful because a record company put millions of dollars behind making sure the world sees you play the role of a stereotypical idiot does. Getting rich off of exploiting the ignorance of your own people does make you a coon. Protesting for monuments of Confederate generals to be torn down all while calling yourself a "Democrat" makes you a coon.

I'm not deflecting from anything. I just pointed out that there are plenty of white pieces of shit whose crimes don't make it into your statistics because they are the ones who compile them.

As far as the "conditions" the white man created.......let's start with criminalizing drugs and all the gangs that formed to conduct that illegal trade. Ridiculously long prison sentences for selling someone a product they wanted. All while rapists and kid diddlers were getting slaps on the wrist and reoffending.

I'm not trying to blame white people for bad black behavior. Simply pointing out that whites do in fact contribute to it. All while engaging in their own illicit shenanigans as well. Neither side really has any moral high ground to stand on. However, white people are the ones who have been in control. And most of the shit you're complaining about...from welfare, to affirmative action etc. was implemented by white people. We don't write the laws. We don't decide where the tax money goes. We don't decide which country is getting invaded next. We don't send the country's jobs overseas. We don't print the money and depreciate the dollar.

Just saying man. Get your own house in order before you point fingers. I can acknowledge the problems on my side without getting bitter when it's brought to my attention. You appear to lack that same resolve.
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Someone hijacked the rap culture and made a fortune from record companies.

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Being successful and black doesn't make you a coon. Being successful because a record company put millions of dollars behind making sure the world sees you play the role of a stereotypical idiot does. Getting rich off of exploiting the ignorance of your own people does make you a coon. Protesting for monuments of Confederate generals to be torn down all while calling yourself a "Democrat" makes you a coon.
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Good grief you're obtuse and a liar to boot. The literal definition of what it means to be a "coon" within the black community, is for a black person to become better off by playing by the white man's "agenda". That's precisely what you typed.

I'm not deflecting from anything. I just pointed out that there are plenty of white pieces of shit whose crimes don't make it into your statistics because they are the ones who compile them.
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You're delusional and your hatred for whites is beaming. Although this is a conspiracy site of sorts, this fantasy of yours that a large number of white criminals are "getting away" with raping, murdering and pillaging to the point where it somehow equals black crime, is probably the most asinine thing I have read all day...and that's an accomplishment.

As far as the "conditions" the white man created.......let's start with criminalizing drugs and all the gangs that formed to conduct that illegal trade. Ridiculously long prison sentences for selling someone a product they wanted. All while rapists and kid diddlers were getting slaps on the wrist and reoffending.
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Again, blacks we're living in huts literally made of shit 300 years ago in Africa. Even to this very day, Africans are utterly archaic and barbaric. These are "people" who resort to burning kids alive as a form of punishment. You seriously have zero grounds for the "conditions of blacks" argument.

I'm not trying to blame white people for bad black behavior. Simply pointing out that whites do in fact contribute to it. All while engaging in their own illicit shenanigans as well. Neither side really has any moral high ground to stand on. However, white people are the ones who have been in control. And most of the shit you're complaining about...from welfare, to affirmative action etc. was implemented by white people. We don't write the laws. We don't decide where the tax money goes. We don't decide which country is getting invaded next. We don't send the country's jobs overseas. We don't print the money and depreciate the dollar.
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What mental malfunction plaques you? Read your fucking comments. 90% of everything you type is indeed alluding to how even though blacks are responsible for terrible things, that whites are either directly or indirectly responsible. So again, go fuck yourself. No one is buying your passive aggressive, virtue signaling bullshit here. Black culture is pure shit. Whites and blacks are done discussing this by evidence of the last 6 months of rioting. Whites and blacks need to be segregated and that's happening on both sides as we speak.
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I see a lot of people talking about blacks on this forum. Instead of resorting to the typical hate filled rants about black people, I think it's much more productive to establish the verifiable facts surrounding blacks and their culture, and then go from there. If America is to solve racial issues, we need to start with being honest with one another. We cannot continue to ignore the issues at hand if we truly want to solve them.

The following points below are what I believe are the top dilemmas with blacks and black culture. It goes without saying that these points don't represent all blacks. However, the following points do, in my opinion, represent the majority of blacks. Whether that majority is 51% or 91% is debatable, however, the fact patterns remain very consistent.

1.) They call themselves a name (the "N" word) which they hate being called by whites. It’s counterintuitive. It's illogical. It's disrespectful to themselves and their own ethnicity, yet they continue to do it.

2.) They look up to thugs, murderers, abusers, druggies, and overrated, high paid talentless hacks like Jay-Z. How many blacks look up to Tesla? How many blacks even know who the he was?

3.) They constantly invert truth and blatantly lie about statistics, world history and anthropology. It's not even subtle. You see this all the time on social media and even here on GLP. Blacks who refer to themselves as being "woke" are the normal suspects who resort to this nonsense. Aside from it being just downright embarrassing for their culture, this near mentally challenged way of perceiving reality only emboldens other blacks to participate in the same behavior. It's not a good look and they're just pushing whites (and other races) further away from them. I've literally seen comments from blacks who claim that a black man invented the submarine, or that the first humans on earth were Africans. We need to stop encouraging this madness.

4.) 80% of the Black community is high 80% of the time. A few years ago I delivered food in Atlanta to make ends meet. One day out of boredom I decided to do an experiment. For the entire day I counted how many tips I received from Blacks vs. Whites. I delivered to 7 different black people and 5 different white people. Only 1 black person gave me a $2 tip and 4 whites gave me a total of $24. Out of the 7 blacks, literally 5 of them opened their door that released an overwhelming waft of weed.

5.) Blacks keep each other down and they impose shame anytime another black person experiences any type of conventional success in life. How do they do this? Many ways, ranging from bullying and physical abuse to calling each other "coons." Blacks are literally the only race known to shame success. If a black person went into business and has predominantly black customers, that's usually the one exception where they wouldn't be called a coon. This issue coincides with blacks lacking the desire to improve their own communities. Any time they are confronted with this observation, they once again claim that white people are somehow responsible for their actions, or lack thereof.

6.) Blacks are roughly 14% of today's population in the U.S. and without fail, they commit nearly 50% of all violent crime, every single year. Any time they are confronted with this fact, Blacks will often attempt to claim that the FBI statistics are bogus, and/or that blacks account for a much larger % of the population than 14%, which of course are both blatant fallacies. Similarly to Arabs, the Blacks seem to be genetically and innately violent when compared to other races, but particularly when compared to Caucasians. This can be documented rather clearly when looking at the crime statistics.

7.) Blacks lack the ability to delay gratification and the ability to foresee consequences. There seems to be an instant, knee jerk component with their daily behavior. Whether it be drugs, crime, women, not saving money, there is something going on there that cannot be ignored. If one was so inclined to learn why, just google "the marshmallow experiment". You may need to skip to the third or fourth page page of the results though, since Google doesn't really want you to know what that's all about. This also ties in with what could actually be an entirely new point, which is the fact that blacks are undeniably obsessed with image and materialism. This problem fuels their instant gratification need, which then circles back to crime.

8.) Blacks scream "cultural appropriation" on nearly every facet of a white person's existence. This needs to end, as it's absurd beyond comprehension and is clearly just being used as a channel to hate white people. In fact, if white people actually cared one iota about their own cultural appropriation, blacks would be guilty as charged 100 times over. When Beyonce sews real blonde hair into her scalp, do you see white people screaming cultural appropriation? When a black person walks into a Mexican restaurant do you see Mexicans calling out cultural appropriation? If a black person has an Asian/eastern philosophical tattoo, do you see Asians getting upset? The hypocrisy is staggering.

9.) Blacks (with the help of far left whites) have given themselves "a right to be racist against white people" card, and that card never expires. It allows them to literally get away with murder. It allows them to never be held accountable for the very crimes they are falsely accusing other races of.

10.) Blacks are taught to be racist towards white people before they are able to walk. This is sacred in many black "households", and not teaching this to young black kids is often considered to be a form of betrayal to the black race. I used quotes around the word household since it's typically just the mother who's around. In any event, black mothers are notorious for instilling this kind of "hate whitey" mentality, and it can be exceptionally toxic when it's taught to young black girls, as they typically just carry on the tradition when they become single parent mothers themselves.

There are no doubt many other issues that I could point out. However, I'd argue that the top points above are probably the most destructive attributes of the black race and their culture. I'm open to discuss this further with anyone, regardless of their race.
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The problem is that blacks do not want to have an honest and civil discussion...

Instead they would much rather push all of their failures onto innocent white folks labelling white folks as being oppressive and racist and claiming that this is why they are so susceptible to failure and their failure certainly can't be a result of completely neglecting education aswell as all of them all wanting to be rappers, pro athletes ect... which is one of, if not the most difficult careers to be successful in.



Here is another great example...

(Vid #1)
"Thomas Sowell" Is a highly intelligent man who blacks hate and refer to as an Uncle Tom simply because he is an intellectual and isn't towing the DemonRat agenda.




(Vid #2)

They take their political advice from a moron like Cardi B.

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Being successful and black doesn't make you a coon. Being successful because a record company put millions of dollars behind making sure the world sees you play the role of a stereotypical idiot does. Getting rich off of exploiting the ignorance of your own people does make you a coon. Protesting for monuments of Confederate generals to be torn down all while calling yourself a "Democrat" makes you a coon.
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Good grief you're obtuse and a liar to boot. The literal definition of what it means to be a "coon" within the black community, is for a black person to become better off by playing by the white man's "agenda". That's precisely what you typed.

I'm not deflecting from anything. I just pointed out that there are plenty of white pieces of shit whose crimes don't make it into your statistics because they are the ones who compile them.
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You're delusional and your hatred for whites is beaming. Although this is a conspiracy site of sorts, this fantasy of yours that a large number of white criminals are "getting away" with raping, murdering and pillaging to the point where it somehow equals black crime, is probably the most asinine thing I have read all day...and that's an accomplishment.

As far as the "conditions" the white man created.......let's start with criminalizing drugs and all the gangs that formed to conduct that illegal trade. Ridiculously long prison sentences for selling someone a product they wanted. All while rapists and kid diddlers were getting slaps on the wrist and reoffending.
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Again, blacks we're living in huts literally made of shit 300 years ago in Africa. Even to this very day, Africans are utterly archaic and barbaric. These are "people" who resort to burning kids alive as a form of punishment. You seriously have zero grounds for the "conditions of blacks" argument.

I'm not trying to blame white people for bad black behavior. Simply pointing out that whites do in fact contribute to it. All while engaging in their own illicit shenanigans as well. Neither side really has any moral high ground to stand on. However, white people are the ones who have been in control. And most of the shit you're complaining about...from welfare, to affirmative action etc. was implemented by white people. We don't write the laws. We don't decide where the tax money goes. We don't decide which country is getting invaded next. We don't send the country's jobs overseas. We don't print the money and depreciate the dollar.
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What mental malfunction plaques you? Read your fucking comments. 90% of everything you type is indeed alluding to how even though blacks are responsible for terrible things, that whites are either directly or indirectly responsible. So again, go fuck yourself. No one is buying your passive aggressive, virtue signaling bullshit here. Black culture is pure shit. Whites and blacks are done discussing this by evidence of the last 6 months of rioting. Whites and blacks need to be segregated and that's happening on both sides as we speak.
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the poster is making some very salient points and you are just being an ass.

It has to be acknowledged to have a productive discussion that there is blame to go around. You don't get to just ascribe all the virtue over the centuries to whites and assign all blame to blacks. That is beyond retarded.

African cultures (and many indigenous populations worldwide) were dominated and disrupted greatly by the greed, violence and vastly superior technology of whites. While in some instances the interactions between these races benefited both in varying ways, there are undeniable sinister implications as well. The issues are incredibly complex but it is simply not fair to ignore the many unethical activities of white groups while holding all blacks responsible for every failing of their race's adaptations to cultural realities that were foisted on them by whites. Call it liberal guilt or virtue signalling all you want.

It happens to just be a rational and balanced view of the reality. So too is the viewpoint expressed by the poster that much criminality perpetrated by the dominant racial group is "whitewashed" in various calculations so that it is rather difficult to compare the underlying balance of criminal and unethical behavior in terms that account for the various manifestations of these forces in the many levels and dimensions in which "illegality" defined or undefined causes human suffering and loss.
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If you are as smart as you say you are, why do you keep stating that we are talking about ALL black people?
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I was talking about the ‘narrative’ if you read clearly. That is how it seems that this thread is playing out. It seems that the NARRATIVE is that all black people are somehow degenerate. That is my PERCEPTION of the narrative. Many sentences say black people are this that or the other not SOME black people are that way. I was merely pointing out my perception of the overall narrative throughout this thread. And there are other instances where posters have made clear that difference. I’m talking about overall perception. I’m not sure where I KEEP stating it.

This thread is an eye opener for people with opposing views keep it coming with your input I really don’t think I articulate my perceptions and feelings in a way that others understand and I think that this is good practice. I have amazing cognitive intelligence but communicating what I’m thinking outside of logic is difficult for me because people see things differently sometimes I simplify too much or make it more complicated than it needs to be when it comes to explaining personal opinions rather than scientific interpretation of data. I’m a scientist I try to stay non biased but this seems to be a bit personal and at least I’m trying.
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While I'm sure most of us can appreciate your civil responses, you're typing a hell of a lot of words, but you're not really saying much with those words. What exactly is your counter argument or "perspective" with the fact that blacks do indeed commit 50% of all violent crime in the United States? The conversation really should begin and END there regarding whether there's a "narrative" or not. There's no narrative. That's not an "opposing view". It's just a fact. Instead of sidestepping the point that the black population is greatly over represented in both crime thus terrible lifestyle choices, why not just accept that black culture as it stands, is overwhelmingly destructive for not only their own humanity, but everyone else's?
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I honestly thought I have addressed this in my walls of text. I don’t think I sidestepped anything I tried to discuss each point made in the OP and gave my opinion. I like discussion but it seems that I’m just not good at it because I truly believe I gave as much of my perception of the points made by the original OP. I talked about my experience as a black person and note that I’m not American. I think an American black person might give you more of the black experience that could inform this discussion so I think I should step away from the thread and let them speak for themselves.
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I appreciate your views, the fierceone. I live in a southern city in the US and I have experienced the good , bad and ugly of all that entails. I have seen appalling racism displayed by both blacks and whites and just as much genuine friendship and cooperation between the races. It is very complex the ways things have played out here.

Poverty and poor educational opportunities are to blame for many of the issues that get lumped into the race issues here. There are some definite cultural differences that make friction significant here. Most people just try to get along but there are ignorant agitators and racists at the upper and lower income brackets that refuse to get along or progress. The wealthy isolate themselves from the effects of their policies at the same time they wield exaggerated power in the government, so things get or stay shitty for most and the vast majority are basically powerless to initiate productive policy changes to promote advancement.

These issues are magnified in the south but the dynamics are nationwide and are to blame for much that is wrong here causing significant social decay and strife that we are witnessing play out in flashpoints around the country. The usual suspects are grandstanding, skapegoating and race-baiting so we argue incessantly about minutiae while the big picture gets ignored, as always.
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I agree OP. We'll never get past this without the proper discussion, and that's not happening.

Yet another reason we need to change our current MSM platform. They're terrible.

I also personally agree with all the points you brought up. Seen it, experienced it, been there, done that.
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We will never get to that point of having an honest discussion because the root cause is so taboo and borderline insulting. The root cause of all of those problems the OP highlighted is the envy of the white female and the white man’s ability to procreate more white females.

Black women are envious of white women and other non-black females. This is evident with their obsession with colored contacts, hair extensions and hair coloring. The irony is that they accuse others of cultural appropriation.


Black men are envious of white men and other non-black men. This is evident by their complete abandonment of black women. They can excel in every aspect of society whether it be athletics, entertainment, education, wealth accumulation etc... but they will never be able to create a purely white female. That is why interracial dating is so taboo in their community that having a white female is looked upon as a prize or a trophy.

The so-called “uncomfortable conversations” that Oprah wants to have with the white community is pointless unless they confront these two issues with themselves.
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I agree OP. We'll never get past this without the proper discussion, and that's not happening.

Yet another reason we need to change our current MSM platform. They're terrible.

I also personally agree with all the points you brought up. Seen it, experienced it, been there, done that.
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We will never get to that point of having an honest discussion because the root cause is so taboo and borderline insulting. The root cause of all of those problems the OP highlighted is the envy of the white female and the white man’s ability to procreate more white females.

Black women are envious of white women and other non-black females. This is evident with their obsession with colored contacts, hair extensions and hair coloring. The irony is that they accuse others of cultural appropriation.


Black men are envious of white men and other non-black men. This is evident by their complete abandonment of black women. They can excel in every aspect of society whether it be athletics, entertainment, education, wealth accumulation etc... but they will never be able to create a purely white female. That is why interracial dating is so taboo in their community that having a white female is looked upon as a prize or a trophy.

The so-called “uncomfortable conversations” that Oprah wants to have with the white community is pointless unless they confront these two issues with themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71510575



This is the root cause of their feelings of oppression. It has nothing to do with slavery or institutional racism by whites.

Black females get hysterical when talking about this because they are the true victims of oppression by their own black men!!!!!!!

If black men are forced into positions of power and wealth by subsidies, quotas and other affirmative action programs there is this mistaken belief that they will keep their family unit together and thrive with black females. What they are discovering is that the opposite is true. Once black men attain the trappings of wealth and power, black females are thrown away like trash.

This is the root cause and it is real oppression!!!

As always, white men are the scapegoat.





GLP