Pilgrim Fathers - The Dutch Connection

Sorry, zapped away to the swans.

Don't blame you! But very interesting.

IF IT AINT DUTCH IT AINT MUCH!!!!!

The AMeriCanZ owe the Dutch much!

All Dutch jokes aside.

“The Netherlands’ atmosphere of religious freedom tended to have a liberalizing effect on the Pilgrims. John Robinson, for example, was invited to debate at Leyden University. Although he never changed his Separatist views, he did learn that men of different faiths could live together without killing one another. Later, in the New World, Plymouth Colony would prove to be a handy buffer zone between the Puritans’ Massachusetts Bay Colony and the more radical colonists in Rhode Island. When Harvard’s first president, Henry Dunster, for example, resigned because he came to reject the Puritan doctrine of infant baptism, he set-fled in Plymouth. The Pilgrims also believed in infant baptism, but they had become tolerant enough to “agree to disagree” with other Christians like Dunster.” Source: [link to fee.org (secure)]

The poldermodel

a friend traded some beads for an island,then his kids loaned the land to a church,the church stole the land and sold it to a hotel,the hotel where a man who liked pjgeons lived most of his life.he died and some fbi took all his stuff.the the hotel sold out to an empire,and the empire stands on that ground today.
the family of beads went many generations,then a don was born,that son went on to be almost and equal to the old man with the pigeons,hes on glp right now.
history is full of magnetic personalities.

That was deep. But you know, it made sense to me.

400 Years ago it was the New World. That is really not so long ago. Amazing really.

Piet Hein ... anyway...
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More info of the church
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Longtime Americans will find this thread amusing because there are people out there who have never heard about this chapter in history...

what are they teaching in schools other than whites are evil and racist?

Kyber Pass -

The indo Aryan connection point.

**schwazistan

Thank you.

Interesting. Are you implying Indo connections to the Pilgrims?

It's very interesting, Isn't it?

Not all the pilgrims were able to travel to the New World together. The first group of pilgrims who had been chosen to make the voyage (16 men, 11 women and 19 children) were under the leadership of William Brewster. Their pastor, John Robinson, was due to travel on later with those who had stayed behind. However, he died in Leiden in 1625. The group travelled with their fellow pilgrims from Leiden to Delfshaven on a canal boat. There they spent a night praying and fasting outside the church now known as the Pilgrim Fathers’ Church. They listened to one last sermon by Reverend John Robinson who had been their pastor throughout their sojourn in Holland.

The following day, July 31 1620, they prayed with John Robinson who knelt in prayer asking for God’s blessing. This scene is captured in a painting, The Embarkation of the Pilgrims, that visitors to Washington will find in the rotunda in the U.S. Capitol. Then, witnessed by a crowd of onlookers, many moved to tears, they boarded a ship called the Speedwell and set sail for England where they were to meet up with others travelling on the Mayflower. William Bradford became the governor of the Plymouth Colony for over 30 years and chronicled the history of the settlement in his book entitled Of Plymouth Colony which records the first 30 years of the Plymouth Colony. He described the moving scenes when the Speedwell set sail from Delfshaven as follows:

‘Truly dolfull was the sight of that sade and mournfull parting: to see what sighs and sobs and praiers did sound amongst them, what tears did gush from every eye, and pithy speeches peirst each harte; that sundry of the Dutch strangers that stood on the key as spectators, could not refrain from tears.’ Source (much more):
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Everybody already knows.

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400 Years



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400TH ANNIVERSARY
400th anniversary of the Mayflower: The story of the passengers that built America — and shaped Britain
A small ship that set sail in 1620 would change the course of history, writes Mark Bridge

Thanks.

Interesting, missed this yesterday.

It really is. I had such a different view of the Pilgrim. In any event, their goal was God's Will. That is the true foundation of America, that got crafted out, over the years.