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Fueling Up At Home - Make Your Own Bio-Diesel For 50¢ A Gallon

 
Howard The Coward
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Fueling Up At Home - Make Your Own Bio-Diesel For 50¢ A Gallon
Good news, 50¢ a gallon would be very nice.


[link to heraldnet.com]




Fueling up at home

Class turns old cooking oil into biodiesel

By Scott Pesznecker

Herald Writer



EVERETT -- As gasoline prices keep rising, Lyle Rudensey laughs all the way to his garage.



That's where Rudensey, a 52-year-old Seattle resident, uses a 15-gallon plastic water tank and an old electric water heater to brew biodiesel for his 2002 Volkswagen station wagon.



After buying all of his supplies, it costs Rudensey about 50 cents per gallon to fuel his vehicle.



"Anybody could do it," said Rudensey, who works as a consultant for people who want to build their own biodiesel processors. "It takes a little bit of effort to get yourself set up, and you've got to overcome your fears of doing a little chemistry."



On Saturday, the biodiesel guru taught others how to make biodiesel during a class at Everett Community College's Applied Technology Training Center. Rudensey, who goes by the nickname "BioLyle," showed his audience of six people how to use industrial biodiesel processors, as well as how to make their own home-brewing system.



Garth Wright, 55, of Everett said he and his son, Dereck, have been researching making biodiesel for a while. They liked what they saw at Rudensey's class.



"I've read a lot about it, but after seeing how to do it, it's easier than I thought it would be after all the text that I read," Wright said.



"We're interested in it, and we probably will do it," he said.



Rudensey, a former researcher with a degree in molecular biology, became interested in making biodiesel while working at the University of Washington. He learned about biodiesel from a coworker's brother, Dan Freeman, owner of Dr. Dan's Alternative Fuelwerks in Ballard. Freeman used to sell biodiesel from the back of a truck at the Mukilteo Farmers Market.



The war in Iraq started about the same time Rudensey was learning about biodiesel.



"I thought, this is the one thing I can do to remove myself from the whole petroleum system," Rudensey said.



People can spend thousands of dollars to buy pre-made biodiesel processors, or they can spend a few hundred dollars to build their own systems, Rudensey said. To make his fuel, Rudensey mixes discarded cooking oil from restaurants with methanol and potassium hydroxide.



He's perfected a system to make 50-gallon batches in five to six days.



"It's pretty easy to make, but it's tricky to do it right every time," Rudensey said. "There are things to be aware of and ways to improve the process."



Freeman said it's "absolutely awesome" that Rudensey is teaching others how to make biodiesel -- even if it may someday lead to fewer customers for his service stations.



"I've been playing with alternative energy and conservation for over 30 years now, and it really does represent reaching those goals," Freeman said. "It might not be more market for me, but if biodiesel is done correctly, it can certainly have a huge environmental and economic advantage."







Reporter Scott Pesznecker: 425-339-3436 or [email protected].
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10/24/2007 07:29 PM
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This is not feasible PERIOD.

This is only feasible in an rea where you are about the only one wanting to do it.

Also it is highly dependant on waste vegetable oil fromplaces that make food.

Out of that you have to get decent used oil otherwise it takes to much hydroxide to bring the oil back to life.

I know fo a guy with a whole plant he wants to sell cause he cant get a large enough decent amount of used oil to power it.

I even tried lookign into buying used oil in 8K tanker loads but was told the oil quality could not be guaranteed.

So keep on dreaming cause this is not the answer.

The dollars dont add up and I aint spending good money to be a tree hugging hippy who pays 4 bucks a gallon for his awful smelling biodeisel.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned.

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10/24/2007 07:47 PM
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I was on my motorcycle the other day and was behind a Ford F-350 truck with biodiesel stickers on the back bumper and everytime the truck took off it roared like it was straining to accelerate and it smelled like a french fry factory. Made me hungry actually!!!
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10/24/2007 10:21 PM
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where do you last 2 posters live, the rural south ?

I'm in Oly,Wash. and our entire city bus system runs on biodiesel

several gas stations offer it

there is a guy in town who makes over a 1000 gallons a month for 37 cents a gallon , he is the backup supplier for the bus system
and said his only downside is the surplus of nitroglycerin that is produced as a by-product

out by the coast in Aberdeen, the largest biodiesel refinery in the country is already under way to open up

bio-diesel is THE MOST FEESIBLE of all , more so than electric or ethanol by far

any of the newer diesel vehicles like a VW tdi or a turbo rail diesel by Jeep have all the power and none of the noise and smell of the older diesels

I have an '85 VW diesel, 50 mpg, only time I lose any power is going up and over the cascade mtns, then again its only a 1.6L
on I-5 I pass people easily all the time
I get almost 700 a tank

It seems to be working for me and every other person I know
I have not met one person using biodiesel in the last 5 yrs
who lamented about a downside

you guys who posted otherwise seem to be a minority of >1%
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where do you last 2 posters live, the rural south ?

I'm in Oly,Wash. and our entire city bus system runs on biodiesel

several gas stations offer it

there is a guy in town who makes over a 1000 gallons a month for 37 cents a gallon , he is the backup supplier for the bus system
and said his only downside is the surplus of nitroglycerin that is produced as a by-product

out by the coast in Aberdeen, the largest biodiesel refinery in the country is already under way to open up

bio-diesel is THE MOST FEESIBLE of all , more so than electric or ethanol by far

any of the newer diesel vehicles like a VW tdi or a turbo rail diesel by Jeep have all the power and none of the noise and smell of the older diesels

I have an '85 VW diesel, 50 mpg, only time I lose any power is going up and over the cascade mtns, then again its only a 1.6L
on I-5 I pass people easily all the time
I get almost 700 a tank

It seems to be working for me and every other person I know
I have not met one person using biodiesel in the last 5 yrs
who lamented about a downside

you guys who posted otherwise seem to be a minority of >1%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316566


The power concerns stated are true of any diesel engine. They do not have the take off power. You can stomp your foot to the floor in a diesel vw or benz and it is sitll slower than gas. Also for mountains I have personal experience using a fully loaded car hauler going up steep mountains. My gasoline 454 jsut powers on past the similar loads on diesel rollbacks.

Also as for being in the rural south. that is where I am located.

I had a lot of equipment on some land. I needed to do somethign with the equipment and looked at a biodiesel plant. After crunching all the numbers and talkign to the man wiht a fully operational biodiesel plant 40 miles from me, I determined the numbers did not add up. The oil in this region is cooked till its nothing. I looked at buying grease from teh wate yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either.

This has led me to believe that biodiesel is only partially feasible in a larger metro area which has a large restaraunt business. Even then you have to have godo quality eating places that dont cook the oil till its dead. This brings in my second thought on the problem that such places are able to charge higher prices for the metro city dwellers who will pay them.

In short its a whole different economic scale and circumstances.

I truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution. I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere. But I deal in reality and economically this is a fad.

Also as the man who owned the plant told me. You cant fight the oil companies. They will win. They beat everybody with the ethanol craze and this will be just the same. Watch and see.

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10/24/2007 11:42 PM
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just to point out some contradictions in your argument fuggy


"Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned."

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then another paragraph

"truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution.

I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere."



further

"... yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either."






but if you are running biodiesel the transportation costs should be low.
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just to point out some contradictions in your argument fuggy


"Oh yeah I forgot to mention the stuff stinks to high heaven when its burned."

fugggg-it


then another paragraph

"truely wish biodiesel was a feasible solution.

I truely wish we could all have that french fry smell coming out of our cars everywhere."



further

"... yellow grease market but after transportation cost it was not feasible either."






but if you are running biodiesel the transportation costs should be low.
 Quoting: the Questeon ? 255024


The smell can be good like french fries. Take some old worn out oil from a friday night fish fry at your church and get back to me on the smell. Especially if the stuff isnt properly made. I know fo a professor who used some bad oil and the process wasnt exaclty done right. the vehicle woudl run but it smelled awful.

As for the transportation costs of the waste yellow grease. this was the cost to get the waste grease to the site of my refinery. By the way the trucking company laughed at me when I suggested I pay them the haul bill with a majro reduction if I offered to give them some good finished product biodiesel to run their trucks on.

I hope this clears up my contradictions to you. As I have stated it is not economically possible based on the variable costs for me in my region. I checked into but did not get a full list of the fixed costs. I dont know how many days I wasted on chasing this idea down.

If you think it is economically possible for you. Let me know. I will put you in contact with the guy who wants to sell his biodiesel plant. He needs the cash to further his own research into biodiesel through other sources.

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AC 316566 I commend you for your choice to run on Bio. I purchased an 05 Jeep diesel Liberty when they came out a couple years ago. I've done a little research at biodiesel.org and a few other homebrew sites, however I've been reluctant to try on my own as it would have voided the warranty on my Jeep....that and I'm about the most least mechanically inclined person I know of.

Now my warranty has expired,I would like to start gathering the necessary equipment to make everything myself. Any suggestions on where to start, or do you perhaps know of someone local that teaches a class similar to the one posted in this article. I don't think I would have a problem making it once I've had instructions.

I love Washington, have a few friends that live there and would love an excuse to go visit them. Any suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated

As far as my Jeep goes, it's got plenty of power, shifts to part time 4wd on the fly and has gone through anything I have driven through with ease. With that being said, it's been in and out of the shop 8 times (all under warranty) since I've had it. This includes a completely rebuilt transmission at 14,000 miles, 3 recalls and 4 replacements of the EGR valve. It's runnin fine now, but I figure I can't fuck it up to much more then it already has been.

I would love to learn how to make my own brew locally, but sadly I live in the depths of LA (Lower Alabama) and half of these inbred hicks haven't the slightest clue what biodiesel is. Leave it up to Bama to be a good decade behind the rest of the country. I imagine in another 10 years they will realize bush was horrible and then regret ever voting for him....twice!
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I believe this "Lyle Rudensey" is the same guy that Mike interviewed in last night's episode of Dirty Jobs, no? Description fits the bill anyway...

And this is totally do-able. In my area there are lots of fast-food joints that are already selling their waste fry oil. So there's enough of it to make a market. Question is whether it can be had cheap enough to make reprocessing into biodiesel economically viable. Heck, even at $2.00 a gallon it would be cheaper than the pumps...
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P.S. Lye is cheap. Can even be made the old fashioned way - from wood ashes and water...
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I have a 2004 Touareg that runs on a Greasecar system. I'm extremely lucky...I live between 2 soybean oil refiners and am able to purchase their non-consumable RBD oil (RBD is refined, bleached and deodorized, oil). I have little need for filtering unless I'm on long trips...then filtering is really required.

Some of the best "used" oil comes from Chinese restaurants...It's not so burned up. And, they are really happy to have you take it to save the expense of disposal.

People should look into the Greasecar system (no I'm not selling it). It is simpler than biodiesel (to me, anyway) and IL. illustrious leadership (ahem) is trying like hell to tax homemade biodiesel.
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Sounds interesting.
I've head of the feds raiding imposing per gallon tax.
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I have a 2004 Touareg that runs on a Greasecar system. I'm extremely lucky...I live between 2 soybean oil refiners and am able to purchase their non-consumable RBD oil (RBD is refined, bleached and deodorized, oil). I have little need for filtering unless I'm on long trips...then filtering is really required.

Some of the best "used" oil comes from Chinese restaurants...It's not so burned up. And, they are really happy to have you take it to save the expense of disposal.

People should look into the Greasecar system (no I'm not selling it). It is simpler than biodiesel (to me, anyway) and IL. illustrious leadership (ahem) is trying like hell to tax homemade biodiesel.
 Quoting: EricTheAwful


Can you give a general location or the names of the places? Also do you know how much of RBD they have on hand per week?

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