Article: Why are so many Grateful Dead fans being murdered?

Riiiight, that's what I remember reading. They had called themselves The Warlocks back in '65, before they changed it to the Grateful Dead.

I think they were trying to test out some new material/warm up for another pending tour, and the only venue they could book was a smaller one, and as long as they didn't use the GD name....

But, of course, some sleuths figured it out pretty quick and things got out of control...


Would you say, looking back, the use of tear gas was appropriate? You mentioned a near-stampede...

According to the band, they got "too famous" after Touch of Grey became a hit single. After that, they basically HAD to play stadium venues and large amphitheaters, and never again could get away with playing smaller theatres and places where the ambiance/acoustic were actually good.

It's sad, because basically everybody except for Jerry was so happy to have the money rolling in. But Garcia already had more money than he knew what to do with (songwriting royalties, etc.) and was more inclined to do JGB stuff rather than the hassle of playing Giants Stadium and shit like that, where the music wasn't able to be heard as well...

Thanks for more of the backstory about those Warlocks shows, though, AC. I love hearing the details, and you've done a lot for this thread. I want to make sure and say Thank You for posting

this is the third attempt of posting, glp is blocking the archive link maybe? here it goes. you'll have to tweak the url. i'll try to make it obvious.


no worries i don't get offended andd my sense of humor allows me to laugh with you.
thanks for the good words and i do want to share something. not bragging, just sharing. i'm one of the drummers in this band (left it in 2011) we're playing with vince and sugar blue walks in and stars playing with us too! one of the funnest nights with this band listen from standing on the moon to the end. archive org/details/tf2001-09-03.flac

Two seconds into this video: "Don't tell me no, man; this is First Amendment..."

Classic! Thanks, Dogfood!!!

Aww, hell yeah! That sounds awesome, especially the bar. I didn't realize that Warfield had a bar! Explains a lot why those acoustic shows were so well received, lol!

Thanks for sharing the memories, I really mean that



(*Edit = Opps, this is the meme that shows up with ..hellyeah.. I'll keep it because it's kinda funny...)

The acoustic shows I remember most were the Garcia/Grisman shows.

Specially the "Not Just For Kids Only" shows.

Pure magic.

Listening right now! Already liking the bottle-neck slide guitar on Standing on the Moon!

Dude.... 38 SONGS IN ONE SHOW?!?

"I'll have what she's having..." -- When Harry Met Sally

Wow, the singer actually sounds a lot like Jerry. Damn!

Okay, I'm gonna keep listening. Thanks for the link. Sorry it kept giving you grief -- damn captchas -- but I got it ;)

You're a cool guy, guitar ace. Thanks for gracing my threads with your presence. I mean that sincerely

we played every sunday for about 4 years. it was a party every time!

You make a fair point. How about this for a corollary:

Like moths to a flame, people will ill intent would have seen Grateful Dead shows as a place to blend in, cause chaos, or do nefarious things under the cover of so many peaceful hippy-types.

I think it has less to do with the music itself than the culture around it.

Especially after "Touch of Grey" in '85 when the band got massive exposure and suddenly became 'hip' again...

Wait.... wait... wait. You actually SAW Garcia/Grisman? From the Not for Kids Only period??? Holy shit! That was actually a really good album. That's where I learned the song Jenny Jenkins :)))

Those two guys had WONDERFUL interplay, between the David's mando and Jerry's acoustic/tenor banjo. Wow, what I would give to have seen one of those shows...

(Did they play "So What?" the extended Miles Davis piece? I always loved listening to them play, no matter what the tune was, actually...)

FWIW, the few times the Dead played Passaic NJ was because it was David Grisman's hometown and he'd bring his mother and grandmother to see the Dead there. (They were friends from the Old & In the Way days, if you recall...)

So freakin cool!

I'm on track 35 now, He's Gone --> Drums --> The Other One... I gotta say, I'm not usually one for Dead cover bands, but this Drumz/Other One is kicking my ass!! You might be overqualified for being on GLP, my friend.

Thanks for the link, though. This is making my whole afternoon!!

how is it a hundred million fans when it was the same people following them around from show to show? I think your number is a little high. (No pun intended.)

You might be overqualified for being on GLP, my friend.

i will say for awhile we were the most fearless dead cover band. around 2006 we lost some main players who went to other bands and it was never really the same after that. the drums other one is epic and i still go back and listen to it often. by the way, i pretty much was repulsed by vince in the dead but playing with him changed me attitude some.

You guys way too much about Bohemian Grove lol

It's just basically summer camp for rich people. They booze it up for a few weeks and pretend like they're druids and party

Even rich people are humans and want to get out pent up frustration. So they party hard

Interesting story...

If the premise is true, I'd say there are a multiple of factors, not limited to the obvious:

1) We are generally naive, and trusting of strangers
2) Generally non-violent
3) Lots of drugs, leading to bad judgement and character discernment

I hope that doesn't sound harsh, and my list certainly doesn't apply to every Dead Head, but... a lot of them.

But since this is GLP, I'm assuming some of you will say this is due to a purported Satantic/CIA/Mk Ultra connection.

Yes, Bobby and Micky have attended BoGrove, reportedly.

Anyway, food for thought. Interesting artcile. Have at it, GLP


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Pun taken, regardless

I guess I'm including everybody who ever got laid listening to Truckin', or boggied on the dance floor to Casey Jones.

And the fans around the world...

Maybe I'm over-estimating, but they did have a dedicated core of fans o the East coast, Southeast, Deep south, Mid-America, north plains states, and West coast. Maybe it's 50 million.

You make a good point, but I still think there might be more actual Dead Heads -- who know all the lyrics, can quote you dates of shows from 40 years ago -- than legit Rolling Stones fans, for example.

The Grateful Dead was one of the most important bands in American history, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying so

Jerry and Bob arguing with the liberal press reporters

not much has changed. i was holding my breath watching jerry wave his lit cigerette over bob's head.

Only the smart Grateful Dead fans are being murdered...by the CIA, because through their worship of shite music they decided to find out as much as possible about Jerry Garcia and like anyone else with an I.Q above Forrest Gump level, they realized what is blaring obvious....Jerry Garcia was always a CIA asset/agent, and "The Company" doesn't want the truth circulating among everyone because they still get a lot of the profits from Grateful Dead merch, and all that sutff.

(*Edit = Opps, this is the meme that shows up with ..hellyeah.. I'll keep it because it's kinda funny...)

:hellyeah:

not much has changed. i was holding my breath watching jerry wave his lit cigerette over bob's head.

LOL!

edit...well i hacked that reply up pretty good. lol.