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Unfortunately it’s a disaster. It’s okay. Until it’s not.

These types of situations suck eggs.
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Respectfully, while you make valid points about MAD, that doctrine only works as long as everyone with the capability believes in the inevitability of the first letter of that acronym: "mutual." If one country with a nuclear arsenal begins to believe they can use their nukes to completely destroy the other side while sustaining "acceptable losses" themselves, then the nuclear deterrent goes out the window. Add the specter of nuclear terrorism where MAD doesn't factor into the equation at all and it starts to get a little frightening.

Then we have the sword of accidental nuclear war constantly hanging over our heads, and the thread holding it is 70 years old. We've had dozens of close calls where we've almost blown up the world and only survived to tell about it through sheer luck. That luck will eventually run out.

Finally, the number of people that have actually witnessed for themselves the destructive horror of a nuclear detonation is slowly fading. That makes those toys more enticing to a newer generation of morons who think they can be used without consequence.

I personally think the possibility of a nuclear war is higher now than it has been since the 1980s. It has nothing to do with the specific current situation in Ukraine, but a more general theory of the longer we go without a nuclear weapon being used and the more countries that obtain them, the higher the odds of one eventually being used.

Mi dos pesos.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


The MAD policy has one serious flaw, which is just becoming apparent.It is based on the assumption that world leaders are sane and rational.This does not seem to apply in all cases.
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There is one other thing that makes me feel better. The military leaders and senior bureaucrats are not suicidal either.

Even if we had a Prez with dementia and he decided to launch, the military brass would not carry out the order.

I'm pretty sure there are sane leaders on the Russki and Chicom side as well.

I know that if a general went nuts and tried to nuke the other side without being attacked first, he would get fragged.

Ref terrorism, that is always a real concern. In fact, I am surprised it never happened before.

BTW, closest we ever came was in 1982 per the briefings I got. Andropov actually wanted to launch a first strike because he was sure that Reagan was going to nuke the USSR.

I related before how I spoke with a retired CIA agent who was recalled to duty on that occasion.

Reagan found out (thankfully, the CIA did their damn job for once) and sent a stern letter to the Politburo saying we would never surrender. Reagan said if they attacked, we would retaliate until there were no more Russians to kill.

The Politburo voted Andropov down on that idea.

At this time, no one is being invaded nor is the existence of any country threatened....except for Israel. The Iranians regularly threaten, but even the fanatics are rational enough to know what that would bring.

Nuke war over Ukraine? I doubt it. There may be chest beating, but conventional arms are sufficient for that conflict even if Putin tries to take the whole banana.
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At the risk of opening myself to a bit of flaming I'd like to add a "joker" to the deck related to age.

Once upon a time, a long, long time ago we were all taught that there were these pesky things called facts. Facts were data points that, for the most part, we agreed helped us decide what reality was. We didn't always agree on interpretation but, in the final analysis, we worked our way back to the facts of a matter.

Somewhere along the line that changed.

More and more, and we see it here as well, there's been a subtle mutation which now suggests we must "respect and honor" what people think and how they feel. While from the standpoint of emotional intelligence that has some value, there as many instances where what someone "thinks and feels", to the extent it runs counter to the facts, is at best useless and at worst very, very dangerous.

The most obvious examples can be seen in what passes for the thought processes of some of our more clown car eligible politicians.

They either believe or pretend to believe that whatever they "think" somehow magically becomes reality. And if they write it or broadcast it, "voila", that thought or emotion now becomes a "fact".

It's one thing when an eight year old engages in this sort of magical transformation, it's quite another when it's done by people who are, at least chronologically, considered to be adults.

In my best Rod Serling voice...: "Consider if you will the following scenario. A group of "leaders" are engaged in a battle of opinions, separated from reality, about what to do about a foreign countries actions toward a putative ally..."
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Larry, you make a valid point, and it's allowed me to rethink some phrasing I occasionally use. When I say "respect another person's opinion," I don't mean that if they are spouting bullshit they should be given a pass. I'm more referring to the debate process. Yelling and screaming at them that they are idiots, libtards, Nazis, fascists, morons, {insert a multitude of other insults here}, will accomplish nothing and they will simply dig in their heels further and stop listening to you. However, listening to their opinion, no matter how ridiculous, and then gently nudging them towards reality with, "Okay, I heard that as well, but I looked into it deeper and this is what I found..." is a much more effective method, in my opinion.

Trust me, I'm much better at explaining it than doing it, but it's how I try to act as best I can. Sometimes I fail at it.
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Pass
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Gotta be a word. Sorry that I was away. Chores got behind this week.
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Can I get a pass on this month? I ain’t feel so swift about it.
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i was in the woods when covid found me
thought the rabbit was dead so dug a hole for the
he jumped up on and bit me on the cheek
now i am a vegetarian and can't eat meat.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Hey if the South Africa variant is so scary, why are they doing better than pretty much any US state or European nation?

hmm
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Because it an ass backwards country and you know damn well that most countries in that continent lack the ability to truly track this China Asshole Virus.
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Why are their cases lower than at any point since last May?
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Lack of travel....mass transit.... too poor to test.... natural wave progression.....

Take your pick.

But whatever helps you keep going.... the ebbs and flows will be nice until they aren’t. When that happens depends on the country and it’s people.

But a plateau of anything AINT nothing to be excited about.
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Hidden Toll of COVID in Africa Threatens Global Pandemic Progress.... [link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]
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Likely banned word.
Always copy a post before clicking “post”

If it fails to show up

Post the word test
And then edit it by pasting what you were going to say

Usually that works works with the banned word showing up as NOPE or some such phrase as appealed to the mod or whoever decides what’s a naughty word, lol...

This isn’t an endorsement, just a comment/looking for feedback
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Test, test, test.
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Pass
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Can I get a pass on this month? I ain’t feel so swift about it.
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TS Eliot
“April is the cruelest month....”

Sadly...sigh...

I don’t have good vibes about the second half of the month...
Life finds a way.
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The MAD policy has one serious flaw, which is just becoming apparent.It is based on the assumption that world leaders are sane and rational.This does not seem to apply in all cases.
 Quoting: Leaver


There is one other thing that makes me feel better. The military leaders and senior bureaucrats are not suicidal either.

Even if we had a Prez with dementia and he decided to launch, the military brass would not carry out the order.

I'm pretty sure there are sane leaders on the Russki and Chicom side as well.

I know that if a general went nuts and tried to nuke the other side without being attacked first, he would get fragged.

Ref terrorism, that is always a real concern. In fact, I am surprised it never happened before.

BTW, closest we ever came was in 1982 per the briefings I got. Andropov actually wanted to launch a first strike because he was sure that Reagan was going to nuke the USSR.

I related before how I spoke with a retired CIA agent who was recalled to duty on that occasion.

Reagan found out (thankfully, the CIA did their damn job for once) and sent a stern letter to the Politburo saying we would never surrender. Reagan said if they attacked, we would retaliate until there were no more Russians to kill.

The Politburo voted Andropov down on that idea.

At this time, no one is being invaded nor is the existence of any country threatened....except for Israel. The Iranians regularly threaten, but even the fanatics are rational enough to know what that would bring.

Nuke war over Ukraine? I doubt it. There may be chest beating, but conventional arms are sufficient for that conflict even if Putin tries to take the whole banana.
 Quoting: darth



At the risk of opening myself to a bit of flaming I'd like to add a "joker" to the deck related to age.

Once upon a time, a long, long time ago we were all taught that there were these pesky things called facts. Facts were data points that, for the most part, we agreed helped us decide what reality was. We didn't always agree on interpretation but, in the final analysis, we worked our way back to the facts of a matter.

Somewhere along the line that changed.

More and more, and we see it here as well, there's been a subtle mutation which now suggests we must "respect and honor" what people think and how they feel. While from the standpoint of emotional intelligence that has some value, there as many instances where what someone "thinks and feels", to the extent it runs counter to the facts, is at best useless and at worst very, very dangerous.

The most obvious examples can be seen in what passes for the thought processes of some of our more clown car eligible politicians.

They either believe or pretend to believe that whatever they "think" somehow magically becomes reality. And if they write it or broadcast it, "voila", that thought or emotion now becomes a "fact".

It's one thing when an eight year old engages in this sort of magical transformation, it's quite another when it's done by people who are, at least chronologically, considered to be adults.

In my best Rod Serling voice...: "Consider if you will the following scenario. A group of "leaders" are engaged in a battle of opinions, separated from reality, about what to do about a foreign countries actions toward a putative ally..."
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Larry, you make a valid point, and it's allowed me to rethink some phrasing I occasionally use. When I say "respect another person's opinion," I don't mean that if they are spouting bullshit they should be given a pass. I'm more referring to the debate process. Yelling and screaming at them that they are idiots, libtards, Nazis, fascists, morons, {insert a multitude of other insults here}, will accomplish nothing and they will simply dig in their heels further and stop listening to you. However, listening to their opinion, no matter how ridiculous, and then gently nudging them towards reality with, "Okay, I heard that as well, but I looked into it deeper and this is what I found..." is a much more effective method, in my opinion.

Trust me, I'm much better at explaining it than doing it, but it's how I try to act as best I can. Sometimes I fail at it.
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THINK...think! Spot! Think!

Think! Think Sally! Think!

Does ANYONE on God's green earth believe that a country
like N. Korea--who is also reporting the Covid-19 scenario
--would ALIGN with countries like Italy, Spain, INdia,
The U.S. and other Alied nations to PULL A SCAM ON THE
WORLD?

This is from a THIRD PARTY that GLP "conspiracy analysts"
have really skipped over (not sure why...would have been
the FIRST "candidate" back in the Kent Steadman's day!)

Third PARTY IS DOING IT ALL...

E.T.s guys...You are missing it. And they are at
it again with "YOU GUYS FIGHT NOW!" by having us
point fingers to any other HUMAN NATION.

Nobody wants to target a REAL possible 3rd party source.
(Even as ENTERTAINMENT...I am amazed it hasn't already
been suggested as the real attackers.)

I suggest everyone watch J.J.Abram's terrific T.V. series
"Fringe." (It will make your hair stand on end!)

cheers
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Oooo. I love Fringe. OC... did you see Manifest and Debris?

Bastetcat..... the whole month feels ick. I am seeing social circles get sick and more think they have allergies than have ever had allergies before. It’s weird.
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I give up!

Have tried to post the same stuff with modifications SIX times.

I will try a PM now.
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P1 outbreak in vancouver canucks nhl team, they said some of them have it so bad they cant get out of bed.
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Yikes!
And, Happy Easter Everyone!
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Was just going to post this.
Crazy train.
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Israel COVID update: Daily caseload falls below 200

- New cases: 177
- Positivity rate: 1.1% (-0.2)
- In hospital: 513 (-3)
- In ICU: 197 (-)
- New deaths: 7

Population vaccinated:
- 1st dose: 56.65% (+0.12)
- 2nd dose: 52.02% (+0.24)

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Was just going to post this.
Crazy train.
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Mumbai lockdown

New Coronavirus Cases Put Mumbai in Lockdown

India’s health ministry said Sunday that it recorded 93,249 new coronavirus cases in the previous 24-hour period, the highest daily tally this year in the South Asian nation.

Mumbai, India’s financial capital and the capital of Maharashtra state, is now under stringent lockdown measures. Half of the country’s new cases of the virus have been recorded in that state

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Not sure who said this as the quotes are messed up but I would appreciate an elaboration... "The major threat to the USA is from internal takeover."
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Lago, the reply was from me ref Ukraine.

Ref the "major threat", let me tell you what I personally experienced.

Back in 1984 I was an aerospace engineer working on Star Wars projects. The Air Force Association asked me if I would debate a college professor at Whittier College. I accepted.

My opponent, a Dr. Dillman, IIRC, of UC Riverside, made some outlandish claims during our debate. I was certain that he could not possibly believe what he had claimed.

Afterwards, I went over, shook his hand, and asked him, "So, you understand that the stated reason for the SDI program is to stop nuclear weapons from hitting the USA, right?"

He said yes.

I continued, "If there is a nuclear war with the USSR, do you want their nuclear weapons to hit our cities?"

He said emphatically, "YES!"

I was flabbergasted, "So, if there is a war, you want the USSR to win?"

He again replied loudly, "YES!"

I did not understand. I asked why.

He looked at me like I was stupid and yelled, "BECAUSE I AM A COMMUNIST!"

Lago, we have millions of people in the USA who HATE us and want the downfall of our country. That is what I am referring to.
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I understand the words, perhaps I am naive. If you are living in this country, why would you want its destruction? Also, the way it destructs may well cause your, and everybody you hold dear, their death?

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I give up!

Have tried to post the same stuff with modifications SIX times.

I will try a PM now.
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Got involved reading that John Hopkins pdf and all the Ukraine stuff--so just saw your post I quoted--


Really interested in what you were trying to post...

Idk who you were PM'ing--thinking it would be CC...

Just thought of this---

take a screenshot of your post and upload it to imgur.
copy/paste the imgur link--and to embed it here make the link the meat in the sandwich, ie, from the top row on the reply page click
(imgur) copy/paste imgur link (imgur)

I think that is the easier way around it...

If you want, pm me the post and I will do it...

As my signature line says..........
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Lago, the reply was from me ref Ukraine.

Ref the "major threat", let me tell you what I personally experienced.

Back in 1984 I was an aerospace engineer working on Star Wars projects. The Air Force Association asked me if I would debate a college professor at Whittier College. I accepted.

My opponent, a Dr. Dillman, IIRC, of UC Riverside, made some outlandish claims during our debate. I was certain that he could not possibly believe what he had claimed.

Afterwards, I went over, shook his hand, and asked him, "So, you understand that the stated reason for the SDI program is to stop nuclear weapons from hitting the USA, right?"

He said yes.

I continued, "If there is a nuclear war with the USSR, do you want their nuclear weapons to hit our cities?"

He said emphatically, "YES!"

I was flabbergasted, "So, if there is a war, you want the USSR to win?"

He again replied loudly, "YES!"

I did not understand. I asked why.

He looked at me like I was stupid and yelled, "BECAUSE I AM A COMMUNIST!"

Lago, we have millions of people in the USA who HATE us and want the downfall of our country. That is what I am referring to.
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I understand the words, perhaps I am naive. If you are living in this country, why would you want its destruction? Also, the way it destructs may well cause your, and everybody you hold dear, their death? Maybe they are naive?
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Not naive...fanatics who say "By any means necessary".

They are ideological cousins to Mao, Pol Pot, and the Cultural Revolution.
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Israel COVID update: Daily caseload falls below 200

- New cases: 177
- Positivity rate: 1.1% (-0.2)
- In hospital: 513 (-3)
- In ICU: 197 (-)
- New deaths: 7

Population vaccinated:
- 1st dose: 56.65% (+0.12)
- 2nd dose: 52.02% (+0.24)

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Are they fully open now
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I really don't know what is going on in my city, but it is getting out of control. There is a tension and aggression in the air. This is just a part of things falling apart. Not Covid-related necessarily, but a crossroads of systemic societal problems. Maybe...I don't need to explain to y'all that have been on COG Watch for the past year. Because my house is a LEO household, the phone is ringing off the hook nowadays. But here is a rundown of today's Memphis violence news:

Memphis, Tenn. — Memphis Police have identified the man they said is responsible for a shooting that left a 4-year-old boy dead Saturday night.

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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WMC) -A woman is critically wounded after a shooting in Midtown on Saturday afternoon, according to Memphis Police.

Police said the shooting happened in the 1000 block of Rayner street.


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SHELBY COUNTY, Tenn. — Shelby County deputies are investigating a shooting incident where shots were fired at a FedEx driver in Shelby County on Easter Sunday.
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MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Police responded to a shooting overnight outside a hotel in Downtown Memphis.

It happened at the Hyatt Centric hotel near the corner of Beale and Front Street.


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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WMC) - Memphis Police are responding to a shooting at a Burger King in East Memphis.

According to Memphis Police, a woman who was upset about the long wait time at the drive-thru window fired shots.

[link to www.wmcactionnews5.com (secure)]

I stopped here only because I got tired of copy/pasting. If you browse the headlines from the homepages of the big 3 news stations here, you will see just how bad it has become in Memphis.

Covid cases are being reported but not promoted. Those stories are waaay at the bottom of the sites.

SCHD reports 200 new cases with a 10% positivity rate. In a ZOOM call with local business owners, someone said this (and I believe it 100% as I am on the ground here):

"The pandemic is over. When the next surge hits, there will not be any new guidelines. If the Health Department calls for restrictions, no one will enforce t GE guidelines. They've been told."
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EG.... every large city is at this fucking boiling going on..... It’s gotta suck being so far in the middle of it. I can understand the feelings of hopelessness from those phone calls nonstop.

Wait until the service disruptions get bigger? Or the damn virus ragers with summer heat..... Minked.

They are already trying crowd control measures in Des Moines....

Less than 50%

"These two blocks, our officers have observed folks congregating there and that's sort of a hub of some of the unsafe and disruptive activity," Mandelbaum said. "So we're going to close off that area for parking on the weekends and use that as a tool to help get the situation under control."

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The rage isn’t just one place.....

Evidence suggests Ethiopian military carried out massacre in Tigray

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The rage isn’t just one place.....

Evidence suggests Ethiopian military carried out massacre in Tigray

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So many factors at play in all of this.
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April 10th, 2020, United States had 33,473 new infections.
April 2, 2021, United States had 69,152 new infections.

12x air travel with 2x as many infections.

US Airports Busiest In More Than Year On Good Friday

Friday's throughput was a 12x increase from the same time last year when the country was in lockdowns and air travel crashed.

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April 10th, 2020, United States had 33,473 new infections.
April 2, 2021, United States had 69,152 new infections.

12x air travel with 2x as many infections.

US Airports Busiest In More Than Year On Good Friday

Friday's throughput was a 12x increase from the same time last year when the country was in lockdowns and air travel crashed.

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Re: Sars Cov 2 … the grinder continues to eat away at resources and humanity.
April 10th, 2020, United States had 33,473 new infections.
April 2, 2021, United States had 69,152 new infections.

12x air travel with 2x as many infections.

US Airports Busiest In More Than Year On Good Friday

Friday's throughput was a 12x increase from the same time last year when the country was in lockdowns and air travel crashed.

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In reality back in April 2020 given the amount of deaths, the case load was likely the same as now or even a bit higher.

We weren't testing nearly as much, at the time it was reserved for hospitalized people not asymptomatic that make up a huge percentage if not a majority of the infected.





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