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I think today is the day I abandon Flat Earth. (LONG POST sorry not sorry.)
I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

Is that a pic of ISS?
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
And do you have pics of the Tesla? How far away is the Tesla actually from earth?
 Quoting: Concerned

It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

I have a telescope...it's like a 6 year old Orion Starseeker 2. I love to take it out and look at the moon and the stars. In my head, I have no idea what I'm looking at, the way the stars shimmer and the way the edge of the moon is sometimes greenish. It's wild to look at that shit. I wish I had the capability to take pics or record video with it.

I'm gonna ask a question and you can't can not answer, obviously your choice. The biggest thing that I question when it comes to the ball model is sound. I don't understand how I can even hear the sound of me typing this. The earth is spinning at 1000ish mph, it is moving 60,000 ish mph, then the solar system itself is moving hundreds of thousands of mph (if I'm wrong correct me.) I can wrap my head around the notion that we are all moving with the atmosphere.
 Quoting: Concerned

Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

What I can not seem to understand is sound. Sound isn't tangible. It doesn't exist at all until the moment it does. So when anything makes a sound, just given the speed of rotation of the earth the sound shouldn't be able to keep up. Let alone the 60 or so thousand it's moving around the sun. Can you explain how that works? Where am I flawed?
 Quoting: Concerned

Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
My wife is dying for me to make a donation to St Jude and apply for the space trip later this year. The one I asked you about earlier. I told her there is NO WAY they would ever accept me. But she's tired of my view on it. Help me help her LOL. Make sound make sense and I could jump ship in an instant.
 Quoting: Concerned

I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
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The globe model seems to explain everything I see
and experience in daily life quite nicely.
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If the Earth was flat VHF/UHF radio signals with enough power would be able to reach from edge to edge... they don't they, instead the transmit line of site over the horizon and out into space, penetrating the ionosphere unlike HF radio.

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google HF propagation tools, there are a number, but its cool to see how the ionosphere is working in real time. Proves without a doubt the globe model is true.

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earth means land, land means earth in the bible.


how simple is that to understand.


do your feet not touch land as you walk. with your own two eyes does not the land look flat. damn people cannot be this ignorant to not understand this.


its like how you call the sky you see when yuou look up look like a dome.

I BET IF THEY KNEW WHAT A DOME WAS WOULD THEY NOT ALSO WOULD HAD DESCRIBE WITHOUT TECHOLOGY FROM THERE OWN PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW AS IF IT LOOK LIKE A DOME.


hahah. when intelligence cannot use reading comprehension. when someone is describing what they PERSONALLY SEE WITH THERE OWN EYES.


ITS FUNNY THAT WE CALL THEM NOW PLANETS BUT YET THEY CALLED THEM HABITATIONS.

GENESIS PROVES THAT. AND THE SONS OF GOD THAT REBELLED LEFT THERE HABITATIONS(WHAT WE CALL THEM IS PLANETS) AND TOOK UPON THEM THE DAUGHTERS OF THE SON OF MEN.


let me tell you something WHERE I PERSONALLY STAND EVEN THOUGH THERE IS TECHOLOGY.

I STILL SAY THE LAND I STAND ON IS FLAT. BUT THE SKY I LOOK UP AT DOES ON SOME DAYS LOOK LIKE A SAPHIRE STONE.

THEY NEVER LITERALLY MEANT THE EARTH WAS FLAT. but what there feet stood upon was flat.


habitation = planets genesis proves that alone.

earth= land

land = what your two feet stand on.

it so simple. and doesnt take a college degree to understand this.

only fools wasted there time to prove something that was NEVER MADE A CLAIM.

but those who misunderstood just like those who spent there lives and money and time to just get that well the earth is not flat.

to only realize the writer was not even making that claim. period. it does not take a genius to figure that out.


right away when i read the bible I UNDERSTOOD THAT. it is how you write when your writing in a pov perspective. from your own eyes. right.


so just like those who wasted there lives to make a point that was never claim from the start i scratch my head and say wow

how all this time no one understood that what is so simple.




im not shill or anything you can label. to make yourself feel better for the lack of knowledge many do hold even those that claim to have knowledge. do you understand now?
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LOL Thanks dude.
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Flat and stationary.
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
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Yall need to give Op a break. Do you know how RARE it is today for someone to able to have an opinion, consider contrary evidence reasonably, AND THEN CHANGE that opinion??
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Regardless of what you believe about the earth, I find it quite comical you believe there is a Tesla car in space. Impossible with what they have taught you regarding temperatures of space. You go on and believe what the masters have told you to believe, matters not to me.

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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

Is that a pic of ISS?
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
And do you have pics of the Tesla? How far away is the Tesla actually from earth?
 Quoting: Concerned

It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

I have a telescope...it's like a 6 year old Orion Starseeker 2. I love to take it out and look at the moon and the stars. In my head, I have no idea what I'm looking at, the way the stars shimmer and the way the edge of the moon is sometimes greenish. It's wild to look at that shit. I wish I had the capability to take pics or record video with it.

I'm gonna ask a question and you can't can not answer, obviously your choice. The biggest thing that I question when it comes to the ball model is sound. I don't understand how I can even hear the sound of me typing this. The earth is spinning at 1000ish mph, it is moving 60,000 ish mph, then the solar system itself is moving hundreds of thousands of mph (if I'm wrong correct me.) I can wrap my head around the notion that we are all moving with the atmosphere.
 Quoting: Concerned

Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

What I can not seem to understand is sound. Sound isn't tangible. It doesn't exist at all until the moment it does. So when anything makes a sound, just given the speed of rotation of the earth the sound shouldn't be able to keep up. Let alone the 60 or so thousand it's moving around the sun. Can you explain how that works? Where am I flawed?
 Quoting: Concerned

Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
My wife is dying for me to make a donation to St Jude and apply for the space trip later this year. The one I asked you about earlier. I told her there is NO WAY they would ever accept me. But she's tired of my view on it. Help me help her LOL. Make sound make sense and I could jump ship in an instant.
 Quoting: Concerned

I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you are easily brainwashed, got it.

You didnt need to make a big long post about it.
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earth means land, land means earth in the bible.


how simple is that to understand.


do your feet not touch land as you walk. with your own two eyes does not the land look flat. damn people cannot be this ignorant to not understand this.


its like how you call the sky you see when yuou look up look like a dome.

I BET IF THEY KNEW WHAT A DOME WAS WOULD THEY NOT ALSO WOULD HAD DESCRIBE WITHOUT TECHOLOGY FROM THERE OWN PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW AS IF IT LOOK LIKE A DOME.


hahah. when intelligence cannot use reading comprehension. when someone is describing what they PERSONALLY SEE WITH THERE OWN EYES.


ITS FUNNY THAT WE CALL THEM NOW PLANETS BUT YET THEY CALLED THEM HABITATIONS.

GENESIS PROVES THAT. AND THE SONS OF GOD THAT REBELLED LEFT THERE HABITATIONS(WHAT WE CALL THEM IS PLANETS) AND TOOK UPON THEM THE DAUGHTERS OF THE SON OF MEN.


let me tell you something WHERE I PERSONALLY STAND EVEN THOUGH THERE IS TECHOLOGY.

I STILL SAY THE LAND I STAND ON IS FLAT. BUT THE SKY I LOOK UP AT DOES ON SOME DAYS LOOK LIKE A SAPHIRE STONE.

THEY NEVER LITERALLY MEANT THE EARTH WAS FLAT. but what there feet stood upon was flat.


habitation = planets genesis proves that alone.

earth= land

land = what your two feet stand on.

it so simple. and doesnt take a college degree to understand this.

only fools wasted there time to prove something that was NEVER MADE A CLAIM.

but those who misunderstood just like those who spent there lives and money and time to just get that well the earth is not flat.

to only realize the writer was not even making that claim. period. it does not take a genius to figure that out.


right away when i read the bible I UNDERSTOOD THAT. it is how you write when your writing in a pov perspective. from your own eyes. right.


so just like those who wasted there lives to make a point that was never claim from the start i scratch my head and say wow

how all this time no one understood that what is so simple.




im not shill or anything you can label. to make yourself feel better for the lack of knowledge many do hold even those that claim to have knowledge. do you understand now?
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I appreciate the post and I appreciate the input.

I will say a few things. I believe in God. I have never read the bible. I know I should. I didn't post this to argue so I take your words and, again, I appreciate them!
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
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There is no critical thought involved in believing a ball earth, you just blindly believe it.

There is no logical proof of a round planet, only nasa cgi.
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
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At least you spelled it with an "a" ... I dig it.
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79649054


There is no critical thought involved in believing a ball earth, you just blindly believe it.

There is no logical proof of a round planet, only nasa cgi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


Flat Earthers [The Bible] know more about the Globe model, than the the believers that foam at the mouth when questioned...

So how can a 'glober' come to the conclusion that they "know" we live on a ball, if they don't know any details...

Ignorance is bliss, let them have their imaginary cake that keeps them content being stupid.

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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

...

Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
...

It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

...

Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

...

Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
...

I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
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 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you are easily brainwashed, got it.

You didnt need to make a big long post about it.
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Maybe I am. Maybe I was brainwashed by believing flat earth, maybe I'm brainwashed by not. That's the beauty of it all. You know about as much as I do. It's how we choose to process information that makes us different! Thanks for your input.
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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79649054


There is no critical thought involved in believing a ball earth, you just blindly believe it.

There is no logical proof of a round planet, only nasa cgi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


I do think this. I am still programmed to think the ball is bullshit. However, like I said in my original post...if I'm presented with information and I ignore it then it makes me no better than someone lying. I asked about sound and I got an answer that made sense. If that makes me an idiot...then so be it!
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If you arent sharp enough to pick apart astroshills nonsense, then you shouldn't be trying to debate something this big.

Astros defenses and arguments are very easy to pick apart and he always bans anyone with half a brain cell who can challenge him.

I am perma ip banned from his threads.
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I'd be curious, and I say this with no confrontational undertone, to pick his replies to me apart. If he's wrong in your eyes, please share!
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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

...


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
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 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you are easily brainwashed, got it.

You didnt need to make a big long post about it.
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Maybe I am. Maybe I was brainwashed by believing flat earth, maybe I'm brainwashed by not. That's the beauty of it all. You know about as much as I do. It's how we choose to process information that makes us different! Thanks for your input.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


Every government agency is against you, but NASA [another agency] is here to save you...

"Trust the plan"... we're going to the moon...no wait, mars ... no wait...moon.. trust the plan...

Similar concept, an imaginary carrot on a stick to lead the masses into demise.

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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

Is that a pic of ISS?
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
And do you have pics of the Tesla? How far away is the Tesla actually from earth?
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It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

I have a telescope...it's like a 6 year old Orion Starseeker 2. I love to take it out and look at the moon and the stars. In my head, I have no idea what I'm looking at, the way the stars shimmer and the way the edge of the moon is sometimes greenish. It's wild to look at that shit. I wish I had the capability to take pics or record video with it.

I'm gonna ask a question and you can't can not answer, obviously your choice. The biggest thing that I question when it comes to the ball model is sound. I don't understand how I can even hear the sound of me typing this. The earth is spinning at 1000ish mph, it is moving 60,000 ish mph, then the solar system itself is moving hundreds of thousands of mph (if I'm wrong correct me.) I can wrap my head around the notion that we are all moving with the atmosphere.
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Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

What I can not seem to understand is sound. Sound isn't tangible. It doesn't exist at all until the moment it does. So when anything makes a sound, just given the speed of rotation of the earth the sound shouldn't be able to keep up. Let alone the 60 or so thousand it's moving around the sun. Can you explain how that works? Where am I flawed?
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Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
My wife is dying for me to make a donation to St Jude and apply for the space trip later this year. The one I asked you about earlier. I told her there is NO WAY they would ever accept me. But she's tired of my view on it. Help me help her LOL. Make sound make sense and I could jump ship in an instant.
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I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
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Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

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So you're coming out as a globe tard. How very interesting and gay.
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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

...


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you are easily brainwashed, got it.

You didnt need to make a big long post about it.
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Maybe I am. Maybe I was brainwashed by believing flat earth, maybe I'm brainwashed by not. That's the beauty of it all. You know about as much as I do. It's how we choose to process information that makes us different! Thanks for your input.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


I believe in flat earth through observation.

I go up high on a mountain, its flat as far as the eye can see.

I feel the suns heat when it is overhead, it does not look or feel 93 million miles away.

If you think you are being brainwashed just turn off your computer and go outside.

The stars spin in a circle over our heads, if we were on a ball turning left to right, all the stars would travel on a straight line.

Theres many facets and layers to this thing.
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Flat earth is for adults with a grade school public education. Every flat earth tard I know doesn't even have a high school diploma.
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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

...

Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
...

It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

...

Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

...

Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
...

I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman

 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you're coming out as a globe tard. How very interesting and gay.
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LOL "gay"

Great reply.
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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

Is that a pic of ISS?
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Yes. My best picture of it yet. Took it early in the Crew-1 mission currently docked to ISS.
And do you have pics of the Tesla? How far away is the Tesla actually from earth?
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It was nearly 8 times the distance to the moon when I last saw it.

I have a telescope...it's like a 6 year old Orion Starseeker 2. I love to take it out and look at the moon and the stars. In my head, I have no idea what I'm looking at, the way the stars shimmer and the way the edge of the moon is sometimes greenish. It's wild to look at that shit. I wish I had the capability to take pics or record video with it.

I'm gonna ask a question and you can't can not answer, obviously your choice. The biggest thing that I question when it comes to the ball model is sound. I don't understand how I can even hear the sound of me typing this. The earth is spinning at 1000ish mph, it is moving 60,000 ish mph, then the solar system itself is moving hundreds of thousands of mph (if I'm wrong correct me.) I can wrap my head around the notion that we are all moving with the atmosphere.
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Conservation of angular momentum. The atmosphere is moving (roughly) with the surface of the earth. We share the same momentum. The momentum carried by air across different latitudes (with less rotation towards the poles) causes the rotation of hurricanes and it's why they rotate differently in the northern vs southern hemispheres.

What I can not seem to understand is sound. Sound isn't tangible. It doesn't exist at all until the moment it does. So when anything makes a sound, just given the speed of rotation of the earth the sound shouldn't be able to keep up. Let alone the 60 or so thousand it's moving around the sun. Can you explain how that works? Where am I flawed?
 Quoting: Concerned

Sound is our perception of pressure waves moving through air. The speed of sound is relative to the mass of air it's moving through.
My wife is dying for me to make a donation to St Jude and apply for the space trip later this year. The one I asked you about earlier. I told her there is NO WAY they would ever accept me. But she's tired of my view on it. Help me help her LOL. Make sound make sense and I could jump ship in an instant.
 Quoting: Concerned

I threw a few bucks to it, might as well have my name in the hat. It's for a good cause. You should try for it, I'd love to see a flat earther get in that capsule.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously, thanks for that. I haven't yet, but as soon as I get a free second I'm going to watch the vid. I appreciate the time you took to reply to all of that.

LOL ya know what, I have the extra money to donate and for the chance to prove the ball to me sitting next to the famous Dr.Astro...fuckin' worth it to me haha.

Thanks again brother.
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 Quoting: ConcernedHuman



As of December 24 2020 though

Geophysicists Confirm Plato’s Theory—the Earth Is Made of Cubes


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I just want to say that I'm not a shill. I'm not a troll (at least not in this post, I do plenty of trolling though.) I'm just a dude that may have gotten too caught up in the internet.

On to the topic at hand:

My biggest question with the ball earth has always been sound and I couldn't make it make sense in my head. Well...Astro just did it. The explanation is below.

I have been saying for a few years, and it's my tag line, that "I want the truth. We all deserve it." I have been a "flat earther" for so many years now. I have been on the bandwagon of every popular flat earther and just as many unpopular ones. The problem with me is that I never looked at opposing viewpoints long enough to understand them. I would just say "well that doesn't make sense to me so it must be false." That is very unfair to myself. If I am blasted with the truth and I ignore it, that doesn't make me any better than the people who are actually lying. I have to be honest with myself. I have to take in the evidence I've been presented. I have to process it. Then I have apply to my own thoughts and my own conditioning and my own flaws. This isn't only true about flat earth but literally everything in my life.

This is my coming out party essentially. I am emerging from the flat earth closet and I'm admitting that I think I was wrong. God dammit, my fuckin friends are going to bust my balls when I come clean with them. LOL. It's hard admitting I'm wrong because I, like many flat earthers, have been mean and rude in my defense of my belief. I will have to apologize to the ones I was rude to. I will have to show them why I decided to change my mind. I will have to humble myself. That is never an easy pill to swallow.

Astromut, I hope you don't mind me posting this in it's own thread. If I'm violating some rule by doing so, by all means, get rid of it. I think you get so much shit from so many people that come at you hot and you reply in kind. When I approached you I did it with an open mind and with respect. Because of that, I believe, you took time out of your life to explain to me why I'm most likely wrong. I can't argue it. I won't anymore.

And Astro, here's to raising this glass to the 1 in a billion chance we both end up on that rocket with a billionaire. If it happens...I may ask him (just a few) questions about his role in the illuminati but that's to be expected LOL!

Thanks again.

...

 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


So you are easily brainwashed, got it.

You didnt need to make a big long post about it.
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Maybe I am. Maybe I was brainwashed by believing flat earth, maybe I'm brainwashed by not. That's the beauty of it all. You know about as much as I do. It's how we choose to process information that makes us different! Thanks for your input.
 Quoting: ConcernedHuman


Every government agency is against you, but NASA [another agency] is here to save you...

"Trust the plan"... we're going to the moon...no wait, mars ... no wait...moon.. trust the plan...

Similar concept, an imaginary carrot on a stick to lead the masses into demise.
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I'm not saying Astro has made me trust nasa. I still think they're full of shit. I don't know that for sure though...that's the point of this whole thing is to question my paradigm. Something that not enough people do.
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If you arent sharp enough to pick apart astroshills nonsense, then you shouldn't be trying to debate something this big.

Astros defenses and arguments are very easy to pick apart and he always bans anyone with half a brain cell who can challenge him.

I am perma ip banned from his threads.
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I'd be curious, and I say this with no confrontational undertone, to pick his replies to me apart. If he's wrong in your eyes, please share!
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Well in your particular case all he did was say "conservation of angular momentum " and post a youtube video.

Well im going to need more than that sorry.

Also sound is not the end game argument.

The sun moon stars and weather are.

The sun does not appear to be 93 million miles away.

Increased altitude equals increased apparent size of the sun.

Also the suns heat can be felt directly overhead, but not at the horizon.

Again there are many layers to all this
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google HF propagation tools, there are a number, but its cool to see how the ionosphere is working in real time. Proves without a doubt the globe model is true.
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Oh you seem to be out of date also.

Geophysicists Confirm Plato’s Theory—the Earth Is Made of Cubes

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OP is a fucking moran to have ever believed in flat earth to begin with. It's laughable how stupid the concept is given all of the logical proof of a round planet.

Must have been born after 1990 because I haven't met a person born after that date that has critical thinking skills.
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Yall need to give Op a break. Do you know how RARE it is today for someone to able to have an opinion, consider contrary evidence reasonably, AND THEN CHANGE that opinion??
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But science does that like every 10-15 years. cruise

Geophysicists Confirm Plato’s Theory—the Earth Is Made of Cubes

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Flat earth is for adults with a grade school public education. Every flat earth tard I know doesn't even have a high school diploma.
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Flat earth is for adults with a grade school public education. Every flat earth tard I know doesn't even have a high school diploma.
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Ah so the argument is either be brainwashed by the public school system, or if you question what they say you are a tard?

Is that right?
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Flat earth is for adults with a grade school public education. Every flat earth tard I know doesn't even have a high school diploma.
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This is a bullshit reply. Sorry dude.

I know plenty of flat earthers that have higher education than myself...and I did graduate high school. Never went further than that but regardless...education means little when you're talking about intelligence. Not to say I'm intelligent, I'm not, but there are plenty of flat earthers who are.
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