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IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO PREPPER and PEOPLE WHO STOCKPILE COMMERCIAL FOODS FROM COMPANIES | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76799292  United States09/17/2020 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought even in vacuum-sealed and jars you still have to add an oxygen pack, if there's any oxygen it's going to slowly degrade the vitamins and cause rot. [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] |
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MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 12:59 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meowmix- Quoting: Doctor Congo I see that you have bought from several companies. Did any of them make a good product? Or was everything bad? Are you ever going to order more dried food? yes, I have bought from several different companies. The only company I truly feel comfortable with is mountain house which I didn't mention earlier because none of the Mountain House products disappointed me! That is fact. Not all of the products from the other companies were bad. I'm saying a percentage of them were. I can reflect back on the days when I used to receive calls from customers who claimed their foods were bad and we would either refund or replace them depending upon what the customer wanted. But all I can say if someone has spent $1500 on a six month supply of food or a one year supply of food, ALL of that food should count. And if a percentage, whether it be 15% or 75% has gone bad or is so distasteful that it can be, then that customer does not have a six-month or a one-year supply. They can't count on it. it's just a little bit unsettling knowing that I was promoting, selling, and supporting something that a customer in the long-term was going to be disappointed with. |
| Overit
User ID: 79378205 United States09/17/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if anything like this has been posted before but for the last few weeks I have been cleaning out things around here and on those things is my food stash. Mind you, I have been stashing food for about 10 years. I have foods from several different companies. Quoting: MeowMix As a side note let me just throw this in their real quick: I had a three month supply from a company that I received about seven or eight years ago and it had been stashed under my bed. I threw it out. One more sidenote: I used to work for one of the major storable food companies. I used to sell this stuff to customers. Now I feel like I have jilted them. So back to what I was saying, as I began clearing out things I started selling and throwing things out. What really struck me is how much of the food had actually gone "bad". Almost all of the foods from EFoods and My Patriot Supply were bad. What I mean by bad? Let me explain: Upon opening the bag the contents were a bit discolored. Well maybe that's part of the natural aging process and they're still actually edible, so I go to prepare them. Potato soup is gross. Cheesy broccoli and rice, gross. Granola, rancid. Cheesy potato soup was tolerable. Creamy chicken and rice, let's not go there. Tasted like ass. . I mean you can still live on the stuff I guess, but is this really what peole paid for? Weren't we told that these foods would keep for 25 years? I'm calling BS. I mean after all their dehydrated freeze-dried so they're supposed to retain their viability right? I'm going to go dig some more and experiment some more and document some more. I really believed in the products that I was selling to customers. I swear to God I hope that this is not common because if it is I have this crap on my conscience. Please check your own stash, or if you already have and have found out that your foods suck and you had to throw them away or get rid of them, respond and let me know. The companies that I have foods from are: EFoods My Patriot Supply ( think they changed the foods from Patriot Pantry to Ready Hour or something like that.) Wise, who I think is now under Readywise. Emergency Essentials. Food4Patriots Auguson Farms Agreed! My own prepared food is better and will last longer. I have dug into some of the stuff I purchased in 2013 and it taste like shit and I’m sure it would make me sick. I am better off with my food and some good food ration bars. Damn, who did you get ours from, just curious? God hope I didnt sell it to you! Wise and Mountain house. Both were bad and some of the Vac packs were punctured. |
| Terp
User ID: 77001005 United States09/17/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info OP! I bought a pretty big package from Efoods back around 2008. They said it would be good for 10 years. It's been in a shed in high desert central Oregon all this time, so I was hoping it would still be good (the temperature there is near or below refrigerator temp most of the time, and very dry). I've been meaning to test it and actually use if it's still good, just to get rid of it. I didn't have my hopes up before, but now I'm glad you posted this so I won't have any surprises. There are fires all around me right now (I'm in Grants Pass) so I won't be heading over the hill for a while. But I'll bring some of those supplies back with me and check them out - then let you know what I find (if anyone is still interested several months from now, LOL). Cheers . Note: In 2008 I thought for sure I'd be using it within 5 years. Yes, I was watching A. Jones and following GLP at the time, hehe. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79389046 United States09/17/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't oxygen absorbers increase food storage from 3 years to 30 years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76799292 I thought even in vacuum-sealed and jars you still have to add an oxygen pack, if there's any oxygen it's going to slowly degrade the vitamins and cause rot. [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] Protip: Hand warmers are basically "oxygen absorbers". Iron oxide rusts and removes oxygen. |
| not-a-canadian
User ID: 79149214 United States09/17/2020 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plastic is molecularly permeable to air. Anything stored in plastic will oxidize slowly, hence the complaints about fats going rancid by the OP. Storable food that is flushed with nitrogen and has oxygen absorbers and canned in metal won't. I have eaten 20 year old Mountain House/Oregon Freeze Dry #10 canned stuff that still tasted fresh. Quoting: not-a-canadian does that include the triple layer mylar packaging that is so commonly used? The problem with those thick foil bags is that they often aren't properly heat sealed. They really need to be heated up enough to "weld" and melt the seams together. Cheap heat sealers just won't cut it. I've had sugar been able to absorb enough moisture from a weak seal through those bags to become rock hard in a year. |
| Don Draper from Nantucket
User ID: 57553864 United States09/17/2020 01:01 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't know if it's been mentioned but ...storage is key! Preps stored under the bed like OP said theirs were, are not even comparable to a good 60 degree year round basement! PLATA BITCHEZZZZZZ UPGRADE UNAVAILABLE The Rolling Stones said it best... "What's confusing you is the nature of my game" |
| Don Draper from Nantucket
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| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info OP! Quoting: Terp I bought a pretty big package from Efoods back around 2008. They said it would be good for 10 years. It's been in a shed in high desert central Oregon all this time, so I was hoping it would still be good (the temperature there is near or below refrigerator temp most of the time, and very dry). I've been meaning to test it and actually use if it's still good, just to get rid of it. I didn't have my hopes up before, but now I'm glad you posted this so I won't have any surprises. There are fires all around me right now (I'm in Grants Pass) so I won't be heading over the hill for a while. But I'll bring some of those supplies back with me and check them out - then let you know what I find (if anyone is still interested several months from now, LOL). Cheers . Note: In 2008 I thought for sure I'd be using it within 5 years. Yes, I was watching A. Jones and following GLP at the time, hehe. . glad this sparks some inspiration Terp. Yes, get some packages and bring them back. Feel free to dig up this thread. I hope I see it when you do. But I'm going to market in my favorites and leave it there. |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if anything like this has been posted before but for the last few weeks I have been cleaning out things around here and on those things is my food stash. Mind you, I have been stashing food for about 10 years. I have foods from several different companies. Quoting: MeowMix As a side note let me just throw this in their real quick: I had a three month supply from a company that I received about seven or eight years ago and it had been stashed under my bed. I threw it out. One more sidenote: I used to work for one of the major storable food companies. I used to sell this stuff to customers. Now I feel like I have jilted them. So back to what I was saying, as I began clearing out things I started selling and throwing things out. What really struck me is how much of the food had actually gone "bad". Almost all of the foods from EFoods and My Patriot Supply were bad. What I mean by bad? Let me explain: Upon opening the bag the contents were a bit discolored. Well maybe that's part of the natural aging process and they're still actually edible, so I go to prepare them. Potato soup is gross. Cheesy broccoli and rice, gross. Granola, rancid. Cheesy potato soup was tolerable. Creamy chicken and rice, let's not go there. Tasted like ass. . I mean you can still live on the stuff I guess, but is this really what peole paid for? Weren't we told that these foods would keep for 25 years? I'm calling BS. I mean after all their dehydrated freeze-dried so they're supposed to retain their viability right? I'm going to go dig some more and experiment some more and document some more. I really believed in the products that I was selling to customers. I swear to God I hope that this is not common because if it is I have this crap on my conscience. Please check your own stash, or if you already have and have found out that your foods suck and you had to throw them away or get rid of them, respond and let me know. The companies that I have foods from are: EFoods My Patriot Supply ( think they changed the foods from Patriot Pantry to Ready Hour or something like that.) Wise, who I think is now under Readywise. Emergency Essentials. Food4Patriots Auguson Farms Agreed! My own prepared food is better and will last longer. I have dug into some of the stuff I purchased in 2013 and it taste like shit and I’m sure it would make me sick. I am better off with my food and some good food ration bars. Damn, who did you get ours from, just curious? God hope I didnt sell it to you! Wise and Mountain house. Both were bad and some of the Vac packs were punctured. Very surprised about the Mountain House. But I guess it happens in all companies? :-) |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plastic is molecularly permeable to air. Anything stored in plastic will oxidize slowly, hence the complaints about fats going rancid by the OP. Storable food that is flushed with nitrogen and has oxygen absorbers and canned in metal won't. I have eaten 20 year old Mountain House/Oregon Freeze Dry #10 canned stuff that still tasted fresh. Quoting: not-a-canadian does that include the triple layer mylar packaging that is so commonly used? The problem with those thick foil bags is that they often aren't properly heat sealed. They really need to be heated up enough to "weld" and melt the seams together. Cheap heat sealers just won't cut it. I've had sugar been able to absorb enough moisture from a weak seal through those bags to become rock hard in a year. yes, I have seen thousands of instances of exactly what you are describing. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79192270  Netherlands09/17/2020 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if anything like this has been posted before but for the last few weeks I have been cleaning out things around here and on those things is my food stash. Mind you, I have been stashing food for about 10 years. I have foods from several different companies. Quoting: MeowMix As a side note let me just throw this in their real quick: I had a three month supply from a company that I received about seven or eight years ago and it had been stashed under my bed. I threw it out. One more sidenote: I used to work for one of the major storable food companies. I used to sell this stuff to customers. Now I feel like I have jilted them. So back to what I was saying, as I began clearing out things I started selling and throwing things out. What really struck me is how much of the food had actually gone "bad". Almost all of the foods from EFoods and My Patriot Supply were bad. What I mean by bad? Let me explain: Upon opening the bag the contents were a bit discolored. Well maybe that's part of the natural aging process and they're still actually edible, so I go to prepare them. Potato soup is gross. Cheesy broccoli and rice, gross. Granola, rancid. Cheesy potato soup was tolerable. Creamy chicken and rice, let's not go there. Tasted like ass. . I mean you can still live on the stuff I guess, but is this really what peole paid for? Weren't we told that these foods would keep for 25 years? I'm calling BS. I mean after all their dehydrated freeze-dried so they're supposed to retain their viability right? I'm going to go dig some more and experiment some more and document some more. I really believed in the products that I was selling to customers. I swear to God I hope that this is not common because if it is I have this crap on my conscience. Please check your own stash, or if you already have and have found out that your foods suck and you had to throw them away or get rid of them, respond and let me know. The companies that I have foods from are: EFoods My Patriot Supply ( think they changed the foods from Patriot Pantry to Ready Hour or something like that.) Wise, who I think is now under Readywise. Emergency Essentials. Food4Patriots Auguson Farms I HAVE 20 YEAR OLD CANS OF CHILI THAT HAVE OUTLASTED MY "DEHYDRATED" SURVIVAL FOOD SUPPLY. |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't know if it's been mentioned but ...storage is key! Quoting: Don Draper from Nantucket Preps stored under the bed like OP said theirs were, are not even comparable to a good 60 degree year round basement! you do have a point. Even though the temperature in our home is a constant 72° you have an extremely valid point. But only seven or eight years of shelflife? Serious? |
| ZOSIME
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| Billxam, ABATE, AWHA
User ID: 56270897 United States09/17/2020 01:11 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All you need is a vacuum sealer. Seal that shit yourself. Throw in an oxy absorber and those will last a decade or more. And if you can correctly, your canned food will last for years. We've got potato soup I canned in 2012 we still eat. Proud to be UnV'd There is one constant in life: If you build something worth having, someone will try to take it or destroy it. Proud member of A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments, Americans Who Hate Aging, proud supporter of attractive women. |
| Blue State Rebel
User ID: 73724632 United States09/17/2020 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the best things anyone can learn to do is CAN. If you are able to safely can your own foods, you can keep them going....possibly for decades. Canned/jarred in intact jars have been opened decades later and found to be safe and edible. There really are no shortcuts in life. If you want the right thing at the right time you need it....you have to do it yourself. |
| peterpeccary
User ID: 79044425 United States09/17/2020 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You said dehydrated freeze dried....there is a difference.....Real Freeze dried food will keep a long time, matter of fact, Mountain house sez 30yrs+.....regular dehydrtated may not depending on the item..... I'm a long time prepper and have some of their military freeze dried food from the early 80's and they are still fine.....I've added as time goes by....I opened and sampled my stuff in the spring.... the pouches may be compromised by pinholes but the #10 cans are best for long term storage.... |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one more thing, I had several fruit and vegetable packages that are freeze-dried. Inedible. Just plain Inedible. I think I would have eaten the packaging in an emergency before I would have eaten the actual foods inside them. Quoting: MeowMix Don't they have a guarantee for 20 years? I'm not sure but I think a couple of companies have made guarantees. To make a guarantee like that would be stupid. There's no way to prove anything. This is one of the things that these companies face when selling products like this. Foods can be opened, stored however, punctured or whatever and there is really no proof to show that the food went bad or how it went bad. It is very difficult. You can send in videos or photographs but that's about all. As far as I know there is one company that made a solid guarantee but they said a lot of other BS fluffy crap things that needed to get flushed down the toilet as well. They are a disgrace to the food preparedness industry which already suffers enough for obvious reasons. But there is one company out there who is all glitz and glitter and would definitely make promises like that. I'm not mentioning any names here. I think a lot of you already know who I'm talking about. I honestly don't know why I hesitate to see their name? I have nothing to hide. |
| Blue State Rebel
User ID: 73724632 United States09/17/2020 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would recommend to apply KISS. Stock up on staples, raw and uncooked. I don't really want premade stuff made by some for profit company that was sold as "survival food". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79389243 Is the company still around even anymore? And how long was the company in operation? A lot of this prepper stuff being sold is garbage and they don't care because the company will be dissolved before any long term food goes bad. This is true. Instead of making complete meals that you store for long times, make the STAPLES that you can later combine in various ways. |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You said dehydrated freeze dried....there is a difference.....Real Freeze dried food will keep a long time, matter of fact, Mountain house sez 30yrs+.....regular dehydrtated may not depending on the item..... Quoting: peterpeccary I'm a long time prepper and have some of their military freeze dried food from the early 80's and they are still fine.....I've added as time goes by....I opened and sampled my stuff in the spring.... the pouches may be compromised by pinholes but the #10 cans are best for long term storage.... I have freeze-dried fruits and vegetables from one company's fruiMy Houset veggie snack package. The veggies are just plai n gross. Mountain House is top-notch. Last Edited by Puppion on 09/17/2020 01:18 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70317753 United States09/17/2020 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check out www.ThePrepBox.com they send REAL food on a monthly subscription already mylared with an oxygen absorber, spices, recipes , etc. pretty good price at $34.99. Here is the website [link to www.ThePrepBox.com]  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79192270 Netherlands09/17/2020 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I told you I "saw" this all coming, you would not believe me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79389046 So, since dates matter... Thread: Eating a can of 12 year old apples. Thread: Planning ahead. Would you buy this house? I'm not talking canned here, I am talking dehydrated and freeze dried that is supposed to last and it's not. it depends on WHAT CONDITIONS you are storing the food in too. If you are storing freeze dried food in a HOT, WET environment, it's not going to last that long. |
| Sledster the Deplorable
User ID: 78325860 United States09/17/2020 01:18 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have Mountain House mylar packed meals that I have every once in while that were purchased in early 2008 with 2014 "best by" dates. Still as good as the day they were purchased. Only buy quality if you expect it to last. Quoting: Ready Room Same here, Mountain House only for me. Was buying it in 2005 and it is still fine. Freeze dried Mountain House is the way to go for your pantry. Nothing else comes close. I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already! Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79192270 Netherlands09/17/2020 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79383146 United States09/17/2020 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| MeowMix
(OP) User ID: 76973540 United States09/17/2020 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I told you I "saw" this all coming, you would not believe me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79389046 So, since dates matter... Thread: Eating a can of 12 year old apples. Thread: Planning ahead. Would you buy this house? I'm not talking canned here, I am talking dehydrated and freeze dried that is supposed to last and it's not. it depends on WHAT CONDITIONS you are storing the food in too. If you are storing freeze dried food in a HOT, WET environment, it's not going to last that long. I kept mine stored at a constant 72° and in one of the internal closets so it was not exposed to light or heat |
| MeowMix
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| samOmighty
User ID: 75969252 United States09/17/2020 01:21 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one more thing, I had several fruit and vegetable packages that are freeze-dried. Inedible. Just plain Inedible. I think I would have eaten the packaging in an emergency before I would have eaten the actual foods inside them. Quoting: MeowMix You say this now, but most of us have never experienced true hunger. There could potentially come a time where we have no choice but to eat canned dog or cat food. Even dried dog food. Think the stored food you have is inedible? Wait until you try canned cat food. |
| Cap’n Obvious
User ID: 34755319 United States09/17/2020 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all due respect, some of you folks are excellent at doing your own thing. I can appreciate that. But this is not a thread about how to do things. That is not what this thread is about. Please do not derail it and go off topic. Quoting: MeowMix Right now this subject is very important to me. I spent a lot of time counseling people on dehydrated foods, and assuring them that they were getting a quality product. When I check out my own stash I see that I have less than quality foods in my own stash so what does that mean for all of the customers that I have sold food to over the years and that is continually being sold now? What's going to happen to the family out in Utah or Alabama, or Virginia or Louisianan who spent literally thousands on their food supply when they go to open their foods – and see that half of it is crap? I am looking for feedback on customers who have bought COMMERCIAL FOODS. I'm talking about the big companies where they dehydrate and package the foods. You all know what I'm talking about. The foods that were promoted by the big companies that advertised on Glenn Beck, and 1 million other places. I'm talking about THOSE companies and the quality of the foods now. I want to know how many people ended up with crap food after they were promised it would last. We have a shit load of the large cans - would buy by the case and try one as soon as we got it. MOST OF IT TASTES LIKE CRAP FROM DAY ONE. We went through our “hidden” stored foods earlier this year when all this Covid crap started and found several of the Augason farms pails of wheat berries had cracked on the bottom due to expansion - popped the lid on one and it was full of dead bugs. Lost about 100 pounds of wheat berries. Everything else looked and sounded okay when shook and since I have no use for it. However, I no longer include it in my list of emergency foods. Have added pantry space and gone to full rotation. I still freeze the bags of rice and vacuum seal - but keep it readily accessible. Have a nice day = GFY. GFY = Go Fuck Yourself. If this offends you then have a nice day. |
