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Message Subject MEGA FLOODING in South Borneo, Indonesia (Kalimantan)
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Indonesia, the most populated Muslim country. They still beheading Catholic School Girls there?

I'm not being a dick. It's a real question.
 Quoting: Agent 99


Valid question. That happened some years ago in Ambon. And it went both ways - a brutal tit for tat. But it's pacified now.. and life has returned to normal.

Indonesia has more than 200 ethics. So first and foremost it's normally about race and land, fueled by economics.. religion is in 99% of cases just a cover.

Did you know that tribesman in Borneo put heads on a s-tick if someone messes with their daughters? Happened to some young Muslim man from Madura years ago. But then media (financed by plantation companies looking to grab land) made it about religion and fanatics bought right into it... A full blow es--calation happened as a result of it, lasting many years. (somewhere in Afghanistan a bell rings I guess)

Not long ago something similar happened in Sulawesi.. a Christian family got murdered in their home by some Muslims.. that's how the media spun in, so it sells. Turns out they were robbed.
 Quoting: Nagabonar666


My home ip got banned, had to reword this.. GLP is a bit sensitive about two certain words starting with civ...
 Quoting: Nagabonar666


This has NOTHING to do with religion and EVERYTHING with GREED.... Kalimantan, Sumatera, totally devastated, mostly by palm oil, but also logging, mining you name it.... These companies come in, destroy everything and cause unimaginable suffering and poverty, there isn't a whole lot left in Kalimantan and Sumatera so now they are devastating West Papua at break-neck speed, a lot of this is done by people from Malaysia, Singapore, Arabs, South Koreans with the help of corrupt local officials to get their mostly illegal licences....

Joshua Oppenheimer who made those incredible movies The Act Of Killing and The Look Of Silence was actually working on a film about all this, his focus was about how those companies force people to work at those palm oil plantations for slave wages. The women are forced to spray insectides without any protection and they die before they're 40 from various kinds of cancer. Some of these women tried to organize something, not even for better wages but for masks and gloves, the police/army/hired thugs came in. raped, tortured and murdered a bunch of them, that's how it goes here.... I could write pages about this stuff, the cement factories here in Java, what they are doing to the people in Kulong Progo in Middle Java, the devastation here in West-Java with the new high speed train from Bandung to Jakarta and so much more....

A very good site to read all about all this stuff is:

[link to www.mongabay.com (secure)]

And this is excellent too:

[link to thegeckoproject.org (secure)]

Also this VERY good book by Elizabeth Fuller Collins, Indonesia Betrayed: How Development Fails

Really, an amazing read, goes back decades when during the Suharto dictator ship deforestation etc. started....

[link to www.goodreads.com (secure)]

They are planning to move the capital Jakarta to Kalimantan, a total bitch move in my opinion and it will only exacerbate the problems there (and also leaving Jakarta with all it's heavy problems behind)...
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Dead on. The only thing you didnt say is how hard they work and how clean they are. They sweep the dirt in bali.

Greetings Indonesia is my home. I left the states and never looked back.
 
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