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Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't really research it unless you go to school and learn calculus and physics. Otherwise you are just "reading". And there are lots of crackpot idiots out there, writing all sorts of crap. You must learn so you may discern. You are assuming that we haven’t been to school to study calculus and physics... Well, I guess the vaccination didn't take. You got exposed to an education but it did not enter your brain. (You studied calc and physics but never heard of Euler's number? repeat the training. or give up. It's all good. The education DID enter my brain, for it taught me how to THINK, not regurgitate information. That’s part of the reason I have come to accept flat earth as the truth. |
Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hate to sound like an asshole, but this whole live stream show seems soooooooooo staged and rehearsed. This feels like one giant propaganda piece. Quoting: Some Guy From Andromeda Look! Everyone at NASA is just like in Star Trek--look at all the ethnic diversity we have here. Look how smart we all are! Look at how science is the be-all end-all answer to every question in the universe. Scientists are cool and trendy. Oh, and we're all wearing TWO masks because....SCIENCE! Ugh. This is fucking lame. The fact that there is probably an army of sheep out there in awe of this whole charade makes me want to vomit. |
Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If my question sounds ignorant please forgive me but what if anything would a simple compass read on the surface of mars ? Quoting: crowfluence Not at all. Good question actually. Mars has no detectable magnetic field similar to earth, so a compass wouldn't work. There is good evidence Mars may have had a magnetic field in the distant past based upon magnetic measurements of igneous rocks on Mars by the other rovers. It is believed that Mars lost the bulk of its atmosphere when it lost is magnetic field which protects the atmosphere from solar wind. You are pulling disinformation out of your ass. |
ConcernedHuman
User ID: 79851275 United States 02/18/2021 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I just explained. Astrometrically and confirmed the coordinates against what the telescope itself reported. But you still work with the assumption that the stars are billions of miles away? Not an assumption. I've measured that too. That’s based on the assumption that the New Horizons probe is actually hundreds of thousands of miles from earth. And I can assure you, it was not. That’s where your measurements fall like a house of cards. Now even the Mars distance isn’t sound evidence... It's things like this that make me glad I am at least on the fence and not full on flat tard. The evidence Astro has provided is more proof than anything any flat earther can provide. You can "you can assure him, it was not" but you can't assure anyone of it. You can't prove New Horizons isn't in space. Again, I'm not being mean. But I used to spout stupid shit like this all the time. I would just say things without offering anything else. We need to stop doing that. I want the truth. We all deserve it. |
Justme C'est Moi
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79368329 United States 02/18/2021 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If my question sounds ignorant please forgive me but what if anything would a simple compass read on the surface of mars ? Quoting: crowfluence Not at all. Good question actually. Mars has no detectable magnetic field similar to earth, so a compass wouldn't work. There is good evidence Mars may have had a magnetic field in the distant past based upon magnetic measurements of igneous rocks on Mars by the other rovers. It is believed that Mars lost the bulk of its atmosphere when it lost is magnetic field which protects the atmosphere from solar wind. Thank you . The drone landing there today will shed some light on what happened to the magnetic field . Maybe a little insight into what might happen here some day . |
exlibris
User ID: 73888120 United States 02/18/2021 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute bullshit. They probably filmed the “landing” somewhere in northern Canada. The earth is flat, and Mars is a mere celestial luminary, not a rocky spheroid that can be landed on. Quoting: Hartz This is bulshit as well in your opinion... https://twitter.com/_/status/1362469345532633088 Last Edited by exlibris on 02/18/2021 03:02 PM think for yourself... it's the sane thing to do ~exlibris |
Hartz
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Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I just explained. Astrometrically and confirmed the coordinates against what the telescope itself reported. But you still work with the assumption that the stars are billions of miles away? Not an assumption. I've measured that too. That’s based on the assumption that the New Horizons probe is actually hundreds of thousands of miles from earth. And I can assure you, it was not. I don't care about your assurances. Show some actual proof for that accusation. Every time I've measured distances to a NASA spacecraft it has been what they said it was. Time and time again, my observational proof trumps your assurances. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Justme C'est Moi You can't really research it unless you go to school and learn calculus and physics. Otherwise you are just "reading". And there are lots of crackpot idiots out there, writing all sorts of crap. You must learn so you may discern. You are assuming that we haven’t been to school to study calculus and physics... Well, I guess the vaccination didn't take. You got exposed to an education but it did not enter your brain. (You studied calc and physics but never heard of Euler's number? repeat the training. or give up. It's all good. The education DID enter my brain, for it taught me how to THINK, not regurgitate information. That’s part of the reason I have come to accept flat earth as the truth. You do not think critically or rationally, you deliberately ignore evidence that contradicts your religious beliefs. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute bullshit. They probably filmed the “landing” somewhere in northern Canada. The earth is flat, and Mars is a mere celestial luminary, not a rocky spheroid that can be landed on. Quoting: Hartz This is bulshit as well in your opinion... https://twitter.com/_/status/1362469345532633088 I recognize that photo, wish they actually gave credit to who took it. He's really good at it, can't think of his name at the moment. |
Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That’s based on the assumption that the New Horizons probe is actually hundreds of thousands of miles from earth. And I can assure you, it was not. That’s where your measurements fall like a house of cards. Now even the Mars distance isn’t sound evidence... It's things like this that make me glad I am at least on the fence and not full on flat tard. The evidence Astro has provided is more proof than anything any flat earther can provide. You can "you can assure him, it was not" but you can't assure anyone of it. You can't prove New Horizons isn't in space. Again, I'm not being mean. But I used to spout stupid shit like this all the time. I would just say things without offering anything else. We need to stop doing that. All Astro’s purported proof is based on assumptions, which need the truthful premises of NASA and other space agencies to be true. But those space agencies are not truthful. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You mean bringing light to this thread? The majority of what you see in the original post is disinformation... I've actually measured the distance of this Rover and I've plotted its trajectory from my own observations, it all adds up. You are trying to get people to ignore the evidence I have presented. Now you are accusing me of disinformation. Provide proof of that accusation or retract it. Last Edited by Astromut on 02/18/2021 03:05 PM |
Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute bullshit. They probably filmed the “landing” somewhere in northern Canada. The earth is flat, and Mars is a mere celestial luminary, not a rocky spheroid that can be landed on. Quoting: Hartz This is bulshit as well in your opinion... https://twitter.com/_/status/1362469345532633088 Yes, cgi. |
Mayor of Simpleton
User ID: 77024451 United States 02/18/2021 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Landing is expected around 3:55 pm eastern, 20:55 UT. Entry, descent and landing will take about 7 minutes, but the one way light time from Mars is a little over 11 minutes right now. That means that by the time we hear the first signal of the spacecraft reaching atmospheric interface, the rover will either have been safely on the surface or crashed for over 4 minutes. Quoting: Astromut That's some serious lag. Maybe they need a Vee Pee Inn. ;-) MoS Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That’s based on the assumption that the New Horizons probe is actually hundreds of thousands of miles from earth. And I can assure you, it was not. That’s where your measurements fall like a house of cards. Now even the Mars distance isn’t sound evidence... It's things like this that make me glad I am at least on the fence and not full on flat tard. The evidence Astro has provided is more proof than anything any flat earther can provide. You can "you can assure him, it was not" but you can't assure anyone of it. You can't prove New Horizons isn't in space. Again, I'm not being mean. But I used to spout stupid shit like this all the time. I would just say things without offering anything else. We need to stop doing that. All Astro’s purported proof is based on assumptions, which need the truthful premises of NASA and other space agencies to be true. But those space agencies are not truthful. That is false. I have provided observational proof, you are grasping at straws trying to get people to ignore it. I confirmed that NASA's mission is real independently of NASA. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute bullshit. They probably filmed the “landing” somewhere in northern Canada. The earth is flat, and Mars is a mere celestial luminary, not a rocky spheroid that can be landed on. Quoting: Hartz This is bulshit as well in your opinion... https://twitter.com/_/status/1362469345532633088 Yes, cgi. That is an amateur photograph of the space station transiting the moon. It is independent proof. Just like mine. Do not make accusations that you cannot support with evidence. Am I clear? |
Wayfaring Stranger
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ConcernedHuman
User ID: 79851275 United States 02/18/2021 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Well, I guess the vaccination didn't take. You got exposed to an education but it did not enter your brain. (You studied calc and physics but never heard of Euler's number? repeat the training. or give up. It's all good. The education DID enter my brain, for it taught me how to THINK, not regurgitate information. That’s part of the reason I have come to accept flat earth as the truth. You do not think critically or rationally, you deliberately ignore evidence that contradicts your religious beliefs. Astromut, you are projecting. I have dismantled your house of cards by showing that it is all based on the belief that NASA is telling the truth about all their missions. You say you have measured the distances to their missions...how can you see them when they are over 3000 miles away??? If you keep biting at his ankles, bruh, he's gonna boot ya. I want the truth. We all deserve it. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Well, I guess the vaccination didn't take. You got exposed to an education but it did not enter your brain. (You studied calc and physics but never heard of Euler's number? repeat the training. or give up. It's all good. The education DID enter my brain, for it taught me how to THINK, not regurgitate information. That’s part of the reason I have come to accept flat earth as the truth. You do not think critically or rationally, you deliberately ignore evidence that contradicts your religious beliefs. Astromut, you are projecting. I have dismantled your house of cards by showing that it is all based on the belief that NASA is telling the truth about all their missions. You say you have measured the distances to their missions...how can you see them when they are over 3000 miles away??? Do the math. The expected apparent magnitude for an object this size at that kind of distance is generally around magnitude 15 or 16 while it's still in the vicinity of the Earth and the moon. That is well within the range of an amateur telescope like mine. It isn't necessary to resolve it as more than a point light source in order to detect it. You have dismantled nothing, you haven't provided any evidence at all against all of my proof, all of which confirms that this mission is real. You've provided no explanation for my evidence whatsoever. The evidence all points in the direction of this mission being real. With your next post you will either back up your accusation that I posted disinformation or you will retract your claim. Your choice. |
Hartz
User ID: 77917231 United States 02/18/2021 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute bullshit. They probably filmed the “landing” somewhere in northern Canada. The earth is flat, and Mars is a mere celestial luminary, not a rocky spheroid that can be landed on. Quoting: Hartz This is bulshit as well in your opinion... https://twitter.com/_/status/1362469345532633088 Yes, cgi. That is an amateur photograph of the space station transiting the moon. It is independent proof. Just like mine. Do not make accusations that you cannot support with evidence. Am I clear? Let’s say you are right. And those two photographs aren’t cgi. That still doesn’t prove that the earth is spherical or that Mars is a rocky spherical body that can be landed on... |
ConcernedHuman
User ID: 79851275 United States 02/18/2021 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is an amateur photograph of the space station transiting the moon. It is independent proof. Just like mine. Do not make accusations that you cannot support with evidence. Am I clear? Let’s say you are right. And those two photographs aren’t cgi. That still doesn’t prove that the earth is spherical or that Mars is a rocky spherical body that can be landed on... LOL dude... I want the truth. We all deserve it. |
Remedial_Rebel
User ID: 78258400 United States 02/18/2021 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are assuming that we haven’t been to school to study calculus and physics.. Quoting: Hartz If my question sounds ignorant please forgive me but what if anything would a simple compass read on the surface of mars ? Quoting: crowfluence Not at all. Good question actually. Mars has no detectable magnetic field similar to earth, so a compass wouldn't work. There is good evidence Mars may have had a magnetic field in the distant past based upon magnetic measurements of igneous rocks on Mars by the other rovers. It is believed that Mars lost the bulk of its atmosphere when it lost is magnetic field which protects the atmosphere from solar wind. You are pulling disinformation out of your ass. Brilliant response!! Good example of your study of calculus and physics. Last Edited by Remedial_Rebel on 02/18/2021 03:24 PM |
mellonhead
User ID: 77809731 Austria 02/18/2021 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NASA will attempt to land the Perseverance rover on Mars today. Live coverage will begin on NASA TV at 2:30 pm eastern, 19:30 UT. Quoting: Astromut Perseverance shares a lot in common with the previous Curiosity rover, including the skycrane landing system. Some notable improvements include a zoom lens for the Mastcam (which uses the same KAI-2020CM CCD that I used to film Perseverance departing earth the night after its launch), a system for collecting and depositing samples to be picked up for a later Mars sample return mission, additional science payloads like MOXIE which will be the first in-situ resource utilization test on Mars to generate oxygen. The upgraded cameras and microphones will capture the sights and sounds of the landing to be transmitted back to earth afterwards. It also brings along a technology demonstrator named Ingenuity, a small helicopter drone with large blades to make the first attempt at powered flight on another world. Here are images I captured of Perseverance's cruise stage headed towards Mars with my telescope and ST-2000XCM (which uses the KAI-2020CM CCD): [link to drive.google.com (secure)] It's the faint object moving from bottom left to top right. Using a simultaneous image from a telescope I controlled over the internet in California, I was able to measure the distance using parallax, and putting together all the data I was able to plot the trajectory and show that it was indeed on-course for Mars: I did a live stream of my tracking of Perseverance right here on GLP: Thread: Tracking the Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover Tonight! Hermie Gothe |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/18/2021 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is an amateur photograph of the space station transiting the moon. It is independent proof. Just like mine. Do not make accusations that you cannot support with evidence. Am I clear? Let’s say you are right. And those two photographs aren’t cgi. That still doesn’t prove that the earth is spherical or that Mars is a rocky spherical body that can be landed on... I am right. They are not CGI. Accusations like that are highly offensive to the hard work put into capture those images. You don't seem to understand what you're saying or the implications thereof. |
Father Jack Hackett
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Some Guy From Andromeda
User ID: 25122689 United States 02/18/2021 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is an amateur photograph of the space station transiting the moon. It is independent proof. Just like mine. Do not make accusations that you cannot support with evidence. Am I clear? Let’s say you are right. And those two photographs aren’t cgi. That still doesn’t prove that the earth is spherical or that Mars is a rocky spherical body that can be landed on... I am right. They are not CGI. Accusations like that are highly offensive to the hard work put into capture those images. You don't seem to understand what you're saying or the implications thereof. I have a 10" celestron telescope and I've played around with stacking software. I'm not very good at it....but I know all too well the work and skill and patience that goes into making a photo like that. And your photo of the space station is amazing! I'm not for a second doubting that it's real. Having said that, I watched a video once on NASA's web site that claimed to be an actual "camera" going around the sun. It was absolutely 100% CGI and people were going nuts about how amazing science is. In the video, the flares were coming off the sun in real time, yet the camera was swinging around the sun so fast that the only way the "vide" could have been real would have been if the probe with the camera was traveling several times faster than light. |
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MessengerInTheLastDays
User ID: 73593533 United States 02/18/2021 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this real?? Is this thing really going to land on Mars? Do you have eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to understand? JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY WAY to SALVATION, DELIVERANCE and PEACE! Soon his grace will be taken from the earth and his WRATH will be poured out. Accept JESUS CHRIST while the GRACE of GOD is still available. May the Peace of God be with you! Love, Pray, Repent and Forgive. |