Perseverance Surface Checkout Briefing

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Exemplary job on this thread Astro. I enjoy your personal observations and imagery as well.

Don't know if I really get you, but this whole thing is AWESOME. Eagerly awaiting for pictures(maybe even videos?) from mars surface!

where did the delivery Vehicle that dropped it off go to under power? orbit ..or controlled landing nearby.. does it too have a CCD on it?

Had you been so inclined how difficult would it be to create this video with CGI?

I know the answer, I'm just wondering how honest you will be in your reply.

The point is, this is not evidence, and I think you know that.

Your anger at being called a liar is not evidence either, but what is evidence you are indeed lying is your methods you employ to silence solid criticism.

What we do have as evidence is NASA's claims and your claim that you have imaged the probe on a trajectory to Mars, and a further claim this proves the probe landed on Mars and is sending data back to Earth. Having witnessed government incompetence and dishonesty all my life and seen failure after failure, I find it difficult to believe any bureaucracy connected with the US Federal Government government could accomplish such a complex mission, and I find it equally unlikely they would not lie to me.

Surely you can't blame people for being skeptical about claims a government agency makes, or wondering what your stake in the game is. It's hard to believe it's just a hobby, seems more like a job, and your choice of venues for publishing scientific evidence seems suspect as well.

In other words if you're really a straight up astronomy geek, why arent you on an astronomy forum instead of a conspiracy forum, and what the hell are you doing moderating a conspiracy forum?

Mars is the Planet of War

We knew forty years ago it was dead and uninhabitable. The atmospheric pressure is so low your blood would boil. There is no magnetic field and the surface is bathed in solar and cosmic radiation.

What it does provide is an opportunity to make money and lots of it for a select few, at the common mans expense.

Until we no longer have starving children or people going for days without electricity and freezing to death here on Earth in our own country, we need to set our priorities to solving real problems.

I think they use a modified GoPro to capture the Rover as it descended from the crane. it sent all its data down by cable to the Rover for storage though because the crane flew off to deliberately crash itself after delivering the rover.

If they were real scientists they would not be sitting there with double face masks on.

The only thing missing was a huge portrait of the great leader Xiden behind them.

just one question astro,

If perseverance finds water, or anything interesting, will it turn around and go the other way like oppertunity?

Thread: My favorite pictures of Mars water (Sol 194), including dune buggy tire tracks

You claiming that I could have faked it is not evidence that I faked it. It also doesn't change the fact that what I presented is evidence. That is a fact, it's not up for debate. You have not presented any evidence that I'm lying, nor have you presented any evidence that my images are CGI. I know for a fact that you are wrong. Anyone could have done what I did, and anyone can examine my image data If they want to try to find evidence that I faked it. I'll gladly send you the raw FITS files from both telescopes. It will then be incumbent on you to show any evidence that the raw, uncompressed, high bit depth image data was faked.

Very true. For instance with Apollo there were millions of parts built by multiple contractors, all the lowest bidder, which had to function in perfect harmony with all of the others, the failure of any one of which would have caused a fatal catastrophe. And yet in 9 missions, 6 of which landed men on the moon, not a single death or even one serious injury occurred.


As a scientist, what are your feelings on the probability of this being a true rendition of a real scientific accomplishment, given the period of time it took place during the peak of the cold war, and the fact that Nixon was President during every mission?
If it was true, they must have been blessed by the Virgin Mary herself and had jesus riding along.

really? seems like it could have set down.. ok gotta ask how close is the landing site to teh Cydonia Region?

also in heres a interactive map of Mars .. just for reference .. mouse over for teh names .. click for detail

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What are you talking about? Apollo one killed three astronauts. Apollo 13 nearly killed another three. Apollo 14 had to be recoded in mid-flight due to a short circuit with the abort system. Etc etc. These missions were not miraculously perfect.

sorry, fixed it...

And neither is your claim that you didnt fake it. Given I have no horse in the race, why would I lie? No Astro, not anyone could have done what you claim to have.

Apollo one was not a space mission, the accident occurred on the ground. A lot of people believe it was the intentional murder of NASA critic Gus Grissom, myself included. I also think Apollo 13 was a made for TV special.

With the atmospheric pressure on Mars, water cannot possibly exist in the liquid form.

Very good points and questions. Either a paid gatekeeper assigned here or assigned here as punishment for some violation or crime.

It's not up to me to prove a negative. I am providing the raw data, it's up to you to prove your accusation.

You are the one making the insinuation, it does not require you to "lie" for you to be wrong. It is up to you to support your claim. Here is the directory with all of the raw image data, with the astrometric solution embedded.
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The files are still uploading, there's about 35 minutes left on the upload. The ball is now in your court, provide proof that I faked it. Otherwise my evidence stands. That's how this works.

Prove your accusation. I will not tolerate attempts to poison the well.

WRONG. All I need do is prove you COULD HAVE very easily faked it, and are inclined to do so by establishing a pattern.

gee, that is a conundrum, now isn't it?

Have you seen water in a dirt desert before?

Wrong. It very much was a space mission, one that never made it off the pad. You claimed no one died. Three astronauts paid with their lives, another three had a very close call, and others also had to work around major issues.

I'm not a charlatan. You were warned. You have provided no evidence to back up your false accusation. You're done.

Dude, we are in the 21st century and people here with a mentality of a 14th century peasant...

Astro, I almost envy your patience with these wackadoodles...

I second that!

Wrong. That is not how this works. I have provided high bit depth data complete with metadata and astrometry, you have not provided one iota of proof that I faked it or even "could have easily faked it." There are over 300 mb of raw, uncompressed image data there complete with astrometric solutions for each image. The resulting coordinates of the spacecraft observed in the images translates not only to a viable orbit, but one that traces back to the launch and shows a trajectory on-course for Mars. These are not trivial pieces of evidence, it demonstrates far more than just capturing a light in the sky. You have proven nothing and my evidence stands.

Last Edited by Astromut on 02/19/2021 05:44 PM

Your toxic demeanor is poison enough. No normal person would choose a conspiracy forum to present mainstream information as fact and not expect and welcome strong criticism. There are several important dots to connect here, and they start to form a certain picture.