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Yea I wouldn’t trust ‘channeled’ information in general.

I’d sooner believe people who claim to have gotten their info during their astral travels than I would channelers.

I think J.S.M. Ward also wrote some interesting books on Masonry.

Here is the problem I have with this - or any other written material for that matter - HOW CAN WE PROVE THE SOURCE AND THE RELIABILITY OF THE SOURCE OF THE WRITTEN MATERIAL? Basically, we can't. So everything we read we have to take on blind faith (which I don't recommend), not proof. Even when someone comes along and says they have proof that so-and-so wrote this material in the 3rd Century BCE, usually there is not ROCK SOLID evidence of such a statement. And, it's possible that author of such material could have written whatever they wanted, with no basis in fact or reality. I'm not saying that the scenario you present MIGHT not be true. It might, or it might not. But, if it IS true, we don't remember it, and not remembering it is a GROSSLY unfair component of the equation.

So basically, we're wandering blind and lost, with anyone and everyone guessing what the true nature of reality is, but nobody really KNOWING what it is. My modus operandi, therefore, is to keep things simple, and treat everyone how I would want to be treated - and THAT'S IT. Because we can never really know a thing. What is truth, what isn't truth. We can try to figure it out - and I encourage that - but the actual fact, I believe, is that we won't know the truth about reality in this lifetime. We may get glimpses and snippets of the truth. I've tortured myself with questions for DECADES. And I feel I'm no closer to a conclusion about the truth than I was when I started out on my quest.

So, again, I have to boil it down to the bare bones essentials. Look around, anyone with half a brain can see that the world is f-cked up. Christianity puts the burden of the f-cked-upness on humanity (and on Satan to some extent, although humanity bears the brunt of it). Gnostics blame the Demiurge. Everybody has a theory and a guess. Then along come people who claim to channel information, so we have that to contend with and ponder. There's a glut of information, information, information -- yet again, are we any closer to the Truth? As human beings we know that our brains are very limited in understanding, so maybe it's possible that in our current format, we can't understand the Truth. SO, what we can do is live good lives, and try to figure out the truth, and that's about it. Because anyone who claims they have a monopoly on the truth, is a liar and/or fooling themselves. All any of us are doing is putting forth our best guess and then acting - or not acting - accordingly. Sorry for this ridiculously long rant.

@Jennifer

You are right actually. The truth eludes us all. I likewise do not claim to know the truth about this reality. However, there are undeniable things that we cannot ignore. Such as life is suffering, schools have taught us lies, people are selfish, etc. Knowledge that we have gained through life experience and our own common sense. It is these observations about my own environment that I use as a basis to understand the world I live in.

Anytime somebody claims to know more than you I always regard them with suspicion. Motivation, ego, ignorance, or just plain stupidity get in the way of the truth. So I always read and listen first, then draw my conclusions. It is my belief that everyone has something valuable to share because we’ve all been through different experiences.

Most people just learn something from somewhere and don’t bother a deeper investigation into it, nor allowing other opinions to affect them. Because it hurts their ego to admit they were wrong. It’s also a lot of work to relearn something you already invested so much time into. Real truth seekers push aside all this bs and just go for it. They don’t let emotions get in their way. These are the people who actually know a few things.

This is his most interesting book i think

Gone West:
Three Narratives of After-Death Experiences
[link to new-birth.net (secure)]

I’ll have to take a look.

That book is implying that Ward was a channeler?

I wasn’t aware of that.

Then again I don’t really know anything about him other than that he has a book seemingly about Chinese Triads and apparently some of their similarities and/or connections to Masonry.

Triads may have been spiritual esoteric societies before they became known as mere mobsters....

Anyway....

Agreed, and the Nag Hammadi scriptures really helped me to make sense of this- the Old Testament and New Testament are clearly referencing different ‘entities’ when it comes to our conception of ‘God’... I mentioned this book before but possibly not in this thread- it finally helped to put a lot of the pieces together- Can You Stand the Truth: The Chronicle of Man’s Imprisonment

I am grateful for people like you, and others on this forum, who can discuss these topics with wisdom and compassion. I love reading other's insights and believe that everyone can bring something different to the table. I actually read your reply several times as I found it helpful, so thank you for that. There are so very few people I can talk to about this stuff.

Just watched this video and I think its worth watching, but suggest muting it and watch it at 2x normal speed.

If anything, Jesus was a Gnostic whose teachings have been hijacked and bastardized by the Archonic forces and perpetuated for over 2,000 years by the Archonic Religitards.

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Agreed, and the Nag Hammadi scriptures really helped me to make sense of this- the Old Testament and New Testament are clearly referencing different ‘entities’ when it comes to our conception of ‘God’... I mentioned this book before but possibly not in this thread- it finally helped to put a lot of the pieces together- Can You Stand the Truth: The Chronicle of Man’s Imprisonment




Just watched this video and I think its worth watching, but suggest muting it and watch it at 2x normal speed.


I have more to say about this (as if anyone should care, lol) it is a thought I had about this world and the Abrahamic religions, I will type it from home when I have access to my computer, its tedious typing on a tablet virtual keyboard.

The exit the matrix video is a nice summary of our reality, but the Jesus answer I believe is wrong. Whenever you put your fate into an unseen being you’re asking for trouble. Just look at all the Christians who willingly sacrificed their lives in the name of Jesus. When in life, looking to Jesus for salvation is putting yourself out of control. It is your life, you control it, you make the necessary changes. Don’t wait for this unseen being to direct you. Personally I think this is a form of deception. The demiurge can play both good and bad cop.

I genuinely think you’d get a lot out of the book I mentioned - don’t get me wrong, I didn’t resonate with 100% of it, but in terms of advancing my understanding it was a game-changer. Pretty sure it’s on kindle for under ten bucks- check out the reviews & read the free intro.

With each piece of information you take what you need and leave the rest... I come from an atheistic, purely scientific pov- but I researched the Turin Shroud and always felt some ‘connection’ with the Cathars and the Gnostics... maybe we each have to find our own ‘Truth’, but if you’re having these questions, read the book I mentioned up thread as the author put 30 years of research into elucidating these same answers.

I thought the same, until I researched the Turin Shroud- it all starts to come together and make sense from there...

You mean the piece of cloth with Jesus face on it? What does that prove?

I also have been fascinated by the Cathars, and the fact that they were brutally exterminated suggests to me that they may have known some of whatever the Truth is. Montsegur was their last stronghold.

The burial cloth that we were all led to believe was a medieval forgery, thanks to the Roman Catholic Church- who only allowed analysis of one particular section of the cloth, that they knew had been repaired in the Middle Ages (hence the carbon dating)...

Numerous attempts have been made to recreate the nature of the image on the cloth- finding that only an incredibly brief burst of ultra-violet light would account for the peculiarities... below is a quick YouTube link but Dr Andrew Silverman has researched this extensively and presumably the link has more details. Also worth noting that he worked with Nigel Kerner who arrived at similar conclusions regarding the ‘harvesting of souls’, purely by accident (through investigating the ufo phenomenon).

You mind summarizing the video man it’s one hour.

Think with these things it’s always worth looking into it for yourself ~ the vid I linked was just through a quick YouTube search, there are probably better ones out there. But the main premise is, it’s definitely worth researching the Shroud for yourself, in terms of how the image could’ve been created and when you address things from a Gnostic standpoint, what that sacrifice actually meant.

If you’ve a genuine desire for Truth, you’ll look at all of this from many different angles- I came at it from an atheist standpoint, but was pretty humbled as I delved down a bit deeper. The ‘burst of conscious light’ described in the clip suggests to me a porthole, if you like, that was created via that event allowing people an exit from the matrix- hence statements saying that the only way to the Father (not the LORD god) was through Him.

It’s hard to summarise in one neat sound bite and maybe we need to discover each Truth for ourselves... but once I’d understood it within a Gnostic framework, it all made a lot more sense to me.

ETA: Go to 48:30 on the vid

@soulmax

I don’t know you therefore I’m not going to invest in an hour long video just because you said it’s worth it. If I did that I would never have time for anything else. If I linked one with no context or summary would you watch it? Exactly. Your logic applies both ways. Can’t win if you don’t gamble, but can’t lose if you don’t gamble either.

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Dang I think those archon overlords really got to our OP... why can’t a small fry like me ever get the same attention?

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Fair point, however your (or others') lack of proof about a certain subject, doesn't mean that someone else does not know about the said subject, regardless of how impossible that might look. After all you (or others) don't know about the experiences I've had or vice-versa, I don't know about yours.

Now to the point - How do I know? Well, it's been a long time (since coming to this planet and before that) that I've been in close contact with God Almighty and I've been given certain information that not everybody knows and I share them when asked. This universe has been very difficult for me, it took time to adjust and know certain things.

The moment a being establishes strong connection with God, then he/she starts to learn things, like I did. And this connection and communication is possible for every being as long as that being is humble, fully repents for his/her transgressions and always follows God's advice or tries his/her best to do so.

So just to drive my main point again on "why the sufferings, who are we, etc ?" -- all people are guilty of the sacrilege of turning against God long ago as angels and today they are suffering the consequences of those ancient rebellions. That's why the immense suffering and the inequities in this world. In a word, today's beings are the fallen angels of yesterday. When I say "beings" I mean physical people, spiritual beings, demons, animals. Based on this, things in the physical world start to make more sense.

P.S. Please note that I'm not bringing up any Bible quotes, because I consider the so-called "New Testament" a total lie and its main character a human invention, a big lie at that. Lucifer and its minions have done immense damage to this planet and elsewhere. However, certain parts of the Old Testament I consider the true word of God Almighty.

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@miri

Why do you say humans are angels from a previous rebellion? Sounds cool, but where did you get this info? If you have a valid point of view with sensible sources, I’m all ears. Not looking to argue just trying to understand.

If you re-read my post above I mentioned that I'm in constant contact with the Divine and I get answers about that and more*. As far as other sources I don't have them, however they could be scattered around, in books from long ago, or from the legends of ancient people (Hindus for example) and so on.

It's one of the things that the forces of evil have desperately kept hidden from the world, because the moment people know about it, they start thinking and people thinking is dangerous for these evil beings.

*P.S. I'm not mentioning here the daily advice that God gives me about the relationships with other people, when He advises me about my daily routine, doing certain work, fixing or cleaning my car for example, or when He gives me some nice musical melody (I'm an audiophile btw, but can't play a thing), etc.

Fair point, however your (or others') lack of proof about a certain subject, doesn't mean that someone else does not know about the said subject, regardless of how impossible that might look. After all you (or others) don't know about the experiences I've had or vice-versa, I don't know about yours.

Now to the point - How do I know? Well, it's been a long time (since coming to this planet and before that) that I've been in close contact with God Almighty and I've been given certain information that not everybody knows and I share them when asked. This universe has been very difficult for me, it took time to adjust and know certain things.

The moment a being establishes strong connection with God, then he/she starts to learn things, like I did. And this connection and communication is possible for every being as long as that being is humble, fully repents for his/her transgressions and always follows God's advice or tries his/her best to do so.

So just to drive my main point again on "why the sufferings, who are we, etc ?" -- all people are guilty of the sacrilege of turning against God long ago as angels and today they are suffering the consequences of those ancient rebellions. That's why the immense suffering and the inequities in this world. In a word, today's beings are the fallen angels of yesterday. When I say "beings" I mean physical people, spiritual beings, demons, animals. Based on this, things in the physical world start to make more sense.

P.S. Please note that I'm not bringing up any Bible quotes, because I consider the so-called "New Testament" a total lie and its main character a human invention, a big lie at that. Lucifer and its minions have done immense damage to this planet and elsewhere. However, certain parts of the Old Testament I consider the true word of God Almighty.

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Your first paragraph, I'm on board with that and of course I would never tell you that your experiences aren't real. I'm asking, in all sincerity, how you have been in close contact with God Almighty. How did you accomplish this? I am a former Christian, and I used to think that I had been in close contact with God Almighty. Additionally, I try to be humble, to not to do evil, and I am sorry for when I have wronged someone or hurt someone. I am doing the best I can. You and I take opposing views on the Old Testament and New Testament. The Old Testament, to me, seems to describe a blood-thirsty, vengeful and jealous god, whereas the New Testament brings Jesus into the picture, who seemed to be full of mercy and not judgment.

All due respect, Jennifer (you have shown wisdom in this thread), but you are wasting your time questioning and debating something you already know to be false.

Otherwise, you only encourage people like him to post voluminous explanations which only serve to congest the thread, deter others from reading it, and otherwise distract from the purpose and focus of the thread.

This is precisely why people need to upgrade their membership to moderate their threads and delete out all the irrelevant garbage.

Clearly, you are free to post away, question and reply. I'm simply stating that if you already know something to be false, don't waste valuable time and effort engaging the person in dialogue. They only end up convincing themselves of their rhetoric and take no interest in what you may be pursuing.

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I didn’t want to say it like that. But you do make a good point, Zova. I firmly believe all mainstream religions to be false, unless you have a very good reason to make me change my mind. Visions from the almighty are not on the top of that list of reasons.

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I'm confident OP will return.

Many members will not return to GLP for days, weeks, sometimes even months.

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Oh no, I'm really sorry, I didn't think about it from that angle. I'll be quiet now, cuz I don't want to deter others from reading

No worries.

As I said, you're 100% free to do so. It's not MY forum!

Re-read my post. I'm simply encouraging you NOT to waste your valuable time and energy engaging others stuck in beliefs that you have already graduated beyond.

I speak from many, many years of experience. You will only expend massive amounts of time and energy, and you will have not convinced even one of them.

You'll recognize the ones that are interested in where your thoughts are NOW, because they will show interest and ask questions, not try to persuade you to listen to their point of view.
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