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Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

 
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Focusing on the possibilities that are organizing in front of me. Wrapping my mind around them. Playing them out some. It feels like big decisions and I want to make the ‘right’ one for me. It’s not always easy.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Give me an example of the most difficult decision you could possibly imagine, along with 3 choices, and we'll see how easy we can make it. Then, perhaps, you can use it as a decision-making heuristic going forward.

Anyone else is welcome to do the same.
 Quoting: The Builder


The most difficult? Leaving my husband: I could stay. I could go. 3rd option?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

May I ask, what were the three options for that scenario?

1. Leave?
2. Stay?
3. something else?
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If this doesn't sound good to someone they can, at any time, choose differently. It won't just be a single choice, but a life of particular kinds of choices over 3+ months

 Quoting: The Builder


That person would then “disappear” from his or her loved ones and colleagues, I presume.
It sounds to me like one would have to live without access to one’s:
- money
- car/transport
- tech job
- communication gadgets
- access to heating via electricity/gas
- grocery shopping in malls

One would need to
- find a spot to live in a rural region
- in order to get to know the farmers there, to buy groceries from
- learn to live frugal, from the land

In order to get that in this society, one needs money to buy a plot of land to do that on.

I still don’t see how I can get there from here, and whether my assumptions are correct.

I DO see though that my choices matter, and shape my world and fate.
So I am making choices consciously, however little, in that direction.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

Nothing like that. By 'disappear' I just mean that, to them, you would become irrelevant, as they would from your perspective.

From your perspective, people may seem to die, move away, etc. But they will still (mostly) live on in their own world.

Same from their perspective.
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Do they have pollution and gross water?
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Can you clarify what you mean by either?
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Have they mismanaged their resources? Or do they live more in harmony with their environment?
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Focusing on the possibilities that are organizing in front of me. Wrapping my mind around them. Playing them out some. It feels like big decisions and I want to make the ‘right’ one for me. It’s not always easy.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Give me an example of the most difficult decision you could possibly imagine, along with 3 choices, and we'll see how easy we can make it. Then, perhaps, you can use it as a decision-making heuristic going forward.

Anyone else is welcome to do the same.
 Quoting: The Builder


The most difficult? Leaving my husband: I could stay. I could go. 3rd option?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

May I ask, what were the three options for that scenario?

1. Leave?
2. Stay?
3. something else?
 Quoting: The Builder


Yes.

I couldn’t think of what option 3 could be in this scenario. You asked for the most difficult decision I could possibly imagine. This is it. I thought sleeping on it might have made it obvious. But no, I have no idea what that ‘something else’ is.
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The difficult question then becomes, "Why did I choose this for myself?"

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How do you answer this? If you'd like to share how you personally answer that in the face of the things you shared you may, I am interested, but I also mean more broadly.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

I didn't have the pleasure of such a question at the time. I was too busy looking for solutions and making improvements. The only time when I considered something like that was a few months after my mom died. I then reasoned that it was a kind of shake up, to light a fire in the belly and 'do something with my life', with her as an example of the route to take.

There are tonnes of ways to answer that question, I assume some more usefully than others. Some answers to 'why did I choose suffering for my self' that come to mind are 'because that is how I sense being alive,' 'so that I may know the meaning of pleasure,' 'because I deserve it,' or 'because I don't deserve anything else, even if may be I don't deserve the suffering.'

The formermost seems most relevant to this content, but I don't see how to use it. I can look back on my suffering and experience relatively present suffering and know that that is because that is how I sense being alive, but I'm not sure how to change how I sense being alive

 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

From the words you use alone, I would wonder if you might find satisfaction in it. It does not need to be interpreted as 'suffering' at the time, of course.
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Congrats to the people of yet an other country for electing yet an other Rh-negative playing dress-up and leading them to _______.

/sarcasm
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Now why would I choose that to happen in my perspective?
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May I have some homework? 'Write a story [about the reality of the thing you'd like to perceive]' is even still too broad for me. [snipples]
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Sure. Four paragraphs under the title, "What I Find In Chaos and Dramas"

No sense of alternates of decisions (as none are had) but a sense for, you could say, where the current logical narrative is at.

"All things considered, what is reality now pregnant with, coming out of the folds?"

It is a sense for what something looks like beyond the obvious. A floor might look the same from moment to moment but with more of a sense you can see how the floor relates to different things and what forces are building up pressure 'within' it. Some things are much more relative to it than others.

If I, for example, see that the floor under my feet has Chaos building up in it and it is relating more to the glass of juice on the table, then I would say that all roads lead to the glass falling on the floor. I could make a chair fall onto it and see if this pressure is released, and it may be, but at that moment the floor will have related more to the chair than the glass. These are not different pathways but the one logical narrative of reality. I tend to look at the intensity of relationships and what pressures abound when thinking about what 'will' happen, but there are no other paths. If the chair falls to the floor then the glass doing so was never a possibility because it was only a relationship that may have intensified if only there was an impetus for it in relation to the pressure.

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I see. I'd very much like to develop such a sense. I've had tiny tastes of it, I suppose, generally in conversation with people though.

How might one act maturely in relation to this sense so it may avail itself?

My apologies if this is confusing. If I can think of a better means of expression I will reply to this again.

 Quoting: The Builder


Actually, that with the addition of this:

If a direct experience, it could be as simple as someone who likes to make silly faces in the mirror and then have crazy conversations with themselves. This helps to relieve the pressure of Chaos and channel it in a way that they control at times of their choosing. "Drama" could be whatever they want, as long as it has chaotic aspects in it, such as putting on pants backwards and walking around, doing something unexpected, saying stupid things to your friends, reading a book upside down, shuffling papers 500 times, building a fort and creating dramas about it, getting lots of pencils and putting them on the floor, etc.

Satan is "too much of something you don't need". Do this for yourself in order to see it not done to yourself by seemingly external forces.
 Quoting: The Builder


Makes perfect sense. I'd like to know more about it so if you want to express more about it I'm all eyes, but it makes sense all ready.

It sounds like maturity was demonstrated, as you chose to experience it while, perhaps, believing or at least seeing that it would not be a good experience for you.

However...:) it was an experience all ready satisfied, so I think it may have been 'unpleasant' because perhaps you thought that your sense of the future together was a sign that you should be together rather than knowing 'Oh, I've done this already' regardless of whether or not it would have been a good experience.

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Oh, how things would've been different had that been how I interpreted senses like the one I described or even imaginings as in the bold.

But then, that raises a question about the maturity issue. I've gathered that 'maturity' in using sense means choosing things that may not be pleasant, the conscious mind considered, and it was mature to 'go through with' the experience despite the sense that it wouldn't necessarily be pleasant

[Sidenote]

At the time, I don't suppose I interpreted 'the future outcome' that I saw as being either pleasant or unpleasant, just as something that would happen. It was concerning a boy (I'll call him Benny for later reference) who had shown lots of interest in me, said he wasn't ready for a real relationship after lovebombing me for a month and a half, and then got into a long-term (for our ages at the time) relationship 2ish weeks later. What I 'saw' was that he would leave her for me again, and I found the notion incredibly funny in a morbid, vindictive, somewhat sanctimonious way.

But I don't mean quite as dramatic as all of those words, though. My new word is 'tenstic' (adjective), something that is funny in a self-satisfied, light-hearted way that feels as though the universe and all the cosmic forces aligned for a little bit (or a lot of bit) of a laugh. Setenstic is when that laugh concerns things that are pleasant, tutenstic when the laugh concerns things that are not so pleasant, though there's elements of both pleasant and unpleasant and irony in either case. Setenstic and tutenstic describe ratio of pleasant to unpleasant, I suppose. The 'vision' was setenstic, as such an outcome would have been incredibly vindicating all details considered. The feeling that I got when my now-partner started flirting with me when I had the year prior had the thought "he'll be interested in me once I lose interest," and that's exactly what happened, was also setenstic.

Once, after the unpleasantness that was Benny and I's relationship occurred and I was none too fond of seeing him, I was pulling into the parking lot of a store and had the thought "wouldn't it be funny if Benny were here?" The feeling I got after I walked in the store and heard his voice was definitely tutenstic.

Any way, the contents of the 'vision' about Benny breaking up with the other girl for me weren't themselves pleasant or unpleasant (though the feeling engendered by the vision was setenstic) or necessarily indicative of either, but considering the details it was may be obvious that the relationship wouldn't be pleasant, though

[/Sidenote]

BACK TO THE QUESTION OF MATURITY. If maturity in using sense means choosing things that may not be pleasant, then choosing to go forward with the relationship with Benny when he did leave the other girl in interest of me was mature.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Maturity, as I used it, is not <<choosing things that may not be pleasant>> but the ability to choose what may be most useful, regardless of emotions.

Or to do something that you would not want or like, for the sole purpose of it having benefit in your immediate reality, without having to consider it.

How ever, had I interpreted such 'visions' or other kinds of imaginings as 'oh, that's all ready happened,' would it still have been mature to go through with it or would it have been more mature to choose a different narrative?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Yes :)

If you see that the pressures in reality are leading toward your house burning down, would a mature use of the sense be burning your hand to relieve the pressure?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

No, that would just be senseless. You could let the toast in the toaster burn until smoke fills the air, for example.

Also, why is seeing less than believing?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

I believe that you're referring to this:

<<It sounds like maturity was demonstrated, as you chose to experience it while, perhaps, believing or at least seeing that it would not be a good experience for you.>>

Belief is more longevity-based and therefore relevant, whereas one could see new things every moment that have little relevance.
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That way of thinking reminds me of that Nestle CEO who wanted to patent drinking water, making everybody pay to use water.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

So, kind of like what people are doing now.

I'm sure the active Cult is looking for ways to make freshwater seem more scarce. I hope the many big desalinisation plants across the world stay out of the news.
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Do they have pollution and gross water?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Can you clarify what you mean by either?
 Quoting: The Builder


Have they mismanaged their resources?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

An example from this Earth might help. What is a resource here that you see as mismanaged, if any?

Or do they live more in harmony with their environment?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

One is all ways in perfect harmony with one's environment, even when it does not appear to be so.

An environment is still in one's interpretation of reality, of course.
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Give me an example of the most difficult decision you could possibly imagine, along with 3 choices, and we'll see how easy we can make it. Then, perhaps, you can use it as a decision-making heuristic going forward.

Anyone else is welcome to do the same.
 Quoting: The Builder


The most difficult? Leaving my husband: I could stay. I could go. 3rd option?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

May I ask, what were the three options for that scenario?

1. Leave?
2. Stay?
3. something else?
 Quoting: The Builder


Yes.

I couldn’t think of what option 3 could be in this scenario. You asked for the most difficult decision I could possibly imagine. This is it. I thought sleeping on it might have made it obvious. But no, I have no idea what that ‘something else’ is.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Which is the option that you could sustain for the longest period of time that benefits your person and does not directly harm others?

Of course there is a third option.
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Congrats to the people of yet an other country for electing yet an other Rh-negative playing dress-up and leading them to _______.

/sarcasm
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Now why would I choose that to happen in my perspective?
;-)
 Quoting: Tuuur 2291000

Communism (the so-called anti-christ) has all ways been against human being. It's the narrative of the internal battle for the Self.

<<To be or not to be>>

We are all experiencing that narrative in some form.

But congrats on having a prime minister that at least looks like his intended gender and isn't married to a thing.

Let's find him a wife, though. Europe seems to prefer unmarried 'leaders' for some reason.
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Intrigued by the Earth 3 question, I could not find the original post back where it was mentioned the first time.

Do we have a counterpart over there as well? Is there communication possible, comparable with Earth 2?
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Do they have pollution and gross water?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Can you clarify what you mean by either?
 Quoting: The Builder


Have they mismanaged their resources?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

An example from this Earth might help. What is a resource here that you see as mismanaged, if any?
 Quoting: The Builder


Here in California, I would say water.
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The most difficult? Leaving my husband: I could stay. I could go. 3rd option?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

May I ask, what were the three options for that scenario?

1. Leave?
2. Stay?
3. something else?
 Quoting: The Builder


Yes.

I couldn’t think of what option 3 could be in this scenario. You asked for the most difficult decision I could possibly imagine. This is it. I thought sleeping on it might have made it obvious. But no, I have no idea what that ‘something else’ is.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Which is the option that you could sustain for the longest period of time that benefits your person and does not directly harm others?

Of course there is a third option.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think it would help if I knew what option 3 is. I’ll think on this today while I clean.
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What’s the reason for not wanting to discuss this, if I may? Agree its high-level territory however also seems key.
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It's about things that, by nature of our being in human form, we want to hide from ourselves so that we can continue to experience our reality.

Understanding these things would, in my opinion, drive 99% or more to insanity if they are holding on to the physical world, as nearly all of us do.

There is little benefit beyond the satisfaction of curiosity, if even that because it would likely raise more questions.

If we relate it to everything after all, even the choices of the newborn baby come into play. How could it ever have turned out any other way to this point, all things considered? The sins of the father, etc.
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Our current reality is 100% the way we are interpreting it now. It has nothing to do with the past (or future). What we know is the past is a present interpretation of an aspect of our reality that is no longer as relevant.

However, we can see a logical narrative of how our conditions or experiences have come about. This helps us to make sense of our reality and, importantly, helps us to find meaning in it to keep our mind occupied. Yet those things that make up the narrative, too, are folded in the current perspective and are entirely dependant on them.

I’m not sure I want to discuss either. You seem to be more sure than I on the rules and I’d like to make my own at this point. You’ve been huge a huge part of the last countless years though, and I owe you so much gratitude. I still feel we can stay on the same path despite that as I’m seeing I can relate to others while still holding onto my Self. Or some such thing that is hard to word…
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Yes. They would distract heavily from the most important --- and exportant, as we radiate our choices outwards to our reality -- things:

1) Learning to see your Self in others and not being distracted with what appears to be going on outside of your immediate reality. (Easily done by interacting with your immediate environment and those within.) And, knowing the simple thought that you are what you perceive.

2) Considering every word, thought, and action as an expression of what you want to experience throughout your life (as you do) and knowing that you are the author of your reality and 'God' (or whatever you want to call it) is the author of you.

3) Chaos and Order are necessary to experience reality. Find some equilibrium by being cognisant of what kinds of Chaos and Order you are perceiving and experiencing outside your body and within it. (What you perceive you are choosing to interpret.)

For the three above, all that is needed is all ready had.
 Quoting: The Builder


I feel there can be benefit to understand it a certain amount. It explains a lot, after all. Once a certain level of understanding is reached however, perhaps indeed its best to let it be. A forgetting needs to happen if a new paradigm is to be had.

Right now, it seems enough to make conscious choices each moment to forge that. Its taken me a long time to be conscious most of the time! Aside from sleep - which I will add as an aside question. At some point I expect to be able to put down the reins more than likely, once things have been picked and straightened out, etc. Cautiously though as I don’t want to lose steer entirely!!

So, on the point of dreams. The ones I remember now seem to have a direct correlation with physical reality. It seems more of a “playground” and like im less afraid for it to then translate in some way.

I used to want to lucid dream, but im wondering now if I see the value? I know I’m just as “conscious” in Dreamtime as I am now, and lucidity seems to be my Self taking control. It feels more apt to let my dreaming Self play through the patterns. Those closest to waking life will be remembered it seems.

It feels of more value to allow that dreaming Self more input in physical life rather than the other way around!!
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"Pale" actually meant that you hard very dark skin, previously. The term meant 'without color', which is "black" (or bleek, blaec, blanche, and other terms). Someone with more African features was described as "ugly" by others with even darker skin. This description and eventual slighting was more about the person's physiognomy resembling an African's.

"Fair" meant what we call white skin today. It was usually applied to New world women, the "fairer sex", because their skin would get lighter as they got older from the application of their beauty products, and the contrast with their husbands and their own parents was noticeable.

A great many popular books talk about the social changes that were going on around the world at the time; the conflict between the Old and New worlds. Jane Austen has at least 6 terms for different skin colours, mostly applied to the dark skin of her characters, and how the world was changing because of 'The Enlightenment'.
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This is fascinating. I was very interested in the sections of the old site where you went into some of this. I remember at some point reading some of the debates about Jane Austin’s use of ‘brown’ tones in her descriptions and the different ways it was explained away. The inside vs the outside of an almond etc lol

I just notice more and more how manipulated even recent ‘history’ is. It helps the we are actually going from more indelible attempts at record keeping to less… Most of us are just one wipe of the cloud from ever having existed…
Shrug…just another good reminder to give the most weight to what we directly experience.

Maybe I should be more incensed about it but I am super tired lately. Sleeping ‘well’ and for a good duration but it seems like I am very busy in the dreamworld and not feeling well rested as a result.
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I actually made time today to do my homework. It was hard to do all that on only one page - might have gone over. Not quite as dramatic and such but I did it.

Piper’s story:

It was early in the morning and the sun was just beginning to rise. The twilight breaking. Piper rolled over in bed and peered out her window. She was dreading today. She barely slept. Tossing and turning with anticipation. She was starting her first day at a new art school. She wondered would she find her people. Would they be kind? She really wanted to go to her old school but her parents had different ideas.

At the age of 15, she really didn’t have a say. She crawled out of bed and made her way to the shower. Her cat, Einstein, was none too pleased. She got dressed, put her bright red hair in a Viking braid, laced up her Doc’s and made her way downstairs. Her mom was waiting in the kitchen with pancakes ready and a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice. She wasn’t really that hungry, the nerves had taken over.

It was time to go. She grabbed her backpack and cello and made her way to the car. Her Mom and her rode in silence, which she appreciated. They had argued enough already. She really resented her parents for making her change schools. She understood that it was a great opportunity, she just didn’t want to start over again. This was her third school in 5 years.

She could see the school gates up ahead. She got butterflies in her stomach. A large gathering of kids were outside the main building. Loitering about, waiting for the bell to ring. Her mom pulled up to the stairs and told her to a have a good day and that everything would be ok. To just be herself. Piper stepped out and grabbed her cello from the back and made her way up the stairs. She knew no one. She found a spot to chill, sat back and people watched.

She was a wicked sharp girl. Excelled academically and musically. She was also striking. She was about 5’9” with fire red hair, green eyes, porcelain skin and light freckles. Other kids tended to be intimidated by her. It usually took her some time to forge meaningful friendships.

As she was standing there watching everyone, this one girl in particular caught her eye. She had an air about her. But Piper wasn’t feeling confident just yet.

The bell rang. A rush of students made their way through the doors. Piper waited. She wasn’t exactly sure where she was going, fumbling with her papers, trying to figure it out. She bumped into someone, she looked up and it was that girl. She smiled broadly and said, “Hi. My name is Mave. You’re new here, right?” Piper just nodded. “You know where you’re going?” Mave looked at Piper’s schedule and said, “Follow me!” Room 321. Mr. Stevens classroom. She told Mave thanks and entered the class.

Everyone was staring at her. The new girl. She put her cello in the back and took a desk towards the middle. She had boys to the front and back of her and girls to the side. She smiled at them as she sat.

She slouched down in her desk, keeping to herself as Mr. Stevens brought the class to attention. It was a class called Morning Meeting. She didn’t know what to expect. Mr. Stevens told everyone to introduce themselves.

Piper never minded being on stage with her cello but hated public speaking. Her voice would quake, palms sweaty. This was always the worst part, the introduction. She didn’t like the eyes on her. When it was her turn, she stood up and looked around the room. Said her name, where she came from, and listed off her hobbies: cello, singing, and painting. She was so relieved to sit back down.

As she did, the boy in front of her, named Theo, turned and gave her a welcoming smile. She was beginning to feel a bit more at ease. She realized as everyone went around the room telling their stories that she had much in common with them. They all had a love of the arts in one way or an other. Most had their own unique flair. Their own styles.

It was only the first day but she thought that her parents could possibly be right. That surprised her.



What do I do now?

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Intrigued by the Earth 3 question, I could not find the original post back where it was mentioned the first time.

Do we have a counterpart over there as well?
 Quoting: Tuuur 2291000

No counterpart, as 2 has for those here on 1.

3 is a kind of equilibrium between the extreme Chaos of 1 (here) and extreme Order of 2.

Is there communication possible, comparable with Earth 2?
 Quoting: Tuuur 2291000

The communication between 1 and 2 is in multiple forms, mostly in things like inventions, methods, systems, definitions, and to/from one's counterpart. Bitcoin, for example, was first used on the second Earth and described in my original post about 13 years ago when it was being introduced here.

Metis has worked to implement some of these more, er, 'extreme Order' aspects such as Bitcoin from 2 to help set the stage for the merging, or equilibrium between 1 and 2, resulting in 3.
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Can you clarify what you mean by either?
 Quoting: The Builder

Have they mismanaged their resources?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

An example from this Earth might help. What is a resource here that you see as mismanaged, if any?
 Quoting: The Builder


Here in California, I would say water.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

If the results of the supposed mismanagement are by design, then could we say that it is being managed well according to the intention?

California is the first place that comes to my mind if I was to think of a place that manages its water resources, and access to those resources, well for the purposes of building up a water crisis narrative aligned with the 'green' (communist, anti-human) agenda. This could be considered severe abuse of resources because the purpose goes against our own humanity.

The ultimate intention of the active Cult is to manage each person's perspective. This is done by alinear warfare against populations, mass propaganda, individualised propaganda, etc., so that you are not sure what reality is and lose your sense of identity, history, culture, tradition, and Self so that you can be managed more easily.

Water and other 'resources' are no different, as they are an intimate part of human reality. The Cult are actively re-defining what water is, how it is used, what rights and permissions are available, etc.

We may not agree with how something is managed, and in this case it could very well be considered evil and anti-human, but for their intentions they are managing well.

On the second Earth, you could say that there is a mismanagement of resources but in a different way in that so-called natural resources are used too efficiently, which does not consider the necessary processes essential for each to reach a kind of 'maturity' and health.
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Which is the option that you could sustain for the longest period of time that benefits your person and does not directly harm others?

Of course there is a third option.
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I think it would help if I knew what option 3 is. I’ll think on this today while I clean.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Perhaps it may help to make a mind map of different options. Set aside your feelings about things for a while and focus on these qualities:

1. sustainable for long periods of time. Say, 1+ year. This could also go in cycles. For example, 1 month on, then one month off, then repeat, sustained for 1+ year.

2. benefits you in some way. Nevermind how it benefits others, as in nearly all cases you don't really know what would truly benefit others in their lives and can only make assumptions about their perspective.

3. does not directly harm others. There is a wide variety of indirect harm, much of which we can only presume. It's easier to focus on direct harm, which can be carefully-considered, as you may think something harms someone else when it may just be that that person isn't sure and it would actually be beneficial to them. (An example might be extracting a tooth or telling them to get rid of a toxic person that they love dearly.)

The trick of emotions is giving them a structure of your design to play inside of. As emotional beings we allow emotions to rule without consideration of any structure to them whatsoever, as we would want just about everything else in our lives to have some kind of.
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What’s the reason for not wanting to discuss this, if I may? Agree its high-level territory however also seems key.
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It's about things that, by nature of our being in human form, we want to hide from ourselves so that we can continue to experience our reality.

Understanding these things would, in my opinion, drive 99% or more to insanity if they are holding on to the physical world, as nearly all of us do.

There is little benefit beyond the satisfaction of curiosity, if even that because it would likely raise more questions.

If we relate it to everything after all, even the choices of the newborn baby come into play. How could it ever have turned out any other way to this point, all things considered? The sins of the father, etc.
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Our current reality is 100% the way we are interpreting it now. It has nothing to do with the past (or future). What we know is the past is a present interpretation of an aspect of our reality that is no longer as relevant.

However, we can see a logical narrative of how our conditions or experiences have come about. This helps us to make sense of our reality and, importantly, helps us to find meaning in it to keep our mind occupied. Yet those things that make up the narrative, too, are folded in the current perspective and are entirely dependant on them.

I’m not sure I want to discuss either. You seem to be more sure than I on the rules and I’d like to make my own at this point. You’ve been huge a huge part of the last countless years though, and I owe you so much gratitude. I still feel we can stay on the same path despite that as I’m seeing I can relate to others while still holding onto my Self. Or some such thing that is hard to word…
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Yes. They would distract heavily from the most important --- and exportant, as we radiate our choices outwards to our reality -- things:

1) Learning to see your Self in others and not being distracted with what appears to be going on outside of your immediate reality. (Easily done by interacting with your immediate environment and those within.) And, knowing the simple thought that you are what you perceive.

2) Considering every word, thought, and action as an expression of what you want to experience throughout your life (as you do) and knowing that you are the author of your reality and 'God' (or whatever you want to call it) is the author of you.

3) Chaos and Order are necessary to experience reality. Find some equilibrium by being cognisant of what kinds of Chaos and Order you are perceiving and experiencing outside your body and within it. (What you perceive you are choosing to interpret.)

For the three above, all that is needed is all ready had.
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I feel there can be benefit to understand it a certain amount.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84202891

Yes, for the, in my very wild guess, 0.001% of people who, upon knowing and understanding it, would not go crazy from losing their sense of reality and identity.

It explains a lot, after all. Once a certain level of understanding is reached however, perhaps indeed its best to let it be. A forgetting needs to happen if a new paradigm is to be had.
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Yes, and it is folded into our current perspective in ways that are more easily-perceived and accepted.

Right now, it seems enough to make conscious choices each moment to forge that. Its taken me a long time to be conscious most of the time! Aside from sleep - which I will add as an aside question. At some point I expect to be able to put down the reins more than likely, once things have been picked and straightened out, etc. Cautiously though as I don’t want to lose steer entirely!!
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Consistent choices until they become automatic whereby they can influence the way you interpret reality.

For example, the way you sit, walk, talk, the persons with whom you interact, how you interact, what you focus on with your eyes, how you spend your time, the systems and processes you make use of, etc. After a while it just becomes second-nature.

I was fortunate to figure some of this out at a young age after I dropped out of school and taught myself from scratch (with my TRIPS system and using it to direct focus).

So, on the point of dreams. The ones I remember now seem to have a direct correlation with physical reality. It seems more of a “playground” and like im less afraid for it to then translate in some way.

I used to want to lucid dream, but im wondering now if I see the value? I know I’m just as “conscious” in Dreamtime as I am now, and lucidity seems to be my Self taking control. It feels more apt to let my dreaming Self play through the patterns. Those closest to waking life will be remembered it seems.

It feels of more value to allow that dreaming Self more input in physical life rather than the other way around!!
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The two are the same. One is a more physical interpretation from your brain/body while the other is a more metaphysical interpretation from your mind/body. Things can 'originate' in either, and either perspective has its own benefits.

Lucid dreaming is more of the physical body's dream-state and how it interacts with its environment. (It is lucid dreaming right now as you go about your day, as the dreamworld has aspects of physicality.) But as the lucid dream is an interpretation of something else you can affect 'higher' things from 'lower' relationships. I would advise against doing this with your conscious mind unless you only observe and not try to direct it in any way.
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Which is the option that you could sustain for the longest period of time that benefits your person and does not directly harm others?

Of course there is a third option.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think it would help if I knew what option 3 is. I’ll think on this today while I clean.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Perhaps it may help to make a mind map of different options. Set aside your feelings about things for a while and focus on these qualities:

1. sustainable for long periods of time. Say, 1+ year. This could also go in cycles. For example, 1 month on, then one month off, then repeat, sustained for 1+ year.

2. benefits you in some way. Nevermind how it benefits others, as in nearly all cases you don't really know what would truly benefit others in their lives and can only make assumptions about their perspective.

3. does not directly harm others. There is a wide variety of indirect harm, much of which we can only presume. It's easier to focus on direct harm, which can be carefully-considered, as you may think something harms someone else when it may just be that that person isn't sure and it would actually be beneficial to them. (An example might be extracting a tooth or telling them to get rid of a toxic person that they love dearly.)

The trick of emotions is giving them a structure of your design to play inside of. As emotional beings we allow emotions to rule without consideration of any structure to them whatsoever, as we would want just about everything else in our lives to have some kind of.
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Thank you for this
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"Pale" actually meant that you hard very dark skin, previously. The term meant 'without color', which is "black" (or bleek, blaec, blanche, and other terms). Someone with more African features was described as "ugly" by others with even darker skin. This description and eventual slighting was more about the person's physiognomy resembling an African's.

"Fair" meant what we call white skin today. It was usually applied to New world women, the "fairer sex", because their skin would get lighter as they got older from the application of their beauty products, and the contrast with their husbands and their own parents was noticeable.

A great many popular books talk about the social changes that were going on around the world at the time; the conflict between the Old and New worlds. Jane Austen has at least 6 terms for different skin colours, mostly applied to the dark skin of her characters, and how the world was changing because of 'The Enlightenment'.
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This is fascinating. I was very interested in the sections of the old site where you went into some of this. I remember at some point reading some of the debates about Jane Austin’s use of ‘brown’ tones in her descriptions and the different ways it was explained away. The inside vs the outside of an almond etc lol
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Yes. She wrote deliberate descriptions of her characters such as fair, sallow (light brown), brown, very brown, or black at a time of Regency-eta social conflicts as the Old World diminished with the introduction of the New.

Sir Samuel Egerton Brydges, a biographer who visited Austen at her home in Steventon, said, "Her hair was dark brown and curled naturally, her large dark eyes were widely opened and expressive. She had clear brown skin and blushed so brightly and so readily."

James-Edward Austen, Jane’s nephew, remarked, “In person she was very attractive; her figure was rather tall and slender, her step light and firm, and her whole appearance expressive of health and animation. In complexion she was a clear brunette with a rich colour; she had full round cheeks, with mouth and nose small and well-formed bright hazel eyes, and brown hair forming natural curls close round her face.”

'Brunette' is often explained away as relating to hair colour (as it is now, to hide history) but as you can see above it relates to her complexion while later in the paragraph her hair is remarked as 'brown'. The word 'brunette' was used to describe the person's skin, just as 'pale', or 'fair' was.

In Pride and Prejudice the character of Eliza Bennet, a minor antagonist, has an unspoken but inferred advantage over her rival, Miss Caroline Bingley: her brown and tanned complexion, which is much admired by the wealthy Mr. Darcy.

In the novel Emma (1816) Austen wrote: ‘Mr. Elton, black, spruce, and smiling'.

Fanny Price from Mansfield Park was partly based on the life of Dido Elisabeth Lindsay, a mulatto heiress and aristocrat.

Also in the novel is one Mr. Henry Crawford, who is not a member of the clergy, is presented as ‘absolutely plain, black and plain; but still the gentleman.’ His sophisticated and lovely sister Mary is brown, with a lively black eyes.

('Plain' meaning 'without color', or black skin.)

There is a lot of deception regarding this not because of race (as humans, without the toxins, are about the same colour and have very similar phenotypes) but because of what it would mean if the poisoning of the pineal gland is reversed.

So, the Cult has built narratives about slavery and 'race' and produced all manner of conflicts to hide the reality, just as they do for so much else.


I just notice more and more how manipulated even recent ‘history’ is. It helps the we are actually going from more indelible attempts at record keeping to less… Most of us are just one wipe of the cloud from ever having existed…
Shrug…just another good reminder to give the most weight to what we directly experience.
 Quoting: The Builder

The can be far greater deception in the digital world, with histories easily re-written, photographs easily manipulated, identities changed without anyone noticing, etc.

It is the choice we make, even as I type these words.

Maybe I should be more incensed about it but I am super tired lately. Sleeping ‘well’ and for a good duration but it seems like I am very busy in the dreamworld and not feeling well rested as a result.
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Possibly :)
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I actually made time today to do my homework. It was hard to do all that on only one page - might have gone over. Not quite as dramatic and such but I did it.

Piper’s story:
[snippies]

What do I do now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

nice effort! Could you please identify two things?

1) What are the things in Piper's life experience that are "too much of what she doesn't need"; and

2) What are the dramas that she is creating out of nothing?
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Which is the option that you could sustain for the longest period of time that benefits your person and does not directly harm others?

Of course there is a third option.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think it would help if I knew what option 3 is. I’ll think on this today while I clean.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Perhaps it may help to make a mind map of different options. Set aside your feelings about things for a while and focus on these qualities:

1. sustainable for long periods of time. Say, 1+ year. This could also go in cycles. For example, 1 month on, then one month off, then repeat, sustained for 1+ year.

2. benefits you in some way. Nevermind how it benefits others, as in nearly all cases you don't really know what would truly benefit others in their lives and can only make assumptions about their perspective.

3. does not directly harm others. There is a wide variety of indirect harm, much of which we can only presume. It's easier to focus on direct harm, which can be carefully-considered, as you may think something harms someone else when it may just be that that person isn't sure and it would actually be beneficial to them. (An example might be extracting a tooth or telling them to get rid of a toxic person that they love dearly.)

The trick of emotions is giving them a structure of your design to play inside of. As emotional beings we allow emotions to rule without consideration of any structure to them whatsoever, as we would want just about everything else in our lives to have some kind of.
 Quoting: The Builder


Thank you for this
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It's a great pleasure, Lady of Stars :)
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That way of thinking reminds me of that Nestle CEO who wanted to patent drinking water, making everybody pay to use water.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

So, kind of like what people are doing now.

I'm sure the active Cult is looking for ways to make freshwater seem more scarce. I hope the many big desalinisation plants across the world stay out of the news.
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They do. I saw a local newspaper heading in all caps reading “drinking water will get scarce”. Litterally
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Right now, it seems enough to make conscious choices each moment to forge that. Its taken me a long time to be conscious most of the time! Aside from sleep - which I will add as an aside question. At some point I expect to be able to put down the reins more than likely, once things have been picked and straightened out, etc. Cautiously though as I don’t want to lose steer entirely!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84202891

Consistent choices until they become automatic whereby they can influence the way you interpret reality.

For example, the way you sit, walk, talk, the persons with whom you interact, how you interact, what you focus on with your eyes, how you spend your time, the systems and processes you make use of, etc. After a while it just becomes second-nature.

I was fortunate to figure some of this out at a young age after I dropped out of school and taught myself from scratch (with my TRIPS system and using it to direct focus).
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Of course, now we all are curious as to what this TRIPS system is :)

Funny how you say that about the way one chooses to behave in daily life. For example: After I quit gluten and sugar, I felt I needed to take care of my room way more than I did. So I now make a point of making my bed every morning (I almost never did that!). I also make a point of cleaning out at least one mucky thing per day. I notice I walk more straight.

You mentioned the way one dresses... I still wear my Vans sneakers, jeans, t shirt, hoodie, just like any young guy. It’s a leftover of my rock n roll band days. I feel like that does not fit that well anymore to who I want to be.
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I actually made time today to do my homework. It was hard to do all that on only one page - might have gone over. Not quite as dramatic and such but I did it.

Piper’s story:
[snippies]

What do I do now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

nice effort! Could you please identify two things?

1) What are the things in Piper's life experience that are "too much of what she doesn't need"; and

2) What are the dramas that she is creating out of nothing?
 Quoting: The Builder


I don’t think I’ve gotten that far. Lol. 1 page was a challenge! Even thinking on it now, I have no idea.

It was nice to exercise that part of my brain though. I can’t remember the last time I sat and wrote something totally fiction. Even if it was only a page :)
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Have they mismanaged their resources?
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An example from this Earth might help. What is a resource here that you see as mismanaged, if any?
 Quoting: The Builder


Here in California, I would say water.
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If the results of the supposed mismanagement are by design, then could we say that it is being managed well according to the intention?

California is the first place that comes to my mind if I was to think of a place that manages its water resources, and access to those resources, well for the purposes of building up a water crisis narrative aligned with the 'green' (communist, anti-human) agenda. This could be considered severe abuse of resources because the purpose goes against our own humanity.

The ultimate intention of the active Cult is to manage each person's perspective. This is done by alinear warfare against populations, mass propaganda, individualised propaganda, etc., so that you are not sure what reality is and lose your sense of identity, history, culture, tradition, and Self so that you can be managed more easily.

Water and other 'resources' are no different, as they are an intimate part of human reality. The Cult are actively re-defining what water is, how it is used, what rights and permissions are available, etc.

We may not agree with how something is managed, and in this case it could very well be considered evil and anti-human, but for their intentions they are managing well.

On the second Earth, you could say that there is a mismanagement of resources but in a different way in that so-called natural resources are used too efficiently, which does not consider the necessary processes essential for each to reach a kind of 'maturity' and health.
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It is definitely being managed well according to their intention. But still, from my perspective, totally mismanaged.

Why does it have to be this way? How does this systemic cancer, this evil, get beaten? It’s hard to see a way through it.

They do it with every resource it seems. How does meaningful change even begin at this scale?

Beam me up Scotty - I’m spent
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Intrigued by the Earth 3 question, I could not find the original post back where it was mentioned the first time.

Do we have a counterpart over there as well?
 Quoting: Tuuur 2291000

No counterpart, as 2 has for those here on 1.

3 is a kind of equilibrium between the extreme Chaos of 1 (here) and extreme Order of 2.

Is there communication possible, comparable with Earth 2?
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The communication between 1 and 2 is in multiple forms, mostly in things like inventions, methods, systems, definitions, and to/from one's counterpart. Bitcoin, for example, was first used on the second Earth and described in my original post about 13 years ago when it was being introduced here.

Metis has worked to implement some of these more, er, 'extreme Order' aspects such as Bitcoin from 2 to help set the stage for the merging, or equilibrium between 1 and 2, resulting in 3.
 Quoting: The Builder


Got a quiet minute to myself and began to wander in my mind, Chaol entered. All of this talk about Earth Two, counterparts and Maria. What became of Chaol?

For whatever reason, I have always held you two separate in my mind. Two different relatings.

If Métis has been working towards extreme order here, what has Chaol been up to?

So you and Métis are working towards the same thing then? Have you ever met Chaol or Métis in the flesh? Is that even possible? Are they even human?

I’m just curious. Answer or not.





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