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What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.

 
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What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules.

My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked.

My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s.
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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Alabama was hit very hard by the pandemic of 1917-1918.

In the old cemetery in downtown Birmingham, AL there is a large mass grave with a statue of those that died due to the "Spanish" Flu in 1918.

It is in a bad part of town now and very few even know that it exists today.
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My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman.

Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare.

Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today.

We lose SO much when previous generations die out.
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Aspirin overdose was the major killer during the spanish flu epidemic.
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All of my ancestors from both sides of my family fought in the Revolutionary War of 1774-1778.

And they all also fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War.

They were all hard working, tough, crude, loyal, good, honest people.

Their lives were so different than what we live like today.
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Right in the middle of the Civil War in 1863, my mother's whole family, except the men off fighting in the army, all moved from North Carolina to Alabama to escape how the southerners were being abused by the Yankee troops.

They were also mostly Freemasons.

My great-aunt wrote in her diary that when they had to pass through Union lines, they would flash the secret Freemason sign and the Union sentries stopped harassing them and let them pass freely.
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How did that keep the family from getting sick ? You didn't even explain it lol
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Thanks for sharing, OP. Interesting.
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Nice. Yeah. We're over the hill as a society. All downhill into the pit.
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Before The Revolutionary War in the early 1700s both sides of my ancestry came from Ulster Northern Ireland (Protestant) and also from Wales.

They were all iron workers, coal miners and machinists.

Short, stout, huge arms and always ready to fight anybody.

Today these same ancestors are engineers, cooks, drunks, pilots, drug addicts, truck drivers and school teachers.

And none of them know anything at all about their family history or even care...
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My great grandmother remembered the deniers being chased out of towns or lynched. They were communists and sympathisers.She said thats what stopped a third wave.
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How did that keep the family from getting sick ? You didn't even explain it lol
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From what I understand, because there was very little travel to the western plains in those times, the pandemic had not spread to West Texas. At least not to pandemic levels.

The pandemic today has spread over the whole world simply because of mass travel (cars, trains, airplanes).

Back then there were no planes and few trains, with none in that area of West Texas and the only roads were dirt trails.

So, you could run from the virus back then. That is not possible today.
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My great grandmother remembered the deniers being chased out of towns or lynched. They were communists and sympathisers.She said thats what stopped a third wave.
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Fuck you.
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How did that keep the family from getting sick ? You didn't even explain it lol
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From what I understand, because there was very little travel to the western plains in those times, the pandemic had not spread to West Texas. At least not to pandemic levels.

The pandemic today has spread over the whole world simply because of mass travel (cars, trains, airplanes).

Back then there were no planes and few trains, with none in that area of West Texas and the only roads were dirt trails.

So, you could run from the virus back then. That is not possible today.
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That's true. Back then Wichita Falls would've barely been a small town with no public services at all.
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More please
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules.

My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked.

My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s.
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Wow, I have a neighbor who also reads Glp. Small world
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania.

He came as an indentured farm worker.

After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north.

All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls.

He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap.

That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine.

It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC.
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After my grandfather and the family moved to Port Arthur, TX in the early 1920s, he was a construction foreman that helped construct the first refineries in Port Arthur, TX to refine the oil coming from the Spindletop oil fields.

He died when he fell from a tall wooden scaffold erected to weld the refining tower, when the scaffolding collapsed.

Leaving his wife with five kids to raise alone. No insurance of any kind or "Social Security" back then.

The company that he was working for just paid for his funeral.

All of the kids then went to work as teenagers to support the family.
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In North and South Carolina during the Civil War, armies from both the North and the South were constantly passing through causing damage, stealing livestock and crops.

The known Confederate sympathizers in the Carolinas suffered terribly.

One of my young ancestors was hung after he was caught stealing corn from a Union grain storage silo.

They were starving and he had no other choice. He was fifteen years old.

It was after this that they all decided to move the family to Alabama deep in the South where they had relatives living.

They also decided to quickly leave after a couple of the troops that hung the boy were found dead...
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When you see beautiful pictures of Ireland and Wales with their beautiful green open fields as far as you can see, with rock rubble of old stone houses, YOU REMEMBER!

Those beautiful green fields are there because MILLIONS of starving share cropper families either died during the potato famine or were forced to immigrate to Australia, Canada or America as indentured slaves to survive!

The land was then just taken over by huge land owners that were mostly English aristocrats!

I see those beautiful pictures of the Irish countryside and it makes my blood boil.

I could never go to Ireland today. It would be too painful to see.
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My grandmother, born in 1933 says there was no talk of the pandemic by her elders whatsoever, about it.

Take it for what it is.
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Cheers to your heritage..

People forget how hard everything used to be, and not having a safety net. It would cause mass psychosis today
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
My grandmother, born in 1933 says there was no talk of the pandemic by her elders whatsoever, about it.

Take it for what it is.
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Tell that to those people in that cemetery mass grave in Birmingham, Alabama.

1933 is 15 years after the pandemic when your grandmother was born. That would be at least 20 years before she could be old enough to understand what a pandemic was.

Believe what you want. Everyone usually does.
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
My grandmother, born in 1933 says there was no talk of the pandemic by her elders whatsoever, about it.

Take it for what it is.
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Tell that to those people in that cemetery mass grave in Birmingham, Alabama.

1933 is 15 years after the pandemic when your grandmother was born. That would be at least 20 years before she could be old enough to understand what a pandemic was.

Believe what you want. Everyone usually does.
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By the way, people from those times rarely talk openly about their troubles like they do today!
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Aspirin overdose was the major killer during the spanish flu epidemic.
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how many aspirin does it take to od? not gonna do it, just wondered how much is dangeros?
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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The US is full of pussies!
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
Aspirin overdose was the major killer during the spanish flu epidemic.
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This is what they say. Aspirin was new and people took too much not realizing correct dosage.
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Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.
All of my ancestors from both sides of my family fought in the Revolutionary War of 1774-1778.

And they all also fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War.

They were all hard working, tough, crude, loyal, good, honest people.

Their lives were so different than what we live like today.
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