Taking your very survival into your own hands, how will you respond?

I stopped participating in the corruption in 2001, meaning, I haven't paid a dime in income tax since. I dont drive with a license, I am uninsured, and I collect each month from the government via a number of methods. The only way for someone to survive.

So I do participate but only in the taking part. You won't make it if you dont take the handouts. In essence I am helping to bankrupt the system.

A war needs to start. it is the only way out of how the world is currently ruled. I am not referring to a classic war as the enemy has no honor and they don't use a classic military. Biological weapons, radiation and chemical based weapons/poisons are how they fight.

I out them on a daily basis. They can't win a ground battle once it starts.

The local utility company, farmers, and grocers are not really part of the corruption; we can also move into better money and banking offered in the marketplace.

You're total BS. Nobody gets away with not paying taxes on the low end. Then you openly admit you're stealing from those that DO pay taxes. You're part of the problem.

You are fooling yourself if you think you're going to bankrupt them. Where do you think their money comes from?


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I do not begrudge your way of survival though....but I do ask you not to think you're doing all right by accepting money from them.

Heck, I have an appt on Jan 15th to apply for my SS. Throughout my life I've considered that it wouldn't be there for me. I'm now thinking it'll get pulled right after the application is approved.

You see, I have no faith in money and the people who dole it out. They're acting imbeciles when called on.

I mean, it took me calling SS three days in a row to even get an appt. because three times the call got dropped. The second time I had to hang up because of the loud and very obnoxious screeching noise that was happening (worse than a modem squawk, by far). I had asked her to call me back if the call got dropped. She said she would. She did not.

The IRS?....fuck me running. They are even worse. I'll probably not get any Stimulus pay, despite the fact I've done everything required.

I'm wondering, if everyone were to stop using money, about how long would it take to shut the system down?

Days? Weeks?....I don't think it would take longer than that, do you?....

Yes they are! What world are you living in? They exist by selling to you.

I don’t care about surviving and I have nothing to lose.

You might take out some businesses, but they print what they need. You can't stop them without stopping the presses.

There's a key phrase In the constitution about the consent of the governed.

Read it learn it live it love it.

We are empowered and entrusted with the DUTY to withdraw our consent should this government cease being of the people for the people.

It has stopped being so.

Okay, so I understand how this question I've posed is unsightly. I understand how it can make someone uncomfortable, and the reasons would no doubt be many (sadly).

I haven't even voted yet. I can very much understand how someone with a conscience would have to think about that question hard. I'm having to, given I'm always purely honest within myself.


What if this was a planned effort?...global, that is.

What if we took a half year or a year to get all our ducks in a row. Our medical needs taken care of and prepared for, everything (ugh) bought (food, supplies) beforehand, being prepared for LOCKING THEM DOWN!


Oh, the thought of that lock down makes me giddy in spirit....


AND because we would be on the side of what's right, we would be totally transparent about it. Let them rat cretin bastards know their demise is close. Make them scurry for their dark quarters.


They would have no stand against a united global population. It would "liquidate" them....some of them mind, body and spirit. It's time they get a taste of their own ill medicine.


They've already got us used to being locked down. We could take it some more, we're old hat by now....how do you think they would fare without their commerce?

I did my university senior thesis on the 1st Amendment. It was required to be only 20 pages long. Mine was 42 pages long, and there was not one mark on it, save for in my conclusion wherein I cited the Tank Man. My prof didn't see the connection.

I know enough about the Constitution.


While the Constitution is an arguably fine document, a mostly well and fine way to live....where is it today?

It's being tromped on....you're being stepped on. Do you even realize this?....I ask given all your exuberance, not because I'm hating on you....or really even am I challenging you. I'm just curious if you do at least realize this is your life right now....you are being stepped on.

You don't sell? What's wrong with selling? Freedom to contract is a good and natural right.

The problem with it is most of the ones in "charge" of the overall flow of money don't give a flying fuck about us wee wittle people just wanting to live well and fulfilled.

That's why it's such a loss, losing all our mom and pop businesses to huge corporations...we've lost our family feel.

I wonder if those small business owners would be willing to shut their doors for however long it took....would they chose corruption? Or would they see the writing on the wall and participate in a complete system shut down?


You see, it really all comes down to our personal metal.


Do we or don't we want to be slaves to a controlling powers money system?


Heh, I imagine so many internal 'but, but, buts' at all I'm suggesting. Us humans are fabulous with the making of excuses.


I'm telling you straight up, though....no one of earthly power is going to make an excuse for your complete entrainment. It's what they want.


Are we actually going to just give it to them?....

Circumstances would have to come to me, and there can be no real "gray" area involved in that decision, but I long for the day we can exist with nature as nature. I consume, but my heart and soul pay the price every time I throw away plastics or electronics, or anything really that can't be reused. I'm a conscious person, but I still do my part to fuck up this world, and the only way to stop that is to shut it all off at once.

Question is, have I prepared for that? Yes. Yes I have.

Heh, this poll has been up over an hour. Over 500 people have viewed it. No one has pledged a vote.

I'm going to vote when finished with this post. If my back was against the wall and I HAD TO make that choice, I would chose to stop participating....lawdy, and I wanted to add, if everybody else did. Fuck me. "If" and as if.





At any rate, can any poster provide me with a lead on White Hat types of agencies and organizations that I can present a proposal to? Who has the hard core White Hat media platforms?


Any info would be gratefully accepted....

I'm sooo embarrassed. I didn't see that people had been voting. My gawd, I was checking (of course).

I mean, everytime I posted shouldn't of that poll updated?....


Anyway, sorry about my confusion about it....

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... realize ALL SYSTEMS are corrupt ...
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... not just political ... judicial ... but also educational ... religious ... banking ... entertainment ... sports ...
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Your choices are pretty simplistic. Most of us can't just drop out of the system. Restricting participation is more realistic. I've been doing that for years. I barter what I can, and trade for "favors".

It's an important distinction though that value and their fiat are not the same thing. It's hard to totally remove their legal tender from our lives, but we don't have to suffer in ignorance of how to grow substantial value regardless of them. Crypto is a prime example, made as a counter response to their theft, and a very good one.

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Wow, really?....over 83% of you would chose not to participate?

I love-love youse guyses....


Now I REALLY want the info about the White Hat people....


Heh, I had been sitting here thinking my walk to the top of the crap pile was going to be a lonely one.


These are good odds, yes?....


I'm not the only one ready to be over this three ring shit show circus ride....

Lovey, they are simplistic because that's all that's required. Creating a shut down for "them" is the simple ANSWER. What's involved is commitment....but I see how there are issues within what I'm suggesting. It still will all come down to what everyone is willing to commit to.

I have however seen the need for restrictions, or even more so, some quick modifications.


For example, what came to my mind as a difficulty with just shutting down services....people on life saving dialysis, for just one example. How could they participate? They and their families would likely and conscionably be thinking they couldn't participate.

Nobody wants to plan to die for a greater cause, although I'm sure some would, and medical necessities like dialysis could not be stopped. Dialysis centers would have to prepare for the continuation of service, without the out put of money. Again, if everyone commits, then it works.

I would choose death, though. I could very well have a heart attack during such a shutdown, and I would chose not to go to the hospital. I would die....and I would die knowing I was finally standing up for human rights.

No, there would have to be some kind of modifications to the system, for those who need it to live, if they chose to....I would, the idea of freedom is very appealing, eh? Something to actually live for, eh?

Human beings are actually very smart and very creative. I think we could be able to devise a sub-system to survive on throughout such the shut down.


The biggest thing that would be required is consensus of the global community.

Really, how long would it take to make Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, youtube, big pharma....all of 'em, how long would it take of our non-participation to make them feel it like we mean it?

How much time and effort would we be hedging our bets on them being put to their knees?....too long to muscle through?

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If you really want a simplistic answer, here's a great one. Every American tax payer should stop having taxes withheld from their pay checks. Put the money in a savings account instead. That way you collect interest, and the government can't use your money for their nefarious purposes. You will have to pay the taxes, so you will need to keep that money set aside. Without withholding, the government gets about a year behind, and has no money push their bullshit on us. It's a win/win! You get interest on money that you would be giving to them, and they don't get to use that money to make our lives miserable.

This might make a good point on the agreement we make after they "get it," that they're not going to make our reality in their image.

Very nice starting point modification.

Heh, I was just sitting here cheeewing on your word "restriction." I was wondering why humans always want to restrict everything.

We should be modifying and adapting. The word restriction shouldn't even be in our vocabulary....heh, as long as we are moral people.

But that's another huge problem on the planet, those that are amoral and soulless....heh, I can't even get started on them right now.


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My life is and has always been in my own hands.

Who did you give yours too?

I'm sorry syncro, but all I see in your words are excuses for a corrupt system. You appear to me to be very attached to the system...


The only reason we think we need a currency system to survive, is because we've been entrained to believe we need it!!!....


I think we are fools if we think every civilization in all of creation has used a currency system to manage their lives....ffs.


Youse guyses, you really need to throw your boxes of conformity away....because....you do know who has formed those boxes, right?

I'm feeling a lil testy right now. I wouldn't challenge me if I were you.


But I will count on you for being one who doesn't participate....

Not that many are going to stop “participating” in society. Society still makes life easy and enjoyable. The vast, VAST majority of people, including people on here, don’t know how to vanish into the woods, find a nice spot, cut down trees to build a cabin and clear the land to plant crops all while hunting to survive. Those that do try end up dying.

People will still have houses and have to pay property taxes. They will have to do business cash only and under the table so as not go to get fined or go to prison for tax evasion. They can’t drive cars or they will have the car eventually impounded and may go to jail themselves after the fines. You cannot FULLY escape society. Even if you move to Alaska and live off the grid you will have to come back into a major town to buy or trade for resources you cannot find in your part of the wild. A life like that is brutally difficult and means hard work every day to survive. With no real running water or constant electricity or motorized vehicles.

There are lots of little things you can do to drop out.
You can always learn more skills..herbalism, engine repair, carpentry, wiring, food preservation, fiber arts to name a few. You can develop trading/barter systems within your locale for things you cannot or don't want to do. You can minimize your consumption of non-durable goods. You can choose to purchase most everything you need second hand. You can drive as little as possible. You can re-examine your needs and try to figure out how much of it is 'want'. Do you really need a Coach purse or is a hand felted bag from your neighbor good enough? Can you sew a button back on your favorite shirt? Are you willing to become vegetarian or eat game instead of farm meat...or only buy local and realize you will be eating less meat due to increased cost for vastly increased quality. You can minimize your property to minimize property taxes. You really can grow most of what you need on an acre.
These are just a few ideas, but many of them have worked really well for our family.

I never said it would be easy, did I?

In fact, I said the person that would commit to such the shut down would be completely aware of the difficulties. All one has to do is give a few moments of thought and it seems insurmountable. That's when a person digs into themselves to see who they are, what they're made of.


This is our perception, that it is insurmountable. That perception needs to change.


If we don't change or modify this perception, then we're just saying as we're going down, ""O Captain, My Captain," with our metaphorical death to follow....perhaps even literal. "They" don't care about our bodies or our spirits. We're just something to be used....

....and to the person who said this is a pretty good place to live, indeed it is....but why do we have to be controlled like we are to enjoy it?

Interesting thread, CosmicGypsy...and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!

I think if I were to host this thread...I would just START
with choices that aren't quite so drastic...NOT a criticism
just thinking that not many folks will just flat-out say
they'll STOP using money. How about a softer approach?

Do you realize that JUST MOVING OUT OF YOUR BIG CITY
and away from both the East and West coastlines would be
enough of a commitment--anything AFTER THAT sacrifice would
be a "cake walk." And that doesn't even really impact
"The System" as you are presenting it--it changes the source
of money-changing to different STATES in the Union...and
it ALSO saves your life given what many believe is about
to come down on this planet.

JUST MOVE.

That's all you need do at this point to show your
"non-cooperation"...see what the rest brings. However, be
very careful to do your RESEARCH about the inland areas
you move to so there is adequate job possibilities and
housing for you in the "limbo time" we are entering. This
is a slow-moving-disaster and there's time. But doing
NOTHING shouldn't be your top option. Here is a really really
early thread I hosted when I first came to GLP--it is dated
but I had the idea for what we're talking about here way
back then! Enjoy!
Thread: "Your Emergency "bug-out-bag" isn't big enough for THIS! Earth is a Run-Away Train: UPDATED!

Thanks for the thread, kiddo! Big 5 stars for ya!


The Oracle's Cookie

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