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Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's important to note that this is the very first time they've attempted this maneuver and there's a very high chance that it won't work the first time. For this to work, they have to successfully fire the engines using header tanks to provide fuel to the engines without sloshing during the belly flop maneuver. They've test fired the engines, but the dynamic situation of this test flight is going to be quite different than just testing them on a stand. SpaceX develops new rocket technology like the Falcon 9's ability to vertically land by repeatedly testing prototypes in flight, finding out what works and what doesn't. Either way though, when this thing lifts off the results will be exciting to watch. |
TheFeistyCadavar
User ID: 76353454 United States 12/08/2020 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? Last Edited by TheFeistyCadavar on 12/08/2020 07:53 AM |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72890115 United States 12/08/2020 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it true we cannot go any higher than around 60-70 miles in altitude ? Glass ceiling [link to www.instagram.com (secure)] |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later today, SpaceX will attempt to perform the first "belly flop" landing of Starship, the upper stage of their next rocket. The objective is to make that rocket completely reusable and capable of in-orbit refueling. The completed rocket will be the largest ever flown and will be capable of taking humans (as well as large amounts of equipment) to the moon and Mars. SpaceX has created a live stream for this test that is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. eastern time this morning, just over an hour from now. Here's a fan made animation illustrating what the test should look like. Humans are not going to the moon or Mars. #FlatEarth. Wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66290514 United Kingdom 12/08/2020 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later today, SpaceX will attempt to perform the first "belly flop" landing of Starship, the upper stage of their next rocket. The objective is to make that rocket completely reusable and capable of in-orbit refueling. The completed rocket will be the largest ever flown and will be capable of taking humans (as well as large amounts of equipment) to the moon and Mars. SpaceX has created a live stream for this test that is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. eastern time this morning, just over an hour from now. Here's a fan made animation illustrating what the test should look like. Humans are not going to the moon or Mars. #FlatEarth. Oh dear me. I'm guessing you're an anti vaxxer to? |
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User ID: 79722836 Ireland 12/08/2020 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This should be exciting. Minus the launch ramp they had in the movie, the SpaceX craft reminds me of the starship they had in "When World's Collide". After watching the animation, I'm a little concerned with the re-entry and landing of the vehicle, but it is a prototype so we'll see what we see. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79735287 Netherlands 12/08/2020 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who like to watch spaceX Boca Chica build and launch facility 24/7 and history in the making then LabPadre is the guy who provides coverage with 5 different camera's... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I watched it grow ever since starhopper, so cool... |
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TheFeistyCadavar
User ID: 76353454 United States 12/08/2020 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. Thank you again. I've been watching all of the development with my kids. I've known that a launch was imminent the last few days but they've been pushing it back, probably to hunt down any last minute "gremlins". They probably need to fix the big projectors on the inside of the earth's dome ( lol just a flat earth joke ). Honestly the starship development has been awesome for my daughter, it's really fostered a new direction towards the STEM fields and she now says, "that's what I want to do". She has really become laser focused on it and I've never seen her attack science and math ( especially math ) with such veracity. I told my son that there's a chance this thing should explode at some point so he's itching to see this thing blow up. Hahaha I'm personally hoping this thing does its thing. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79735287 Netherlands 12/08/2020 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. Thank you again. I've been watching all of the development with my kids. I've known that a launch was imminent the last few days but they've been pushing it back, probably to hunt down any last minute "gremlins". They probably need to fix the big projectors on the inside of the earth's dome ( lol just a flat earth joke ). Honestly the starship development has been awesome for my daughter, it's really fostered a new direction towards the STEM fields and she now says, "that's what I want to do". She has really become laser focused on it and I've never seen her attack science and math ( especially math ) with such veracity. I told my son that there's a chance this thing should explode at some point so he's itching to see this thing blow up. Hahaha I'm personally hoping this thing does its thing. They had to wait for flight permission... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78143447 United States 12/08/2020 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. I clicked the live link- it says 11:00 now... Thanks for the heads up! Is it launching in Florida? |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. I clicked the live link- it says 11:00 now... Thanks for the heads up! Is it launching in Florida? Boca Chica, Texas. and yeah I kind of expected this to happen, the time is going to keep shifting to the right. Honestly it may not even launch today but we'll see. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79735287 Netherlands 12/08/2020 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro, Quoting: TheFeistyCadavar Thanks for the reminder. Do you know the scheduled launch time by any chance? I don't know but it's likely to keep moving. This thing is a very early prototype and when testing it they often encounter glitches that require more time to resolve. Right now the live stream is set to go live at 9:00 a.m. and I heard a rumor that it's going to try to launch at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, 2 hours from now. I clicked the live link- it says 11:00 now... Thanks for the heads up! Is it launching in Florida? Boca Chica, Texas. and yeah I kind of expected this to happen, the time is going to keep shifting to the right. Honestly it may not even launch today but we'll see. Today is a good day to fly. They did another WDR yesterday. I see the changes for today well over 50%... Elon is always a bit optimistic with timelines though. |
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User ID: 49639223 United Kingdom 12/08/2020 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Incredibly little MSM coverage for what is possibly the biggest space test so far this century. I mean, we're talking about the future spaceship here, a real goddamn spaceship that can blast off go into space and land again! And all I see on the BBC is people celebrating some old bitch in a wheelchair getting an injection. "Don't hate the black, don't hate the white, if you get bitten, just hate the bite" Sly Stone 'We’re the middle children of history. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.' 'The world is a drama, staged in a dream' |
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Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's going to be entertaining no matter how it goes. https://twitter.com/_/status/1336111448536264704 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79735287 Netherlands 12/08/2020 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's going to be entertaining no matter how it goes. https://twitter.com/_/status/1336111448536264704 Yeah, totally possible. The SpaceX people don't mind though and can laugh about it. "How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster" [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79470017 United States 12/08/2020 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's important to note that this is the very first time they've attempted this maneuver and there's a very high chance that it won't work the first time. For this to work, they have to successfully fire the engines using header tanks to provide fuel to the engines without sloshing during the belly flop maneuver. They've test fired the engines, but the dynamic situation of this test flight is going to be quite different than just testing them on a stand. SpaceX develops new rocket technology like the Falcon 9's ability to vertically land by repeatedly testing prototypes in flight, finding out what works and what doesn't. Either way though, when this thing lifts off the results will be exciting to watch. Quoting: Astromut they have to have baffles in that fuel tank to mitigate the sloshing around, right? But perhaps even small movements of fuel could upset things. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 12/08/2020 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's important to note that this is the very first time they've attempted this maneuver and there's a very high chance that it won't work the first time. For this to work, they have to successfully fire the engines using header tanks to provide fuel to the engines without sloshing during the belly flop maneuver. They've test fired the engines, but the dynamic situation of this test flight is going to be quite different than just testing them on a stand. SpaceX develops new rocket technology like the Falcon 9's ability to vertically land by repeatedly testing prototypes in flight, finding out what works and what doesn't. Either way though, when this thing lifts off the results will be exciting to watch. Quoting: Astromut they have to have baffles in that fuel tank to mitigate the sloshing around, right? But perhaps even small movements of fuel could upset things. Baffles are designed to mitigate sloshing, but we're dealing here with a vehicle that will be belly flopping perpendicular to the long axis of the main fuel tank. Trying to initiate the landing burn from the main fuel tank would fail and baffles wouldn't much help. The sides of the tank probably become dead volume as far as the intakes are concerned in that orientation. Thus the landing burn has to use header tanks for the burn initiation instead. |
Watcher returns User ID: 65659217 United Kingdom 12/08/2020 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's important to note that this is the very first time they've attempted this maneuver and there's a very high chance that it won't work the first time. For this to work, they have to successfully fire the engines using header tanks to provide fuel to the engines without sloshing during the belly flop maneuver. They've test fired the engines, but the dynamic situation of this test flight is going to be quite different than just testing them on a stand. SpaceX develops new rocket technology like the Falcon 9's ability to vertically land by repeatedly testing prototypes in flight, finding out what works and what doesn't. Either way though, when this thing lifts off the results will be exciting to watch. Quoting: Astromut they have to have baffles in that fuel tank to mitigate the sloshing around, right? But perhaps even small movements of fuel could upset things. 1/3 chance the Raptors will reignite for a landing - Maintaining a consistent fuel supply when switching to the Header tanks will be more problematical. I'm much more interested in how SN8 will 'fly' - will the flaps give them a modicum of control? |