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Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/19/2021 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, 99% sure I know who this is. The same person who used to claim there was no way I was smart enough to create a spreadsheet to predict the moon's location and field rotation. A reasonably smart fourth grader could do that. Nope, not me who denied it. So you're not IDW then? Coincidence that you use his internet service then, but ok... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80069192 United States 02/19/2021 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, 99% sure I know who this is. The same person who used to claim there was no way I was smart enough to create a spreadsheet to predict the moon's location and field rotation. A reasonably smart fourth grader could do that. Nope, not me who denied it. So you're not IDW then? Coincidence that you use his internet service then, but ok... I might have said it. My memory is not total recall. Personally I dont think you come across as exceptionally intelligent based on your debate skills and your methods. Smart people dont ban and delete the opponent, they eviscerate him, like I do you. |
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Helo
User ID: 79280147 United States 02/19/2021 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HOW DO THEY TEST ALL THIS STUFF ON EARTH TO MAKE SURE IT WILL WORK ON MARS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78623023 DO THEY LAUNCH THESE DEVICES INTO ORBIT THEN HAVE THEM LAND BACK ON EARTH TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WILL WORK. OR DO THEY JUST TO DO COMPUTATIONAL TEST TO SIMULATE HOW IT WILL ALL WORK ONCE IT GETS TO MARS? As you so clearly imply, all of the code written for the devices is in ALL CAPS. That's really the only way to transmit data, whether computer code, or board messages. "Peace in our time? All it took was everybody about to die." “The way I see it, there’s only three kinds of people in this world. Bad ones, ones you follow, and ones you need to protect.” - Amos Burton |
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KIT User ID: 76127092 United States 02/19/2021 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I have done more than anyone else here to personally investigate this mission. I spent hours with multiple telescopes tracking it from launch out to the moon, plotting its trajectory, verifying where it came from and where it was going. No one else even tried, so all of my haters can fuck right off. :Perseverancetraj: That isn't NASA data, that's my data, from my images, plotted in my software. So what? Numbers dont prove anything. You cant prove that rover is on mars. And all your hours of calculations dont prove anything either. If you were really legit you wouldnt care about convincing some people who dont believe you. Actually it proves they sent something to Mars. Those numbers come from observational data, I didn't just pull them out of my ass like you did with that post of yours just now. I don't care about convincing you, I want to make you look stupid. I don't want you to believe me, actually. I actually want you to disbelieve me so that you will make yourself look ridiculous when a rational person sees the mountain of evidence I've generated versus the unsupported claims that you offer in response. Your argument from "nuh-uh" gets you nowhere with reasonable people. You're not a reasonable person though, and I have no interest in convincing you. I derive great joy and gathering this mountain of evidence that backs up everything NASA has said so that I can cram it down your throat. If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80069192 United States 02/19/2021 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72534364 So what? Numbers dont prove anything. You cant prove that rover is on mars. And all your hours of calculations dont prove anything either. If you were really legit you wouldnt care about convincing some people who dont believe you. Actually it proves they sent something to Mars. Those numbers come from observational data, I didn't just pull them out of my ass like you did with that post of yours just now. I don't care about convincing you, I want to make you look stupid. I don't want you to believe me, actually. I actually want you to disbelieve me so that you will make yourself look ridiculous when a rational person sees the mountain of evidence I've generated versus the unsupported claims that you offer in response. Your argument from "nuh-uh" gets you nowhere with reasonable people. You're not a reasonable person though, and I have no interest in convincing you. I derive great joy and gathering this mountain of evidence that backs up everything NASA has said so that I can cram it down your throat. If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. You're right, no one can. But thats not how science works at all. Every piece of data is critically analyzed and if shown to be in doubt for any reason must be disregarded. The fact that the data could simply have been fabricated and he cannot prove it wasn't creates considerable doubt. Now if anyone who doubted it could independently verify it , it would be evidence. In this case that is impossible, since no one else did so. If I am wrong show me where someone else imaged the probe out to the moon and plotted a trajectory. If you did the later part, you'd have found the source of his data. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79983103 Germany 02/19/2021 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Astromut for your many great posts and keeping us updated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79983103 More like entertained with sci fi. You come across as a special kind of stupid. That's not what they tell me. They tell you nothing as it is all in your head And your head is way out on the plains. |
KIT User ID: 76127092 United States 02/19/2021 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Then prove it. You have provided no proof that it's a trivial matter to fake all of this data. Prove a negative? Nope. I'm not asking you to prove a negative. You made an affirmative claim that it's easy to fake all this data. You have provided no evidence of that. I dont have to prove it isn't true, you have o prove it is, and you cannot. Quoting: ACI'm not going to prove your statement is true. That's silly. You made the affirmative claim, you have failed to support your conjecture. So let me get this straight, you have proved your data is real, and reliable? Your personality and your methods betray you. Yes he has. His data is publicly available and peer reviewable to the community. Buren of proof is on you to find the flaws. Review it and give us the synopsis of his fuckups please. Otherwise shut the fuck up. |
Helo
User ID: 79280147 United States 02/19/2021 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77646250 Very true. For instance with Apollo there were millions of parts built by multiple contractors, all the lowest bidder, which had to function in perfect harmony with all of the others, the failure of any one of which would have caused a fatal catastrophe. And yet in 9 missions, 6 of which landed men on the moon, not a single death or even one serious injury occurred. As a scientist, what are your feelings on the probability of this being a true rendition of a real scientific accomplishment, given the period of time it took place during the peak of the cold war, and the fact that Nixon was President during every mission? If it was true, they must have been blessed by the Virgin Mary herself and had jesus riding along. What are you talking about? Apollo one killed three astronauts. Apollo 13 nearly killed another three. Apollo 14 had to be recoded in mid-flight due to a short circuit with the abort system. Etc etc. These missions were not miraculously perfect. Murdered three. I fix for you! "how are we going to get to the moon when we cant talk between three buildings"- Five minutes later he was a crispy critter To me, the greater issue is: What REALLY inspired the U.S. to create NASA? Why did we do a limited number of trips and then didn't go back? Why would we name the moon mission after the Olympian God of the SUN? What was the Apollo astronaut (forget which one) who is heard on the audio tapes talking about when he was telling Houston about finding "what we're looking for" and describing small glass beads they were obviously expecting to find? The answer to all of these questions: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by IAMTHATGUY on 02/19/2021 07:17 PM "Peace in our time? All it took was everybody about to die." “The way I see it, there’s only three kinds of people in this world. Bad ones, ones you follow, and ones you need to protect.” - Amos Burton |
KIT User ID: 76127092 United States 02/19/2021 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Actually it proves they sent something to Mars. Those numbers come from observational data, I didn't just pull them out of my ass like you did with that post of yours just now. I don't care about convincing you, I want to make you look stupid. I don't want you to believe me, actually. I actually want you to disbelieve me so that you will make yourself look ridiculous when a rational person sees the mountain of evidence I've generated versus the unsupported claims that you offer in response. Your argument from "nuh-uh" gets you nowhere with reasonable people. You're not a reasonable person though, and I have no interest in convincing you. I derive great joy and gathering this mountain of evidence that backs up everything NASA has said so that I can cram it down your throat. If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. You're right, no one can. But thats not how science works at all. Every piece of data is critically analyzed and if shown to be in doubt for any reason must be disregarded. The fact that the data could simply have been fabricated and he cannot prove it wasn't creates considerable doubt. Now if anyone who doubted it could independently verify it , it would be evidence. In this case that is impossible, since no one else did so. If I am wrong show me where someone else imaged the probe out to the moon and plotted a trajectory. If you did the later part, you'd have found the source of his data. Your thought experiments are not "critical analysis". And can not bring his proofs into doubt. You want me to doubt him. Go get a telescope. Go outside and live stream you setting it up and point to his exact coordinates. Do the plots, do the orbitals and SHOW ME proof that he is wrong. Where is your video, where is your telescope? Where is your photographic evidence to counter his? |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/19/2021 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Actually it proves they sent something to Mars. Those numbers come from observational data, I didn't just pull them out of my ass like you did with that post of yours just now. I don't care about convincing you, I want to make you look stupid. I don't want you to believe me, actually. I actually want you to disbelieve me so that you will make yourself look ridiculous when a rational person sees the mountain of evidence I've generated versus the unsupported claims that you offer in response. Your argument from "nuh-uh" gets you nowhere with reasonable people. You're not a reasonable person though, and I have no interest in convincing you. I derive great joy and gathering this mountain of evidence that backs up everything NASA has said so that I can cram it down your throat. If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. You're right, no one can. But thats not how science works at all. Every piece of data is critically analyzed and if shown to be in doubt for any reason must be disregarded. Dismissing it because you claim it could have been easily faked is not critical analysis. You have failed to support your claim that it is easily faked. You have failed to produce any evidence at all that it is fake. Your entire argument is an appeal to personal incredulity, not a critical analysis. I livestreamed the acquisition of this entire dataset. It's up to you to provide proof I faked it. Thread: Tracking the Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover Tonight! |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/19/2021 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one question Astro has never answered is [what the hell is a person who defends and SHILLS for NASA doing moderating a forum full of conspiracy theorists and realists, most of whom distrust the government?] Seems like an unusual arrangement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80069192 Already answered multiple times. Stop lying. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79599653 United Kingdom 02/19/2021 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well done keep showing them the truth mate you have so many haters because you prove them wrong you’re the best at it no one does anything like you do and who can actually throw the math and evidence in there faces !!! Please help me out Astro as you’re the boss when it comes to space why do so many astronauts say different about the stars whilst in space some say they can see all the stars wether it’s day or night and some say it’s nothing but darkness up there I’d be very grateful if you could help me figure this out been searching on it for weeks and just run into flat earth muppets saying the stars and astronauts are fake |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45326593 United States 02/20/2021 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I have done more than anyone else here to personally investigate this mission. I spent hours with multiple telescopes tracking it from launch out to the moon, plotting its trajectory, verifying where it came from and where it was going. No one else even tried, so all of my haters can fuck right off. :Perseverancetraj: That isn't NASA data, that's my data, from my images, plotted in my software. So what? Numbers dont prove anything. You cant prove that rover is on mars. And all your hours of calculations dont prove anything either. If you were really legit you wouldnt care about convincing some people who dont believe you. Actually it proves they sent something to Mars. Those numbers come from observational data, I didn't just pull them out of my ass like you did with that post of yours just now. I don't care about convincing you, I want to make you look stupid. I don't want you to believe me, actually. I actually want you to disbelieve me so that you will make yourself look ridiculous when a rational person sees the mountain of evidence I've generated versus the unsupported claims that you offer in response. Your argument from "nuh-uh" gets you nowhere with reasonable people. You're not a reasonable person though, and I have no interest in convincing you. I derive great joy and gathering this mountain of evidence that backs up everything NASA has said so that I can cram it down your throat. If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80071590 United States 02/20/2021 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72534364 If you really didnt care you wouldn't respond with a text wall. You Cant Prove Shit Cry More No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. You're right, no one can. But thats not how science works at all. Every piece of data is critically analyzed and if shown to be in doubt for any reason must be disregarded. Dismissing it because you claim it could have been easily faked is not critical analysis. You have failed to support your claim that it is easily faked. So let me get this straight, it is your contention that it could not have been easily faked? One thing NASA seems to overlook is there is no "taking your word for it" involved in science, no argumentum ab auctoritate, and that goes for you too. Unless someone else independently confirmed your claims thats all they are. Show me where someone did. Show us all that. I am sure everyone here is aware it is easily possible to use CGI to create far more complex deceptions than your video "proof", most children these days can do it, and plotting a trajectory to Mars is childs play with modern computers and an internet full of information at your fingertips. All I am saying is your so called evidence is not proof of an actual successful landing of a probe on Mars, and you know that, if anything it is highly suspect given your participation as a moderator on a conspiracy forum, which IMO is itself highly suspect. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80071590 United States 02/20/2021 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one question Astro has never answered is [what the hell is a person who defends and SHILLS for NASA doing moderating a forum full of conspiracy theorists and realists, most of whom distrust the government?] Seems like an unusual arrangement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80069192 Already answered multiple times. Stop lying. I missed it , can you say it again? You said real astronomy forums wont let you post your information, you never explained why a person who defends NASA and the government is moderating a conspiracy oriented forum. You know what, I bet you can't. |
Bog Babe
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80071590 United States 02/20/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I don't care what you "doubt," I know for a fact I'm not permitted to discuss my software on multiple other forums. It has nothing to do with me personally. If the discussion is "how much a mod is a shill" then yeah, you're generally going to get banned on just about any forum for that. And usually it's not even me doing the banning when I get called out. The fact remains that you, a government employee of an agency and government known for its perpetual stream of lies, are a moderator on a conspiracy forum. There are plenty of forums to present your software and views, this forum is a horrible choice for it, so it can be deduced that it is not your choice. The fact is that I'm not allowed to post my software on most astronomy forums. I have been asked not to or outright censored for trying to do so. You do not get to dictate to me where I should or should not post my software, and you sure as hell are in no position to tell me that I haven't experienced what I have experienced elsewhere. I'm not dictating anything. Just putting the glaring pieces together, it's what we do on a conspiracy forum. What I know is this, multibillion dollar globalist corporations are making a lot of coin off of these "missions" and that creates a strong motive to deceive the people who pay for it. My contention is (and it is a powerful one) that taxpayer money should not be spent on TOTALLY USELESS space missions when a full one third of our children in our own country went to bed hungry last night, and we are facing unprecedented problems and extreme deficit spending. People like Astro are PAID to justify it and give it legitimacy, and just like so many said back during the Apollo years, spending this kind of money needs a powerful incentive, especially when times are hard. And dont give me that "alot of technology was developed during the space race", we could have developed a lot more if we hadn't wasted billions on useless endeavors with zero profit for THE PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR IT. What did I get out of it? |
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Bog Babe
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80071590 United States 02/20/2021 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The US Government spending money on a mission to Mars during these times is no different than an unemployed father spending money on crack. The only one who profits is the dealer. We knew Mars was devoid of anything that could benefit us in the near term where we need it most at least 40 years ago. I am against taxpayer funded space exploration for the simple reason the people (mainly globalist contractors) who benefit the most from of it are not those who pay for it. It's just a money hoover where politicians are paid to throw money at multi billion dollar corporations. |
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Bog Babe
User ID: 66794842 United States 02/20/2021 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're a nasty SOB - is that how you feed starving children? Still calling Astro for info on the sound!! Thanks! Last Edited by Bog Babe on 02/20/2021 03:46 PM |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/20/2021 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: KIT 76127092 No the truth of the matter is. You cant maffs, so you cant analyze astromutts proofs. You cant disprove any of his observations and actual work. You're right, no one can. But thats not how science works at all. Every piece of data is critically analyzed and if shown to be in doubt for any reason must be disregarded. Dismissing it because you claim it could have been easily faked is not critical analysis. You have failed to support your claim that it is easily faked. So let me get this straight, it is your contention that it could not have been easily faked? One thing NASA seems to overlook is there is no "taking your word for it" involved in science, no argumentum ab auctoritate, and that goes for you too. Not up to me to prove a negative. I provided the raw data. You still have not shown any evidence that my hundreds of megabytes of raw, uncompressed high bit depth files with metadata, whose acquisition was live streamed, could easily be faked. You have until the end of tomorrow to produce your evidence. Tick tock. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/20/2021 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one question Astro has never answered is [what the hell is a person who defends and SHILLS for NASA doing moderating a forum full of conspiracy theorists and realists, most of whom distrust the government?] Seems like an unusual arrangement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80069192 Already answered multiple times. Stop lying. I missed it , can you say it again? You said real astronomy forums wont let you post your information, you never explained why a person who defends NASA and the government is moderating a conspiracy oriented forum. You know what, I bet you can't. You don't ask to become a mod here, the mod position finds you. I'm a fair and unbiased moderator. I'm here because I'm free to speak here and share my software here, I'm not given that latitude on astronomy forums. I already explained that and you admit you knew that. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/20/2021 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro! I had to skip ahead because of all the stupidity... Quoting: Bog Babe But what do you think about the "sound" of Mars? I heard it last night - what is it?! I don't think they've released any audio from perseverance on Mars yet? Just audio from the interplanetary cruise. [link to mars.nasa.gov (secure)] Last Edited by Astromut on 02/20/2021 04:15 PM |