Fueling Up At Home - Make Your Own Bio-Diesel For 50¢ A Gallon | |
fugggg-it User ID: 257467 United States 10/24/2007 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is not feasible PERIOD. This is only feasible in an rea where you are about the only one wanting to do it. Also it is highly dependant on waste vegetable oil fromplaces that make food. Out of that you have to get decent used oil otherwise it takes to much hydroxide to bring the oil back to life. I know fo a guy with a whole plant he wants to sell cause he cant get a large enough decent amount of used oil to power it. I even tried lookign into buying used oil in 8K tanker loads but was told the oil quality could not be guaranteed. So keep on dreaming cause this is not the answer. The dollars dont add up and I aint spending good money to be a tree hugging hippy who pays 4 bucks a gallon for his awful smelling biodeisel. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned. fugggg-it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 108861 United States 10/24/2007 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was on my motorcycle the other day and was behind a Ford F-350 truck with biodiesel stickers on the back bumper and everytime the truck took off it roared like it was straining to accelerate and it smelled like a french fry factory. Made me hungry actually!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 316566 United States 10/24/2007 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Oly,Wash. and our entire city bus system runs on biodiesel several gas stations offer it there is a guy in town who makes over a 1000 gallons a month for 37 cents a gallon , he is the backup supplier for the bus system and said his only downside is the surplus of nitroglycerin that is produced as a by-product out by the coast in Aberdeen, the largest biodiesel refinery in the country is already under way to open up bio-diesel is THE MOST FEESIBLE of all , more so than electric or ethanol by far any of the newer diesel vehicles like a VW tdi or a turbo rail diesel by Jeep have all the power and none of the noise and smell of the older diesels I have an '85 VW diesel, 50 mpg, only time I lose any power is going up and over the cascade mtns, then again its only a 1.6L on I-5 I pass people easily all the time I get almost 700 a tank It seems to be working for me and every other person I know I have not met one person using biodiesel in the last 5 yrs who lamented about a downside you guys who posted otherwise seem to be a minority of >1% |
fugggg-it User ID: 257467 United States 10/24/2007 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | where do you last 2 posters live, the rural south ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316566I'm in Oly,Wash. and our entire city bus system runs on biodiesel several gas stations offer it there is a guy in town who makes over a 1000 gallons a month for 37 cents a gallon , he is the backup supplier for the bus system and said his only downside is the surplus of nitroglycerin that is produced as a by-product out by the coast in Aberdeen, the largest biodiesel refinery in the country is already under way to open up bio-diesel is THE MOST FEESIBLE of all , more so than electric or ethanol by far any of the newer diesel vehicles like a VW tdi or a turbo rail diesel by Jeep have all the power and none of the noise and smell of the older diesels I have an '85 VW diesel, 50 mpg, only time I lose any power is going up and over the cascade mtns, then again its only a 1.6L on I-5 I pass people easily all the time I get almost 700 a tank It seems to be working for me and every other person I know I have not met one person using biodiesel in the last 5 yrs who lamented about a downside you guys who posted otherwise seem to be a minority of >1% The power concerns stated are true of any diesel engine. They do not have the take off power. You can stomp your foot to the floor in a diesel vw or benz and it is sitll slower than gas. Also for mountains I have personal experience using a fully loaded car hauler going up steep mountains. My gasoline 454 jsut powers on past the similar loads on diesel rollbacks. Also as for being in the rural south. that is where I am located. I had a lot of equipment on some land. I needed to do somethign with the equipment and looked at a biodiesel plant. After crunching all the numbers and talkign to the man wiht a fully operational biodiesel plant 40 miles from me, I determined the numbers did not add up. The oil in this region is cooked till its nothing. I looked at buying grease from teh wate yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either. This has led me to believe that biodiesel is only partially feasible in a larger metro area which has a large restaraunt business. Even then you have to have godo quality eating places that dont cook the oil till its dead. This brings in my second thought on the problem that such places are able to charge higher prices for the metro city dwellers who will pay them. In short its a whole different economic scale and circumstances. I truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution. I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere. But I deal in reality and economically this is a fad. Also as the man who owned the plant told me. You cant fight the oil companies. They will win. They beat everybody with the ethanol craze and this will be just the same. Watch and see. fugggg-it |
the Questeon ? User ID: 255024 United States 10/24/2007 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just to point out some contradictions in your argument fuggy "Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned." fugggg-it then another paragraph "truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution. I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere." further "... yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either." but if you are running biodiesel the transportation costs should be low. |
fugggg-it User ID: 257467 United States 10/25/2007 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just to point out some contradictions in your argument fuggy Quoting: the Questeon ? 255024"Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned." fugggg-it then another paragraph "truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution. I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere." further "... yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either." but if you are running biodiesel the transportation costs should be low. The smell can be good like french fries. Take some old worn out oil from a friday night fish fry at your church and get back to me on the smell. Especially if the stuff isnt properly made. I know fo a professor who used some bad oil and the process wasnt exaclty done right. the vehicle woudl run but it smelled awful. As for the transportation costs of the waste yellow grease. this was the cost to get the waste grease to the site of my refinery. By the way the trucking company laughed at me when I suggested I pay them the haul bill with a majro reduction if I offered to give them some good finished product biodiesel to run their trucks on. I hope this clears up my contradictions to you. As I have stated it is not economically possible based on the variable costs for me in my region. I checked into but did not get a full list of the fixed costs. I dont know how many days I wasted on chasing this idea down. If you think it is economically possible for you. Let me know. I will put you in contact with the guy who wants to sell his biodiesel plant. He needs the cash to further his own research into biodiesel through other sources. fugggg-it |
BioDumb User ID: 293892 United States 10/25/2007 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AC 316566 I commend you for your choice to run on Bio. I purchased an 05 Jeep diesel Liberty when they came out a couple years ago. I've done a little research at biodiesel.org and a few other homebrew sites, however I've been reluctant to try on my own as it would have voided the warranty on my Jeep....that and I'm about the most least mechanically inclined person I know of. Now my warranty has expired,I would like to start gathering the necessary equipment to make everything myself. Any suggestions on where to start, or do you perhaps know of someone local that teaches a class similar to the one posted in this article. I don't think I would have a problem making it once I've had instructions. I love Washington, have a few friends that live there and would love an excuse to go visit them. Any suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated As far as my Jeep goes, it's got plenty of power, shifts to part time 4wd on the fly and has gone through anything I have driven through with ease. With that being said, it's been in and out of the shop 8 times (all under warranty) since I've had it. This includes a completely rebuilt transmission at 14,000 miles, 3 recalls and 4 replacements of the EGR valve. It's runnin fine now, but I figure I can't fuck it up to much more then it already has been. I would love to learn how to make my own brew locally, but sadly I live in the depths of LA (Lower Alabama) and half of these inbred hicks haven't the slightest clue what biodiesel is. Leave it up to Bama to be a good decade behind the rest of the country. I imagine in another 10 years they will realize bush was horrible and then regret ever voting for him....twice! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 315245 United States 10/25/2007 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe this "Lyle Rudensey" is the same guy that Mike interviewed in last night's episode of Dirty Jobs, no? Description fits the bill anyway... And this is totally do-able. In my area there are lots of fast-food joints that are already selling their waste fry oil. So there's enough of it to make a market. Question is whether it can be had cheap enough to make reprocessing into biodiesel economically viable. Heck, even at $2.00 a gallon it would be cheaper than the pumps... |
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EricTheAwful
User ID: 296455 United States 10/25/2007 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a 2004 Touareg that runs on a Greasecar system. I'm extremely lucky...I live between 2 soybean oil refiners and am able to purchase their non-consumable RBD oil (RBD is refined, bleached and deodorized, oil). I have little need for filtering unless I'm on long trips...then filtering is really required. Some of the best "used" oil comes from Chinese restaurants...It's not so burned up. And, they are really happy to have you take it to save the expense of disposal. People should look into the Greasecar system (no I'm not selling it). It is simpler than biodiesel (to me, anyway) and IL. illustrious leadership (ahem) is trying like hell to tax homemade biodiesel. As a man begins to live more seriously within: He begins to live more seriously without. |
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fugggg-it User ID: 257467 United States 10/25/2007 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a 2004 Touareg that runs on a Greasecar system. I'm extremely lucky...I live between 2 soybean oil refiners and am able to purchase their non-consumable RBD oil (RBD is refined, bleached and deodorized, oil). I have little need for filtering unless I'm on long trips...then filtering is really required. Quoting: EricTheAwfulSome of the best "used" oil comes from Chinese restaurants...It's not so burned up. And, they are really happy to have you take it to save the expense of disposal. People should look into the Greasecar system (no I'm not selling it). It is simpler than biodiesel (to me, anyway) and IL. illustrious leadership (ahem) is trying like hell to tax homemade biodiesel. Can you give a general location or the names of the places? Also do you know how much of RBD they have on hand per week? fugggg-it |