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PCR tests. How they "work" and what you aren't being told.

 
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Can someone please define a cycle?
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"A typical amplification reaction includes target DNA, a thermostable DNA polymerase, two oligonucleotide primers, deoxynucleotide triphosphates (dNTPs), reaction buffer and magnesium. Once assembled, the reaction is placed in a thermal cycler, an instrument that subjects the reaction to a series of different temperatures for set amounts of time. This series of temperature and time adjustments is referred to as one cycle of amplification. Each PCR cycle theoretically doubles the amount of targeted sequence (amplicon) in the reaction. Ten cycles theoretically multiply the amplicon by a factor of about one thousand; 20 cycles, by a factor of more than a million in a matter of hours."

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"Typically, a PCR is a three-step reaction. The sample containing a dilute concentration of template DNA is mixed with a heat-stable DNA polymerase, such as Taq polymerase, primers, deoxynucleoside triphosphates (dNTPs), and magnesium. In the first step of PCR, the sample is heated to 95–98°C, which denatures the double-stranded DNA, splitting it into two single strands. In the second step, the temperature is decreased to approximately 55–65°C, allowing the primers to bind, or anneal, to specific sequences of DNA at each end of the target sequence, also known as the template. In the third step, the temperature is typically increased to 72°C, allowing the DNA polymerase to extend the primers by the addition of dNTPs to create a new strand of DNA, thus doubling the quantity of DNA in the reaction. This sequence of denaturation, annealing, and extension is repeated for many cycles, resulting in the exponential amplification of the template DNA. As the DNA polymerase loses activity or the dNTPs and primers are consumed, the reaction rate reaches a plateau."
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I am not even telling you not to trust them! But please don't try to force me to follow your ways. To each his own! Go on, trust them and live with the consequences. For my part, I will exercise my God-given capability of critical thinking. I will trust people when they deserve trust and I will be cautious of them when they don't deserve to be trusted. And I will live with the consequences, responsibly as a free man.
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But WHY don't you trust them, is the best question. Because experts have been involved in evil schemes on the past?

That is called paranoia!

I'm not asking or forcing you to do anything...but, I support the rights of those who do comply to not be harassed by morons who don't. Come near me without a mask, pay the price.

I'm also a "free man". I don't see any of this as infringement of my freedom, I look at it as my patriotic duty to my fellow Americans. Just like when I drive on the right side if the road! It is no more infringing than that! Yet, whiny pussies have to blow it all out of proportion, pathetically!
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LOL.. a system player selling the system to a woke dude.. NAH!
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No, you CLAIM you are woke. I don't agree.

I think you are pathetic and paranoid.

I trust the system because I'm not a pussy.


You wouldn't understand that.
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epiclol
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No, some "Doctors" don't agree! Experts in the EXACT sciences centered around virus and vaccines, are in complete agreement. Fringe lunatics are not agreeing and that's who morons flock to! Its fucking crazy!

I wrote about Doctor Wilson and his videos about PCR and you chose to ignore it, as I knew many would. You have no evidence that this man has any other motive than to help people.

Go to youtube Debunk the Funk, or not! I don't care!

You nuts and your crazy accusations embarrass the USA.
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It's safe to say that we don't care either, about your youtube doctor recommendation. The fact that you've repeatedly promoted an extremely biased person named "Dr Funk" or whatever his name is, so aggressively here, tells us everything we need to know about your position. Particularly since you're unable to counter with facts anytime I (or anyone else here) have held your feet to the fire. Next time you wish to fling your horseshit agenda here, come better prepared.
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No, some "Doctors" don't agree! Experts in the EXACT sciences centered around virus and vaccines, are in complete agreement. Fringe lunatics are not agreeing and that's who morons flock to! Its fucking crazy!

I wrote about Doctor Wilson and his videos about PCR and you chose to ignore it, as I knew many would. You have no evidence that this man has any other motive than to help people.

Go to youtube Debunk the Funk, or not! I don't care!

You nuts and your crazy accusations embarrass the USA.
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It's safe to say that we don't care either, about your youtube doctor recommendation. The fact that you've repeatedly promoted an extremely biased person named "Dr Funk" or whatever his name is, so aggressively here, tells us everything we need to know about your position. Particularly since you're unable to counter with facts anytime I (or anyone else here) have held your feet to the fire. Next time you wish to fling your horseshit agenda here, come better prepared.
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I didn't ask you to care! As I wrote, I saw people posting opinion and belief and I put my 2 cents in. Are your 2 cents worth more than mine?!

Again, keep or toss the information.

I don't expect a single person on this site to go to reputable sources of information!

I never claimed to have the facts, personally! I have just pointed out that experts disagree.

You disagree with experts in this...good for you! You must be proud!

I didn't NEED to be "pepared"! I was just saying, hey, there us thus guy who sees things differently...and you get upset.

You're fucking crazy. Bye
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PCR is well-established, working and reliable method. The experts who conduct the testing know all this. Idle talk like this only hurts the public confidence in experts and really should be banned like enemy propaganda during war.
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Dont be an idiot, you think you are being funny but you arent
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look I know shit about medicine or medical science but humor me here...

why does every med commercial have such a long list of complications attached if everything in the med world is A-okay?
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PCR is well-established, working and reliable method. The experts who conduct the testing know all this. Idle talk like this only hurts the public confidence in experts and really should be banned like enemy propaganda during war.
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Kary Mullis disagrees.
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No, some "Doctors" don't agree! Experts in the EXACT sciences centered around virus and vaccines, are in complete agreement. Fringe lunatics are not agreeing and that's who morons flock to! Its fucking crazy!

I wrote about Doctor Wilson and his videos about PCR and you chose to ignore it, as I knew many would. You have no evidence that this man has any other motive than to help people.

Go to youtube Debunk the Funk, or not! I don't care!

You nuts and your crazy accusations embarrass the USA.
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It's safe to say that we don't care either, about your youtube doctor recommendation. The fact that you've repeatedly promoted an extremely biased person named "Dr Funk" or whatever his name is, so aggressively here, tells us everything we need to know about your position. Particularly since you're unable to counter with facts anytime I (or anyone else here) have held your feet to the fire. Next time you wish to fling your horseshit agenda here, come better prepared.
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I didn't ask you to care! As I wrote, I saw people posting opinion and belief and I put my 2 cents in. Are your 2 cents worth more than mine?!

Again, keep or toss the information.

I don't expect a single person on this site to go to reputable sources of information!

I never claimed to have the facts, personally! I have just pointed out that experts disagree.

You disagree with experts in this...good for you! You must be proud!

I didn't NEED to be "pepared"! I was just saying, hey, there us thus guy who sees things differently...and you get upset.

You're fucking crazy. Bye
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I'm guessin doc walton knows alot more about coronavirus testing than your stupid ass. you seem like a fuckin commie tard! go eat shit cumbucket!
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PCR is well-established, working and reliable method. The experts who conduct the testing know all this. Idle talk like this only hurts the public confidence in experts and really should be banned like enemy propaganda during war.
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Truth isn't welcome here! Remember that.

Anyone who reads the crap on this site, and accepts it as fact, instead of the testimony of experts, isn't WORTH trying to reason with.

These folks have made it clear that they WANT to be expendable

LET THEM!

Encourage them to spend time with other morons over the holidays. Tell them to drink and laugh and hug!

The rest of us will win through attrition.

Another thing....morons believe those who wear masks and follow guidelines do so out of fear. That’s just not true! It's out of respect for both the power of pathogens, and our fellow man.

I fear no virus. If the guidelines are followed, there is no reason to fear it, just as i follow the guidelines of wearing shoes in the summer...personal protection against searing asphalt. We adapt. To refuse to adapt, is just fucking stupid! But, i respect the freedoms of others and will expect them to respect my freedom to PROPERLY deal with the pandemic.
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So.............who are all these people flooding the hospitals at the moment? Are they not sick? Has the virus not ramped up it's spread in the last few weeks? I'm not trolling here, just want to jive the OP's data with what being reported in the news.
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They're empty here?
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They are full here.
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Link? I know the top surgeon (drinking/footy buddy) here...nada deaths from Covid in a year. Show me your data.
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PCR is well-established, working and reliable method. The experts who conduct the testing know all this. Idle talk like this only hurts the public confidence in experts and really should be banned like enemy propaganda during war.
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Wanna talk PCR tests? I'm your huckleberry.
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We all sing off the same songsheet

Thread: Listen People, If You're Getting a PCR Test for Covid, You Need to Ask For Your CT Value...NO EXCUSES!!
Thread: The COVID-19 RT-PCR Test: How to Mislead All Humanity. Using a “Test” To Lock Down Society

Bogus test...bogus scamdemic. The people (supposedly) that buy the lie are too afraid of looking like the morans they are so they cling to attachments.
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So.............who are all these people flooding the hospitals at the moment? Are they not sick? Has the virus not ramped up it's spread in the last few weeks? I'm not trolling here, just want to jive the OP's data with what being reported in the news.
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If that is true it is because people are sickening themselves with masks.
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PCR is well-established, working and reliable method. The experts who conduct the testing know all this. Idle talk like this only hurts the public confidence in experts and really should be banned like enemy propaganda during war.
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Fuck you, little cunt
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I’m in NC. My local news actually reported on this. In NC our labs are running the testing through over 30 times!! I tried to post the link once and I got banned so I won’t try that again.
Anyway they interviewed scientists who confirmed we are getting MANY
false positives because of the labs running the dna samples through over and over and over again.
And NC is ran by a democratic governor. No surprise!
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Y'all do realize that Guv Cooper has been, probably still is, burning up the phone lines talking w/ Dr. Fake-ass, right?

Yeah, NC and more specifically the RTP area is home to a lot of big pharma companies.

Also remember that the roots of this designer virus 'Rona can be traced back to a lab at UNC-Chapel Hill yrs ago.

And what a shit show it's been at the local test sites! Major traffic jams, fender benders and near miss accidents w/ frightened sheeple trying to get tested before the holidays.
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I have family in NC and Cooper is just as bad as Newsom in CA. For tests in NC, they're actually running a minimum 35 cycles, just once. Anything detected under the great ambiguous net of deception of a 35 CT is declared a "positive" case. Colleagues of mine who also study cov2 data on a daily basis propose that at least half of all of NC's "positive cases" are either people running around with dead RNA OR who are outright true false positives as a result of wonky signals via a high amplification run. NC is corrupt as hell.
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Whassup, Doc?! So glad you're weighin' in on this thread.
hf

And yeah, the Old North State is so much worse than people would believe when it comes to corruption. I know first hand and am anxiously munching my popcorn to see how the grand-poobahs runnin' my state into the ground will be dealt with soon.
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So.............who are all these people flooding the hospitals at the moment? Are they not sick? Has the virus not ramped up it's spread in the last few weeks? I'm not trolling here, just want to jive the OP's data with what being reported in the news.
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The only way to get an accurate answer to your question, would be to actually parse the differences between a true cvo2 patient, a presumed cov2 patient, and a patient who's ill due to completely unrelated cov2 issues, yet had a "positive" test with a CT value of 30+. Tragically, the last two categories are currently amplified due to lockdowns themselves.

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Needs to be taken out back with a shotgun - full disclosure I have never owned nor have I handled a firearm nor do I intend on obtaining one in the near future
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Whassup, Doc?! So glad you're weighin' in on this thread.
hf

And yeah, the Old North State is so much worse than people would believe when it comes to corruption. I know first hand and am anxiously munching my popcorn to see how the grand-poobahs runnin' my state into the ground will be dealt with soon.
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Hello and ty! Sadly, I have no high expectations for Cooper whatsoever. He's abhorrent beyond measure.
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The left at their games again.. their sources better than your sources.. their views are gospel and your complaints and doubts are ravings of the fantastically insane..
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A yes or no test can never be 0% accurate... It can however be 0% reliable.
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But WHY don't you trust them, is the best question. Because experts have been involved in evil schemes on the past?

That is called paranoia!

I'm not asking or forcing you to do anything...but, I support the rights of those who do comply to not be harassed by morons who don't. Come near me without a mask, pay the price.

I'm also a "free man". I don't see any of this as infringement of my freedom, I look at it as my patriotic duty to my fellow Americans. Just like when I drive on the right side if the road! It is no more infringing than that! Yet, whiny pussies have to blow it all out of proportion, pathetically!
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LOL.. a system player selling the system to a woke dude.. NAH!
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No, you CLAIM you are woke. I don't agree.

I think you are pathetic and paranoid.

I trust the system because I'm not a pussy.


You wouldn't understand that.
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epiclol
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Can you imagine a person saying that they support your right to wear a mask, but come near me with a mask on and you will "pay the price".

It will probably get there as more people wake up and realize that the masktards are the problem and the idiotic tools of the government.
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OP, I have worked with PCR for 15 years and can tell you it is extremely accurate and the cycle issue you described makes no sense.


I run 33-37 cycles all the time. That allows me to amplify a very small amount virus or other DNA target to a large enough amount to work with.


So how do I know I am right?


I run a negative and positive control with every run. If those are not accurate the whole run is tossed.


Second, if I have ten specimens and 2 are positive, I will rerun the positive specimens again to confirm.


There is no way the technology could be "tricking me" because there are to many safeguards with positive and negative controls plus repeating positive samples.
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Saying "It's a PCR test so it's good." or "It's a PCR test so it's not good." is like saying "We used purified water in the test, so it's good (or not good)."

PCR can be associated with good tests or bad tests. It's just a testing method that's sometimes useful and sometimes not.
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OP, I have worked with PCR for 15 years and can tell you it is extremely accurate and the cycle issue you described makes no sense.


I run 33-37 cycles all the time. That allows me to amplify a very small amount virus or other DNA target to a large enough amount to work with.


So how do I know I am right?


I run a negative and positive control with every run. If those are not accurate the whole run is tossed.


Second, if I have ten specimens and 2 are positive, I will rerun the positive specimens again to confirm.



There is no way the technology could be "tricking me" because there are to many safeguards with positive and negative controls plus repeating positive samples.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


So you're concerned about false positives and you rerun them again to confirm. That's prudent.

Positives aren't being rerun with Covid tests, are they?

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OP, I have worked with PCR for 15 years and can tell you it is extremely accurate and the cycle issue you described makes no sense.


I run 33-37 cycles all the time. That allows me to amplify a very small amount virus or other DNA target to a large enough amount to work with.


So how do I know I am right?


I run a negative and positive control with every run. If those are not accurate the whole run is tossed.


Second, if I have ten specimens and 2 are positive, I will rerun the positive specimens again to confirm.



There is no way the technology could be "tricking me" because there are to many safeguards with positive and negative controls plus repeating positive samples.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


So you're concerned about false positives and you rerun them again to confirm. That's prudent.

Positives aren't being rerun with Covid tests, are they?
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Let me elaborate further. You can't get a false positive for no reason, meaning the technology can't just invent a positive out of thin air.


However it is so sensitive, that false positives are usually cross contamination. Let's say a nurse handed the specimen before sending and had a tiny amount of the virus on her glove. If that made it into the run from grabbing the outside of the tube or something it will pick it up.
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OP, I have worked with PCR for 15 years and can tell you it is extremely accurate and the cycle issue you described makes no sense.


I run 33-37 cycles all the time. That allows me to amplify a very small amount virus or other DNA target to a large enough amount to work with.


So how do I know I am right?


I run a negative and positive control with every run. If those are not accurate the whole run is tossed.


Second, if I have ten specimens and 2 are positive, I will rerun the positive specimens again to confirm.



There is no way the technology could be "tricking me" because there are to many safeguards with positive and negative controls plus repeating positive samples.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


So you're concerned about false positives and you rerun them again to confirm. That's prudent.

Positives aren't being rerun with Covid tests, are they?
 Quoting: President Elect oniongrass



Let me elaborate further. You can't get a false positive for no reason, meaning the technology can't just invent a positive out of thin air.


However it is so sensitive, that false positives are usually cross contamination. Let's say a nurse handed the specimen before sending and had a tiny amount of the virus on her glove. If that made it into the run from grabbing the outside of the tube or something it will pick it up.
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but how do you know the positive indicates the supposed virus?
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OP, I have worked with PCR for 15 years and can tell you it is extremely accurate and the cycle issue you described makes no sense.


I run 33-37 cycles all the time. That allows me to amplify a very small amount virus or other DNA target to a large enough amount to work with.


So how do I know I am right?


I run a negative and positive control with every run. If those are not accurate the whole run is tossed.


Second, if I have ten specimens and 2 are positive, I will rerun the positive specimens again to confirm.



There is no way the technology could be "tricking me" because there are to many safeguards with positive and negative controls plus repeating positive samples.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


So you're concerned about false positives and you rerun them again to confirm. That's prudent.

Positives aren't being rerun with Covid tests, are they?
 Quoting: President Elect oniongrass



Let me elaborate further. You can't get a false positive for no reason, meaning the technology can't just invent a positive out of thin air.


However it is so sensitive, that false positives are usually cross contamination. Let's say a nurse handed the specimen before sending and had a tiny amount of the virus on her glove. If that made it into the run from grabbing the outside of the tube or something it will pick it up.
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For whatever unknown reasons, false positives occur. The same risk exists with Covid tests.
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Good question, because PCR is only amplifying a DNA fragment that is an exact match..like a line of code...for that virus.


The positive control has that exact line of code in it. The negative is DNA without it.
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Look guys, I am a scientist and conspiracy buff.


I do think it escaped a Wuhan Lab and they were probably doing something called "Gain of Function" research. That is when scientists in their grand stupidity make something easier to spread to study how it works (I do not agree with this type of work).



The smoking gun here is we got nailed with an escaped lab engineered bug and the govt would rather you think it's fake than the other.
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Good question, because PCR is only amplifying a DNA fragment that is an exact match..like a line of code...for that virus.


The positive control has that exact line of code in it. The negative is DNA without it.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


how do you know that sequence is unique to the supposed virus? how do you know what sequence to look for?





GLP