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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76979674 United States 09/21/2020 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily So it turns out that a newly discovered asteroid, 2020 SO, is not actually an asteroid at all. Its orbit around the sun is curiously similar to Earth's orbit and integrating the orbit backwards shows that it was in Earth orbit back in September 1966. Quoting: Astromut [link to orbitsimulator.com] That was when an Atlas Centaur sent the Surveyor 2 mission to the moon. It was supposed to softly land on the moon's surface, but a problem with a mid course correction sent it slamming into the moon instead. It will enter an unstable orbit around Earth for a few months before it likely drifts off back into solar orbit. [link to orbitsimulator.com] Special thanks to Tony Dunn for this orbit analysis. Well genius, if it crashed into the moon, WTF is it still doing in flying around in space? Edit: Sonic is the Rocket that sent up and not the surveyor itself. Poorly written thread by Astro. Actually it was easily understandable what he said. Don’t blame your misunderstanding of it on him. |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 09/21/2020 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily Will it come back again? Did you try leaving it running until 2074? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72318693 Once we get more data and the orbit is better refined I'll try to run it out over a longer time. It's still very early to look at that far in the future, I'm sure the monte carlo solutions would be a mess. |
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User ID: 79369369 United States 09/21/2020 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily How do you explain satellites? Dumbass I believe in science NOT religion. Giving me bad karma for that, is anti-religious (you're passing judgement) I am just a man. Of no significance. Who found religion to be full of lies, and wrong doing, conflicted teachings I understand microwave communications. I do not stand for the NWO, it sucks. |
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User ID: 79369369 United States 09/21/2020 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily So it turns out that a newly discovered asteroid, 2020 SO, is not actually an asteroid at all. Its orbit around the sun is curiously similar to Earth's orbit and integrating the orbit backwards shows that it was in Earth orbit back in September 1966. Quoting: Astromut [link to orbitsimulator.com] That was when an Atlas Centaur sent the Surveyor 2 mission to the moon. It was supposed to softly land on the moon's surface, but a problem with a mid course correction sent it slamming into the moon instead. It will enter an unstable orbit around Earth for a few months before it likely drifts off back into solar orbit. [link to orbitsimulator.com] Special thanks to Tony Dunn for this orbit analysis. Fantastic. Do you think you'll be able to get a visual on it with your telescope and camera? I'd LOVE to see it. Thank you so much, one for being a great astronomer, and second for being a great mod. Cheers from Red Bluff California. :-) I believe in science NOT religion. Giving me bad karma for that, is anti-religious (you're passing judgement) I am just a man. Of no significance. Who found religion to be full of lies, and wrong doing, conflicted teachings I understand microwave communications. I do not stand for the NWO, it sucks. |
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User ID: 46816444 United States 09/21/2020 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily Proud to be UnV'd There is one constant in life: If you build something worth having, someone will try to take it or destroy it. Proud member of A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments, Americans Who Hate Aging, proud supporter of attractive women. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79402888 Singapore 09/21/2020 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. But what is it doing there? Those old rockets used to fall back into the ocean or something. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79402888 Singapore 09/21/2020 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily I hope there is sufficient resolution to see how pock marked the poor thing must be now after spending all that time in space. Quoting: Doctor Congo No. It will be much too far to resolve as more than a point-like light source at close approach. Too bad. And we won't be able to see if aliens have moved into the Centaur. It might be furnished and even repainted, and we will never know. LOL If they are black, there is probably hoes in it too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79402888 Singapore 09/21/2020 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily So it turns out that a newly discovered asteroid, 2020 SO, is not actually an asteroid at all. Its orbit around the sun is curiously similar to Earth's orbit and integrating the orbit backwards shows that it was in Earth orbit back in September 1966. Quoting: Astromut [link to orbitsimulator.com] How does it work? |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 09/21/2020 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. But what is it doing there? Those old rockets used to fall back into the ocean or something. You do realize that rockets generally have multiple stages, right? The Centaur is the upper stage of the rocket, not the first stage. Atlas back then used to drop off excess engines into the ocean mid-launch, a kind of half-staging to reduce the "dry mass" of the rocket on its way to orbit. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 09/21/2020 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily So it turns out that a newly discovered asteroid, 2020 SO, is not actually an asteroid at all. Its orbit around the sun is curiously similar to Earth's orbit and integrating the orbit backwards shows that it was in Earth orbit back in September 1966. Quoting: Astromut [link to orbitsimulator.com] That was when an Atlas Centaur sent the Surveyor 2 mission to the moon. It was supposed to softly land on the moon's surface, but a problem with a mid course correction sent it slamming into the moon instead. It will enter an unstable orbit around Earth for a few months before it likely drifts off back into solar orbit. [link to orbitsimulator.com] Special thanks to Tony Dunn for this orbit analysis. Fantastic. Do you think you'll be able to get a visual on it with your telescope and camera? I'd LOVE to see it. Thank you so much, one for being a great astronomer, and second for being a great mod. Cheers from Red Bluff California. :-) That's the plan, I should be able to track it and stream it in late November. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79403816 Singapore 09/21/2020 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79204899 FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. But what is it doing there? Those old rockets used to fall back into the ocean or something. You do realize that rockets generally have multiple stages, right? The Centaur is the upper stage of the rocket, not the first stage. Atlas back then used to drop off excess engines into the ocean mid-launch, a kind of half-staging to reduce the "dry mass" of the rocket on its way to orbit. Well I dunno. Did they always have several stages? I seem to remember there were 3 stages with the capsule on top, or is this incorrect? So the Centaur is not the whole rocket in fact, just its last stage? But even so, everything apart from the capsule was supposed to drop into the ocean, wasn't it? |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 09/21/2020 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily ... Quoting: Astromut You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. But what is it doing there? Those old rockets used to fall back into the ocean or something. You do realize that rockets generally have multiple stages, right? The Centaur is the upper stage of the rocket, not the first stage. Atlas back then used to drop off excess engines into the ocean mid-launch, a kind of half-staging to reduce the "dry mass" of the rocket on its way to orbit. Well I dunno. Did they always have several stages? I seem to remember there were 3 stages with the capsule on top, or is this incorrect? So the Centaur is not the whole rocket in fact, just its last stage? But even so, everything apart from the capsule was supposed to drop into the ocean, wasn't it? Well I just described the basics of the Atlas Centaur design. Atlas was the first stage (stage and a half) and Centaur was the upper stage of that rocket. See this diagram: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] The Centaur and payload reached orbit, the Centaur continued past the moon into solar orbit and it's now coming back around by earth over 50 years later. |
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(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/01/2020 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily Just an update, there was an opportunity to track it this past weekend, but when I woke up at 1 am to go do it I found the weather was completely cloudy. I'll have another opportunity in late January, hopefully the weather plays along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78841779 United States 12/01/2020 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. Triggered! |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/01/2020 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily Wrong. Here's another object put into a deep space trajectory by a centaur upper stage: Last Edited by Astromut on 12/01/2020 11:51 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79709397 United States 12/01/2020 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. It all traces back to when it first left Earth in September 1966 and it proves we went a lot farther than the atmosphere, even back then, just as NASA said. I pity you, it must suck to see your entire worldview crumbling before your eyes from such a simple discovery. WHAT YOU CANNOT PROVE IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO THE MOON!!!!!! Your a bald face lied dog soilder! |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/01/2020 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Atlas Centaur that launched Surveyor 2 to the moon in 1966 will return to Earth orbit, temporarily FUNNY THAT WITH A PLANET CRAWLING WITH MYRIAD LIFE FORMS OF EVERY CLASS AND SPECIES THERE ARE RETARDS ONLY INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH LIFEFORMS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE TOO FAR AWAY TO EVER MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AS FUCKED UP AS YOUR BELIEF IN "SPACE". YOU'VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OUT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A HOAX AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER. You're obviously triggered by my thread, screaming in all caps because we have found an old rocket that was launched away from earth more than 50 years ago and has finally come back around the sun and is returning to earth orbit. It all traces back to when it first left Earth in September 1966 and it proves we went a lot farther than the atmosphere, even back then, just as NASA said. I pity you, it must suck to see your entire worldview crumbling before your eyes from such a simple discovery. WHAT YOU CANNOT PROVE IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO THE MOON!!!!!! Your a bald face lied dog soilder! Wrong. [link to pages.astronomy.ua.edu (secure)] |
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