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Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I guess if you don't need to leave your house or make it safe for others to come to your house, you could leave the snow..which can soak up rain, and then freeze into ice.

I guess if one is a pathetic shut-in, it would be OK
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I just got back from the grocery store with snow on the ground...wasn't even a thought or concern...Likewise when I went to visit my granddaughters yesterday...I shall not fret leaving tomorrow when I go see my grandson...
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What about when there is 2 feet, like at my house right now? You'd leave it and walk "on top of it"?

What state do you live in and how much snow are you referring to?
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We haven't seen 2' of snow here in southern IN since 1996...
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Re: 3 dead after snow shoveling dispute turns violent in Pennsylvania, police say
LUZERNE COUNTY, Pa. (WBRE/WYOU) – The cleanup after a significant snowfall in Plains Township, Pennsylvania took a tragic and bizarre turn Monday when police say a shoveling dispute left three dead.

Officers responded to reports of a shooting around 9:30 a.m. Neighbors said they were just getting ready to shovel the snow when they heard arguing followed by about a dozen gunshots.

“It was around 9:30 and I heard people yelling and then I heard gunshots and I looked out my window and I saw a gunman and I called 911,” a witness who only identified herself as Michelle said.

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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
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Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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yeahsure I throw shoveled snow in the street. Cars drive buy, crush and melt it. What's wrong with that?
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Do you blow your leaves in the street also?
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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
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Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
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In my front yard, I do not have trees that lose their leaves in the fall. I HATE it when the neighbors allow their leaves to blow across the street and into my yard. I get it from several families because I have a corner lot. I don't say anything to them. I just rake their leaves and swear under my breath. It's a lot of work. I can pay someone, but it's almost a daily thing for over a month.

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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
 Quoting: BRIEF


Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
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In my front yard, I do not have trees that lose their leaves in the fall. I HATE it when the neighbors allow their leaves to blow across the street and into my yard. I get it from several families because I have a corner lot. I don't say anything to them. I just rake their leaves and swear under my breath. It's a lot of work. I can pay someone, but it's almost a daily thing for over a month.
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That's nature.
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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
 Quoting: BRIEF


Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
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In my front yard, I do not have trees that lose their leaves in the fall. I HATE it when the neighbors allow their leaves to blow across the street and into my yard. I don't say anything to them. I just rake their leaves and swear under my breath.
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Same here.

It's not worth it to discuss it with them.

They will never understand.
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Re: 3 dead after snow shoveling dispute turns violent in Pennsylvania, police say
People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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U sound like a tard that doesn’t know what real snowfall looks like. U gotta shovel it when it’s deep tard unless u wanna be swimming ur way to ur car and then not able to move ur car. Fuktard
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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
 Quoting: Nipples McGee


Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
 Quoting: BRIEF


If you need your walkway or driveway open, you need to move the snow. Also, after a snowstorm, you often get some sunny days, which means warm in the day and cold at night. If the snow is melting and refreezing, it turns to ice. You want to get the snow off before that happens. I got a snowblower last year, it's sort of fun to use.

I grind up leaves in the fall and mulch them into my lawn. Doesn't look quite as good as if I had Central America blow them back and forth in my lawn and pile them up somewhere, but it's just another lawn mowing with my riding mower, the plant matter is returned to the lawn, and I save money. If I didn't grind them they would totally cover the lawn fairly deep and that would kill the grass in the spring -- aside from being unsightly.

Neighbors can't complain too much because the "green" folks in the next town actually recommended doing what I am doing rather than blowing leaves.

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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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yeahsure I throw shoveled snow in the street. Cars drive buy, crush and melt it. What's wrong with that?
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Then the plow comes by and pushes it into my driveway you mutherfucker you
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LUZERNE COUNTY, Pa. (WBRE/WYOU) – The cleanup after a significant snowfall in Plains Township, Pennsylvania took a tragic and bizarre turn Monday when police say a shoveling dispute left three dead.

Officers responded to reports of a shooting around 9:30 a.m. Neighbors said they were just getting ready to shovel the snow when they heard arguing followed by about a dozen gunshots.

“It was around 9:30 and I heard people yelling and then I heard gunshots and I looked out my window and I saw a gunman and I called 911,” a witness who only identified herself as Michelle said.

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Re: 3 dead after snow shoveling dispute turns violent in Pennsylvania, police say
It’s obvious way too many of you are city/suburban dwellers.

Bitching about leaves, and walkways for mail people/kids, snow in the street.

Good grief. Y’all would die in the mountains. .

Get you a wooded lot away from people. Never worry about that dumb shit again. Enjoy nature the right way, find peace, you need it!
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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
 Quoting: BRIEF


Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77842894


In my front yard, I do not have trees that lose their leaves in the fall. I HATE it when the neighbors allow their leaves to blow across the street and into my yard. I get it from several families because I have a corner lot. I don't say anything to them. I just rake their leaves and swear under my breath. It's a lot of work. I can pay someone, but it's almost a daily thing for over a month.
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That's nature.
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If I could rake, so can they. I understand how the elderly man cannot, but a 30 something couple across the street could.
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Re: 3 dead after snow shoveling dispute turns violent in Pennsylvania, police say
People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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Maybe if you're retired and sit home all day, Brief. But for the rest of the world..up in the northeast..it's hard to get out of your driveway sometimes after 2 ft of snowfall. I agree about the leaves.
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I think people who keep an ultra tidy home, shoveled sidewalks, raked and manicured yards are suffering from a mental disorder along the lines of being OCD...They feel the compulsion to control their environment and are borderline germaphobes...It must truly be exhausting!
 Quoting: BRIEF


Pride in ownership and protecting an investment. Not to mention the satisfaction of a good days work. I think those who don't do those things are lazy pigs and disrespectful of their neighbors and neighborhood. Property values go up and down depending on such things.

It's not "controlling" the environment, it's cleaning up after it.

Are you pulling our legs?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77842894


It's not like I don't sweep and do dishes and laundry lol I just don't stress out over a little disorder...I mow my lawn when it needs it because grass doesn't evaporate, it keeps growing...snow melts and leaves get mulched back into the yard...

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Re: 3 dead after snow shoveling dispute turns violent in Pennsylvania, police say
It’s obvious way too many of you are city/suburban dwellers.

Bitching about leaves, and walkways for mail people/kids, snow in the street.

Good grief. Y’all would die in the mountains. .

Get you a wooded lot away from people. Never worry about that dumb shit again. Enjoy nature the right way, find peace, you need it!
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I don't need mountains. I love my home and yard. 45 miles from beautiful beaches and family. I love the beach.

It's so peaceful where I live, but come fall, the leaves are a lot of work. That's my only complaint. And one or two days of snow a year isn't bad.
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neighbors always have a habit of getting their snow or leaves on your space

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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
 Quoting: Nipples McGee


Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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Maybe if you're retired and sit home all day, Brief. But for the rest of the world..up in the northeast..it's hard to get out of your driveway sometimes after 2 ft of snowfall. I agree about the leaves.
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If you look at that neighborhood where the shooting took place, they are the typical Pennsylvania hills. I looked on Google maps, and some of those driveways are steep. I could never understand how they make it up and down their driveways.

PA is not known to salt their roads or fix their potholes.

Who knows...the shooter could have snapped after being quarantined, losing his job or business. Their Democrat governor is an idiot. Businesses, gyms, theaters and restaurants have been closed for a year now.

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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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This is what happens when people live right on top of each other.

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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
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yeahsure I throw shoveled snow in the street. Cars drive buy, crush and melt it. What's wrong with that?
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Then the plow comes by and pushes it into my driveway you mutherfucker you
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The plow comes by in our neighborhood, pushes the snow from the street onto the entrance to our driveways. Two feet high. Blocks us in our driveways. It turned to 1 1/2 feet of rock hard ice in a November, 2020 snow. I called the township. He came and shoveled it onto the street.

In order to make a path to get out of my driveway, the only place to shovel the snow is onto the street. Where else? Law is, our sidewalks must be cleared within 24- 48 hours.
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preach it brother! let it out
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W. Bergh Street, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania

I looked at Google Maps. A few houses, where those authorities in the photo are standing, are duplexes. Close living quarters where two families share an inside wall, back yard, and a porch. Not that it matters, but I'm wondering if they got on each other's nerves before. Caused anger in the past.
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I finally read the article and it was a murder suicide which tells me it was likely not a random pissed off incident. Sounds to me like poor mental health and likely a history of bad neighborly relations
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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
 Quoting: Nipples McGee


Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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I bet you live like a pig too
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Never go full rage snow shovel retard.


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yeahsure I throw shoveled snow in the street. Cars drive buy, crush and melt it. What's wrong with that?
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Then the plow comes by and pushes it into my driveway you mutherfucker you
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The plow comes by in our neighborhood, pushes the snow from the street onto the entrance to our driveways. Two feet high. Blocks us in our driveways. It turned to 1 1/2 feet of rock hard ice in a November, 2020 snow. I called the township. He came and shoveled it onto the street.

In order to make a path to get out of my driveway, the only place to shovel the snow is onto the street. Where else? Law is, our sidewalks must be cleared within 24- 48 hours.
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preach it brother! let it out
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I was always confused what cities do with the snow around tight areas like that. When I was in college they made is put our cars into 1 lot while they plowed the reat of campus and getting your car out of that 1 lot without 4WD was a nightmare. Not sure how people live on tight streets in close quarters with pileups like that.
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true story,

i backed my old car up and slowly had the hot exhaust melt the snow wall, put the transmission into 1st gear, when the snow became ice and it broke my shovel.

i rolled the windows up so i didnt get carbon poisoned
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People get crazy with snow etiquette. I’ve heard of fights over snow blowers blowing snow onto a neighbors property, throwing shoveled snow into the street and there was a teenager who was shot and killed when I was younger because he threw a snowball at the wrong car.

Don’t even get me started on lawn chairs placed in dug out parking spots.
 Quoting: Nipples McGee


Both snow and leaves go away all by themselves if given time...I think it's absurd to shovel snow and rake leaves unless you do it for the exercise...like dancing, it's dumb unless you enjoy it...
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Dumbest goddamn statement you've ever made on here. Your position can only be supported by those who do not have enough snowfall for it to become a problem or liability. If you live far enough north, then your whole civilization will abruptly shut down if you don't do maintenance on excessive snow. Most financial, survival, and educationally activity would stop in its tracks until spring time came to melt all your problems away. You're speaking like a trust fund kid that doesn't understand why some people have to go to work in the morning. Or like a Bedouin dessert dweller who doesn't understand why umbrellas were invented.

Too fucking dumb.

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About 3 days later there will be a rash of heart attacks for people not used to hard labor. They over do it rather than breaking it up into smaller tasks over a longer period of time.
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No race mentioned so I guess it was just more black people with guns. BLM!
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Then the plow comes by and pushes it into my driveway you mutherfucker you
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The plow comes by in our neighborhood, pushes the snow from the street onto the entrance to our driveways. Two feet high. Blocks us in our driveways. It turned to 1 1/2 feet of rock hard ice in a November, 2020 snow. I called the township. He came and shoveled it onto the street.

In order to make a path to get out of my driveway, the only place to shovel the snow is onto the street. Where else? Law is, our sidewalks must be cleared within 24- 48 hours.
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preach it brother! let it out
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I was always confused what cities do with the snow around tight areas like that. When I was in college they made is put our cars into 1 lot while they plowed the reat of campus and getting your car out of that 1 lot without 4WD was a nightmare. Not sure how people live on tight streets in close quarters with pileups like that.
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i have seen the city used tiny bulldozers
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