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Mollie Tibbetts Murder Trial: Jury finds Illegal Mexican GUILTY of First Degree Murder

 
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== Bahena-Rivera found GUILTY! ===


LIFE IN PRISON WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE


The jury did not buy the bullshit "kidnappers" story, finds justice for Mollie!


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I don't know how many of you remember the disappearance and murder of 20 year old Mollie Tibbetts, but the man who has been charged with her murder, Cristhian Bahena Rivera, will finally have his day in court on January 26, 2021.

Who is Cristhian Bahena Rivera, and why was he charged with Mollie's murder?

Well, he's an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Who admitted to killing her. Who led investigators to the desolate cornfield where he hastily covered her body with straw. And gave police permission to search the trunk of his car, where her hair and blood were found.

He (allegedly) stabbed her multiple times in the chest and skull, placed her in the trunk of his car, drove to 460th Avenue in rural Poweshiek County, Iowa, then went back home.

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When investigators asked him why he did all this, he said he became upset when, after following her in his car when she was out running in her hometown, she spurned his advances.

He said he then "blocked [his] memory", because he was so furious at being turned down by the girl. Then he killed her, and dumped her body in a cornfield.

His defense team tried to argue that his confession should be thrown out, because he was an illegal Mexican and didn't understand his Miranda rights; and that even if he understood them, they weren't properly given; and that even if they were properly given, he should have contacted a lawyer.

Judge Joel Yates ruled that some of the confession would not be admissible in court, but largely agreed with the state, ruling that:

"Bahena Rivera did consent to the search of his car, that his statements were made voluntarily despite his claims of sleep-deprivation and lengthy interrogation and that law enforcement did not use language likely to induce a false confession," court records show.

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So. Where does that leave us?

With a trial set to begin at the end of January 2021, roughly three months from today.

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This thread shall be dedicated to following the progress of the State of Iowa vs. Cristhian Bahena Rivera, for the murder of Mollie Tibbetts.

Any opinions or comments are welcome, especially if they have a legal perspective or the poster has a background in criminal law.

Of course in America, all defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law.

But on a personal level, I hope this "man" -- who admitted to killing her -- will not walk free when this trial is over. I pray to God that the prosecution makes a strong case and that the good people of Iowa will find it in their hearts to uphold the good name and honor the brief, beautiful life of Mollie Tibbetts.

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This girls parents are looney tunes.
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This girls parents are looney tunes.
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This girls parents are looney tunes.
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Well, it would be interesting if they testify during the trial, if not at the victim impact statement portion.

What would they say? That the person who killed their daughter should get leniency?

That would be weird, because he's facing life in prison, not the death penalty.

Based on their public pleas for forgiveness of Bahena Rivera, I'm not sure if I were the prosecutor, I would put them on trial. (Maybe the defense attorneys would consider it...)
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My big worry is that "enlightened" jurors will try to make a political statement by acquitting Bahena Rivera, to make up for the perceived "wrongs" our society has done to illegal immigrants, or people of color.

My other concern is that somehow the prosecution will screw things up. I don't know how, maybe something procedural.

But if we get an honest, thoughtful, and conscientious jury and a competent and meticulous prosecution, I don't see how twelve rational people wouldn't end up convicting him.
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Let's say the defense lawyers don't put him on the stand. I don't think they would, he could only make things worse for himself.

What can the defense even be? That Mollie provoked him into a murderous rage? I'm sorry, but there is NO excuse for murdering somebody. Killing in self defense, maybe, but Bahena Rivera was the one with the murder weapon and Mollie Tibbetts was running with her iPod. I find it absolutely inconceivable she could have been considered a threat to his life, to use the justifiable homicide defense.

But I wouldn't put it past the defense team to argue that her "white privilege" was somehow to blame, for enraging him. Depending on the jury pool, that could potentially have some play. It's disgusting, but consider the society we live in.

I suspect the defense will try to make it seem like all the forensic evidence is misleading (ha!) and that it is "possible" that someone other than the defendant stabbed Mollie multiple times in the skull and chest with a sharp object.

So the question is, how can the Prosecution present the case beyond reasonable doubt?
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Go ahead, dude. Keep smiling and smirking.

See if that garners you any goodwill from the jury. By the way, nice haircut. Brings me back to 1990 when New Kids On the Block made it fashionable. Back when Iowa still had the death penalty.




93 days and counting until your trial....
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Used to be a time when we would want him released.
But we have no men left in this country now.
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Go ahead, dude. Keep smiling and smirking.

See if that garners you any goodwill from the jury. By the way, nice haircut. Brings me back to 1990 when New Kids On the Block made it fashionable. Back when Iowa still had the death penalty.




93 days and counting until your trial....
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After that, I'm wondering if the victims parents are "Whack-Jobs" out of mind-numbing, ass-puckering fear of the Satanists, and other degenerates.
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Used to be a time when we would want him released.
But we have no men left in this country now.
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All we need is twelve people with a conscience and a brain.

And a prosecution team who doesn't screw it up.
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Used to be a time when we would want him released.
But we have no men left in this country now.
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All we need is twelve people with a conscience and a brain.

And a prosecution team who doesn't screw it up.
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Call it nostalgia, but I miss the days of four men and a pipe wrench.
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Go ahead, dude. Keep smiling and smirking.

See if that garners you any goodwill from the jury. By the way, nice haircut. Brings me back to 1990 when New Kids On the Block made it fashionable. Back when Iowa still had the death penalty.




93 days and counting until your trial....
 Quoting: Wharf Rat



After that, I'm wondering if the victims parents are "Whack-Jobs" out of mind-numbing, ass-puckering fear of the Satanists, and other degenerates.
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I don't think Mollie's parents are motivated by fear or retribution.

The mother, however, may actually suffer from mental illness:

Washington Post: Mollie Tibbetts' mother took in the son of Mexican immigrants who worked with murder suspect...

Full story:

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Used to be a time when we would want him released.
But we have no men left in this country now.
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All we need is twelve people with a conscience and a brain.

And a prosecution team who doesn't screw it up.
 Quoting: Wharf Rat


Call it nostalgia, but I miss the days of four men and a pipe wrench.
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If the State of Iowa can secure a conviction, that would be enough for me. The prison system has a way of handling things internally.
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Go ahead, dude. Keep smiling and smirking.

See if that garners you any goodwill from the jury. By the way, nice haircut. Brings me back to 1990 when New Kids On the Block made it fashionable. Back when Iowa still had the death penalty.




93 days and counting until your trial....
 Quoting: Wharf Rat



After that, I'm wondering if the victims parents are "Whack-Jobs" out of mind-numbing, ass-puckering fear of the Satanists, and other degenerates.
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I don't think Mollie's parents are motivated by fear or retribution.

The mother, however, may actually suffer from mental illness:

Washington Post: Mollie Tibbetts' mother took in the son of Mexican immigrants who worked with murder suspect...


I have observed that some of these apparent degenerates may be suffering from Munchausen Syndrome, or Munchausen by proxy.

They are clearly sick, and when left without treatment, can do incredible damage, as they victimize those people around them.

Full story:

[link to www.desmoinesregister.com (secure)]
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Go ahead, dude. Keep smiling and smirking.

See if that garners you any goodwill from the jury. By the way, nice haircut. Brings me back to 1990 when New Kids On the Block made it fashionable. Back when Iowa still had the death penalty.




93 days and counting until your trial....
 Quoting: Wharf Rat



After that, I'm wondering if the victims parents are "Whack-Jobs" out of mind-numbing, ass-puckering fear of the Satanists, and other degenerates.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79521833


I don't think Mollie's parents are motivated by fear or retribution.

The mother, however, may actually suffer from mental illness:

Washington Post: Mollie Tibbetts' mother took in the son of Mexican immigrants who worked with murder suspect...

Full story:

[link to www.desmoinesregister.com (secure)]

 Quoting: Wharf Rat

I have observed that some of these apparent degenerates may be suffering from Munchausen Syndrome, or Munchausen by proxy.

They are clearly sick, and when left without treatment, can do incredible damage, as they victimize those people around them.

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I'm familiar with Munchausen's by proxy Syndrome. Usually the parents try to milk the sympathy for as long as they can. Make their children/spouses sick, keep them sick, in order to gain sympathy.

I don't think Mollie Tibbetts' mother orchestrated the killing of her daughter, if that's what you mean.

And I seriously doubt that her adopting the son of illegal immigrants who worked with her daughter's killer would get her any sympathy, if that was her (subconscious) desire.

Something like that is too disgusting to make anybody feel sorry for the mom...
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For those who don't remember...

Rest in Peace, Mollie

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Latest update: Trial Pushed Back due to 'Rona

The pre-trial hearing, originally scheduled for Jan 12 2021, is now set for April 14. The trial itself, previously scheduled for Jan 25 2021 will now begin on May 17 in Scott County

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Update: Feb 18

Bahena Rivera's attorneys secretly issued a subpoena to a Des Moines bank for information about Mollie Tibbetts' bank records, violating rules requiring notification of the court and other parties.

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Video of Mollie from the day before she was murdered:


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Young women don’t get any justice in our society when they’re killed. So many stories in the true crime groups about young women who turn up dead, and everyone knows who did it, but either the guy is never charged, or he gets convicted and only serves a little time. It’s disgusting.

This guy did it. He led police to the body and had her blood and hair in his trunk. He’s a monster, and yet he will keep his life and probably be okay in prison if he doesn’t get released. If he gets released he’ll do it again. Nobody has any balls in these sick times.
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Young women don’t get any justice in our society when they’re killed. So many stories in the true crime groups about young women who turn up dead, and everyone knows who did it, but either the guy is never charged, or he gets convicted and only serves a little time. It’s disgusting.

This guy did it. He led police to the body and had her blood and hair in his trunk. He’s a monster, and yet he will keep his life and probably be okay in prison if he doesn’t get released. If he gets released he’ll do it again. Nobody has any balls in these sick times.
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I agree 1000%.

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I remember when she was missing. I'm always interested to see who done it! How sad. The bastard illegal immigrant should be hung.

How many liberals were outraged when President Trump said that some criminals were coming over the border? Well...Biden is welcoming them in again.

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if your brother was poisoned and comitted the murders,would he be guilty?
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Young women don’t get any justice in our society when they’re killed. So many stories in the true crime groups about young women who turn up dead, and everyone knows who did it, but either the guy is never charged, or he gets convicted and only serves a little time. It’s disgusting.

This guy did it. He led police to the body and had her blood and hair in his trunk. He’s a monster, and yet he will keep his life and probably be okay in prison if he doesn’t get released. If he gets released he’ll do it again. Nobody has any balls in these sick times.
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I think the appropriate punishment for this murderer would be to be run over by a steam roller, starting from the feet and moving to the head. At high noon in full public view.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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I remember when she was missing. I'm always interested to see who done it! How sad. The bastard illegal immigrant should be hung.

How many liberals were outraged when President Trump said that some criminals were coming over the border? Well...Biden is welcoming them in again.
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wellsaidrichardpryor

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Young women don’t get any justice in our society when they’re killed. So many stories in the true crime groups about young women who turn up dead, and everyone knows who did it, but either the guy is never charged, or he gets convicted and only serves a little time. It’s disgusting.

This guy did it. He led police to the body and had her blood and hair in his trunk. He’s a monster, and yet he will keep his life and probably be okay in prison if he doesn’t get released. If he gets released he’ll do it again. Nobody has any balls in these sick times.
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I think the appropriate punishment for this murderer would be to be run over by a steam roller, starting from the feet and moving to the head. At high noon in full public view.
 Quoting: Pilgrim001


I know I should wait for the actual trial -- and inevitable sentencing -- but I'm really starting to wonder about whether life in prison or capital punishment is more suitable for these kinds of heinous crimes.

My gut reaction was a lot like yours, Pilgrim001, but the more I think about it, maybe spending the next 60-100 years in solitary confinement might be better. But I really don't know.

I don't want to count my chickens... the trial hasn't even started yet.

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That's the thing about rights.
You do have the right until you give it away.
The police informed him.
He voluntarily gave up his right to remain silent.
He was asked a question and talked.
I imagine he knew they had enough evidence.




(Look at the wording of defense lol)
"Even if properly given"
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That's the thing about rights.
You do have the right until you give it away.
The police informed him.
He voluntarily gave up his right to remain silent.
He was asked a question and talked.

I imagine he knew they had enough evidence.


(Look at the wording of defense lol)
"Even if properly given"
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Five stars, AC!

I'm super curious how the defense team is going to try and defend this homicidal maniac. They are going to have a hard time brushing aside the confession and the forensic evidence--- HE LED THEM TO THE BODY! HE HAD HER BLOOD AND HAIR IN HIS CAR!.... All of which means.... (sigh)... they will probably try to impugn the officers themselves, i.e., dig up dirt from their past like the cop on the OJ case who used the N-word back in the 70's.

"They're racists!"

Also, anybody besides me wondering why the defense team was trying to access Mollie's bank records? What possible "evidence" or relevance could that have on the case?

I expect the defense to do their share of victim blaming ("Mollie was racist!"), because the evidence that Bahena-Rivera was the killer is indisputable.

The defense's only hope is to illicit sympathy from one of the twelve jurors... So I'm praying for a honest jury.

I also pray for the state prosecutors, to give them patience and vision, and to avoid making any procedural mistakes which could result in... No, I'm not even going to say it. No jinxes.

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Will Bahena-Rivera get off on a technicality over the Miranda warnings?


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Deputy describing exactly how the killer lead police to Mollie's body:


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Update: March 16

A "trial management conference" is scheduled for today, to discuss between the lawyers and the judge the format of the criminal trial in May.

Subjects will include: Legal precedents (cited law) the defense team will use in their defense of Bahena-Rivera, who already admitted to harassing Mollie Tibbetts and then hiding her body in the cornfield, as well as the list of witnesses each side will call, and how long they expect each phase of the trial to take.

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In other words, ladies and gentlemen, IT'S ON

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