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Anyone remember the "Be" Operating System (BeOS) ??

 
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I had an one speed read only CD player in my
Intel 80386DX 16 MHz processor with a gray ceramic heat spreader.


radio shack had one on sale for 899.00...1990



During the 1990s, CD-ROMs were popularly used to distribute software and data for computers and fifth generation video game consoles. Some CDs, called enhanced CDs, hold both computer data and audio with the latter capable of being played on a CD player, while data (such as software or digital video) is only usable on a computer (such as ISO 9660[1] format PC CD-ROMs).
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I have a funny story about thermal paste and CPUs.. chuckle

I was upgrading from one processor to another and needed to separate the processor and clean it up for a new installation, so to speak...

The thing finally came loose with so much force that the CPU flew out of my hand like a ninja shuriken and firmly embedded itself in the wall!

It was in there a good half-length of the entire package. I pried it from the drywall and spent the next god-knows-how-many long early A.M. hours with tweezers trying to bend at least half of all CPU pins back into a reasonable fashion. Once it managed to fit back in to the socket, everything seemed kosher and I sold it for $100!

ROFL
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Yea I quickly learned to use chip pullers after using fingers and chip rotates on extraction and imbeds itself in hand or fingers. hf
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sure do! i was quite sad when the project was abandoned.

have you been following the haiku project?

[link to www.haiku-os.org (secure)]

What is Haiku?

HAIKU is an open source operating system currently in development. Specifically targeting personal computing, Haiku is a fast, efficient, simple to use, easy to learn, and yet very powerful system for computer users of all levels. Additionally, Haiku offers something over other open source platforms which is quite unique: The project consists of a single team writing everything from the kernel, drivers, userland services, tool kit, and graphics stack to the included desktop applications and preflets. While numerous open source projects are utilized in Haiku, they are integrated seamlessly. This allows Haiku to achieve a level of consistency that provides many conveniences, and is truly enjoyable to use by both end-users and developers alike.
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Absolutely! I use it almost every day now! (It was kind of the reason for the thread :)

I've been following that project for almost its entire conception, and have been quite impressed with everything to date...its almost been 20 years!!!

That project has come a long way, and I'm not even using "good" hardware for any of it...just a few I3 and I5 Dell machines that I literally saved from going into a dumpster (at work.)


I've compiled numerous source packages without much issue, and wow, the fact that DOSBox is so flawless on here, I can't find a better / cheap / free entry back into that world of retro computing if I even tried.


The project is really impressive now...minus "modern" hardware driver support... I never thought I'd be able to browse GLP and play YouTube embeds with Haiku on real hardware... Usually virtualization is the easiest and most compatible method of entry here...
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This thread is RAD!

https://imgur.com/a/nc2mQw2

We're being pecked to death by a duck.
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I installed it as an experiment when I was 16-17 I think. Was very cool, stable and easy to use. Awesome graphical interface.

But in the end there was no software to speak of, and I couldn't play quake. So I went back to windows.
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Oh those are all there now...on Haiku, of course; Doom, Quake, Quake 2, Hexen, everything...except Daikatana! chuckle

I'll have my first experience with Homeworld later tonight :)

That one was popular back in the day.


I've been compiling some of my old projects (like DGen, a Sega Genesis emulator) on Haiku..


dgen

sor2


..as well as the Stella Atari 2600 emulator; and of course I already mentioned DOSBox...
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
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I do. They might come in handy someday!
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sure do! i was quite sad when the project was abandoned.

have you been following the haiku project?

[link to www.haiku-os.org (secure)]

What is Haiku?

HAIKU is an open source operating system currently in development. Specifically targeting personal computing, Haiku is a fast, efficient, simple to use, easy to learn, and yet very powerful system for computer users of all levels. Additionally, Haiku offers something over other open source platforms which is quite unique: The project consists of a single team writing everything from the kernel, drivers, userland services, tool kit, and graphics stack to the included desktop applications and preflets. While numerous open source projects are utilized in Haiku, they are integrated seamlessly. This allows Haiku to achieve a level of consistency that provides many conveniences, and is truly enjoyable to use by both end-users and developers alike.
 Quoting: Anubis


Absolutely! I use it almost every day now! (It was kind of the reason for the thread :)

I've been following that project for almost its entire conception, and have been quite impressed with everything to date...its almost been 20 years!!!

That project has come a long way, and I'm not even using "good" hardware for any of it...just a few I3 and I5 Dell machines that I literally saved from going into a dumpster (at work.)


I've compiled numerous source packages without much issue, and wow, the fact that DOSBox is so flawless on here, I can't find a better / cheap / free entry back into that world of retro computing if I even tried.


The project is really impressive now...minus "modern" hardware driver support... I never thought I'd be able to browse GLP and play YouTube embeds with Haiku on real hardware... Usually virtualization is the easiest and most compatible method of entry here...
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


Really! I looked Be over very closely at that time, but wasn't sure it was secure enough to withstand some challenges I was having then. but I may give it another try.
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I'm highly considering doing a small Twitch screencast on Haiku in the coming days...either that or a straight to YouTube video.

I've been really impressed with how the Haiku project has been coming along, and it's been some 20 years in the making!
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BeOS aside, have the owners of this site ever heard of Responsive Web Design? Seriously, step into the current century.
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maybe i'll give it another try. i installed haiku four years ago but it did not have the option to change the desktop resolution on my laptop.
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sure do! i was quite sad when the project was abandoned.

have you been following the haiku project?

[link to www.haiku-os.org (secure)]

What is Haiku?

HAIKU is an open source operating system currently in development. Specifically targeting personal computing, Haiku is a fast, efficient, simple to use, easy to learn, and yet very powerful system for computer users of all levels. Additionally, Haiku offers something over other open source platforms which is quite unique: The project consists of a single team writing everything from the kernel, drivers, userland services, tool kit, and graphics stack to the included desktop applications and preflets. While numerous open source projects are utilized in Haiku, they are integrated seamlessly. This allows Haiku to achieve a level of consistency that provides many conveniences, and is truly enjoyable to use by both end-users and developers alike.
 Quoting: Anubis


Absolutely! I use it almost every day now! (It was kind of the reason for the thread :)

I've been following that project for almost its entire conception, and have been quite impressed with everything to date...its almost been 20 years!!!

That project has come a long way, and I'm not even using "good" hardware for any of it...just a few I3 and I5 Dell machines that I literally saved from going into a dumpster (at work.)


I've compiled numerous source packages without much issue, and wow, the fact that DOSBox is so flawless on here, I can't find a better / cheap / free entry back into that world of retro computing if I even tried.


The project is really impressive now...minus "modern" hardware driver support... I never thought I'd be able to browse GLP and play YouTube embeds with Haiku on real hardware... Usually virtualization is the easiest and most compatible method of entry here...
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Really! I looked Be over very closely at that time, but wasn't sure it was secure enough to withstand some challenges I was having then. but I may give it another try.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


It's by far no panacea, but what has been accomplished in the last few years has kind of blown me away.

What really needs work is native driver support. There are some rather "failsafe" drivers (like for video) but they aren't active by default without a configuration file change. Holding shift (or space) during bootuo allows for different types of a "safe mode" as well as debugging boot output among other things.

The API that the system revolves around is very beautiful and elegant (and I don't even really like C++) so a competent batch of programmers could really do amazing things here..
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maybe i'll give it another try. i installed haiku four years ago but it did not have the option to change the desktop resolution on my laptop.
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I've installed on a number of different systems over the past few weeks and haven't had issues just using the fail-safe VESA driver. It's even working on widescreen displays.
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This was back around the time of the late '90s as desktop computers were rarely exceeding 200MHz and multiple processors were mostly only found in servers (unless you had $1200 to spend on a single processor!) Multiple-core architectures were still a somewhat distant wet dream for engineers; yet one company stepped up to the plate to realize the coming times.. But this market was not hardware nor was it really "software."


Apple was in the market to find something to replace the ailing Classic MacOS; looking for something fresh going forward into the new decade (post Y2K madness) and Microsoft was literally scared shitless of this operating system and its possible potential. (This is obviously where the real conspiracy begins in this tale...)


Linux was finally no longer a college project / assignment and was starting to gain rapid traction as a server OS, yet with hopes and dreams of delivering an end-user desktop experience devoid of the "standard" and accepted (read: expected) litany of commercial licensing and closed-source nonsense that was ever so present and forced down consumers' throats; much to the chagrin of us all...


It was here that Be realized the need, the market, and the value of a true "media" operating system, literally as the internet itself was unfolding...and in rapid succession at that. This need for a capable operating system was also met with a strict requirement for performance, elegance, and stability among all other things...


truestory

geek
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Yes, I remember it, I think I may have installed a beta version at one point for fun.
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The only relevant OS is TempleOS.
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The only relevant OS is TempleOS.
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I wrote about that one years ago. Terry Davis died not long ago...
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It was cool but there’s a reason these things were binned.
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I happened upon the last minute estate sale of one of the Macintosh consultants/repair people in the area. Back in the day he must have made a ton of money servicing graphics/printing clients.

Literally the entire house and garage was full of old Mac's, from the beginning to the early 2000's. I guess he had cleaned out his office when he retired and moved it all to his residence. Must have been around 100 that I could see, and who knows how many more were buried. It's too bad, a lot of stuff was completely turned into trash from sitting in the Florida heat in his garage for almost 2 decades.

I got a Quadra 700 and 950 working, the ones that don't have leaking capacitor issues because they used tantalums instead of surface mount electrolytics. I couldn't believe how slow they seemed now, even though I used these class of machines back then and they were fast! How did I ever browse the internet on a Mac IIsi? lol.
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I built SI's. They pre-dated the internet. I set up Apple's first (unofficial) website on one.
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Haha, awesome.
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
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Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS.
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Actually, it was CP/M that Gates bought and turned into DOS (if I recall.)
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You could be right, I'm not sure.
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529737

Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS.
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it was IBM's answer to Microsoft Windows
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???

It was long before Windows.
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this thread made me miss netscape
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Now you are mentioning it... Netscape was my first browser. I liked it, it had a nice clean look, if I could I'd prefer using it to Firefox or any other.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529737

Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79409689


Actually, it was CP/M that Gates bought and turned into DOS (if I recall.)
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


Gates did not buy CP/M. He had the creator of CP/M killed and stole it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659

Obviously this was never confirmed as he is still on the loose. Where does this rumor come from he had that guy killed?
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I actually had a ripped copy of it (my dads company had a T3 and he would take me up there to download stuff for our home computer, which he also got black market) It was really cool to mess around with.
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You'll have to rewind a couple decades (if you were even born yet) to appreciate this tech demo of the BeOS on ..almost.. cutting-edge hardware of the time.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]


Having two processors on-the-cheap back then was not something easily attainable. There was a slotted Pentium II riser card that could be soldered/jumped to "restore" hidden symmetric multi-processor functionality which was deliberately sabotaged by Intel (for cost) on consumer-grade chips. I used to run dual 333MHz [overclocked] processors back when everyone else only had a single 166-233 MHz proc... BeOS would have been a godsend on that setup...
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Geezuz we're old.
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Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79409689


Actually, it was CP/M that Gates bought and turned into DOS (if I recall.)
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


Gates did not buy CP/M. He had the creator of CP/M killed and stole it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659

Obviously this was never confirmed as he is still on the loose. Where does this rumor come from he had that guy killed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79409689


Anyone who ever:
1) worked with CP/M
2) worked with Bill Gates/Microserf
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The only relevant OS is TempleOS.
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Never heard of it. Quite interesting what Wiki has, including this. hf

One bundled program, "After Egypt", is a game in which the player travels to a burning bush to use a "high-speed stopwatch". The stopwatch is meant to act as an oracle that generates pseudo-random text, something Davis likened to a Ouija board and glossolalia.[6] An example of generated text follows:

among consigned penally result perverseness checked stated held sensation reasonings skies adversity Dakota lip Suffer approached enact displacing feast Canst pearl doing alms comprehendeth nought[6]
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Yup. I remember that exact same thing. True multi-tasking!
 Quoting: wessonoil


We have Threadripper and Intel Xeon Phi now!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79410400


A multi core processor would be pretty useless if the OS didn't have preemptive multitasking.
 Quoting: wessonoil


This is where they were ahead of the game.

Linux was struggling to go modular in the kernel, GNU pthreads was just emerging, and BSD was experiencing GIANT kernel spinlock Hell...

Microsoft was just developing DirectX (and stifling competition) and still reveling over their included Weezer video with Windows 95...

lmao


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

edit: HO LEE FUKK. It mentions Kenosha, Wisconsin!

damned
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Windows 95 was the OS that acquainted me with the internet...
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this thread made me miss netscape
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Nutscrape and Internet Exploder... chuckle

:toolbars:
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Ah yet... people had no clue in those days, did they...

chuckle

I learned very fast to close all the windows one after the others as fast as they were appearing... I was good at that. I'm sure you remember that particular kind of virus.
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
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I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529737



Have OS/2 disks also. True multitasking when Win 95 came out.

Like WordPerfect and Lotus, and Stacker, Gates just stole other people's ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78883105

How exactly did Gates "steal" OS/2? I read about that but don't know how he did that.
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i think i still got the beos install cd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71895654


I think I have OS/2 install disks somewhere!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77529737

Wow. That's the actual OS Gates took and turned into MS-DOS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79409689


Actually, it was CP/M that Gates bought and turned into DOS (if I recall.)
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


MS-DOS was a different OS called QDOS. Gates didn't write it. He bought it from the guy who wrote it for $20,000 and licensed it to IBM.

The only thing he did do was to get it to run on the PC hardware.

IBM approached the developer of CP/M who refused to sign a contract so IBM signed with Gates instead. At the time Gates was signed, he didn't have a product to deliver to IBM. He pitched the thing on pure vaporware.
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It was cool but there’s a reason these things were binned.
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I happened upon the last minute estate sale of one of the Macintosh consultants/repair people in the area. Back in the day he must have made a ton of money servicing graphics/printing clients.

Literally the entire house and garage was full of old Mac's, from the beginning to the early 2000's. I guess he had cleaned out his office when he retired and moved it all to his residence. Must have been around 100 that I could see, and who knows how many more were buried. It's too bad, a lot of stuff was completely turned into trash from sitting in the Florida heat in his garage for almost 2 decades.

I got a Quadra 700 and 950 working, the ones that don't have leaking capacitor issues because they used tantalums instead of surface mount electrolytics. I couldn't believe how slow they seemed now, even though I used these class of machines back then and they were fast! How did I ever browse the internet on a Mac IIsi? lol.
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The internet was a hell of a lot simpler back then.
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You'll have to rewind a couple decades (if you were even born yet) to appreciate this tech demo of the BeOS on ..almost.. cutting-edge hardware of the time.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]


Having two processors on-the-cheap back then was not something easily attainable. There was a slotted Pentium II riser card that could be soldered/jumped to "restore" hidden symmetric multi-processor functionality which was deliberately sabotaged by Intel (for cost) on consumer-grade chips. I used to run dual 333MHz [overclocked] processors back when everyone else only had a single 166-233 MHz proc... BeOS would have been a godsend on that setup...
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


i still have a couple of pentium 2's 333 and 350 mhs here had a supermicro dual slot board at one point worked on rambus memory.

i 've also got a first edition p90 gold plated that i've owned since new
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71895654


I have almost a shoebox full of AMD 586 and Intel 486 processors. I need a few more and then I can use them as wall tiles behind my stove.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.

Couldn't they be useful for turning into a cluster?
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The only relevant OS is TempleOS.
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I wrote about that one years ago. Terry Davis died not long ago...
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What do you think about Debian/Devuan?
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You'll have to rewind a couple decades (if you were even born yet) to appreciate this tech demo of the BeOS on ..almost.. cutting-edge hardware of the time.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]


Having two processors on-the-cheap back then was not something easily attainable. There was a slotted Pentium II riser card that could be soldered/jumped to "restore" hidden symmetric multi-processor functionality which was deliberately sabotaged by Intel (for cost) on consumer-grade chips. I used to run dual 333MHz [overclocked] processors back when everyone else only had a single 166-233 MHz proc... BeOS would have been a godsend on that setup...
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


i still have a couple of pentium 2's 333 and 350 mhs here had a supermicro dual slot board at one point worked on rambus memory.

i 've also got a first edition p90 gold plated that i've owned since new
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71895654


I have almost a shoebox full of AMD 586 and Intel 486 processors. I need a few more and then I can use them as wall tiles behind my stove.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.

Couldn't they be useful for turning into a cluster?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79409689


BEOWULF!!! chuckle

That was a popular in-joke of the day. Turning everyrhing into a Beowulf cluster...
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