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ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight

 
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ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
Also going after the Q Honey Badger AR pistol


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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
they can only make suggestions like pants, they have no actual authority to make mandates or laws. prove me wrong
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
Part of the letter from the ATF

On August 3rd, 2020, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) issued Q® a formal Cease & Desist letter, notifying us that ATF has taken the position that the Q Honey Badger Pistol is a short-barreled rifle (“SBR”) regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”). In response, Q has ceased all production of the Honey Badger Pistol, and submitted a comprehensive letter to ATF and the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) stating why we disagree with this classification[1]


The shitty part is this could have ramifications on all AR and AK type pistols. How many millions are already out there and how many people will become felons without even knowing it for possession of an SBR without the tax stamp.
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
the atf is an enforcement agency with no constitutional authority to ban or restrict anything
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
now go sit in the corner
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
the atf is an enforcement agency with no constitutional authority to ban or restrict anything
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Great! So can I buy bump stocks?
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
was a bill passed and signed by the president?
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im gonna declare all firearms are explosive devices when their primer ignites their powder in the case, they are all banned now. seems legal
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
so is the internal combustion engine, very dangerous
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
how does that old saying go, Ex post facto law are illegal
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
was a bill passed and signed by the president?
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I get what you are saying. So far the courts haven't declared the bumpbstock ban illegal as far as I know they are still unavailable. It will take the courts to over rule the ATF or some kind of reversal of the ATF opinion. For now, this specific company has been issued a cease and desist order from the atf. They are complying. I hope they win the argument but you saying its an illegal order just means you end up in jail if you go against it and hope the courts save your butt.

I'm pro 2A. Have some
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
was a bill passed and signed by the president?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79181383


I get what you are saying. So far the courts haven't declared the bumpbstock ban illegal as far as I know they are still unavailable. It will take the courts to over rule the ATF or some kind of reversal of the ATF opinion. For now, this specific company has been issued a cease and desist order from the atf. They are complying. I hope they win the argument but you saying its an illegal order just means you end up in jail if you go against it and hope the courts save your butt.

I'm pro 2A. Have some similar pistols and don't want to see them become illegal
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
The Honeybadger is an integrally suppressed AR pistol.

I think that is why the ATF is saying it’s a SBR.

I believe there is only one handgun/pistol that is integrally suppressed, the Maxim.

That’s the problem the ATF glommed on to.

They need to be disbanded.
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
The Honeybadger is an integrally suppressed AR pistol.

I think that is why the ATF is saying it’s a SBR.

I believe there is only one handgun/pistol that is integrally suppressed, the Maxim.

That’s the problem the ATF glommed on to.

They need to be disbanded.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


I don't think its suppressed. Nothing on the Q website about that.
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
now go sit in the corner
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Re: ATF declares Q's AR15 pistol to be an SBR...potential for millions to become felons overnight
ATF are Tyrants

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