Secession... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and

Go right ahead and secede. Red states take more money than they give to the country so it'll save us a ton. You won't be able to feed yourselves. 45 percent of farm income comes from the government. That'll be gone too. You will have no tax base.

secession or not, there's going to be civil war because the left is now feeling ten ft tall and bullet proof and they absolutely will not stop. They now have all 3 branches and they wont miss this opportunity to ram their agenda through. They understand that if they don't do it now, they may not get another chance. The moderate dems will have to go along or they will get eaten alive by the whackjobs in their party. They are between a rock and a hard place.

And the leftists will never give up their meal ticket and allow secession. Therefore, war it is.

Unstoppable force, meet immovable object.

Like conservatives are gonna do shit about. At least the left follows through. You on the right are why we are in this mess. You sit on your hands apologetically while your countries morals values history and beliefs are stripped away in front of you. Relying only on a savior figure like trump, q, god, jesus to save you so your cowardly asses wont have to sacrifice or get your hands dirty. Your asses are so meek and weakened that even your children have become slaves to the system. Destroying even further your culture. Yet you continue to blame everyone rather than standing up for yourselves. You brought this shit on yourselves, you country, and children after many generations of letting others do your work. Cowards, u deserve not thos great nation.

Like conservatives are gonna do shit about. At least the left follows through. You on the right are why we are in this mess. You sit on your hands apologetically while your countries morals values history and beliefs are stripped away in front of you. Relying only on a savior figure like trump, q, god, jesus to save you so your cowardly asses wont have to sacrifice or get your hands dirty. Your asses are so meek and weakened that even your children have become slaves to the system. Destroying even further your culture. Yet you continue to blame everyone rather than standing up for yourselves. You brought this shit on yourselves, you country, and children after many generations of letting others do your work. Cowards, u deserve not thos great nation.

I can't see any evidence of a government still left.

Elections - gone

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Presidency - gone

Just let them keep telling you violence is never the answer.

I mean i more or less agree, dem areas literally survive like a vampire off of red area resources and labor, so losing access to that would crash most blue states within a week, that said i still see it as the only chance for a peaceful solution, how little chance there is.

I want secession and separation NOW. Either we separate or we go to war. Those are the only two choices.

The correct answer is PEACEFUL NON-COMPLIANCE.

Anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Boy you people just dont get it.

When is violence THE answer?

There is a correct answer. Do you know it?

Now that you explained nothing, I get that you don't understand the wisdom of PEACEFUL NON-COMPLIANCE.

I can't see any evidence of a government still left.

Elections - gone

The Vote - gone

Attorney Generals - gone

Courts - gone

Congress - gone

Presidency - gone

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) : Nation Can Only Heal Once ‘Oppressed’ Southern States Are ‘Liberated’

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We all know what that means.

Uh, I don't. What they hell does that mean?

They dont give a shit about peace. They don't want peace with you so your peaceful non compliance is a joke to them. But go ahead and get out and peacefully protest and be 'non compliant', whatever the hell that means, and see how far it gets you.

The right has been peacefully protesting for years and they still lost the country.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Texas has always had a portion wanting to secede. I supported it when I lived there. Now I contacted the guy heading it up to see if we can get a block of States.

It's called the Convention of States. If 34 of then sign on then there has to be a Constitutional Convention called. The Feds are supposed to answer to the States not the other way around. California, New York and such do not run the US! Quit letting them!

I can't see any evidence of a government still left.

Elections - gone

The Vote - gone

Attorney Generals - gone

Courts - gone

Congress - gone

Presidency - gone