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Incredible link! Virus interference.

Study shows evidence that influenza vaccination DOES interfere with coronavirus.


Purpose

Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference....

Conclusions

Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?

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don't do it. Tell her the kids DO NOT NEED it.
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Flu shots mess up anyone's body. They may mess up younger bodies more lastingly.

my husband got a flu shot against his will in a hospital. They said he signed a consent form.

He had been admitted for "change in mental status" - found out to be dehydration.


He turned yellow after the shot. Took about a day. He had jaundice. The hospital said it was a trick of the light.


when he returned to rehab, the therapist asked why he looked so yellow....

as you many know, he died suddenly about six months after that shot. Connected? Who knows? but I think about it.


He did NOT want a flu shot, ever. This was his first.


Anyone pushing your wife to vaccinate the kids is NOT doing her or you a favor.
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Fired two, thanks anyways.
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Flu shots mess up anyone's body. They may mess up younger bodies more lastingly.

my husband got a flu shot against his will in a hospital. They said he signed a consent form.

He had been admitted for "change in mental status" - found out to be dehydration.


He turned yellow after the shot. Took about a day. He had jaundice. The hospital said it was a trick of the light.


when he returned to rehab, the therapist asked why he looked so yellow....

as you many know, he died suddenly about six months after that shot. Connected? Who knows? but I think about it.


He did NOT want a flu shot, ever. This was his first.


Anyone pushing your wife to vaccinate the kids is NOT doing her or you a favor.
 Quoting: beeches


It was the shot.
It was the shot.
It was the shot.

vaccinechiledsca
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Flu shots mess up anyone's body. They may mess up younger bodies more lastingly.

my husband got a flu shot against his will in a hospital. They said he signed a consent form.

He had been admitted for "change in mental status" - found out to be dehydration.


He turned yellow after the shot. Took about a day. He had jaundice. The hospital said it was a trick of the light.


when he returned to rehab, the therapist asked why he looked so yellow....

as you many know, he died suddenly about six months after that shot. Connected? Who knows? but I think about it.


He did NOT want a flu shot, ever. This was his first.


Anyone pushing your wife to vaccinate the kids is NOT doing her or you a favor.
 Quoting: beeches


It was the shot.
It was the shot.
It was the shot.

vaccinechiledsca
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dammit that hurts. Didn't have to be. I hope Zalinksy shows this thread to his wife.

the flu is almost always nothing compared to what vaccines can do.... they kill and make autistic. They impregnate your body with fetal cell soup,


not for us.
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Like fish in a barrel.
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live by fear or live by love
one has only to look for one of above
am I doing rite or right?
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cytokine storm
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No it was something else.

It's the same reason they speculated Wuhan got hit hard initially, because they all had been inoculated recently for a different virus.
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Flu shots mess up anyone's body. They may mess up younger bodies more lastingly.

my husband got a flu shot against his will in a hospital. They said he signed a consent form.

He had been admitted for "change in mental status" - found out to be dehydration.


He turned yellow after the shot. Took about a day. He had jaundice. The hospital said it was a trick of the light.


when he returned to rehab, the therapist asked why he looked so yellow....

as you many know, he died suddenly about six months after that shot. Connected? Who knows? but I think about it.


He did NOT want a flu shot, ever. This was his first.


Anyone pushing your wife to vaccinate the kids is NOT doing her or you a favor.
 Quoting: beeches


It was the shot.
It was the shot.
It was the shot.

vaccinechiledsca
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


dammit that hurts. Didn't have to be. I hope Zalinksy shows this thread to his wife.

the flu is almost always nothing compared to what vaccines can do.... they kill and make autistic. They impregnate your body with fetal cell soup,


not for us.
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Thanks for all this.
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It's why I think all the micro-biologists passed away in decade. You won't be explained or be able to explain it away. Many will hate you and spit on you, like they did Jesus...because they live in fearLand. It's going to be really hard in a couple years. It appears starting now. First three and half years, if going by past, was not in the open. THe last three and half years will be all out inthe open.
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I found it.

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

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Does anyone know if Antibody Dependent Enhancement can happen between viral substances in the flu shot and COVID-19?
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EDIT:

I found what I was looking for:

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]


It's not clear from what I read if the antibodies created by a flu vaccine can have an effect on a coronavirus.

Anyone know?


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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?
 Quoting: Zalinsky




there were posts in january about vaccines for flu interacting with vaccines for other coronaviruses in mice. Some mice would just drop dead, others would have major cytokine storms that killed them
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EDIT:

I found what I was looking for:

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]


It's not clear from what I read if the antibodies created by a flu vaccine can have an effect on a coronavirus.

Anyone know?


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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?
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there were posts in january about vaccines for flu interacting with vaccines for other coronaviruses in mice. Some mice would just drop dead, others would have major cytokine storms that killed them
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I think the study was done in germany or england..could be wrong tho
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The department of defence in America did a study and found that those who had flu shot were protected against the three strains in the flu shot but it made their immune system unable to produce antibodies for other viruses so it leaves the immune system wide open to catching adeno/rhino and coronavirus

A study was also done in children which showed the same thing. It’s called vaccine derived antibody interference

The enhancement one you are referring to is actually to do with previous corona vaccines they’ve attempted to make and somehow it enhances the chances of you getting coronavirus which is why they will find it difficult to actually find a vaccine that works

Don’t do the flu shot it will fuck you up
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If you catch flu naturally however it beefs up the immune system so it can protect against other types of virus like the corona so Personally think you are better off beefing up your immune system with things like vitamin c and let yourself get the flu
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Here n the uk
Push to get all children under 11 to be given the flu jab
all kids under 11 mask free...

Making them the super spreaders to grannies and the public?
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19 years

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Fall Flu
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Here n the uk
Push to get all children under 11 to be given the flu jab
all kids under 11 mask free...

Making them the super spreaders to grannies and the public?
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Yup sounds about right mate
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EDIT:

I found what I was looking for:

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]


It's not clear from what I read if the antibodies created by a flu vaccine can have an effect on a coronavirus.

Anyone know?


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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?
 Quoting: Zalinsky

Antibody Dependant Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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Consider this in the antibody dependent enhancement premise.

Those 65 years and greater are rreccomended to get the high strength (4x antigen load) or adjuvenated influenza vaccination. The reason cited are studies that claim the elderly have a diminished immunologic response to the standard dose influenza vaccination as compared to the high dose versions. A robust 65 year old is given the same presumption of immunologic impotence as an 85 year old nursing home patient.

Are these high potency influenza vaccinations given to those 65 and older with an intact and adequately functioning immune system leading to the over production of the antibody package/immunologic response alleged the antibody enhancement theory?

The group that is receiving these high dose influenza vaccinations seems to be reported as the same group with the greatest catastrophic outcomes to the Coronavirus.

It is agreed that a large number of the over 65 group have significant co morbidities that will put them at risk for very bad outcomes regardless. But, is there a significant number of the 65 plus group with adequate immune systems receiving a one size fits all immunization dosing rationale that is contributing to their bad outcomes with this particular Coronavirus? You know, the senior patient that was described as an being a physically fit and a fully active person but unexpectedly had a rapid demise.

If it is not a big deal, forget not that these high potency influenza immunizations are not recommended to be given routinely in those below 64 years and 364days of age. A Bell curve is great if you are under the center of the bell. Would criteria other than simply age be reasonable if the antibody dependent enhancement proves to be in play? What if insulin was similarily dosed?
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EDIT:

I found what I was looking for:

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]


It's not clear from what I read if the antibodies created by a flu vaccine can have an effect on a coronavirus.

Anyone know?


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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?
 Quoting: Zalinsky

Antibody Dependant Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Saneromeo


VACCINE DERIVED VIRAL INTERFERENCE

the enhancement one is to do with coronavirus vaccines enhancing your chances of catching corona
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Owen Dyer reminds us that we have spent billions on a drug that possibly does more harm than good. (BMJ 2020;368:m626—February 19) The same thing can be said about influenza vaccines.
We hear so much about the vital importance of flu shots that it will come as a nasty surprise to learn that they increase the risk of illness from noninfluenza virus infections such as rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, RS viruses, parainfluenza viruses, adenoviruses, HMP viruses and enteroviruses. This has been shown in at least two studies that have received little attention from public health authorities:

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EDIT:

I found what I was looking for:

Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]


It's not clear from what I read if the antibodies created by a flu vaccine can have an effect on a coronavirus.

Anyone know?


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My wife is getting a lot of pressure to give our kids a flu shot. We never normally do the flu shot, but she is thinking about it now, although I'm saying no.

I remember seeing some scientific phenomenon where if you have a vaccine for one strain of a disease and a related but different strain attacks you, you can have a much more severe reaction than you would with if you didn't have the vaccine at all.

Does anyone know what that's called?
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Your out of your mind. Our bodies are built to fight that crap. They inject the virus in you, so your body builds immunity to it. Those are my words. Obviously not a Doc. There are so many toxic ingredients involved, you would have to be out of your mind to do such a thing. Look it up. You will find plenty of info on it.
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you are a paid member here .. ??? vaccines are a no no no brainer dont do it you know there is an agenda behind it





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