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(OP) User ID: 83700565 Thailand 06/18/2022 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You might try reading The Easy Way to Quit Smoking. It's directed around nicotine, ofc, but it seems fairly applicable to all addictions. Sugar, caffeine, nicotine. All things that "keep you" focused on this particular kind of perspective. It's like using DMT as a doorway to the world of machine elves and mantis people. Sugar, caffeine, etc. is a doorway to the world of false government. Quoting: SabAdo 58772605 Good analogy. Alot of people think they are sensing the metaphysical or unseen world when they do certain types of hard drugs. But really they're sensing the structure of the drug and how their senses respond to that structure to formulate reality. It's the same with food and drink. That is why food and drink were paramount in other times (before 1500, mostly) and healthy water, light, sound, and food was everywhere. So, it is the same with sugar. Using it, we sense the structure of the sugar and our reality is changed by it. ohhh this makes even more sense. Because it's not really the drug (or food or drink) that causes the change in perception; speaking from a physical interpretation, the molecule of the substance "activates" corresponding molecules that the brain/body all ready makes, but until the substance is introduced there's no reason for those brain/body molecules to be expressed in that combination It's a physical interpretation but this process happens metaphysically. (There are no molecules in the physicality we are experiencing now.) It works like a set of instructions. This is also how physical interaction takes place, though it isn't so obvious. Imagine your body as a population, with what you consume being a new dictate or law. The body then tries to duplicate the new law throughout the population, with varying degrees of success. In this way, it may be more healthy for your body to consume the same thing every day. That way your body can plan its resources more efficiently and know what to make when. (But, of course, if you're consuming something that isn't good for you then it can also be efficient at destroying your body and mind.) video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83700565 Thailand 06/18/2022 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is GENIUS! I love it, got my neurons firing. Particularly the bit about book of systems currency. Love love love Thanks. There's a lot more to come, if people like the format. We've only scratched the surface. +1 vote for more of the same Even a physical copy, perhaps Peecho might be an option: [link to www.peecho.com (secure)] video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83700565 Thailand 06/18/2022 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Builder When you step into the flow of your optimal Self, your body will tell you what to get rid of, much of what do to, etc. Like craving salmon when your body needs omega-3:) Yes. Much of this our bodies can make for itself, if we allow it. We really just need the basic fuels (i.e., a few simple foods and the right kind of water). It's what the 'palace of versailles' was all about, and many/most of the 'castles' and 'fortresses' around the world were. Relating this to the chapstick bit in the other comment, this makes a lot of sense (and Levi's family only drinking water and 'always eating'!) However, how do you get back to the natural bodily production? Once you get addicted to chapstick and decide to stop using it, your lips are very dry and painful for a while, while your body adjusts! So for the rest of the "healthy addictions," do you just have to endure some extreme discomfort while the body re-adjusts after quitting them? Or do you ween yourself off of it? (I don't think that makes sense, in Easy Way to Stop Smoking, every time you stop smoking your body begins to re-adjust and every additional cigarette or even drag starts the cycle back over) Your body also had to adjust to the crap but it may not have been realised at the time. Going back doesn't need to be all-at-once. It can be in stages as you say, to wean yourself towards a more fruitful diet. video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83700565 Thailand 06/18/2022 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went outside to access the meeting because it's very loud in my house. I lied down under a tree that had a couple solar-powered garden lights hanging from it. Anything I "saw" was incredibly fleeting. However, when I "came back," everything was so much more... dynamic. Real. When shifting even a little bit, even just with my breath, everything else moves so much! Walking under the branches (which are at my head height), the detail was amazing. They were just there. Pretty cool Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Now... how will you use this experience to produce something of value for yourself? video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76456747 United States 06/18/2022 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SabAdo 80635221 This is GENIUS! I love it, got my neurons firing. Particularly the bit about book of systems currency. Love love love Thanks. There's a lot more to come, if people like the format. We've only scratched the surface. +1 vote for more of the same Even a physical copy, perhaps Peecho might be an option: [link to www.peecho.com (secure)] Hooooooooooooo pricey!! Wishlist will have to suffice for now |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76456747 United States 06/18/2022 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sensing the structure... Quoting: Klyne Going long without food results in a fatigued, ornery state. Persisting this, what are possible outcomes? Physical death is a suitable replacement is not found. 40 days spent fasting done for humans that claimed it benefits...so the physicality is different but not gone. Which, we have found, is the most rational way to get the energies we need to sustain the physical perspective. We are also consuming (integrating) the structure of the food. Understood. Can there be a predictable duration after which material nutrient food dependency is cleared? Quoting: Klyne Ponder this question... What do you think you eat in your dreams? Is there hunger? (We do 'eat' and 'sleep' there, among other things.) No recall for dream feasting until just now written. Eating there, integrating with eaten. Digestive vehicle to new perspective. Sleeping? There? Why? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76456747 United States 06/18/2022 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ITS KLYNE 76511734 Well that explains it! However why are the clouds I see all resting on the same plane of atmospheric surface tension of air pressure resistance in a layer of the sky? :) And when I look across from zenith onto the horizon line why do I see the same clouds in a descending pattern where all of their underside is visible? Quoting: ITS KLYNE 76511734 They're on the same plane so why do i see their undersides as would be if their plane were curving? That is if my theorie about them resting on the same plan is true! And all that stuff. Idk meteorology Or science That's venturing into the metaphysical world. One of the most interesting topics, in my onions. The further out we look in space and time the more metaphysical our reality reveals itself to be. Well don't make my cry for onions. You're saying there's MOAR?? Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Clouds are metaphysical Then so is sun moon stars and weather movements. Even wind Say something about wind, there must be wind up there as well? Rain is physicalization of vapors into water droplets! And more! I dreamed dreams from the clouds eye view, there they are where I left them, fresh as ever Only, listless. That's why life physical is so much more exciting There's so much going on here Physical activity! (Haaaahahaha) |
Chief Heyoka Space Clown User ID: 1475160 United Kingdom 06/18/2022 05:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Little Spiritual Summary Meta also mean multiple meaning, instead of thinking one way, think of multiple ways. Human brain can never cope with the remembrance of multiple life's of the soul, let's alone rememmbering the whole lifetime of previous incarnation. The subconsciousness of the soul absorbs the experience, the superconsciousness of the spirit knows all things from the beginning, yet to the soul everything is a new experiences. So den when an old soul growing up sensing something amissed as one who cannot put a finger on the root of the problem, whilst sensing and observing from other souls around, and the soul metaphysicaly absorbed other online, and absorbing wise wisdom from the pure words at the same time avoiding the base, the soul metaphyscially connected the multiple dots at ease without half truths and half lies space junks flaoting within the Human brain. It is the every day prayers with sincere praise, blessing, love and thankfulness from the heart that is our spirit to our Almighy God that give us greater wisdom of knowledge and understanding for God loved us first and inspired us all. Like every one of you, I am also here to remind my brothers in Spirits what they already knows.. Wise words you got there as a wise old soul and a teacher of the LAw of One we got here. Are you trying to alternatively make me eat jelly? as long as it is not meaty, sugary and full of GMO fit for mankind onslaught! Yea, if only I knew not to eat meat.. anyway it is done for my soul had been washed with the blood of the lamb! And for this I had grabbed the impious by the balls before awakening and I don't even have an ancient four wheels polluted car.. [imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] Also—and I hate to suggest this because it sounds so mundane coming, as it were, from God, but—for God’s sake, take better care of yourself. You take rotten care of your body, paying it little attention at all until you suspect something’s going wrong with it. You do virtually nothing in the way of preventive maintenance. You take better care of your car than you do of your body—and that’s not saying much. Not only do you fail to prevent breakdowns with regular check-ups, once-a-year physicals, and use of the therapies and medicines you’ve been given (why do you go to the doctor, get her help, then not use the remedies she suggests? Can you answer Me that one?)—you also mistreat your body terribly between these visits about which you do nothing! You do not exercise it, so it grows flabby and, worse yet, weak from non-use. You do not nourish it properly, thereby weakening it further. Then you fill it with toxins and poisons and the most absurd substances posing as food. And still it runs for you, this marvelous engine; still it chugs along, bravely pushing on in the face of this onslaught. It’s horrible. The conditions under which you ask your body to survive are horrible. But you will do little or nothing about them. You will read this, nod your head in regretful agreement, and go right back to the mistreatment. And do you know why? I’m afraid to ask. Because you have no will to live. That seems a harsh indictment. It’s not meant to be harsh, nor is it meant as an indictment. “Harsh” is a relative term; a judgment you have laid on the words. “Indictment” connotes guilt, and “guilt” connotes wrongdoing. There is no wrongdoing involved here, hence no guilt and no indictment. I have made a simple statement of truth. Like all statements of truth, it has the quality of waking you up. Some people don’t like to be awakened. Most do not. Most would rather sleep. The world is in the condition that it’s in because the world is full of sleepwalkers. With regard to my statement, what about it seems untrue? You have no will to live. At least you have had none until now. If you tell me you’ve had an “instant conversion,” I will reassess my prediction of whatyou will now do. I acknowledge that my prediction is based on past experience. It was also meant to wake you up. Sometimes, when a person is really deeply asleep, you have to shake. I have seen in the past that you have had little will to live. Now you may deny that, but in this case your actions speak louder than your words. Communion With God - Free for all online The signs will be there for all to read When man shall do most heinous deed Man will ruin kinder lives By taking them as to their wives. And murder foul and brutal deed When man will only think of greed. And man shall walk as if asleep He does not look - he many not peep And iron men the tail shall do And iron cart and carriage too. The kings shall false promise make And talk just for talking's sake And nations plan horrific war The like as never seen before And taxes rise and lively down And nations wear perpetual frown. - Mother 'Elisha & Crazy Horse' Shipton When you sit down to eat with a leader, pay close attention to what has been set before your face, and put a knife to your throat, if, in such a way, you could hold your soul in your own power. Do not desire his foods, in which is the bread of deceit. Do not be willing to labor so that you may be enriched. But set limits by your prudence. Do not raise your eyes toward wealth that you are not able to have. For they will make themselves wings, like those of an eagle, and they will fly in the sky. Do not eat with an envious man, and do not desire his foods. For, like a seer and an interpreter of dreams, he presumes what he does not know. “Eat and drink,” he will say to you; and his mind is not with you. The foods that you had eaten, you will vomit up. And you will lose the beauty in your words. Do not speak into the ears of the unwise. They will despise the doctrine of your eloquence. Proverbs 23:1-9 |
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User ID: 80635221 United States 06/18/2022 06:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately, reality doesn't have wants or care what you want. It just goes by what makes sense and is relevant to the current conditions. Quoting: The Builder If you put away your feelings about it, what kind of want do you think that would leave you with? Unfortunately, "want" is a rather undefined word. I find most words are, in English. I was only using "want" to relate what I was saying to your The words to describe the kind of "want" I am left with when my emotions are put away, which they are at this point, don't exist in English in any succinct fashion. What's the difference between a "want" that someone doesn't do anything about and a "want" that causes an innovation that changes the entire world as we know it? Any "want" is an interpretation of relationships, like anything else, right? Likely, this "want" of mine is really an expression of myself wanting to uncover things that have been hidden from me (by me, ofc). Wanting to go back in time when everything in my experience and in my entire world tells me, on the surface, that's not possible? Ridiculous. Except it's not, because reality isn't quite how it's been portrayed and there's a part of me that knows it, and always knew it. This part that knows it expressed itself, so to speak, in the want, so the whole thing -- the circumstances that led to the want, the want, and all of the inquiry after the inception of the want (which was now) -- is all just a logical narrative for "me" discovering the vaster "me." The "want" is irrelevant unto itself, as are the emotions, both are just parts of the story. The story about finding out how the story came to be, I'd guess. But I don't see why the "original want" (vs the "want" it represents) can't be reconciled on the way, you know? Reality may only care about what makes sense and is relevant to the current conditions, but isn't kinda the whole thing that "what makes sense" is entirely arbitrary? That anything can make sense, given the right structure? The only "problem" here is that I don't understand how to build the structure. I'm learning though, though I don't have to. I want to :) |
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User ID: 80635221 United States 06/18/2022 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well there is much scat over in my corner. If I saw a psychiatrist right now, they'd probably define me as manic (though I do not agree with the vast majority of modern psychology), I'm all over the place. Come to think of it, most of the significant change in my life, both good and bad, has come in times where I've felt like this! Quoting: Sabai_Adonais "You seem fine. You don't need to come back. Enjoy your wonderful life," said no psychiatrist, ever. Like quantum physicists and so many others like them, it's their job to make up stuff. It pays the bills, and thensome. Which is why I don't see them :p psychotherapists seem to be coming around some, the last one I had's goal was expressed to be as few appointments as possible. I accidentally missed my last appointment and he hasn't even gotten in touch with me so there've been no more. The technique he used (EMDR) was useful and I can do it on my own, so that's wonderful. EMDR is fairly new. It could be tweaked to be more useful, I think and have found, but it seems there's a little give in the field in the attitudes towards wanting returning patients vs actually giving people tools |
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User ID: 80635221 United States 06/18/2022 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went outside to access the meeting because it's very loud in my house. I lied down under a tree that had a couple solar-powered garden lights hanging from it. Anything I "saw" was incredibly fleeting. However, when I "came back," everything was so much more... dynamic. Real. When shifting even a little bit, even just with my breath, everything else moves so much! Walking under the branches (which are at my head height), the detail was amazing. They were just there. Pretty cool Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Now... how will you use this experience to produce something of value for yourself? Ahhh, I don't know. I apologize for the rambling I'm about to do, lotta reiteration and integration going on, lol: From the perspective that I write this, the physical world (PW) and metaphysical world (MW) are separated. From the PW, by sleep. From the MW, by mechanisms unknown (to me). No idea what "sleep" looks like from the MW perspective. The meeting was a bridge between the two, a connection that wasn't incredibly obvious to my PW perspective, but it obviously had an effect. In the PW its easier to relate to things, in the MW its easier to interact with things. The experience is shallow in the PW but vibrant in the MW Tangent: which, that was sort of difficult for me to parse because that seems backwards, but I'm learning to do a LOT of "backwards thinking." Bc all of this is incredibly backwards from the PW perspective bc it's inversion. I'm getting so good at "backwards thinking" that it's almost forewards thinking, but not quite; that puts me in a REALLY difficult position at the moment. The metaphysical concepts still seem a bit backwards upon first read, but now everything I learned from the PW perspective also seems backwards. Makes it incredibly difficult to relate to either side; I feel like a pariah in the PW, I feel like an infant taking it's pre-steps in the MW. So I'm in this position where it's more difficult to relate (thus, more metaphysical) but not necessarily any easier to (consciously) interact (so, still very physical). Frustrating and interesting. Back on track: So, since it's easier to relate and shallow in PW and easier to interact and vibrant in MW, the evidence of everything being more vibrant after accessing the meeting suggests more MW interpretation. That's great! The question of how to use this to my advantage has an obvious answer of "have more 'meetings' (bridges) to merge the interaction and vibrancy with my current perspective," bc anything that I'm going to interpret as having value currently is going to need the metaphysical understanding. However, I'm not sure that I know how to construct a meeting (bridge). It's true as it can be that we chose some of the destination, but you set it up. You set it up with an agenda (baby steps to NooNet, from what I gather, which is great). You chose some of the symbols, the dragon and sound and blue flame, and I assume there was some reasoning to those that related to the agenda. So I can choose elements of surroundings to focus on (as exoself is surroundings) that align with metaphysical chaos and order, but I don't know how to choose the elements specific to my agenda. But I guess I can start just doing it willy nilly and see what happens as I go. Start a series of book of systems (BOS) entries on it. I guess that's how. Typing this out was helpful Last Edited by Sabai_ on 06/18/2022 09:27 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83032977 United States 06/18/2022 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does one distinguish between imagination and an actual metaphysical meeting? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83032977 Not to doubt the latter, it seems to be a certain possibility - just seems inaccessible with how calcified my pineal gland must be. Please allow me to re-frame the question to illustrate. "How does one distinguish between a dream and an actual physical experience?" You would sense certain qualities and characteristics that would identify it as a physical experience. For many of us, when we awaken, we do not know where we are and need a few moments to get our bearings. The consistency of the new world (the waking world) tells us where we are. Each experience has its own value. We, of course, place more weight on the physical experience but only while we are physical. In a dream we would place more weight on the dream experiences. Now, for your question. To distinguish between the imagination and an actual metaphysical meeting would be similar, and it is also about utility. A metaphysical experience would probably not be useful for shampooing your hair for 10 minutes, for example. An experience in your waking imagination would not be useful to communicate with someone a thousand miles away. It is only you that cares if something is 'real' because to your subconscious self (for lack of better terms) they are both real because they are both useful and can be focused on, perceived, etc. This event being metaphysical, it is far more about the process and concepts rather than doing something at a certain time. To exercise our metaphysical muscles, so to speak. You are 'there' as soon as you think about its characteristics. Your subconscious self all ready connects to it and knows how. It may not be useful to you in your physical experience directly but it may be very useful to your metaphysical experience. You may still be experiencing the 'event' but your physical brain is unaware. Green base/square, black ring, yellow top. These are the first baby steps to the NooNet. The real internet is in your mind and is something you can realise you are all ways connected to. Thank you, that makes sense. Three more questions. One, how does Time work within the metaphysical domain? The date was June 17th on the site; is one to assume the metaphysical is subconsciously held to the time of the physical realm? Thought time was another restraint/resistance that one may be able to shed. Two, is there a way to "merge" the metaphysical with the physical, the same way one merges "dream" and physical through Lucid Dreaming? Three, beyond diet (low-carb vegetarian), are there certain stones or foods and gems or other items that may assist in these baby steps? Also, I appreciate all of the content you put out on your sites. Reading through the Italian Job reveals to me how one "breaks through the geometric shape of a reality" which you wrote to another: one needs to focus on which isn't talked about but can be questioned and become possibility and has. To invert is quite an expedient toward this. In my previous conception, how race was formed and the qualities of skin was never questioned. When one inverts parts of that, a new reality is introduced. It's nice to have a different view on things! |
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(OP) User ID: 83707328 Thailand 06/18/2022 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sensing the structure... Quoting: Klyne Going long without food results in a fatigued, ornery state. Persisting this, what are possible outcomes? Physical death is a suitable replacement is not found. 40 days spent fasting done for humans that claimed it benefits...so the physicality is different but not gone. It's only 40 days. Of course they would feel what they did has benefits. Otherwise they would feel foolish. Those that felt foolish probably wouldn't talk about their experience. Can there be a predictable duration after which material nutrient food dependency is cleared? Quoting: Klyne Ponder this question... What do you think you eat in your dreams? Is there hunger? (We do 'eat' and 'sleep' there, among other things.) No recall for dream feasting until just now written. Eating there, integrating with eaten. Digestive vehicle to new perspective. Sleeping? There? Why? Dream food a vehicle to new perspectives, like in the waking world. Interesting. Sleep? To rest the metaphysical body, of course. But how would one fall sleep while dreaming? video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83707328 Thailand 06/18/2022 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Quoting: The Builder Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Clouds are metaphysical Then so is sun moon stars and weather movements. Even wind Say something about wind, there must be wind up there as well? The metaphysical world that we are shifting to has all of those things as a base layer of perspective. When our waking perspective reaches out in space and time, we sense the metaphysical world more. When our dreaming perspective reaches in within space and time, we sense the physical world more. The two worlds are the same. It's a matter of looking outward from a point of space and time (physical perspective) or perceiving inward in an envelope of space and time (metaphysical). The clouds, sun, etc., are there in both, but have different manifestations depending on the environment. Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Quoting: The Builder Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Clouds are metaphysical Then so is sun moon stars and weather movements. Even wind Say something about wind, there must be wind up there as well? Rain is physicalization of vapors into water droplets! And more! I dreamed dreams from the clouds eye view, there they are where I left them, fresh as ever Only, listless. That's why life physical is so much more exciting There's so much going on here Physical activity! (Haaaahahaha) Yes, physical activity can be quite exciting. That is why the Absolute pretends to divide itself. Either way is fine, but of course people assume that remembering yourself is "ascending" somehow. (When, in that context, the Absolute would be going in the opposite direction and trying to forget itself.) video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83707328 Thailand 06/18/2022 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately, reality doesn't have wants or care what you want. It just goes by what makes sense and is relevant to the current conditions. Quoting: The Builder If you put away your feelings about it, what kind of want do you think that would leave you with? Unfortunately, "want" is a rather undefined word. I find most words are, in English. I was only using "want" to relate what I was saying to your The words to describe the kind of "want" I am left with when my emotions are put away, which they are at this point, don't exist in English in any succinct fashion. What's the difference between a "want" that someone doesn't do anything about and a "want" that causes an innovation that changes the entire world as we know it? Any "want" is an interpretation of relationships, like anything else, right? Likely, this "want" of mine is really an expression of myself wanting to uncover things that have been hidden from me (by me, ofc). Wanting to go back in time when everything in my experience and in my entire world tells me, on the surface, that's not possible? Ridiculous. Except it's not, because reality isn't quite how it's been portrayed and there's a part of me that knows it, and always knew it. This part that knows it expressed itself, so to speak, in the want, so the whole thing -- the circumstances that led to the want, the want, and all of the inquiry after the inception of the want (which was now) -- is all just a logical narrative for "me" discovering the vaster "me." The "want" is irrelevant unto itself, as are the emotions, both are just parts of the story. The story about finding out how the story came to be, I'd guess. But I don't see why the "original want" (vs the "want" it represents) can't be reconciled on the way, you know? Wants are a kind of emotion, I guess, with little value unless put to action (as a "want"). Wants with drive behind it used to be called 'zeal', but that word has fallen out of common use. From my observations about humanity, most of what we want is to feel the want rather than to actually 'have' it. There could be more value in the wanting than pursuing the want, like a journey being sometimes more valuable than its destination. Reality may only care about what makes sense and is relevant to the current conditions, but isn't kinda the whole thing that "what makes sense" is entirely arbitrary? That anything can make sense, given the right structure? The only "problem" here is that I don't understand how to build the structure. I'm learning though, though I don't have to. I want to :) Quoting: Sabai_Adonais It is your perspective that determines what makes sense, not any outside authority such as 'God', the laws of physics, or the universe or whatever. You can make anything make sense as long as you have a logical narrative to string it all together. That's the point of The Genius, neuronics, and other things, including what I am doing on these threads. It is how reality is built. Sure you understand how to build it. You can't help but understand, as you do it every moment you perceive 'the next thing'. I think what traps most people is that they think they must start from somewhere. The starting point is wherever you are. It is whatever, and it doesn't matter. What matters is the path you draw from that arbitrary point. I'll give you a clue, using what I do. Purpose: To build a time travel machine to go back to 1755. Go Abouts: 1) create a story and think about the characters and plot; 2) illustrate how the characters solve the problem; 3) begin to find the characters in 'real life'; 4) introduce myself as a character in the story; 5) help carry out the plot; 6) see the story unfolding around me in the here and now. This is The Genius. It is building a small model of what you 'want'. Really, you're building the algorithm and can make modifications at any time. You can scale it up later and apply it to other things. Don't worry about how to start. Just start with something... anything, and then go from there :) video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 83707328 Thailand 06/18/2022 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Quoting: The Builder Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Ooooh that'd be fun! Metaphy issue 2 -How To Time Travel -The Real World of Giants and Dragons -what else? video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
The Builder
(OP) User ID: 83707328 Thailand 06/18/2022 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well there is much scat over in my corner. If I saw a psychiatrist right now, they'd probably define me as manic (though I do not agree with the vast majority of modern psychology), I'm all over the place. Come to think of it, most of the significant change in my life, both good and bad, has come in times where I've felt like this! Quoting: Sabai_Adonais "You seem fine. You don't need to come back. Enjoy your wonderful life," said no psychiatrist, ever. Like quantum physicists and so many others like them, it's their job to make up stuff. It pays the bills, and thensome. Which is why I don't see them :p psychotherapists seem to be coming around some, the last one I had's goal was expressed to be as few appointments as possible. I accidentally missed my last appointment and he hasn't even gotten in touch with me so there've been no more. The technique he used (EMDR) was useful and I can do it on my own, so that's wonderful. EMDR is fairly new. It could be tweaked to be more useful, I think and have found, but it seems there's a little give in the field in the attitudes towards wanting returning patients vs actually giving people tools How do we resolve, "Which is why I don't see them :p" with, "I accidentally missed my last appointment and he hasn't even gotten in touch with me so there've been no more" If he had gotten in touch with you, would there have been more? The whole field, along with other fields they focus on, also use a type of genius model. Anything can be made to make sense, given the right narrative. video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
SabAdo User ID: 80635221 United States 06/19/2022 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Quoting: The Builder Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Ooooh that'd be fun! Metaphy issue 2 -How To Time Travel -The Real World of Giants and Dragons -what else? How to deal with fear? Like the kind that can't be reasoned out of. For example, I have this visceral fear of "altered states of consciousness" (so to speak) that was "caused by" abusing a certain substance. Achieving altered states of consciousness with drugs causes a bodily panic response (so now I don't do drugs, who needs them anyway), but also so does being tired. After about 12 hours of being awake, everything around me gets a bit (or a lot) wibbly-wobbly and my body reacts as if I'm dying. Just massive panic attacks that I can't reason my way out of by telling myself there's nothing to fear from my own perceptions. Can't breathe, heart beats out of my chest, etc. This fear specifically is a pain for me because journeys into the metaphysical are liable to trigger the reaction, but a general "how to assuage/reinterpret fear" could be a good topic |
Sabai_Adonais
User ID: 80635221 United States 06/19/2022 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well there is much scat over in my corner. If I saw a psychiatrist right now, they'd probably define me as manic (though I do not agree with the vast majority of modern psychology), I'm all over the place. Come to think of it, most of the significant change in my life, both good and bad, has come in times where I've felt like this! Quoting: Sabai_Adonais "You seem fine. You don't need to come back. Enjoy your wonderful life," said no psychiatrist, ever. Like quantum physicists and so many others like them, it's their job to make up stuff. It pays the bills, and thensome. Which is why I don't see them :p psychotherapists seem to be coming around some, the last one I had's goal was expressed to be as few appointments as possible. I accidentally missed my last appointment and he hasn't even gotten in touch with me so there've been no more. The technique he used (EMDR) was useful and I can do it on my own, so that's wonderful. EMDR is fairly new. It could be tweaked to be more useful, I think and have found, but it seems there's a little give in the field in the attitudes towards wanting returning patients vs actually giving people tools How do we resolve, "Which is why I don't see them :p" with, "I accidentally missed my last appointment and he hasn't even gotten in touch with me so there've been no more" If he had gotten in touch with you, would there have been more? The whole field, along with other fields they focus on, also use a type of genius model. Anything can be made to make sense, given the right narrative. I don't see and have never seen psychiatrists, who want to diagnose and treat with medications. I have seen psychotherapists. Two in the last two years. Neither were interested in diagnoses or in referring me to psychiatrists for medicinal treatment. Psychology is the sister field to psychiatry, but it seems some in the field have an interest in trying to change it from the inside (I am not sure how well that method works, personally). It may be that the fields of psychiatry and psychology have a vested interest in making things up, and the top is filled with actors and such, but I don't think the people in my community in the field see it that way. They're just misinformed by the field controlled by actors and the like and doing their best. And I've found use in the tools they've given me. Perspective is likely telling me I don't need anything they have to offer, however. The first committed suicide, the second has not gotten back in touch with me. |
The Builder
(OP) User ID: 74340347 Thailand 06/19/2022 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went outside to access the meeting because it's very loud in my house. I lied down under a tree that had a couple solar-powered garden lights hanging from it. Anything I "saw" was incredibly fleeting. However, when I "came back," everything was so much more... dynamic. Real. When shifting even a little bit, even just with my breath, everything else moves so much! Walking under the branches (which are at my head height), the detail was amazing. They were just there. Pretty cool Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Now... how will you use this experience to produce something of value for yourself? Ahhh, I don't know. I apologize for the rambling I'm about to do, lotta reiteration and integration going on, lol: From the perspective that I write this, the physical world (PW) and metaphysical world (MW) are separated. [I'll annotate your thought process a bit, if you don't mind.] If there is sunlight coming into your room, the metaphysical world is quite close. If it's night-time, then there are probably stars above you. I'm still trying to find a way to express this in a way that makes sense. Our ancestors called these "gods" for lack of better terms. An appropriate term or concept seems to be just within my grasp. From the PW, by sleep. From the MW, by mechanisms unknown (to me). No idea what "sleep" looks like from the MW perspective. The meeting was a bridge between the two, a connection that wasn't incredibly obvious to my PW perspective, but it obviously had an effect. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais It's really just about making it interesting enough to see. My effort with Metaphy, Neuronics, etc., are part of that. There isn't really a bridge (since the two are the same) other than what we think might be. When we see something as a bridge we can think about using it as a bridge, even though it's not really needed. In the PW its easier to relate to things, in the MW its easier to interact with things. The experience is shallow in the PW but vibrant in the MW Quoting: Sabai_Adonais The first is more of Order, the second of Chaos. (Talking about how the realms are structured in our perspective.) Tangent: which, that was sort of difficult for me to parse because that seems backwards, but I'm learning to do a LOT of "backwards thinking." Bc all of this is incredibly backwards from the PW perspective bc it's inversion. I'm getting so good at "backwards thinking" that it's almost forewards thinking, but not quite; that puts me in a REALLY difficult position at the moment. The metaphysical concepts still seem a bit backwards upon first read, but now everything I learned from the PW perspective also seems backwards. Makes it incredibly difficult to relate to either side; I feel like a pariah in the PW, I feel like an infant taking it's pre-steps in the MW. So I'm in this position where it's more difficult to relate (thus, more metaphysical) but not necessarily any easier to (consciously) interact (so, still very physical). Frustrating and interesting. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Yes, and it wouldn't be too difficult to go insane thinking about these things. That is one reason I am cautious about how I explain it and try to keep a sense of humours about it. Back on track: So, since it's easier to relate and shallow in PW and easier to interact and vibrant in MW, the evidence of everything being more vibrant after accessing the meeting suggests more MW interpretation. That's great! The question of how to use this to my advantage has an obvious answer of "have more 'meetings' (bridges) to merge the interaction and vibrancy with my current perspective," bc anything that I'm going to interpret as having value currently is going to need the metaphysical understanding. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais You're sacrificing relationships for interactions, so the experiences are more fleeting. As we increase interactions here with technology (e.g., internet, vehicles, etc) and sacrifice relationships we are inverting the process and allowing the metaphysical world to become more obvious. That is why I say that the Cult is helping the process along in substantial ways. Their drive towards killing the Self ('transhumanism', etc) is what is bringing the metaphysical world to the fore. More meetings in the metaphysical world would not make more of a bridge, however. You could simply refer to the experience you had over and over, or build your own. Even thinking about it now produces its own type of meeting. However, I'm not sure that I know how to construct a meeting (bridge). It's true as it can be that we chose some of the destination, but you set it up. You set it up with an agenda (baby steps to NooNet, from what I gather, which is great). You chose some of the symbols, the dragon and sound and blue flame, and I assume there was some reasoning to those that related to the agenda. So I can choose elements of surroundings to focus on (as exoself is surroundings) that align with metaphysical chaos and order, but I don't know how to choose the elements specific to my agenda. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais You do it by just doing it :) You can work out the details after you 'just do it'. Don't think too much about the details, though. The more you apply physically-based reasoning and choices (such as planning it out too much) the less of an effect it may have, as the connection may not be there. But I guess I can start just doing it willy nilly and see what happens as I go. Start a series of book of systems (BOS) entries on it. I guess that's how. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Typing this out was helpful Yep, you've got it! video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
The Builder
(OP) User ID: 74340347 Thailand 06/19/2022 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's true as it can be that we chose some of the destination, but you set it up. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais I know that "you" is "not-as-relative-me," but the not-me that is you is at least two facts ahead of the me that is me, depending on the day :p Aye, depending on the day. video 7: <<The Easy Way to Become Psychic and Experience Flow>> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83620755 United States 06/19/2022 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, and it would be more interesting to many of the people here. It deals with giants, dragons, and things like that. Quoting: The Builder Perhaps I will illustrate some of that in Metaphy 2. Ooooh that'd be fun! Metaphy issue 2 -How To Time Travel -The Real World of Giants and Dragons -what else? How about: The Americas and the Erasure Of Most of the World's History and Historical Figures I Thank you |
Sabai_Adonais
User ID: 80635221 United States 06/19/2022 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wants are a kind of emotion, I guess, with little value unless put to action (as a "want"). Quoting: The Builder Wants with drive behind it used to be called 'zeal', but that word has fallen out of common use. We disagree on the value of emotions, which is fine. It may be as true as it can be that emotions are the gateway to chaos, but if reasons is to order as emotion is to chaos, there cannot be a balance without both. Emotion is informative, reason should be what is acted upon. Anger, depression, guilt, and shame are all friends of ours that let us know that we have needs that aren't being met. Wants are friends of ours that may let us know what we consider to be missing from our perspective. "Wants" are useful to let us know there is the potential for something to be unfolded. The resolve to unfold them turns them into zeals. From my observations about humanity, most of what we want is to feel the want rather than to actually 'have' it. There could be more value in the wanting than pursuing the want, like a journey being sometimes more valuable than its destination. Quoting: The Builder Sure, but that cannot unilaterally be the case, otherwise nothing would get done. I hunger, I find I want food. Sometimes even a specific food. If I just wanted to feel the want, I would never eat. If we classify "wants" with emotions, then they're informative and should be run through reason to be acted upon. Sometimes I want a specific food that is unhealthy for me, such as something sugary; that is informative that I am hungry and that I'm craving chaos or somesuch. Then, through reason, I can decide to eat something healthy and replace the craving for chaos in the form of sugar with something else less detrimental. It is your perspective that determines what makes sense, not any outside authority such as 'God', the laws of physics, or the universe or whatever. Quoting: The Builder If you're referring to earlier when I mentioned Neville Goddard saying that "all desires (wants) are of God," it may be important to note that his philosophy was self-authoritative and "God," as interpreted by him, was not an outside authority figure. Per him, the self is "God," and "God" is also the imaginative faculty. I don't think the latter is accurate per se, but not totally inaccurate. His "method" uses the imaginative faculty as a genius model. He was inaccurate that the imaginative faculty itself is "God," but the "forces" that make it an effective genius model -- perspective -- when applied in a certain way could be considered such. [snippies] Quoting: The Builder Sure you understand how to build it. You can't help but understand, as you do it every moment you perceive 'the next thing'. I think what traps most people is that they think they must start from somewhere. The starting point is wherever you are. It is whatever, and it doesn't matter. What matters is the path you draw from that arbitrary point. That is definitely my hangup I'll give you a clue, using what I do. Quoting: The Builder Purpose: To build a time travel machine to go back to 1755. Go Abouts: 1) create a story and think about the characters and plot; 2) illustrate how the characters solve the problem; 3) begin to find the characters in 'real life'; 4) introduce myself as a character in the story; 5) help carry out the plot; 6) see the story unfolding around me in the here and now. This is The Genius. It is building a small model of what you 'want'. Really, you're building the algorithm and can make modifications at any time. You can scale it up later and apply it to other things. Don't worry about how to start. Just start with something... anything, and then go from there :) Hmmm, this makes sense. I see where I've been going "wrong." I've been starting the story with myself in it. Thank you:) |
Sabai_Adonais
User ID: 80635221 United States 06/19/2022 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went outside to access the meeting because it's very loud in my house. I lied down under a tree that had a couple solar-powered garden lights hanging from it. Anything I "saw" was incredibly fleeting. However, when I "came back," everything was so much more... dynamic. Real. When shifting even a little bit, even just with my breath, everything else moves so much! Walking under the branches (which are at my head height), the detail was amazing. They were just there. Pretty cool Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Now... how will you use this experience to produce something of value for yourself? Ahhh, I don't know. I apologize for the rambling I'm about to do, lotta reiteration and integration going on, lol: From the perspective that I write this, the physical world (PW) and metaphysical world (MW) are separated. [I'll annotate your thought process a bit, if you don't mind.] I don't mind at all, infact it's quite useful bc it better relates the ideas I had to what you're trying to communicate, so I can have new ideas! :D If there is sunlight coming into your room, the metaphysical world is quite close. If it's night-time, then there are probably stars above you. Quoting: The Builder I'm still trying to find a way to express this in a way that makes sense. Our ancestors called these "gods" for lack of better terms. An appropriate term or concept seems to be just within my grasp. I HATE that sensation! (love/hate, actually, as there's usually a lot of gratification when it ends up "clicking") I call those "soap bubble thoughts," courtesy of The Golden Compass by Phillip Pullman: "The idea hovered and shimmered delicately, like a soap bubble, and she dared not even look at it directly in case it burst. But she was familiar with the way of ideas, and she let it shimmer, looking away, thinking about something else." Fantastic trilogy of books, I highly recommend them if you've got an inclination for fiction. They were my introduction to the idea of killing God as an authority figure at a very tender age. I probably wouldn't be on these threads if it weren't for those books. It was the second most requested book to be banned across America as of 2008, lol At any rate, I think I get that the dichotomy of awake=physical and asleep=metaphysical isn't accurate (which makes sense as they're an interpretation of the same thing). I'll let it shimmer for me, too, and look forward to your expression :) From the PW, by sleep. From the MW, by mechanisms unknown (to me). No idea what "sleep" looks like from the MW perspective. The meeting was a bridge between the two, a connection that wasn't incredibly obvious to my PW perspective, but it obviously had an effect. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais It's really just about making it interesting enough to see. My effort with Metaphy, Neuronics, etc., are part of that. There isn't really a bridge (since the two are the same) other than what we think might be. When we see something as a bridge we can think about using it as a bridge, even though it's not really needed. This makes sense In the PW its easier to relate to things, in the MW its easier to interact with things. The experience is shallow in the PW but vibrant in the MW Quoting: Sabai_Adonais The first is more of Order, the second of Chaos. (Talking about how the realms are structured in our perspective.) An other instance of "backwards thinking" for me, since the PW is of order but the experience is so chaotic, but the MW is of chaos but the experience (from what I've gathered so far) is more ordered. Makes sense now, though Tangent: which, that was sort of difficult for me to parse because that seems backwards, but I'm learning to do a LOT of "backwards thinking." Bc all of this is incredibly backwards from the PW perspective bc it's inversion. I'm getting so good at "backwards thinking" that it's almost forewards thinking, but not quite; that puts me in a REALLY difficult position at the moment. The metaphysical concepts still seem a bit backwards upon first read, but now everything I learned from the PW perspective also seems backwards. Makes it incredibly difficult to relate to either side; I feel like a pariah in the PW, I feel like an infant taking it's pre-steps in the MW. So I'm in this position where it's more difficult to relate (thus, more metaphysical) but not necessarily any easier to (consciously) interact (so, still very physical). Frustrating and interesting. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais Yes, and it wouldn't be too difficult to go insane thinking about these things. That is one reason I am cautious about how I explain it and try to keep a sense of humours about it. It's much more lonely than insane-making for me personally. Later you say there's the sacrifice of relationships for interactions, but so far (consciously) all I've experienced is a sacrifice of relationships for not a lot of gain in interactions. I'm perceiving the middle of a process, though, I would guess. And, I could see how it definitely could be insane-making Back on track: So, since it's easier to relate and shallow in PW and easier to interact and vibrant in MW, the evidence of everything being more vibrant after accessing the meeting suggests more MW interpretation. That's great! The question of how to use this to my advantage has an obvious answer of "have more 'meetings' (bridges) to merge the interaction and vibrancy with my current perspective," bc anything that I'm going to interpret as having value currently is going to need the metaphysical understanding. Quoting: Sabai_Adonais You're sacrificing relationships for interactions, so the experiences are more fleeting. As we increase interactions here with technology (e.g., internet, vehicles, etc) and sacrifice relationships we are inverting the process and allowing the metaphysical world to become more obvious. That is why I say that the Cult is helping the process along in substantial ways. Their drive towards killing the Self ('transhumanism', etc) is what is bringing the metaphysical world to the fore. This makes sense. I don't know if you know what TikTok is, but I think it's a fantastic example of what you're talking about here. It's a video-based social media platform that is particularly excellent at sacrificing relationships for interaction. I used it for, oh, a year, maybe? And from what I saw it was very easy to become incredibly reactionary and also very easy to interact with any number of different "content creators" and then with the various reactions in the comments. I definitely experienced becoming more reactionary, which wasn't pleasant in that form (hence, no longer using it). What is particularly incredible about it, though, is that it's algorithm is impeccable. It shows you more of the type of content you interact with, but it's insanely fine-tuned. With the development of such a spot-on algorithm, we're literally showing ourselves how we perceive more of what we interact with (as is the case with all social media platforms, TikTok is just a particularly good example). Most don't see that they're choosing to see things that make them incredibly angry over and over and over again and could curate their experience to be only what they're actually interested in, but that's part of it as well, I'd think. Those who will see, will see, those that will not will just continue to enjoy being angry (and perpetuating what they're angry about). More meetings in the metaphysical world would not make more of a bridge, however. You could simply refer to the experience you had over and over, or build your own. Even thinking about it now produces its own type of meeting. Quoting: The Builder This makes sense [snippies] Quoting: The Builder Don't think too much about the details, though. The more you apply physically-based reasoning and choices (such as planning it out too much) the less of an effect it may have, as the connection may not be there. Thank you for putting it like that, that's incredibly helpful and makes sense:) Last Edited by Sabai_ on 06/19/2022 01:52 AM |
SpawnX
User ID: 82736536 United States 06/19/2022 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Metaphy issue 2 Quoting: The Builder -How To Time Travel -The Real World of Giants and Dragons -what else? - Inversion, reflection, and opposites attract, oh my. - + Something related to Markets. Not on their product. The the image, the reflection showing the frog's eye open, I like. [link to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com (secure)] Inversion vs reflection vs opposite, it's all a mixed bag for me right now. I am trying my best not to ask about any hot hot market stuff. Summer solstice coming in red hot, so I wait :) Catching myself thinking about how 'Sense of physical Self' is me looking outwards into the world, and then thinking what is coming inwards to me right now? ( To catch a connection to the... meta. Last Edited by SpawnX on 06/19/2022 03:03 AM |
Sabai_Adonais
User ID: 80635221 United States 06/19/2022 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Metaphy issue 2 Quoting: The Builder -How To Time Travel -The Real World of Giants and Dragons -what else? - Inversion, reflection, and opposites attract, oh my. - + Something related to Markets. Not on their product. The the image, the reflection showing the frog's eye open, I like. [link to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com (secure)] Inversion vs reflection vs opposite, it's all a mixed bag for me right now. Oh good one, mixed bag for me too I am trying my best not to ask about any hot hot market stuff. Summer solstice coming in red hot, so I wait :) Quoting: SpawnX MOASS is always tomorrow (on business days) :) Though I am curious about, if it does happen, what the effects will be. GameStop's wanting, apparent-ly, to introduce blockchain as a major way of exchanging goods (and services of some ilk). I can see how social media and the up and coming "transhumanism" push bring the metaphy to the fore, I'm curious about the place of NFTs and the blockchain in the equation Catching myself thinking about how 'Sense of physical Self' is me looking outwards into the world, and then thinking what is coming inwards to me right now? ( To catch a connection to the... meta. Quoting: SpawnX Oh that's a mind boggle Last Edited by Sabai_ on 06/19/2022 03:30 AM |